Ludwig9 Posted February 2, 2005 Report Share Posted February 2, 2005 No! Secular humanists place humans above anything else, including above gods... they think of the benefit of humans above anything else, including gods. style_images/master/snapback.png So do Nazis, does that make them humanists? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sev-mard Posted February 2, 2005 Report Share Posted February 2, 2005 So do Nazis, does that make them humanists? style_images/master/snapback.png I may be wrong, but Nazi's where also driven by a "belief" that what they were doing was God-mandated, were they not? Therefore making them religious fanatics more than true humanists? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DominO123 Posted February 2, 2005 Report Share Posted February 2, 2005 So do Nazis, does that make them humanists? style_images/master/snapback.png for the NAZI, some humans were more equal than others... I can't see how this could be humanistic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sasun Posted February 2, 2005 Author Report Share Posted February 2, 2005 I may be wrong, but Nazi's where also driven by a "belief" that what they were doing was God-mandated, were they not? Therefore making them religious fanatics more than true humanists? style_images/master/snapback.png Well, anyone can do whatever they like and say they were mandated by God. I am not sure if the Nazi's really believed in that, because they were Germans, and Germans are Christians, and there is nothing like that in Christianity. So they invented a racist doctrine and blamed it to God - it does not make God or bona fide religious teachings unhumanistic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sev-mard Posted February 2, 2005 Report Share Posted February 2, 2005 , and Germans are Christians, and there is nothing like that in Christianity. style_images/master/snapback.png The Curse of Ham doesn't claim that darker skinned(Black) people are cursed for being the descendants of a man who found his father passed out and drunk? I don't know deeply about Nazi philosophy, but I do know that the Curse of Ham was enough for "white" "Americans" to validate slavery of Black Africans. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sasun Posted February 2, 2005 Author Report Share Posted February 2, 2005 The Curse of Ham doesn't claim that darker skinned(Black) people are cursed for being the descendants of a man who found his father passed out and drunk? I don't know deeply about Nazi philosophy, but I do know that the Curse of Ham was enough for "white" "Americans" to validate slavery of Black Africans. style_images/master/snapback.png I see your point, and maybe that's one of the contrast's between old and new testaments. I think in Christianity the curse of Ham is not really an important thing. Jesus Christ preached to love everybody, friends, enemies, all. He didn't mention anything about the curse of Ham in his teachings. Therefore it seems to me if one professes to be a follower of Christ's teachings then he should not be thinking of slaving anyone, as it is an outright contradiction to Christian values. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sev-mard Posted February 2, 2005 Report Share Posted February 2, 2005 I see your point, and maybe that's one of the contrast's between old and new testaments. I think in Christianity the curse of Ham is not really an important thing. Jesus Christ preached to love everybody, friends, enemies, all. He didn't mention anything about the curse of Ham in his teachings. Therefore it seems to me if one professes to be a follower of Christ's teachings then he should not be thinking of slaving anyone, as it is an outright contradiction to Christian values. style_images/master/snapback.png Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ludwig9 Posted February 2, 2005 Report Share Posted February 2, 2005 The Curse of Ham doesn't claim that darker skinned(Black) people are cursed for being the descendants of a man who found his father passed out and drunk? I don't know deeply about Nazi philosophy, but I do know that the Curse of Ham was enough for "white" "Americans" to validate slavery of Black Africans. style_images/master/snapback.png This is an excellent point!!! And this is how mosted people justified their racism against the black people. But these people completely miss the point of God and bible entirely!!! Even humanism is a type of belief/philosophy, and everyone defines it differently. for the NAZI, some humans were more equal than others... I can't see how this could be humanistic. If some humans were more equal than others then how come the Japanese sided with them and the Russians didn't? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DominO123 Posted February 2, 2005 Report Share Posted February 2, 2005 Even humanism is a type of belief/philosophy, and everyone defines it differently. If some humans were more equal than others then how come the Japanese sided with them and the Russians didn't? style_images/master/snapback.png That the NAZI considered some more equal than others is a fact, that the NAZI sided with the Japanese is another, asking why and how is irrelevent here. The fact is that the NAZIs were far from being humanists, since their nation passed before any other people.(some are more equal than others) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Siamanto Posted February 6, 2005 Report Share Posted February 6, 2005 Are you familiar with the concepts of "passive and active nihilism" in Nietzsche? It's about faith and loss of faith! style_images/master/snapback.png If Nietzsche were to lived in our times he might have had a deferent view on religion, his stand/hatred on religion/Christianity was mostly due to the fact that Nietzsche was a suppressed homosexual, however I have read most of his works, I have to go back and refresh my memory on that particular subject. i enjoyed very much "beyond the good and evil" style_images/master/snapback.png Edward Jan, 1- Let's make sure that the "suppressed homosexuality" of Nietzsche will not interfere with our conversation. For the record, I have studied Nietzsche with many respected scholars and specialists and it is the first time I hear of such a "fact." Also, I'm sure that you're aware that Parajanov have been accused of "homosexuality!" 