vava Posted August 20, 2004 Report Share Posted August 20, 2004 (edited) Alright. Let's stay AWAY from personal comments please. I don't think anyone wants to discuss their personal relationships on-line. Thanks for not crossing that line. By all means, if you wish to start a thread about fidelity in relationships, I think you can do that in the 'Love and Romance' forum. Edited August 20, 2004 by vava Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Armen Posted August 20, 2004 Report Share Posted August 20, 2004 I do not agree Vava. You know its not about crossing the personal borders (couldn't care less), its about the pathetic ways that Thoth always uses to defamate Christianity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THOTH Posted August 20, 2004 Report Share Posted August 20, 2004 Thoth, you sound like an inocent kid who is totaly unaware of the cruel reality that surrounds us. All those fairy tales about her honersty are nothing but a wishful thinking of your idealist naiive brain. How can a healthy woman have only one partner, Thoth? Come on, be more real, open your eyes and see the real world. She needs diversity, fun...Having the husband as the only partner is SO BORING. Exactly - you have no clue....so my advice to you - same I would give to onnig - is keep the preaching to yourself.... PS - I've never been called boring...by anyone....lol...so again you are - as I have said - without a clue... I'm also not naive or innocent and in fact have a very developed understanding of many things my friend...so yeah - you are the one who is speculating and such without knowledge - so go on - invent your (explanation for) reality that you have no empiricle knowledge of - keep on as you have....just keep it to yourself - I have no need to hear... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Armen Posted August 20, 2004 Report Share Posted August 20, 2004 Exactly - you have no clue....so my advice to you - same I would give to onnig - is keep the preaching to yourself.... PS - I've never been called boring...by anyone....lol...so again you are - as I have said - without a clue... I'm also not naive or innocent and in fact have a very developed understanding of many things my friend...so yeah - you are the one who is speculating and such without knowledge - so go on - invent your (explanation for) reality that you have no empiricle knowledge of - keep on as you have....just keep it to yourself - I have no need to hear... Thoth, you always get hysterical with Chrsitianity. You intentionally make silly argumentations in these kind of threads to make them stop or closed. Who are you to silence me? Do you understand how Nazi you sound? As I said earier, go on and believe the fairy tales about your wife. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THOTH Posted August 20, 2004 Report Share Posted August 20, 2004 ArmenSarg - my "arguments" or what have you concerning Christianity and religion in general are certainly no sillier then the likes of onnig, you and others spouting off what is and isn't true in your minds and how we must all believe etc etc - so stuff it. And as I have said - your comments concerning my wife have absolutly no bearing on reality - much as your overall concepts of reality are quite lacking due to belief in outmoded and discredited doctrine. And are you just going to repeat your same ignorant contention concerning my wife or do you have other equally meaningless speculation to add? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sasun Posted August 20, 2004 Report Share Posted August 20, 2004 This thread is about religion, in particular about Christianity. Anyone who does not like this topic or does not like to hear anything about Christianity should leave the thread and stop preaching their own personal beliefs or disbeliefs. If not then learn to tolerate alternative beliefs and stop attacking anyone because of their beliefs. Unfortunately, the forum has a few members who no matter what will always step in a religious thread and trash it using foul language and insults directed at believers. This is sickening... and against the forum rules to insult. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Armen Posted August 20, 2004 Report Share Posted August 20, 2004 Thoth, they are silly. The ones like: "Christianity is boring". Sounds like a 12 year old kid. Haven't heard anything more pathetic. Do not make these smartass connections between what I wrote and what Onnig wrote, trying to treat them as something wholesale. I did not see you offering any points or arguments on what I wrote. Third, I did not TELL or OREDER anyone to believe what I wrote. So, here you're making another assumption, which again comes from your hysterical assesment of anything Christian. Your xenophobia is as evident as you naiive beliefs in honesty of you know who, which is so boring. And what is this thing with telling me to shut up? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THOTH Posted August 20, 2004 Report Share Posted August 20, 2004 ...stop preaching their own personal beliefs or disbeliefs... yeah - who here asked asked/begged to be preached to...this is my point..yeah if someone comes on here and starts making statements such as "There is only one way to approach the true and living God of the Universe" "The world has only two forms of religion. One that is true and one that is false." "Hell is real, you have believed a lie." etc etc and so on and so forth.... Well you are saying its OK for someone to post such things? Not in my book....so stop trying to censor me. When have I ever started some thread saying "don't believe" etc - but don't tell me I can't post in response to such (insulting - to me) garbage! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Armen Posted August 20, 2004 Report Share Posted August 20, 2004 (edited) Thoth if you had actually read the thread you would see that Sasun argued more against Onnig than anyone else. Not to mention that my points totaly contradic to what Onnig has written. So, stop this... Edited August 20, 2004 by ArmenSarg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THOTH Posted August 20, 2004 Report Share Posted August 20, 2004 I did not see you offering any points or arguments on what I wrote. Third, I did not TELL or OREDER anyone to believe what I wrote. So, here you're making another assumption, which again comes from your hysterical assesment of anything Christian. Your xenophobia is as evident as you naiive beliefs in honesty of you know who, which is so boring. And what is this thing with telling me to shut up? Why am i required to adress anything you wrote. Maybe I agree with what you wrote (on religion or whatever) and see no need to comment - maybe I don't care what you wrote - etc - thats my business - I wil comment on what I feel like commenting on. And when did I tell you to shut up? I just said you are not saying anything relevant or worthwhile IMO - and again I didn't say "shut up" I asked what business is my personal life and a discussion of such on this forum to you? none. And I answered your question besides. (and BTW my wife is more an atheist - and less tolerant/understanding of [preachy] Christians then I am...). Anyway I am adressing the issues of relgion - and seriously - even if I might joke - while you are trying to make this personal. So OK - you have made your little point (or attempted to) - so what else do you have to say regarding my personal life - of which you know nothing..