War In The Middle East

[15levels]

Its about time that moderator steps in. This thread became a place for so much hate that it sickens me to read it. In the beginning we had a decent argument, with me and Sasun reporting from both sides of the border, yes, we see things differently, but not once we hurled insults at one another. I pray he is well and no harm has come to him. As for people like Verginne and Iran Forever, if there are such things as incitement and blind hate - they are the champions.

 

ps. Edward, thank you for the kind words and the recognition of work I have done for the genocide recognition. The fight for it is far from over.

[Verginne]

Decency??? Please get a grip!

Your posts are consistently filled with accusations, disparaging remarks, insults, violence and hate. It's a FAR cry from decency.

 

You can't you and your ilk figure out that by propogating hatred, you will never accomplish your supposed 'goals'. Hatred begets hatred and inevitably hate is the problem. You are advocating means that are not only a divisive force amongts Armenians, but serve to further isolate us from the world's public opinion.

 

That is YOUR opinion and I have learned exactly what that's worth. I don't tell you how to go about your business, I expect the same in return. If you still think we're supposed to kiss the enemy, that's your problem.

 

World public opinion, in case you haven't noticed, is decidedly against war criminal israel. Now who is trying to leave Armenians out in the cold as far as world public opinion goes? How stupid would we look, especially now, trying to kiss up to war criminals?

[Arpa]

Dear Ruben,

You mean you did not vacate and move to Yerevan?

Could you please advise your compatriots to not pronounce it as KHzbobollah! How and where do they hear the KH? All foreign correspondents pronounce it with the H except you know khews. Do they have a problem with the letter H? Yes, we know the Russians have it, like when they pronounce Heidar as Geidar, Harry as Garry, Vahram as Bagram.

Must we all learn Khebrew to understand?

Shall we also start pronouncing KHaarets, KHaifa and Khava Nagila?

If they don't know, refuse to speak like the rest of us, should they not better shut up?

Please ask you rearless leader Ben NatanyaKHu if it is Hayastan or Khayastan, or in his own words (Hamas)KHamastan

Edited August 6, 2006 by Arpa

[15levels]

Dear Ruben,

You mean you did not vacate and move to Yerevan?

Could you please advise your compatriots to not pronounce it as KHzbobollah! How and where do they hear the KH? All foreign correspondents pronounce it with the H except you know khews. Do they have a problem with the letter H? Yes, we know the Russians have it, like when they pronounce Heidar as Geidar, Harry as Garry, Vahram as Bagram.

Must we all learn Khebrew to understand?

Shall we also start pronouncing KHaarets, KHaifa and Khava Nagila?

If they don't know, refuse to speak like the rest of us, should they not better shut up?

 

Dear Arpa,

 

The way they pronounce Hizballa is the last of my concerns but the matter of fact is that i hear people pronounce it with "H" and with "KH", i think its a matter of personal lexicon. Hebrew native speakers would have a visible accent in Armenian, as they cannot pronounce soft "R" that we have in Armenian. The rest is pretty much the same only Armenian is far richer by phonetics.. by the way, did you notice that some hebrew letters are similar to armenian, sometimes reversed in direction or up-side-down..

 

ps. as of vacating and moving to Yerevan, the time hasnt come for that just yet, but its in the plan. one thing for sure, it wont be as a result of arababons taking over cuz that aint gonna happen, i mean, ever. they better get used to it

[Arpa]

Dear Arpa,

 

The way they pronounce Hizballa is the last of my concerns but the matter of fact is that i hear people pronounce it with "H" and with "KH", i think its a matter of personal lexicon. Hebrew native speakers would have a visible accent in Armenian, as they cannot pronounce soft "R" that we have in Armenian. The rest is pretty much the same only Armenian is far richer by phonetics.. by the way, did you notice that some hebrew letters are similar to armenian, sometimes reversed in direction or up-side-down..

 

ps. as of vacating and moving to Yerevan, the time hasnt come for that just yet, but its in the plan. one thing for sure, it wont be as a result of arababons taking over cuz that aint gonna happen, i mean, ever. they better get used to it

Yeah right! As if they invented the AlKHabet

The R? Yeah right! As in "deghogh"!!

They should get with it and learn to pronounce 'terror", an invention of theirs'.

