Turkey Will Be Split Apart As Iraq Is.

[tuurkhdenial Paradigm]

your right...the Ataturk comment was out fo place, I'l just wait til you notice it on the "humour" section, there I'l bash you to my hearts desire.

 

turko-armenian relations cannot get any better. I find it quite amusing really that you come here playing the bigger man, posing as the victim. yes, we armenians create myths, its our fault we were wiped out, its our fault you closed your borders for it all. i suppose your expecting an apology?

 

turks are demons only because in the single millenium of their existence they have done so much to reinforce my theory that turks cannot be considered human beings.

By myth,I mean Armenians' general attack on anything Turkish without considering whether they are related with Armenionocide or not.It is because you think Turks are filled with nothing but hatred of Armenians.Would you believe me if I said there is nothing harsh about Armenianship written in Turkish history books.But that is the fact.

Maybe you personally dont feel thus,but as a nation whole that is as bright as the sun is.

And I dont play the bigger man.Otherwise I would not register in this forum to bear your insults.

[Ariane]

I would not register in this forum to bear your insults.

SO YOU CAN GO AWAY, PLEASE ! cause u make dirty our HYE forum

[Zartonk]

Ladies and Gentlemen:

 

IGNORE HIM.

[MadArmo]

Ladies and Gentlemen:

 

IGNORE HIM.

 

 

 

I think you meant to say IT ...

 

 

[GevorgP]

I think you meant to say IT ...

 

 

IGNORE HIM!

 

Bill accepted!

 

Edited April 10, 2007 by GevorgP

[Verginne]

You only keep them around for pets. This place doesn't get pet turks too often.

[Takoush]

 

Yeah. Immigrate turkey. We have not enough armenian in Turkey. More armenian in Turkey, less headache from diaspora.

HA HA HA.... Wouldn't you like that Zurdeboch. Or I should name you the village bright one...Oh yea sure!

 

But it aint' happening until you get the hell out of our anscestral lands and back to your Asian Mongolian Turkmenistan where you belong.

 

Oh one more thing..... take your friend and GO AWAY!!!!!!!!!

Edited April 11, 2007 by Anahid Takouhi

[zurderer]

haha Anahid do you see irony?

 

My ancestors did not want armenians at Turkey, but armenians wanted to stay at Turkey..

 

No, I want(or prefer) armenians at Turkey but an armenian, you dont want it.

 

Okey, serious..

 

Sorry body, We are not going anywhere, we would stay at Turkey.

 

 

 

 

[MadArmo]

haha Anahid do you see irony?

 

My ancestors did not want armenians at Turkey, but armenians wanted to stay at Turkey..

 

No, I want(or prefer) armenians at Turkey but an armenian, you dont want it.

 

Okey, serious..

 

Sorry body, We are not going anywhere, we would stay at Turkey.

 

 

So, your barbaric ancestors wanted Armenians gone from their home eh ? Wow, That sounds like a old plan Turko ! they failed once... So, you think your going to stay too? Listen to me, Please listen good, Armenians are strong and faithful enough to conquer your sadistic nomadic murderer butchers to the end, We shall get rid of you in time, We gained our freedom against all odds and shall retake what's ours by force, Your a fool for coming around here & looking for some sort of gratification, Why are Turks so egotistical ? I suppose it's insecurity caused by fear... Reality has it Armenians are warriors and that fact can't be disputed. Better pray we don't unite to kick your ARSE !

 

 

 

Armenians answer the call !

[GevorgP]

To my post below:

 

Turkey "tolerates" historical Christian monuments – churches but; without their crosses.

 

Turkey's last move to show up the naive Christian democracies worldwide that now they become "civilized" proponents of inter-religious tolerance.

 

Sure they are; but with a "small" exception, Turks think that the churches like Christians/Armenians are safe without their "parts" at the top; that is, as usual, Turks can tolerate only decapitated ones.

Turks renovated historical Akhtamar 'Sacred Cross" Armenian-Christian Church except the cross at the top; ensuring that in near future, nothing will prevent them to convert it to mosque, as they have done with hundreds of Western Armenia churches.

 

Therefore:

 

RoA delegation must reject Turkey's invitation to take part at the opening ceremony of the Akhtamar 'Sacred Cross" (Surb Khach) Church; because without the cross it is not historical Armenian Church; it is a "poor" candidate of another mosque.