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THOTH Posted August 20, 2004 Report Share Posted August 20, 2004 Thoth if you had actually read the thread you would see that Sasun argued more against Onnig than anyone else. Not to mention that my points totaly contradic to what Onnig has written. So, stop this... So its OK for you and Sasun to voice your opinions and disagreements - but not me? What gives you more right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sasun Posted August 20, 2004 Report Share Posted August 20, 2004 So its OK for you and Sasun to voice your opinions and disagreements - but not me? What gives you more right? Nobody has the right to attack and insult, no matter what your beliefs are. Calling somone's God names is also and insult more injuring than other insults. If you don't care about Christianity then you should have nothing to say here but as usual you are trying to sabotage a religios thread because some people have different beliefs from yours. How hard is it to understand the difference between disagreeing and insulting and attacking, I think you are just pretending not to understand as an excuse to keep doing your vicious routine of attacking and riduculing Christians or other religions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Armen Posted August 20, 2004 Report Share Posted August 20, 2004 Why am i required to adress anything you wrote. Maybe I agree with what you wrote (on religion or whatever) and see no need to comment - maybe I don't care what you wrote - etc - thats my business - I wil comment on what I feel like commenting on. And when did I tell you to shut up? I just said you are not saying anything relevant or worthwhile IMO - and again I didn't say "shut up" I asked what business is my personal life and a discussion of such on this forum to you? none. And I answered your question besides. (and BTW my wife is more an atheist - and less tolerant/understanding of [preachy] Christians then I am...). Anyway I am adressing the issues of relgion - and seriously - even if I might joke - while you are trying to make this personal. So OK - you have made your little point (or attempted to) - so what else do you have to say regarding my personal life - of which you know nothing..... You are requried because smartass comments like "boring" are unacceptable if they constitute a pattern. They also can be countered by a reference to you-know- who's personal life. You know why? Because faith is a very personal thing, Thoth if you didn't notice. If you joke about my faith, I can joke about your wife. However, if you want you can keep it that way but in this case I have a right to coinsider you a kid. I couldn't care less about your thought on what I wrote but if you joke on them expect the same attitude towards yourself because I know perfectly well what you mean behind that joke. We're all Armenians here, aren't we...Do not think anyone is dumber than you. Thoth, you didn't even understand that I had nothing about your wife. I'm sure she's a nice person. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sip Posted August 20, 2004 Report Share Posted August 20, 2004 If you joke about my faith, I can joke about your wife. Come on! Since when are two wrongs ok? A wrong for a wrong also sounds pretty islamic to me and definitely not the Christian thing to do. Can't we just stick to logically discussing things? But then again, logic is always the last thing I expect to find in a religious debate Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Armen Posted August 20, 2004 Report Share Posted August 20, 2004 So its OK for you and Sasun to voice your opinions and disagreements - but not me? What gives you more right? Because the WAY you write is as empty as Onnig's age old Christian dogmas. Making a joke where you don't have an argument is very popular with certain type of people. And these jokes, as inocent and fun as they may sound, constitute in their essence the xenophobia, which in our usual understanding must be something cruel and no fun... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sip Posted August 20, 2004 Report Share Posted August 20, 2004 (edited) By the way, this reminded me of one of my fondest memories growing up as a child in Iran ... I would spend hours watching on TV the rules and regulations that apparently Islam had dictated about getting even... things like if one guy cuts off your arm or a leg, what can you do to them. Like you can cut one of their limbs as well ... or if they blind you in one eye, then you can blind him in one eye. But if he doesn't have any eyes, then there were a whole list to things you could do. Very fascinating stuff .... and went on and on for hours!!!!! Edited August 20, 2004 by Seapahn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sasun Posted August 20, 2004 Report Share Posted August 20, 2004 Come on! Since when are two wrongs ok? A wrong for a wrong also sounds pretty islamic to me and definitely not the Christian thing to do. That is correct, but sometimes there is no other choice than making the insulter taste what they are offering to get a point accross. It is not advised to make it a habit though Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Armen Posted August 20, 2004 Report Share Posted August 20, 2004 Come on! Since when are two wrongs ok? A wrong for a wrong also sounds pretty islamic to me and definitely not the Christian thing to do. Can't we just stick to logically discussing things? But then again, logic is always the last thing I expect to find in a religious debate When the ignorance goes off the borders anything is OK. And I understand the "turn your second chick" thing only in spiritual sence. Sip, pronouncing the word "logic" doesen't solve all the problems. Where did you see logic in Thoth's hyterical outbursts. Again: religion and faith are different. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THOTH Posted August 20, 2004 Report Share Posted August 20, 2004 Again - I'm not the one claiming to have a monopoly on the truth and claiming that those who don't agree with me will recieve eternal punishment from some imagined celestial being. So yes - I am not going to let such garbage post uncontested - just like I won't just let some Turk post making claims about the Genocide and what I as an Armenain must believe etc etc - I'm responding appropriatly IMO - and I will continue to do so. If you really think that posting nonsense about my wife is on the same level (response to my objections concerning religion) - well thats your problem really. You may not have noticed but I am fairly well read and understanding of various religions and religious practices, doctrine etc of the world (not just confined to Christianity....so if you fail to comprehend that I make very valid (and serious) points - then again its your problem....and again - I'm not forcing my beliefs down your throat - its the other way around - so who is the one who is offending who (the "you" in this case not necessarily meaning you as an individual - but those who protheletize continuously on this forum - very much including Sasun - who seems to knwo all of the answers (or thinks he does) - yet is so very quick to edit any critique or arguments that might portray his cult beliefs in a negative light...etc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Armen Posted August 20, 2004 Report Share Posted August 20, 2004 Thoth, you were calmed down by Eduard twice in this thread. Your first post addressed to Onnig was very much like a Nazi xenophobia. Here is what's left of your first post: LOL false...so what does that make your belief Your second post: Your god sucks and you are fool.....what can I say...(sorry all...) Here is one good question: One question - why does the supreme being care if we "sin" ...whats the big deal? And does the punishment fit the crime? Anyway all just hypothisizing as GOD DOES NOT EXIST! Than comes an irrelevant piece of rethoric: I never ceased to be amazed how much time, energy, thought and what have you people waste on complete and utter uselessness...like postulating and arguing about the attrubutes and likes and dislikes (and demands) of immaginary beings and thinking that our pitifully narrow concepts (god)have any bearing on anything that is reality - no chance - and this just seems so obvious to me - ..don't know...even supposing we can at all even begin to much understand the universe/multiverses around us....at least lets use some tools (scientific observation and application) instead of relying on myth ad fary tale... primatives...what can I say.... Actually, to answer you scientifically. Mental power and science are unable to answer where is the end of this world. Until they do, I may well apply other than scientific tools. Is a matter of choice. Then comes the: ...sex, drugs and rock and roll! Very high quality joke. However, it is making a pattern. If we go on to other threads we can find similar jokes by you that mock Christianity. Actually, the question you asked about... when have atheists ever gone on a crusade to convince others to not believe? You - with your persistent defamation of Christianity - are doing that. Yes, posting about your wife is on the same level. And from now on when you make the same circle of rethorical questions and jokes, which you think are valid arguments, remember your wife. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ED Posted August 20, 2004 Report Share Posted August 20, 2004 (edited) Ok, I think points have been made and its clear for both sides, however making personal remarks blocks any rational counter argument and as a result all hell breaks loose thus contributing negatively to the quality of the thread, and the forum in general! I must ask you folks to refrain any further personal comments, please, and once more and for the last time, I’m asking you lets stay on the topic at hand. Thanks for your cooperation Edited August 20, 2004 by Edward Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Armen Posted August 20, 2004 Report Share Posted August 20, 2004 So yes - I am not going to let such garbage post uncontested - As I showed above you did not contest them appropriately. just like I won't just let some Turk post making claims about the Genocide and what I as an Armenain must believe etc etc - What is so Turkish about impotent (in our days) church dogmas? Who cares about them anyway nowadays? What the point of getting angry with them? Did you see Onnig convincing anyone? One thing he did was persuade some people again that Christian dogma is nonsense. With your similar rethoric you could have convinced some lost people that Onnig may well be true. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Armen Posted August 20, 2004 Report Share Posted August 20, 2004 however making personal remarks blocks any rational counter argument Edward, if you mean my conduct I want to explain again that I regard my faith as a personal matter. Second, it was not the "personal" nature of my allegory (if this was addressed to me) that "blocked the rational counter argument" but the ultimate initial assumption that faith can't ba a personal matter, which speaks for itself. Anyway, this was just to clarify my points. I'm done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THOTH Posted August 20, 2004 Report Share Posted August 20, 2004 Threaten me all you want (empty) - most Christian of you - but I will not give in. And I believe my approach fully appropriate - and just because you don't agree - and can't really counter - you attempt to disparage my wife in some (meaningless) way. Sorry - I refrained from comment in this thread until onnig started making the ussual claims (and like I said - I don't initiate this nor do I tell anyone what to believe - only when they are so certain that they are right and that all is so draconian and that mankind is so evil and that their righteous god will make us suffer etc etc - I shove it back to them as they deserve)... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ED Posted August 20, 2004 Report Share Posted August 20, 2004 Edward, if you mean my conduct I want to explain again that I regard my faith as a personal matter. Armen it was addressed to all who are involved posting in this forum, I didn’t state you specifically and I agree with you, religion, fait as well as family are very personal matters Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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