If they cannot pronounce the H then why do we have boks(not a typo) like Habakkuk, Hosea and Haggai in the OT. Or if they cannot pronounce the R then why are there the likes of Ghuth/Ruth, Esther/Esthegh, Ezra/Ezgha, to mention a few. Or why is their sacred book is called the Toghah/Torah? Not to mention that most ghidiculous of them all, the bokh of Gevelation. Of course, they would pronounce the Armenian version as KHaytnutyun

They deserve nothing more than they have been dishing out to the world all these years... RIDICULE.

Or shall I say-GHidicule?

Yes, yes. We know "Cohen?Kohanim" will always be CoHen, not KoKHen except in Grmeany when it becomes Koch/Kokh.

Is it time we learn our phonetics fro them just as we leraned our "ethics"and theology/yehovalogy/jewhovalogy?

Edited August 6, 2006 by Arpa

[skhara]

Dear Ruben,

You mean you did not vacate and move to Yerevan?

Could you please advise your compatriots to not pronounce it as KHzbobollah! How and where do they hear the KH? All foreign correspondents pronounce it with the H except you know khews. Do they have a problem with the letter H? Yes, we know the Russians have it, like when they pronounce Heidar as Geidar, Harry as Garry, Vahram as Bagram.

Must we all learn Khebrew to understand?

Shall we also start pronouncing KHaarets, KHaifa and Khava Nagila?

If they don't know, refuse to speak like the rest of us, should they not better shut up?

 

 

Vee are only hiting ze Khkhkhizbulah. Like the civilian vekhicles fleeing our bombing they are all ze khizbulah. At least could be. Vee kill anyway, just in case. Anyone alive -- all khkhkhkhizbullah!

 

Iran where did you learn this zhid stuff?

 

World public opinion, in case you haven't noticed, is decidedly against war criminal israel. Now who is trying to leave Armenians out in the cold as far as world public opinion goes? mad.gif How stupid would we look, especially now, trying to kiss up to war criminals?

 

I remember a while back I remember a discussion here, after which I really didn't feel like getting involved in those types any more. I said then, that they are setting themselves up for a fall. I wish for nothing more than for them to fall quitely, but I know that it will not be. Their fall will be massive crash and cause a gaping hole which will drag others who would never have deserved it, into that hole.

 

If I were in charge of say Russia right now, I'd put maximum effort into serious anti-Israeli intelligence to locate their sumarine fleet and take it out along with a surprise massive missle strike and sabotage inside Israel itself.

 

Israel is one nuclearly armed rouge state, that I believe would deploy such weapons.

 

Now please see this video:

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CVBIzu4YvnE

Edited August 6, 2006 by skhara

[15levels]

Yeah right! As if they invented the AlKHabet

The R? Yeah right! As in "deghogh"!!

They should get with it and learn to pronounce 'terror", an invention of theirs'.

If they cannot pronounce the H then why do we have boks(not a typo) like Habakkuk, Hosea and Haggai in the OT. Or if they cannot pronounce the R then why are there the likes of Ghuth/Ruth, Esther/Esthegh, Ezra/Ezgha, to mention a few. Or why is their sacred book is called the Toghah/Torah? Not to mention that most ghidiculous of them all, the bokh of Gevelation. Of course, they would pronounce the Armenian version as KHaytnutyun

They deserve nothing more than they have been dishing out to the world all these years... RIDICULE.

Or shall I say-GHidicule?

Yes, yes. We know "Cohen?Kohanim" will always be CoHen, not KoKHen except in Grmeany when it becomes Koch/Kokh.

Is it time we learn our phonetics fro them just as we leraned our "ethics"and theology/yehovalogy/jewhovalogy?

 

I thought you being serious. Whats the point in mocking, Arpa? Noone is perfect.

[15levels]

If I were in charge of say Russia right now..

 

Lucky for me and for every other decent, honest and peaceloving human (regarding of their etnicity) who live here - YOU ARE NOT.

[Arpa]

I thought you being serious. Whats the point in mocking, Arpa? Noone is perfect.

I am serious.

