The Situation In Lebanon

[Sip]

Iran never has posed a threat to U.S. interests, nor does it currently.[/b]

 

Emmm ... so I guess them shouting "Death to America" for the past 27 years is just a friendly gesture?

 

[Shahan Araradian]

Now now ... we are ALL on the Internet typing in English ... is that part of the "Armenian Identity"? Aren't we all adapting to a changing world?

The world has always been changing.

 

Knowledge of the Armenian language is a fundamental part of being Armenian: reading and writing in order to understand the intellectual treasure passed on by generations of Armenians before us.

 

Without knowing how to read in Armenian, how can you tap into that wealth of knowledge passed through the generations? Writing is a powerful technology. If you don't read the intellectual works of your predecessors, then you'll be re-inventing the wheel and making the same mistakes along the way... Highly inefficient.

 

The works of Նժդեհ, Նաթալի, and Աղբալեան are invaluable.

[Shahan Araradian]

Emmm ... so I guess them shouting "Death to America" for the past 27 years is just a friendly gesture?

The video footage shown by the Zionist media (CNN, Fox News, etc.) that you are alluding to is not representative of the Iranian people. It's like broadcasting to the world a KKK demonstration in which some people are brandishing swastika's and the news commentator concludes that all Americans are Nazis.

 

The population sample is key.

 

Iran as a matter of foreign policy is against the state of Israel. It is against the U.S.A. only for its support of the Zionist state.

 

Iranians don't hold an internal grudge with Americans just because they're Americans; it's because of America's support of Zionism... And really it's the American government's support of Zionism. It's not the American people's support of Zionism. America's support for Zionism is artificial and a result of the work of Zionists.

Edited June 8, 2007 by Shahan Araradian

[ArmoPhil]

Iraq posed a threat to the Zionist state.

 

Iran poses a threat to the Zionist state.

Well, isn't it a friend's job to help another friend while he/she is threatened? It's the same thing with the Zionists and the Americans. And, you shouldn't blame the damn Jews for the Palestinian exile. Blame the UN for giving the Jews their Lands, in 1949. The Muslims community in Lebanon is ruining Lebanon. "Death to Israel" "Down with Judaism", all these chants, you think Israel isn't going to take any actions? It's the same for Iran. They will soon be welcoming American troops in their Turf.

[Sip]

The video footage shown by the Zionist media (CNN, Fox News, etc.) that you are alluding to is not representative of the Iranian people.

 

Oh will you shut up with that bullshit already? Why do you immediately blame everything you don't like on CNN and Fox News? FYI, I LIVED there in Iran for many many years. It's faaaaaaaaaaar far faaaaar worse on their own Media.

 

[Shahan Araradian]

Well, isn't it a friend's job to help another friend while he/she is threatened? It's the same thing with the Zionists and the Americans. And, you shouldn't blame the damn Jews for the Palestinian exile. Blame the UN for giving the Jews their Lands, in 1949. The Muslims community in Lebanon is ruining Lebanon. "Death to Israel" "Down with Judaism", all these chants, you think Israel isn't going to take any actions? It's the same for Iran. They will soon be welcoming American troops in their Turf.

I argue that America's relationship with Zionism isn't in the best interest of the American people.

[ArmoPhil]

I argue that America's relationship with Zionism isn't in the best interest of the American people.

Nope it isn't. Some day, we will see a Neo-NSDAP in America. You guys should come to Canada before that happens . The Holocaust didn't teach them anything, a second one will.

[ArmoPhil]

But guys please, if you guys really think this way "Muslims > Americans + Zionists" then we have a serious problem.

[Shahan Araradian]

It's the same for Iran. They will soon be welcoming American troops in their Turf.

Do you really think the U.S. has enough troops to launch an attack on Iran, let alone control Iran, when it cannot even control Iraq?

 

The U.S. doesn't have infinite resources.

Edited June 9, 2007 by Shahan Araradian

[Sip]

I highly doubt the US would be stupid enough to attack Iran ... even with a dumb arse like Bush Jr. in charge.

[Shahan Araradian]

But guys please, if you guys really think this way "Muslims > Americans + Zionists" then we have a serious problem.

