Sasun Posted May 6, 2004 Author Report Share Posted May 6, 2004 By the way doesn't the Bible say something like 'He who takes up the sword will also die by the sword'? Or am I really off target here? Jesus said that when Peter cut off a soldier's ear when they were about to arrest Jesus. So I think that means do not start violence. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sasun Posted May 6, 2004 Author Report Share Posted May 6, 2004 I see it as two unrelated things. The question is, is there anything in the universe that is unrelated to God? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gurgen Posted May 6, 2004 Report Share Posted May 6, 2004 Jesus said that when Peter cut off a soldier's ear when they were about to arrest Jesus. So I think that means do not start violence. Ahh don't start violence, now that makes sense Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted January 26, 2005 Report Share Posted January 26, 2005 Ofcourse God is very important because our people gave their blood for our religion in the past. It`s very painfull to say that how closer we came to God the harder we had to suffer! I agree. Our forefathers didn't cross the Syrian desert, so that some day their grandchildren start to talk against the religion they almost died for Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anoushik Posted January 26, 2005 Report Share Posted January 26, 2005 I agree. Our forefathers didn't cross the Syrian desert, so that some day their grandchildren start to talk against the religion they almost died for style_images/master/snapback.png Not only for religion but for our culture as well. Religions come and go but it's the culture that remains Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted January 26, 2005 Report Share Posted January 26, 2005 Of course, but culture has a lot to do with religion. Some say that Turkey is culturally not a part of Europe. Why? Because of their Islamic religion. If the Turks were Christians, they would have been accepted more easily in the EU... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anoushik Posted January 26, 2005 Report Share Posted January 26, 2005 (edited) My point is that Armenia had a strong, established culture even before Christianity. True, it was because of Christianity that we hung on to our culture amidst first the pagan Persians and then the Muslims. But this always fascinates me: why did we choose Christianity in the first place? Because of our culture. Edit: I mean Armenians, not Armenia Edited January 26, 2005 by anoushik Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted January 26, 2005 Report Share Posted January 26, 2005 Because of our culture? Our culture was almost identical to Persian culture before we became Christians, before we got our alphabet, etc. Before that, Persians and Armenians intermarried and were very similar. Our national identity and culture was formed or ''forged'' because of important events during late antiquity, and especially Armenia's conversion to Christianity. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anoushik Posted January 26, 2005 Report Share Posted January 26, 2005 (edited) Not true. We had our language (the main thing that defines and keeps a culture), we had means of writing that was destroyed once Chrisitanity took power, we had our own mythology, we were highly developed in the sciences, astronomy... We had everything. I attended Alexander Varpetyan's lecture this Sunday in Glendale. All I can say is: WOW! We really did have everything. And all of this will be proven by the international community in the upcoming years. It's very exciting what archaeological research uncovers in Armenia. I have to go now but would like to comment on this more later Edited January 26, 2005 by anoushik Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted January 26, 2005 Report Share Posted January 26, 2005 (edited) Yes we had our language, but was it our official language? (I know that official languages did not exist, but... foreign languages such as Aramaic were used in temples and other 'official' places) And what was our means of writing? Cunéiforme from Mésopotamia? (edit) I suppose it was nothing like the Armenian language. I'm just saying these because I beleive that our culture got... ''sahmanvadz'' (I don't remember the English term ) because of Christianity (301), the Armenian Alphabet (405-406), and the willingness to die for religion (451) Edited January 26, 2005 by Dave Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Siamanto Posted January 26, 2005 Report Share Posted January 26, 2005 (edited) What do you think? style_images/master/snapback.png What comes first: Armenia or God? I usually go for the alphabetical - ascending - order! Why change? PS. Of course, Allah is not on my list! Edited January 26, 2005 by Siamanto Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sasun Posted January 26, 2005 Author Report Share Posted January 26, 2005 What comes first: Armenia or God? I usually go for the alphabetical - ascending - order! Why change? PS. Of course, Allah is not on my list! style_images/master/snapback.png How about Astvats? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anoushik Posted January 26, 2005 Report Share Posted January 26, 2005 How about Astvats? style_images/master/snapback.png It's still second Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Siamanto Posted January 26, 2005 Report Share Posted January 26, 2005 How about Astvats? style_images/master/snapback.png Are you aware that I spell Armenia as "Aiasdan? I thought that you already knew! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sasun Posted January 26, 2005 Author Report Share Posted January 26, 2005 Are you aware that I spell Armenia as "Aiasdan? I thought that you already knew! style_images/master/snapback.png Hmm... I didn't know. Are you aware that you are spelling it wrong? I suspect you might pronounce it without an "H" as French people do, but spell you must with and "H" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sasun Posted January 26, 2005 Author Report Share Posted January 26, 2005 It's still second style_images/master/snapback.png Nice try, but you must you the same language Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nakharar Posted January 26, 2005 Report Share Posted January 26, 2005 We have molded Christianity in our own image. Every nation does it. What I don't get is the irritation some people have towards Christianity. Let's face it without Christianity, Armenian identity wouldn't have been preserved. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arvestaked Posted January 26, 2005 Report Share Posted January 26, 2005 I hate the ideas of God and religion so, based on that, figuring out my answer to the title question should be quite simple. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Armat Posted January 26, 2005 Report Share Posted January 26, 2005 I hate the ideas of God and religion so, based on that, figuring out my answer to the title question should be quite simple. style_images/master/snapback.png How is that explain your avatar Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nakharar Posted January 26, 2005 Report Share Posted January 26, 2005 I think the avatar explains it. A cross turned over isn't a positive sign. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arvestaked Posted January 26, 2005 Report Share Posted January 26, 2005 I think the avatar explains it. A cross turned over isn't a positive sign. style_images/master/snapback.png It is not a negative one either. It is just an opinion like any other. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kakachik77 Posted January 26, 2005 Report Share Posted January 26, 2005 I think the avatar explains it. A cross turned over isn't a positive sign. style_images/master/snapback.png no, it's just the new Georgian flag Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arvestaked Posted January 26, 2005 Report Share Posted January 26, 2005 no, it's just the new Georgian flag style_images/master/snapback.png Cute. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kakachik77 Posted January 26, 2005 Report Share Posted January 26, 2005 actually, this is the NEW Georgian flag, still very close Dusken Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Siamanto Posted January 26, 2005 Report Share Posted January 26, 2005 (edited) Hmm... I didn't know. Are you aware that you are spelling it wrong? I suspect you might pronounce it without an "H" as French people do, but spell you must with and "H" style_images/master/snapback.png Sasun, I did not say that my decision was objective and based on accurate data! I simply stated what comes first and why! The poll is about our subjective perception and choice; it's not about the legitimacy and correctness of our assessment/data! So what counts is the outcome of my choice! I'm very comfortable with my "erroneous" assessment! It works for me! Kakachik, I really like the colors of your avatar. Who's the painter? Thanks! Edited January 26, 2005 by Siamanto Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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