And if they are serious as well and intend to live in that neighborhood in peace they better learn to stop insulting everynody in sight and learn the lanuage of the region unless, of course they want the world to call their land IzGHayel and their neighbors call them YaKHudi. Despite the prevailing wisdom they did NOT create the world and teach the world how to speak.

Even Armenians are more respectful and mindful of their neoghbors.

How would we like if those officials and diplomays in Yerevan, every time they speak about their neighbors refer to them as Turkaka and Kakzerbaijan?

Btw. If the we were to call them KHrya it would sound like a taboo word in Arabic.

Once again, if they intend to live in those neighborhoods for a few more years they better learn to respect the culture of their neighbors, be it KHamas or KHzbollah.

Edited August 6, 2006 by Arpa

[15levels]

Once again, if they intend to live in those neighborhoods for a few more years they better learn to respect the culture of their neighbors, be it KHamas or KHzbollah.

 

can you respect a "culture" of your neighbors who's lifetime work is to distroy you? do we, as armenians, respect the "culture" of turks who only wait for another opportunity to finish what they are started in 1915? come on, arpa, its far more complicated than that. Hizballah and Hamas purpose is to kill as many Jews as possible, too bad for them they lack the firepower to do it, and if the situation was reversed, they would not hesitate for a minute.

 

once again, i stated before, and will say it again. occupation gives legitimacy to terror. israel doesnt occupy one inch of lebanese soil (leave sheeba farms out of it, its syrian territory), so there was no legitimacy of hizballah attack which distroyed lebanon as a result.

 

israel withdrew from gaza. tell me then, why do they keep firing rockets from there if they are such good neighboors?

[15levels]

Oh yea, and lets not forget our good neighboors Iranians, give them a nuke they want so much and see if the whole neighborhood wont go up in a big mushroom. Israel had good relationship with Iran before the Islamists took over. What reason they have to hate Israel now that they didnt have before? Oh yea, its their lunatic president and the mullahs who preach "death to infidels"... who else?

 

And in no way I want to overlook the greedy for oil American capitalism who'd start another war (they did that on so many occasions, didnt they?) so that they could have a cheap gasoline for their SUVs.

 

So yea, its not simple, but if you look into the root of the problem things clear up.

Edited August 6, 2006 by 15levels

[Arpa]

Did Armenians insult the Turk before ca. 1915 until which they were not only respectful but a much respected “Loyal Minority”. Speaking of “learning from history”, you take the words right out of my mouth. Is it not time that they who claim to have written that history/schmistory learn how history does indeed repeat itself. Do you have a copy of that “book”, that “book of hate“? Open it and read to see how full of hate it is, how they constantly insulted their neighbors with words like “gentile’, “infidel”, “goyim” and more…Do you realize that you are still a “goy/gentile” no matter how loyal a citizen you are?

Survey the map below and see ;

http://www.painsley.org.uk/RE/Atlas/otnation.gif

How, after insulting all those neighbors, day after day, year after year, and when the Romans, their only shield against their immediate neighbors decided to withdraw they had no choice but accompany them lest those “neighbors” show how much love they had towards them. And, the rest is “history/chemistry” until the world heard about them again from those hot places of Auschwitz.

Can they learn to live in peace with their neighbors or do they wish once again end up in the Inquisition courts in Spain?

How they expect to live in “peace” in that neighborhood after committing so much atrocity, bloodshed and, yes, genocide.

Speakin of insults. How, after sixty years of hearing such terms of "camel jockeys" and worse, those heirs of such "prophets" like Eisntein could not fathom that those "camel jockeys" would have and know how to use rockets that could reach Haifa and even TelAviv. Have they outlived their welcome in the neighborhood?

PS. As to Iranians. I think I posted a map of the Persian Empire. The world may have a short memory. How they forget that Persia, at severl occasions had an empire covering all the way to TelAviv. Now, show us a map where it shows Moshe's empire approaching Tehran.

Please, before you judge this post as anti-Semitic consider the fact that Israelis may yet be the most anti-Semites, as most of their neighbors claim to be Semites, whatever the f*** that may mean, themselves, in their own right.