Ժամանակները միշտ կը փոխուին ընկեր... Ուժերը միշտ ուժ չէն մնար:

 

Եւ աւելին՝ անհատներու եւ փոքր խումբերու ուժը հետզհետէ կը զօրանայ:

[AK-47]

The chances of a full-scale Iran War are slim and lets hope it remains as slim as possible, for Armenia's sake. USA does not have the ressources necessary to attack Iran at the moment as Shahan mentioned. Its army is stretched too thin and Iran is no Iraq! Iran has not been starved by a decade of sanctions and is actually pretty strong militarily. The Revolutionary Guard are very professional and deadly. Hell, even the women are deadly, lol check this out http://youtube.com/watch?v=09-ppmxaVno

 

And Iran has new toys such as the different variation of the Shahab (the latest being -3) that can reach Israel and any American military base in the region.

 

One of the ways Zionists/USA will try to weaken Iran is by arming various Arab separatists and Kurds to create internal havoc. Do not be surprised if you see this in the near future. Also, the use of Azaris (Iranian Azeris) to promote irredentism with Azerbaijan is a possibility.

Edited June 9, 2007 by AK-47

[AK-47]

But guys please, if you guys really think this way "Muslims > Americans + Zionists" then we have a serious problem.

There is a saying that my father repeats alot. He always says that «Եթէ ամէն արաբները (or տաճիկները) օր մը միանան եւ ամէն մէկը, մէկ հատ քար նետէ Իսրայէլի վրայ, Իսրայէլը քարի տակ կը մնայ եւ քարտեսներէն կը կորսուի»:

 

Times are changing. Nukes are not an option anymore and the "invincible" Israeli army was recently beaten militarily by a bunch of guerrillas w/ Katyushas and Qassams. It is not Yom Kippur anymore man, you can't base yourself on that Six Day war. That was almost 50 years ago!! America is losing to a bunch of people with sandals, 50 year old Soviet weaponry and homemade bombs. The sleeping dragon, China, is set to become a superpower in the near future. Politics have changed alot in 50 years and the balances are shifting.

 

Not alot of people would imagine the fall of the Roman Empire and the Soviet Union. They are all gone now and importantly, Armenia is a free and independent country despite 70 years of non-existance.

[AK-47]

And, you shouldn't blame the damn Jews for the Palestinian exile. Blame the UN for giving the Jews their Lands, in 1949.

It was the Jews who got the UN to give it to them and it was the Jews who turned on the Palestinians and then threw them out.

 

The Muslims community in Lebanon is ruining Lebanon. "Death to Israel" "Down with Judaism", all these chants, you think Israel isn't going to take any actions?

 

I can assure you that the Muslim Lebanese is more patriotic than the Christian Lebanese. All those Lebanese spies for Israel are Christian Lebanese and some Sunnis that sell their country out. And why are you surprised by these chants...Israel has invaded Lebanon twice in the last 25 years and has occupied Lebanon for 18 years + the Shebaa that still remain occupied. It has destroyed Lebanon and continues to destroy Lebanon...

[Sassun]

The chances of a full-scale Iran War are slim and lets hope it remains as slim as possible, for Armenia's sake. USA does not have the ressources necessary to attack Iran at the moment as Shahan mentioned. Its army is stretched too thin and Iran is no Iraq! Iran has not been starved by a decade of sanctions and is actually pretty strong militarily. The Revolutionary Guard are very professional and deadly. Hell, even the women are deadly, lol check this out http://youtube.com/watch?v=09-ppmxaVno

 

And Iran has new toys such as the different variation of the Shahab (the latest being -3) that can reach Israel and any American military base in the region.

 

One of the ways Zionists/USA will try to weaken Iran is by arming various Arab separatists and Kurds to create internal havoc. Do not be surprised if you see this in the near future. Also, the use of Azaris (Iranian Azeris) to promote irredentism with Azerbaijan is a possibility.

Iran has also placed its nuclear facilities in strategic positions in the gulf! any attack on these facilities might end up contaminating the entire gulf . Check this out , the Bushehr station is located Saudtsineroon kitin dag LOL

 

http://www.spiegel.de/img/0,1020,565342,00.jpg

 

wasn't it the Revolutionary Guards who recently branded American ships in the gulf with their logo ? LOL

 

and the women police are coooool !!!!!!!!! :D

Edited June 9, 2007 by Sassun

[Sassun]

Oh will you shut up with that bullshit already? Why do you immediately blame everything you don't like on CNN and Fox News? FYI, I LIVED there in Iran for many many years. It's faaaaaaaaaaar far faaaaar worse on their own Media.

Yes so what ? What is wrong with chanting ? Now you have a problem with the chanting but do not see anything wrong with the actual KILLING ?

So if they kill without chanting, like USA & Israel had been doing (but now they seem to have a chant "Islamofascists" / "war on terror" ) , then that will be considered fine by you ?