2- Nietzsche - along with other contemporary philosophers - paid a lot of attention to faith. Kirkegaard - a bishop - also had interesting views. From many standpoints, Nietzsche and Kirkegaard agree. We can leave aside the anti Christian aspects and focus on (the loss of ) faith! Kierkegaard 3- "The European Nihilism" is part of an incomplete and famous book called "Will To Power." Nietzsche studies the impacts of excessive rationalism and loss of faith on our societies. Foucault & Nietzsche European Nihilism The concept of Nihilism & Nietzsche Nihilism & Post-modernism Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Siamanto Posted February 6, 2005 Report Share Posted February 6, 2005 (edited) "God is dead. We killed him. You and I". --Nietzsche style_images/master/snapback.png The above is one of the most misunderstood statements of Modern Philosophy! Often presented as an Oedipian patricide. In view of Nietsche's understanding on faith and his explanation of the loss - or death - of faith; I understand the above statement as a mourning, a repent, maybe a regret ! I have to disagree with this allegation of "suppressed homosexual". When in history certain men of genius rise above the masses who are toiling in the fields of misanthropy, they are dubbed as such usually by self-styled psychoanalysts. style_images/master/snapback.png His supressed homosexuality is not just simple allegations. style_images/master/snapback.png Yes, Nietszsche's "suppressed homosexuality" is a fact just like the "existence" of an infinite number of Universes or The Twilight Zone! PS. In some ways, the "Twilight Zone" may be more of a reality! Edited February 6, 2005 by Siamanto Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DominO123 Posted February 7, 2005 Report Share Posted February 7, 2005 Siamanto, I havn't seen me writing it is a fact, but just that his supressed homosexuality was not just simple allegations. The theory of infinit number of universes will soon become more than just claims. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lara-chan Posted February 26, 2005 Report Share Posted February 26, 2005 a choice between god or armenia? you serious? if i was religious, i would be sort of offended to be asked that. what does god have to do with our culture/motherland? did god create armenia first? i don't know. i don't think it matters though. there's something called "plate tectonics". i've got it! ARMENIA was in the middle of pangea!! land spread out from there, thus making armenia the ultimate motherland! without my lab of creationalists, i cannot find what caused the plates to break and move. maybe god was bored? in conclusion, i'm not being serious. (for that last bit anyway) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Djrak Posted June 22, 2005 Report Share Posted June 22, 2005 (edited) the love you feel for your country is from God if you want to replace God with that love: u r heading for destruction dignity is from God, pride isnt we armenians always think what we had is lost with nothing gained that's why we put God out of the picture, we r selfish, greedy and fanatics trying to fill an emptiness which only Christ can fill, with fanatic patriotism without knowing what you are missing... we r given so many gifts, if you dont practice them because you are too stubborn, you are heading for destruction. peace Edited June 22, 2005 by Djrak Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Takoush Posted May 7, 2006 Report Share Posted May 7, 2006 (edited) I believe had the Armenians worshipped God and followed Christian principles either there would be no Ottoman empire, or Armenia would be big and strong and not part of it. Even during the Ottomans if the leadership/intelligencia/the businesspeople were not selfish they would have cared about the ordinary provincial Armenians and establish unity, national self-conscousness and that would lead to a defensive mindset, maybe even revolutionary mindset. Anything would be better than just dying without knowing why they are dying. It is a mistake to think that Christian principles lead one to let killed. Christianity is a religion of life, not death... Well, this is not exactly what your post is about but has to do a lot with our widely accepted misconception. And to be more precise to your post, God cares about us much more than we do. We can understand our best interests only by worshipping God. Sasun jan; you are a true philosopher. I happen to think in the same lines as you do, though this was said a long time ago; but I happen to come across it just now. Very good and a true answer!!!!! Edited May 7, 2006 by Anahid Takouhi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phantom22 Posted June 19, 2006 Report Share Posted June 19, 2006 This is wrong. I have recently discovered that the male heads of my family were disemboweled with a schitimar. Only the women, children and elderly were drowned. My great-grandfather opened up his storehouse to feed all the poor, Armenian, Assyrian, Jew and Turk alike. He was a truly Christian man. God was nowhere to be found in the Summer of 1915 when he and his three sons, and the large majority of their families were drowned in the Tigris, the first families to go. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Armena Posted June 5, 2007 Report Share Posted June 5, 2007 (edited) What do you think? Armenia's interests are higher than God, I would choose. But agian it seems you don't have a clue what the word God means. Surely the interests of Armenia and the Armenian nation are far more higher and important than the Judaic ''god'' of the Bible. Edited June 5, 2007 by Armena Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Armena Posted June 5, 2007 Report Share Posted June 5, 2007 What do you think? ''Armenia will only benefit if we worship God and follow His Word''. Yeah we saw how much we benefited from that in 1915. The tremendous passivity Christianity creates destroys nations and it is destroying us now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted June 5, 2007 Report Share Posted June 5, 2007 (edited) Everything in life isn't a question of benefit. Did you expect that lightning would strike all those who participated in the 1915 genocide? The tremendous passivity Christianity creates That is true only in words. Christians have rarely applied that rule. Besides, the world does not need any more war-mongering religions. Edited June 5, 2007 by Dave Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
abass80 Posted June 7, 2007 Report Share Posted June 7, 2007 asdvatz vranis tknets, meng al gartzetsink vor antsrev yegav! :lol: :lol: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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