He answered:

It turned into a museum.

Please regard it not as something related to Armenian pressures.

Thus he just renamed the 'Sacred Cross" (Surb Khach) Church to Museum, as Erdogan did, and solved the problem through decapitating. And yet you get angry when our forum members protest against it.

 

You call him/them pet!

You only keep them around for pets. This place doesn't get pet turks too often.

Because his answer is not logical?

 

If someone thinks that 2 times 3 makes 4; he is a pet? Or when someone answering to a post;

quotes just one word/sentence out of the whole text and "answers" only to that, because he/she has no answers to the rest of the post, and/or doesn't want to discuss it in order not to accept the true; that contradicts his/her interests.

 

This is not good thing to do. Some people are labeling others as idiots, to pose themselves as clever/magnificent. This is the cheapest way of becoming "wise". Yet there is good way of doing it; you just express your opinion on the same subject of discussion and let people judge it.

 

In addition you say: "This place doesn't get pet turks too often"; does this mean that often; it is the case?

 

Don't label whole country; in every nation, less or more, there are ignorant - like me and wise - like you; who are entitled to distinguish pet and wise. So you proved that you are clever; as opposed to the rest ..... Don't you think that it is a pet-ty privilege, Virginne?

 

 

As a cleverness test, please express your opinion on the following:

Sometimes we, Armenians, think that returning Western Armenia back; is not realistic. And that AG recognition worldwide does not mean anything; it wouldn't have any legal consequences.

 

Nevertheless, I seem, Turks, including Erdogan, don't know that it's wishful thinking. Therefore such a poor country is spending milliards of dollars to prevent AG recognition. Now all their government and parliament are on business trip to different countries worldwide; trying to prevent accepting AG by the countries.

 

What does this mean?

Edited April 12, 2007 by GevorgP

[hosank]

Just recently Armenia has began advertising in Tourism on CNN and major networks, I have been calling for such a move, sure enough Tourism has picked up and still as a result of ads campaign it will grow.

 

key is the absence on instability and this is also the main concern of The Armenian Government, with little natural resources, Armenian Highlands, Tourism, became of the her key commodity in economic sector.

 

Same can be said about High tech industry, ROA has this in mind and I think in very near future you'll start see major investments in this sector of the economy by both foreign investors and officials at the ROA.

 

#1 is peace

# Guaranty of stability

# major crack down on corruption

# Investment in advanced education among young

# Active public relations campaign.

Just like Ireland did not to long ago

 

i totally agree...see, armenia's economic salvation lies in ireland...figuratively speaking..ireland is alot like armenia..roughly the same population..had huge economic depression..so on and so on...

they totally re routed their economy..

(obviously ireland has the advantage of not being landlocked..and an english speaking country..but still)

 

 

i do not understand why we speak of a second armenia..have we not learned yet that division is not the answer..but one strong united armenia is?

we do need help from the western powers, but we mustn't depend on them, the big part is up to us. we must be able to play the powers..

for example...we see that france has had a very pro-armenia attitude lately..but that is partly fueled by their rivalry to turkey...

we notice that more and more, europeans distance themselves from turkey, as a result, they get closer to anything that is the opposite..e.i....armenia...

 

 

the us no longer needs turkey as an ally, since the cold war is over, and turkey is turning into a more dangerous country then irak itself...we can play on that too.....

 

we are armenians, let's be creative.

 

 

 

[Armenak]

i totally agree...see, armenia's economic salvation lies in ireland...figuratively speaking..ireland is alot like armenia..roughly the same population..had huge economic depression..so on and so on...

they totally re routed their economy..

(obviously ireland has the advantage of not being landlocked..and an english speaking country..but still)

Why do the Irish speak that language? Wasn't it forced on them?

 

But you're right. The Irish, like Armenians, tend to assimilate. For them, Seamus becomes James, and for Armenians Arshag becomes Arkady or Aaron.

[irlandahay]

Why do the Irish speak that language? Wasn't it forced on them?

 

well...ya lol. but its not a bad thing either. English is the language of the world...proof is were speaking it now arnt we?

 

I'm trying to get back to gaelic tho, obviously I'm not going to learn it. but I like the mythology and a couple words and expressions would be nice...I'l work on that lol

 

cheers

[Armenak]

A former classmate of mine has cousins who are half Armenian and half Irish and live in Dublin. They're both girls with Armenian names and surnames, since the dad is Armenian. They have got to be the only Armenians living there.