 

Btw , why don't you talk about the roots of the anger and hatred (which is aimed at the U.S government and not the people, as Shahan rightly pointed out ) ? why not talk about the Mossad and CIA who used to help SAVAK (Iranian intelligence services ) to kill and torture and imprison thousands of Iranian dissidents ? Moreover , while the Iranian people might not be big fans of the theocratic regime in place now, they are aware that the other alternative is sh***y , that is, the restoration of a Shah regime , which the so-called Iranian "opposition" (Shah's fan club) in "exile" want !

Edited June 9, 2007 by Sassun

[Sip]

The roots of the anger is the muslims just can't get along with anyone. They have this instinctive need to convert everyone to their bullshit religion. THAT is the roots of all the problems in the world. The same with the dumb ass Christians. You freaking religeous types have ruined the world for far too long.

[Sassun]

The roots of the anger is the muslims just can't get along with anyone. They have this instinctive need to convert everyone to their bullshit religion. THAT is the roots of all the problems in the world. The same with the dumb ass Christians. You freaking religeous types have ruined the world for far too long.

Really ? So Muslims cannot get along with Armenians either ? That is why Armenians still live in Lebanon, in Syria, in Iran, in Iraq , in Jordan , in Dubai, etc , right ? That is why Armenians in Palestine fled along with the Muslim (and Christian) Palestinians from the terrorism of the jews , right ? That is why thousands of Jews lived in Palestine before the advent of zionism , right ?

 

I will tell you what the roots of the anger is : the jewish backstabbing of Muslims when both lived in peace side by side for centuries in Palestine . the zionists are the cancer of the Middle East.

[Sip]

That's why when there are any muslims with any sort of power, there is DEATH for non-muslims.

[Sip]

I will tell you what the roots of the anger is : the jewish backstabbing of Muslims when both lived in peace side by side for centuries in Palestine . the zionists are the cancer of the Middle East.

 

You flockers have been blaming the "Zionists" a lot recently. Why exactly did the Armenians perish when Turkey decided to clean up the non-muslims? Were we "Zionists" in 1915 too? This is the most pathetic excuse I have ever heard and it's purely an excuse to further the call of Islam to anihilate anyone who disagrees with it. Armenians in Iran have been VERY lucky that the masses are still not hard core "Hezb Allah" and wouldn't stand for their government irradicating hordes of non-muslims. In Lebannon, the non-muslims have the tremendous advantage of having some decent numbers to survive.

 

But if Hizb Allah had it's way, the whole world would be converted or simply killed. Don't doubt that for a second. They are the Hezb of Allah ... they do NOT recognize anyone's right to believe otherwise. The only reason they have given up trying to enforce their Islamic agenda in Lebanon (politically) is because they know they do not have enough support in the population for their bullshit views.

Edited June 9, 2007 by Sip

[Sassun]

You flockers have been blaming the "Zionists" a lot recently. Why exactly did the Armenians perish when Turkey decided to clean up the non-muslims? Were we "Zionists" in 1915 too? This is the most pathetic excuse I have ever heard and it's purely an excuse to further the call of Islam to anihilate anyone who disagrees with it. Armenians in Iran have been VERY lucky that the masses are still not hard core "Hezb Allah" and wouldn't stand for their government irradicating hordes of non-muslims. In Lebannon, the non-muslims have the tremendous advantage of having some decent numbers to survive.

First , I have said this before & will say this again, the Armenian Genocide was not based on Turks being Muslim but their Turkishness !!! (the distinction between "Turkish Muslims" and "Arab Muslims" that was made in this very thread (look it up ) is only an expression of the idea that it was TURKISHNESS/TURKISM that brought about the Genocide , and this can also explain the Turkish lack of respect for minorities throughout its history ,including TODAY its attitudes towards Kurds who are MUSLIMS ).

Turkish Muslims ==> Genocide.

Arab Muslims ==> No Genocide.

 

Turkish/Arab is the variable. The end result also varies. Therefore, the constant cannot explain the Genocide !!!

 

Your hatred has blinded you to facts. Wow, so Iran is less hard core than Hezb Allah ? LOL That is news to me. I sat in the Hezb Allah tents for weeks , and not once did I hear nor see any hateful comment or behavior towards Christians , including non-veiled girls/women ! But again oceans away it is always easy to make arguments and throw around accusations of this sort ! I mean , you find nothing wrong with USA's and Israel's actual ACTIONS but find something wrong with mere CHANTS , I think that is a clear indication !