Edited August 6, 2006 by Arpa

[15levels]

.. oh yea, you forgot to mention, they also killed Jesus! Come on, Arpa, when some of the things you say are true, there is no need to go back thousands of years to see that hate breeds hate. All the people I know personally, yes ALL of them, Israelis, living in Israel, never reffered to Arabs as dogs or camel jockeys. They are secular, progressive and tolerant people who want to end the occupation and reach a new reality with Arabs. There are bigots and sadists everywhere, here including. Its a tough place to live, Middle East. Arabs have their own history of massacre and betrayal, for Xst sake, who doesnt? So let us not preach to anyone what laws they choose to live by. Instead, realize that in the time and place we live in, unless you got really powerful friends or really powerful weapons, you wont last a minute.

 

ps. As of Moshe empire or Persian Empire, this is not a history lesson being replayed to you in real-time. Its a fanatic regime who wants to go nuclear. Now, they must be seem loyal to you now, but beware, once they get the upper hand, you'll see they care nothing for the liberties you and I take for granted.

Edited August 6, 2006 by 15levels

[15levels]

.. and by the way, when I say you need powerful friends or powerful weapons in this corner of the world to survive - its been like this forever here. Stop living in a fantasy world, this is not a neighborhood of Amsterdam. When someone says he wants to wipe you from the map, you got to take it seriously, especially when you realize he is very close to aquiring the means to do it.

[Verginne]

.. Its a tough place to live, Middle East. Arabs have their own history of massacre and betrayal, for Xst sake, who doesnt? [/b]

 

 

DUH, Armenians.

 

 

Yes, do tell us about the wonderful, tolerant people who spit at the cross and Christians and deface the AG posters. And the ones who drop bombs on babies and little kids. Pfffffffttttttttt.

[Verginne]

 

Vee are only hiting ze Khkhkhizbulah. Like the civilian vekhicles fleeing our bombing they are all ze khizbulah. At least could be. Vee kill anyway, just in case. Anyone alive -- all khkhkhkhizbullah!

 

Iran where did you learn this zhid stuff?

I remember a while back I remember a discussion here, after which I really didn't feel like getting involved in those types any more. I said then, that they are setting themselves up for a fall. I wish for nothing more than for them to fall quitely, but I know that it will not be. Their fall will be massive crash and cause a gaping hole which will drag others who would never have deserved it, into that hole.

 

If I were in charge of say Russia right now, I'd put maximum effort into serious anti-Israeli intelligence to locate their sumarine fleet and take it out along with a surprise massive missle strike and sabotage inside Israel itself.

 

Israel is one nuclearly armed rouge state, that I believe would deploy such weapons.

 

Now please see this video:

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CVBIzu4YvnE

 

 

I nominate you for next President of Russia.

 

You have that right. israel has threatened to nuke ALL of the capitals of Europe. I have been told by a former IDF man that they have this Masada complex, meaning they intend to take everyone down with them.

 

But you are right, israel is a TERRORIST STATE and israel MUST BE DISARMED AND THEY SHOULD NOT BE ALLOWED TO POSSESS WMDs. They have already shown they cannot be trusted with them.

[Iran Forever]

I nominate you for next President of Russia.

 

You have that right. israel has threatened to nuke ALL of the capitals of Europe. I have been told by a former IDF man that they have this Masada complex, meaning they intend to take everyone down with them.

 

But you are right, israel is a TERRORIST STATE and israel MUST BE DISARMED AND THEY SHOULD NOT BE ALLOWED TO POSSESS WMDs. They have already shown they cannot be trusted with them.

 

 

Verginne, we are on the same page, and I like your posts. Israel and Zionism are the enemies of Christianity. I was in the West Bank where Palestinian Christians' chief complaint was chafing under Israeli occupation, not the Muslims around them. If a Christian Palestinian from Beit Sahour in the West Bank wants to go to East Jerusalem to the Church of the Holy Sepulchre he must apply for a permit at least a month in advance, and he may or may not get it. In Beit Jala near Bethlehem, Jewish settlers from the nearby settlement of Efrat defaced an Orthodox Church.

[Maral]

Please refrain from using profanities IN ANY LANGUAGE on this board! Edited August 6, 2006 by Maral

[vava]

I'm just going to close this thread - since it's obvious that some of you cannot get along and have constructive discussion without resorting to name calling and/or hate mongering. This is not a fellowship against (insert ethnic group here) type of forum.