[hosank]

ireland has been part of the United Kingdom of Great Britain for hundreds of years..after a while, you learn the language. though people still speak gaelic there of course.

 

irlandahye, good luck learning gaelic

 

tell your irlandahye female friends about the growing irlandahye community...

[Zartonk]

Ireland is underpopulated both by the Irish total and the Armenian.

 

Does anyone else know Eire-menians ?

 

 

[zurderer]

Listen to me, Please listen good, Armenians are strong and faithful enough to conquer your sadistic nomadic murderer butchers to the end,

 

At past, armenians were more strong. It did not help them much. I think It is not a good idea to play with fire.

 

It is easy to talk and difficult to do. Not, I am against to dreaming but at least that dream should be a little realistic.

 

By the way, we are not nomad anymore. Remember? So even you conquer all Turkey, we will stay at anatolia.

 

 

 

 

 

[Arpa]

Zurkaka, why are you still here?

Pardon my rudeness. Can you speak English? Are you saying something that we need to know?We don't speak furkish. So, can you say something relevant to the issues, like why owning a Bible is tantamount to a death sentence?

Can't you see that we don't give a furk/ sik to your views?

Can't you see that no one responds to you. Even Yervant has decided to limit his "zurdeve/camel jokes" .

Why don't you get the F*** out of here and clean your backyard of Dyarbakir/Tigranakert where Christians are massacred for simply expressing their views that Islam is not the ultimate response to "Allah ou Ekber", whatever the turk that may mean!.

Edited April 20, 2007 by Arpa

[zurderer]

Malatya.

 

[tuurkhdenial Paradigm]

Dyarbakir/Tigranakert where Christians are massacred for simply expressing their views that Islam is not the ultimate response to "Allah ou Ekber", whatever the turk that may mean!.

Then,you wont kill me if I 'simply express my views' that no Armenian genocide perpetrated by the Turks, which I honestly apologize for happened,will you?

Edited April 22, 2007 by Armenianocide Paradigm

[Ariane]

Then,you wont kill me if I 'simply express my views' that no Armenian genocide perpetrated by the Turks, which I honestly apologize for happened,will you?

wot a question ???? of course WE will, STUPID MAN!!! you always have stupid remarks...

[tuurkhdenial Paradigm]

wot a question ???? of course WE will, STUPID MAN!!! you always have stupid remarks...

Then you are acting subjectively in such matter.

Respect Christian who claim that Every three Muslims out of five should be killed(That what killed Christian had told the murderers)

And Kill everyone who doesnt support killing Armenians but have doubts of Armenian genocide perpetrated by the Turks, which I honestly apologize for

So fair and Armenian

[Ariane]

quelle grosse marrade !!!!!

ardoun ganourh STUPID MAN is there,

YES, FAIR, ARMENIAN, CLEVER and PROUD, exactly what we are.

more blah ! blah! blah ?

 

 

[GevorgP]

USA democrats won recent elections; because voters want to return the USA army home, reduce the budget deficit, promote industrial growth and, at the same time, ensure that US strategic interests in the Middle East are not affected.

 

Democrats are patriots of their country, therefore their primary goal is not to maintain Iraq's territorial integrity; just to accommodate Turkey's national interests at any cost to USA.

The growing instability in Iraq and collapse of USA projections on creating pro-American Iraqi government, within reasonable cost and timeframe, failed. Because America wanted do it without breaking it into three states, Kurdish Sunni and Shia; to comfort Turkey national interests.

 

This radically changed political situation, during recent years, in USA.

 

USA, using its military superiority, rapidly occupied the country and apparently it was the most easy; first part of their plan.

 

But now they are unable (mission impossible) accomplish the second part of their plan, and the end is apparent, that way USA will lose the war. Because, after occupying the country, when Americans are located inside, in large numbers, throughout Iraq, they can not use their only advantage; mass destruction weapons.

 

Meanwhile the Iraqi's have the most effective military means in that situation; the "alive weapons", suicide bombers (PS. – Christians don't have); who can not be attacked by the US mass destruction weapons, used at the start, to win Sadam. In this situation the bombardiers, helicopters artillery, tanks etc. are useless, most of time.

 

USA voter is aware that the budget surplus under Clinton's presidency, now is changed to progressively growing deficit, and the dollar; the US most effective political and military tool is gradually becoming a second grade currency.