 

The only reason they have given up trying to enforce their Islamic agenda in Lebanon (politically) is because they know they do not have enough support in the population for their bullshit views.

Hm, really ? First , they have not renounced their position on the Islamic republic in Lebanon ! Second , Shi'ites are more than 50% of the population of Lebanon. HezbAllah beat the sh** out of one of the world's most powerful armies/navy/airforce , and it can in a matter of hours wipe out the entire army (more than half the officer rank in the army are Shiites anyway and will desert if the army tries to disarm Hezb Allah ) , and all the so-called leaders of sects , and bring about an Islamic republic . the difference between Hezb Allah on the one hand ,and the Kata'eb and Ouwwet (Lebanese Forces) nutcases on the other hand, is that while H.A would not seek to achieve its agenda by force , the latter would do so if they had the means . Before the civil war in Lebanon, it was the Muslims who had lived in Lebanon as "dhimmis" (if you like the term so much ) while the Christians had virtual control over everything in the country , and the Muslims lived in poverty and underrepresentation (especially the Shiites who were effectively shut out from the national pact even ) . When Muslims in Lebanon wanted their equal share , the Christians refused to discuss things peacefully and arrive to a solution/formula ! The Christians & jews conspired , and Ariel Sharon's agenda was explicitly (he stated it ) to create a new order in the Middle East , and the Christians were his soldiers (first the Kataeb then the LF then the "Guardians of Cedars" & SLA ) !!!!

Edited June 9, 2007 by Sassun

[Sassun]

Btw Sip , as someone who is very much involved in the Shiite community (and therefore with HezbAllah support base) and also HezbAllah membership , HezbAllah's attitudes towards Armenians is one of UTTER RESPECT AND AWE (and they themselves say how the Armenians have unlike the Palestinians only brought good and constructive things to Lebanon !!!) . You will not even find this sort of attitude in your beloved "Christian" Kata'eb or Lebanese Forces unless Armenians become their slaves , that is the only time that they will "love" and "respect" Armenians !!!

[Sassun]

Here are some poll results published today :

 

800 people of various sects and regions in Lebanon took part in this poll

 

65% said that the events in North Lebanon are related to Welsh's latest visit

54% said that Syrian intelligence was behind Fateh al Islam

83% said that Fateh al Islam is an extension of Al Qaida

53% said that the war in the North reduced sectarian tensions

 

Please look at the 54% (2nd one ). Note that the government supporters claim that the government has the majority of Lebanese people's support. By majority they do not mean a 51-49% division between pro-govnt' and anti-govnt'. They mean that the opposition are "awham" (illusions/fantasies) , they do not exist really , they are just a few thousand in numbers , etc. Also note that many in the opposition , in particular most of the supporters of Aoun , are still paranoid about Syrian involvement in Lebanon to this day . Now , 1+1 = 2 , what does the 54% number show ?? it shows that the support for the arguments and policies of the government has dropped waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay too much. Way way too much. Or , it is a confirmation of the fact that the government did not have more than 30% of Lebanese people's support , pretty much most (but not all ) of the Sunni & Druze (they do not number more than 250,000 in total !!) sects and a few Christians here and there , and some Ramgavars not to forget the Ramgavars lest they feel forgotten .

[Sassun]

One more thing !!!

 

When the Kata'eb / Leb. Front was trying to eliminate all rivals and forcefully unify all Christian ranks , they managed to destroy the Numur (Tigers ) of Cham`oun & attempted to destroy Marada (Frangieh ) (the war criminal Samir Geagea was the one who took part in the Ehden massacre in which Tony Frangieh and his wife & daughter were killed ) , they could not manage to turn Armenians into their slaves !!!! Not by force nor anything else !!! Which is why they are still hateful towards Armenians . Despite that , there are some Armenian էշէկներ who worship Kata'eb/LF!! Go figure !!!!

Edited June 9, 2007 by Sassun

[ArmoPhil]

Btw Sip , as someone who is very much involved in the Shiite community (and therefore with HezbAllah support base) and also HezbAllah membership , HezbAllah's attitudes towards Armenians is one of UTTER RESPECT AND AWE (and they themselves say how the Armenians have unlike the Palestinians only brought good and constructive things to Lebanon !!!) . You will not even find this sort of attitude in your beloved "Christian" Kata'eb or Lebanese Forces unless Armenians become their slaves , that is the only time that they will "love" and "respect" Armenians !!!

Really? That's why Monte Melkonian was defending the Armenians in BourjHammoud from invading Muslims during the Civil war.. Right?

Edited June 9, 2007 by ArmoPhil