15levels Posted July 16, 2006 Author Report Share Posted July 16, 2006 15levels - South Beirut is a ghost down. There are neither civilians there nor rocket launchers. They didnt say it was used to launch rockets from Beirut. They said they hit the logistic infrastructure, the coordinating centers or whatever. Something was being said about a certain neighborhood in Beirut which is a stronghold of Hizballah and that it was targeted. I dont imagine Hizballah burning 3 Israeli tanks and none of that being reported in Israel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
15levels Posted July 16, 2006 Author Report Share Posted July 16, 2006 (edited) Well you are shifting the debate. Your argument was about the subjective reporting of Robert Fisk. Robert Fisk also reported on the massacres that the Lebanese committed. So what is your point? HezbAllah is not a terror entity any more than Israel is a terrorist state. My point is that whoever you are this conflict forces you to take a side. As for the terrorism, state or private, there is nothign to be said, both sides are guilty, both have disregard for civilians when it comes to hunting down the enemies. I dont need to go back to "the chicken and the egg" argument because its pointless, but this conflict began with kidnapping of 2 solders, Nasrallah is not an idiot, he knew well once he does that, Israel will come after him. Now he wants Israel to occupy South Lebanon once again, clever as he is, I doubt it will happen. Interesting, I just thought of that ugly incident with Zidane during the final. The italian called him "a son of the terrorist whore" and got what he wanted, Zidane lost his temper. So who's side are you on? If you fancy the French then Zidane simply responded to provocation. If you fancy the Italians he is nothing else but a brute. Catch my drift? Edited July 16, 2006 by 15levels Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
15levels Posted July 16, 2006 Author Report Share Posted July 16, 2006 Actually, not true. We watched on TV as ANB correspondent in Israel pointed to Israeli tanks at Zarit moving towards the Lebanese border for a "limited" operation. A civilian cement factory in Chtoura was just hit. Beirut Airport also hit again. It makes no sense, Sassun. Israelies would not send ground forces across the border before making sure the mine fields are cleared. They already lost a tank and 4 man because they ventured 1 km into the Lebanon without taking precautions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sassun Posted July 16, 2006 Report Share Posted July 16, 2006 (edited) 15levels - Power just went off so I will reply tomorrow morning. Nazareth, Afula hit. Up next: Hadera? Edited July 16, 2006 by Sassun Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sassun Posted July 16, 2006 Report Share Posted July 16, 2006 It makes no sense, Sassun. Israelies would not send ground forces across the border before making sure the mine fields are cleared. They already lost a tank and 4 man because they ventured 1 km into the Lebanon without taking precautions. Well actually it DOES make sense, considering how Israel cannot get over its ego and keeps making mistake after mistake after mistake. With every mistake it's deepening the hole it dug. No, nothing surprising there. Yes the Israelis have been doing lots of stupid things. Including messing with those who - for the first time in their history - managed to kick their asses. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Verginne Posted July 16, 2006 Report Share Posted July 16, 2006 It makes no sense, Sassun. Israelies would not send ground forces across the border before making sure the mine fields are cleared. They already lost a tank and 4 man because they ventured 1 km into the Lebanon without taking precautions. Since when did anything israel does ever make any sense? Starting this suicidal war made no sense, just like they keep pushing and pushing and never know when to stop makes no sense. They don't care about people, it's just something extra for them to cry and whine about. A bonus. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sassun Posted July 16, 2006 Report Share Posted July 16, 2006 My point is that whoever you are this conflict forces you to take a side. As for the terrorism, state or private, there is nothign to be said, both sides are guilty, both have disregard for civilians when it comes to hunting down the enemies. I dont need to go back to "the chicken and the egg" argument because its pointless, but this conflict began with kidnapping of 2 solders, Nasrallah is not an idiot, he knew well once he does that, Israel will come after him. Now he wants Israel to occupy South Lebanon once again, clever as he is, I doubt it will happen. Interesting, I just thought of that ugly incident with Zidane during the final. The italian called him "a son of the terrorist whore" and got what he wanted, Zidane lost his temper. So who's side are you on? If you fancy the French then Zidane simply responded to provocation. If you fancy the Italians he is nothing else but a brute. Catch my drift? No I do not catch your drift. Nasrallah asked for a fair fight. Quit hiding behind your fighter jets, he said. Fight like a man, fight on the ground. What - you are scared? A "terrorist" asking for a fair fight, and the world's most moral army is refusing it. Who's the terrorist, then? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