 

This is why democrats won the elections; voters want to return the USA army home, reduce the budget deficit, promote industrial growth and, at the same time, ensure that US strategic interests in the Middle East are not affected. Democrats are patriots of their country; therefore their primary goal is not to maintain Iraq's territorial integrity; just to accommodate Turkey's national interests at any cost to USA.

 

I guess, to achieve the goals above US may act this way:

 

Support Kurds to create a loyal to US Kurdish state that will promote USA interests in the Middle East. Relocate military bases from Turkey to Kurdistan, and then return the army home. Preliminarily, of cause, ensuring that; most of the Iraqi oil reserves are controlled by Kurds.

Then expel Turkey form NATO, because USA will have several opportunities for locating military bases in the region; Kurdistan, Georgia and perhaps in the Sunni state.

 

Because in case of Kurdistan-Turkey confrontation, in this new situation, USA will be enforced to support Kurds. Therefore to justify the action above and ensure next steps, USA congress, in advance, needs to pass the bill; on the Armenian Genocide. Which, of cause, will serve as a legal and justifiable argument for the future steps.

 

Letting (not preventing) Kurds and others break it down for achieving independence and getting free from Turkey oppression. And in doing this America will enjoy, almost world wide support; because the action will help the justice to prevail.

 

Regards,

 

GevorgP

Edited July 16, 2007 by GevorgP

[GevorgP]

USA democrats won recent elections; because voters want to return the USA army home, reduce the budget deficit, promote industrial growth and, at the same time, ensure that US strategic interests in the Middle East are not affected.

 

Democrats are patriots of their country, therefore their primary goal is not to maintain Iraq's territorial integrity; just to accommodate Turkey's national interests at any cost to USA.

The growing instability in Iraq and collapse of USA projections on creating pro-American Iraqi government, within reasonable cost and timeframe, failed. Because America wanted do it without breaking it into three states, Kurdish Sunni and Shia; to comfort Turkey national interests.

 

This radically changed political situation, during recent years, in USA.

 

USA, using its military superiority, rapidly occupied the country and apparently it was the most easy; first part of their plan.

 

But now they are unable (mission impossible) accomplish the second part of their plan, and the end is apparent, that way USA will lose the war. Because, after occupying the country, when Americans are located inside, in large numbers, throughout Iraq, they can not use their only advantage; mass destruction weapons.

 

Meanwhile the Iraqi's have the most effective military means in that situation; the "alive weapons", suicide bombers (PS. – Christians don't have); who can not be attacked by the US mass destruction weapons, used at the start, to win Sadam. In this situation the bombardiers, helicopters artillery, tanks etc. are useless, most of time.

 

USA voter is aware that the budget surplus under Clinton's presidency, now is changed to progressively growing deficit, and the dollar; the US most effective political and military tool is gradually becoming a second grade currency.

 

This is why democrats won the elections; voters want to return the USA army home, reduce the budget deficit, promote industrial growth and, at the same time, ensure that US strategic interests in the Middle East are not affected. Democrats are patriots of their country; therefore their primary goal is not to maintain Iraq's territorial integrity; just to accommodate Turkey's national interests at any cost to USA.

 

I guess, to achieve the goals above US may act this way:

 

Support Kurds to create a loyal to US Kurdish state that will promote USA interests in the Middle East. Relocate military bases from Turkey to Kurdistan, and then return the army home. Preliminarily, of cause, ensuring that; most of the Iraqi oil reserves are controlled by Kurds.

Then expel Turkey form NATO, because USA will have several opportunities for locating military bases in the region; Kurdistan, Georgia and perhaps in the Sunni state.

 

Because in case of Kurdistan-Turkey confrontation, in this new situation, USA will be enforced to support Kurds. Therefore to justify the action above and ensure next steps, USA congress, in advance, needs to pass the bill; on the Armenian Genocide. Which, of cause, will serve as a legal and justifiable argument for the future steps.

 

Letting (not preventing) Kurds and others break it down for achieving independence and getting free from Turkey oppression. And in doing this America will enjoy, almost world wide support; because the action will help the justice to prevail.

 

Regards,

 

GevorgP

 

Congratulations!!!

 

The clock that traces Turkey's split apart process; started ticking.

Gevorg

Edited November 5, 2007 by GevorgP