15levels Posted July 16, 2006 Author Report Share Posted July 16, 2006 15levels - Power just went off so I will reply tomorrow morning. Nazareth, Afula hit. Up next: Hadera? I hope the Armenian church in Nazareth is not hit. Nasrallah would surely please his muslim brothers if Hizballah blows up the Church of the Annunciation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
15levels Posted July 16, 2006 Author Report Share Posted July 16, 2006 No I do not catch your drift. Nasrallah asked for a fair fight. Quit hiding behind your fighter jets, he said. Fight like a man, fight on the ground. What - you are scared? A "terrorist" asking for a fair fight, and the world's most moral army is refusing it. Who's the terrorist, then? Well, I guess the Middle Ages horsmen fights are over. Kidnapping solders is not a gentleman act, eh? He is playing you fine and you make him a hero. Look around, Sassun, Beirut would be just fine if the "hero" would go start a war elsewhere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sassun Posted July 16, 2006 Report Share Posted July 16, 2006 I hope the Armenian church in Nazareth is not hit. Nasrallah would surely please his muslim brothers if Hizballah blows up the Church of the Annunciation. Ok, now you're opening an entire new "front" (can't avoid military words these days..).... you are trying to get people to sympathize with the Israelis just because - hypothetically - Nasrallah might hit the churches, and that would please the Muslims. With all due respect, we're talking about human beings here, I think human beings are more important than pieces of stone however historical they may be. We're talking about Israel massacring 20 civilians 2 hours ago. And you worry and argue about pieces of stone? I am not catching your drift at all. Must be that the bombs that your terrorist army is hurling left and right (the latest hit on a restaurant - maybe HezbAllah fighters had dined there today... hmm) have gotten to my head. Hopefully OUR bombs would not do the same to YOUR people's brains. Not that they have brains to begin with. If they had brains they would not have taken the fight all the way to the streets of - wait, let's see, shall we, hmm, Nahariya, Safed, Tiberias, Acre, Nazareth, Afula. Did I miss any big cities? Oh yeah, Hadera up next? Or maybe it will be a bigger step at once, to Netanya.. hmm. We shall see. Operation True Vow, it's called. At least we know how to name ours (Operation Just Reward?? ) "Nahnu zahibuna ila Haifa, wa ila ma ba'da Haifa, wa ila ma ba'da ba'da Haifa" - "We are going to Haifa, to beyond Haifa, and to beyond beyond Haifa" And good night. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sassun Posted July 16, 2006 Report Share Posted July 16, 2006 Shoot. I missed Haifa in that list. But don't worry, we will go back to it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hyethga Posted July 16, 2006 Report Share Posted July 16, 2006 Anyone else catch the irony of the Israeli ambassador to the UN stating that the attacks will be beneficial to Lebanon ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arpa Posted July 16, 2006 Report Share Posted July 16, 2006 I hope the Armenian church in Nazareth is not hit. Nasrallah would surely please his muslim brothers if Hizballah blows up the Church of the Annunciation. Sassun already addressed it. Ruben, that was cheap shot to give this whole saga a Christian-Moslem character. As if Isaelis give rat's arse to Christians and Christianity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Verginne Posted July 16, 2006 Report Share Posted July 16, 2006 Cut the crap------you CANNOT KIDNAP a soldier. Soldiers are "captured" and it's a normal part of war. Civilians, however, can be and are kidnapped by israel. You are certainly not going to find any normal people to sympathize with israel or are even temped to sympathize with those mad dogs. Any chance of that is long gone. You may have the media towing the line and getting zombies to regurgitate its nonsense but that is all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
15levels Posted July 16, 2006 Author Report Share Posted July 16, 2006 Sassun already addressed it. Ruben, that was cheap shot to give this whole saga a Christian-Moslem character. As if Isaelis give rat's arse to Christians and Christianity. Come on, boys, lets play nice. I have no intent to get personal. I am not trying to give any saga any character. Hizballah is hurling rockets wherever they can, the same as Israelies. I think we already established that fact. The problem is the Israeli bombs inflict much bigger damage. At this rate, until Hizballah runs out of ammunition, nothing will be left of poor Lebanon. I dont want that, do you? I have friends living in Beirut, I am worried for them just as much, but I am also worried for my friends living in Nazareth. The question is this: where do we go from here? Lets see what Israel will not compromise on: Hizballah must get out of South Lebanon, Lebanon must take control of its borders. Two countries sign a peace deal, Lebanese prisoners are released and this is done with. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Verginne Posted July 16, 2006 Report Share Posted July 16, 2006 15levels - Power just went off so I will reply tomorrow morning. Nazareth, Afula hit. Up next: Hadera? We can't lose these reports of yours. During Hurricane Katrina, there were areas that had no power for several weeks. I know of someone who managed to hook up his computer to a car battery. See if there isn't some sort of alternative power source so you can keep reporting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Verginne Posted July 16, 2006 Report Share Posted July 16, 2006 Ok, now you're opening an entire new "front" (can't avoid military words these days..).... you are trying to get people to sympathize with the Israelis just because - hypothetically - Nasrallah might hit the churches, and that would please the Muslims. With all due respect, we're talking about human beings here, I think human beings are more important than pieces of stone however historical they may be. We're talking about Israel massacring 20 civilians 2 hours ago. And you worry and argue about pieces of stone? I am not catching your drift at all. Must be that the bombs that your terrorist army is hurling left and right (the latest hit on a restaurant - maybe HezbAllah fighters had dined there today... hmm) have gotten to my head. Hopefully OUR bombs would not do the same to YOUR people's brains. Not that they have brains to begin with. If they had brains they would not have taken the fight all the way to the streets of - wait, let's see, shall we, hmm, Nahariya, Safed, Tiberias, Acre, Nazareth, Afula. Did I miss any big cities? Oh yeah, Hadera up next? Or maybe it will be a bigger step at once, to Netanya.. hmm. We shall see. Operation True Vow, it's called. At least we know how to name ours (Operation Just Reward?? ) "Nahnu zahibuna ila Haifa, wa ila ma ba'da Haifa, wa ila ma ba'da ba'da Haifa" - "We are going to Haifa, to beyond Haifa, and to beyond beyond Haifa" And good night. Operation Collect Bad Karma..........israel and the chosen tribe have a bunch of it coming to them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sassun Posted July 16, 2006 Report Share Posted July 16, 2006 The question is this: where do we go from here? Indeed, where do we? Perhaps to Tel Aviv. That is, unless Israel stops messing with US LEBANESE. You had more than one chance to put an end to this. We offered unconditional ceasefire, deployment of army all the way to the border (UN SCR 1559), and negotiations on soldiers. Operation Just Reward has officially blown up in your face. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arpa Posted July 16, 2006 Report Share Posted July 16, 2006 What I personally can't wait for is all the new posts we are going to get in a few months about how the Israeli's, through strong jewish loby in the US, got Ahmadinejad elected in Iran so they would have a chance to level southern lebanon and stregthen their military grip over the region by getting rid of the local Hezoblla ... oh I can just see this coming Ha ha ha… You’re not kidding. I am still waiting for conspirationists to declare that those “kidnapped” soldiers, and rockets in Haifa were staged by you know who to create an excuse. BTW. I have not heard anyone speak about those "hostages" in the past two days. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
15levels Posted July 16, 2006 Author Report Share Posted July 16, 2006 Indeed, where do we? Perhaps to Tel Aviv. That is, unless Israel stops messing with US LEBANESE. You had more than one chance to put an end to this. We offered unconditional ceasefire, deployment of army all the way to the border (UN SCR 1559), and negotiations on soldiers. Operation Just Reward has officially blown up in your face. Thats funny. Last time it was Israelis entering Beirut if I recall properly. And about deployment of the army, where were you 6 years ago when that was really needed? And all of the sudden, virtually "no army in Lebanon" can be deployed? You cant offer unconditional ceasefire because you are not the one who is firing, its your friend Nasrallah who you cannot control. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sassun Posted July 16, 2006 Report Share Posted July 16, 2006 Yes, and being kicked out of it, with what, how many soldiers killed? Where we were 6 years ago is irrelevant. But if we are to use that logic, the same could be said for YOU. WHere were you when withdrawing from 1967 occupied lands was really needed? So if we deserve this now, you deserve the intifada. In case you did not notice, HezbAllah is part of the government and has ministers in it. Hence the government cannot take a stand without (at least tacit) approval from HezbAllah. And no, it is not funny. Not when civilians are being massacred. I didn't think I needed to tell you that... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted July 16, 2006 Report Share Posted July 16, 2006 As if Isaelis give rat's arse to Christians and Christianity. Yeah, we've all seen that treatment of Armenian Christian by conservative Jews. Here's an article in which the author establishes a link between the Armenian genocide and the current events in Lebanon: http://www.sundayherald.com/56824 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sassun Posted July 16, 2006 Report Share Posted July 16, 2006 Lebanese ARMY under heavy, heavy fire in Tripoli where HezbAllah doesn't even exist!!!!!! 7 soldiers killed, dozens injured!!!! 5-story building bombed, 10 civilians in it killed, 4 of them children!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sassun Posted July 16, 2006 Report Share Posted July 16, 2006 Just as hundreds of civilians are being massacred by illegal chemical weapons, this is what you can find on an Israeli news website: Veterinary Service: Owners should watch pets for stress after rocket attacks (Haaretz) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted July 17, 2006 Report Share Posted July 17, 2006 I think it's a way to taunt their opponents. They can't really be serious... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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