The Situation In Lebanon

[Sip]

Are Americans happy that their sons are dying in Iraq for zionist wet dreams ?

 

As far as the Americans are concerned, their sons are dying in Iraq so their wives and daughters don't die in New York buildings. No one here is happy about anything in that part of the world. The "Zionist wet dream" is more propaganda with the media you are exposed to than anything else (I know it is hard for you to understand this but just as you think we are brainwashed here, we think you are brainwashed there -- obviously the truth is somewhere in the middle).

 

I guess you wouldn't understand why I support the US invasion of Iraq unless you grew up the way I did ... witnessing all the women and children, kurds, and Iranian villages Sadam burned with his mustard gas and other chemical weapons. I guess if you had grown up watching millions die in a pointless war by Sadam, you too would not see what US is doing as "Zionist wet dream". But if it is a "Zionist wet dream" to want the world to be rid of people like Sadam, then God damnit, I am a Zionist!!!!

Edited June 11, 2007 by Sip

[Sassun]

As far as the Americans are concerned, their sons are dying in Iraq so their wives and daughters don't die in New York buildings. No one here is happy about anything in that part of the world.

Really ? So you are saying ? There was a connection betw. Iraq & 9/11 ? LOL come on man... this is tooooooooooooooooooooooooo old , this argument has been buried and has a tombstone already !

[Sassun]

I guess you wouldn't understand why I support the US invasion of Iraq unless you grew up the way I did ... witnessing all the women and children, kurds, and Iranian villages Sadam burned with his mustard gas and other chemical weapons. I guess if you had grown up watching millions die in a pointless war by Sadam, you too would not see what US is doing as "Zionist wet dream". But if it is a "Zionist wet dream" to want the world to be rid of people like Sadam, then God damnit, I am a Zionist!!!!

Can you tell me who was providing Saddam with those weapons ? :)

 

And can you also tell me who handed Lebanon over to Ba'athist Syria for 30 years , notwithstanding Condie's lie that America has been working on getting Syria out of Lebanon for the past 30 years?

Edited June 11, 2007 by Sassun

[Sip]

Really ? So you are saying ? There was a connection betw. Iraq & 9/11 ? LOL come on man... this is tooooooooooooooooooooooooo old , this argument has been buried and has a tombstone already !

 

No. I didn't say any such thing. I know you want to add rediculous arguments but please, spare your drama for your mama.

[Sip]

Can you tell me who was providing Saddam with those weapons ? :)

 

The US.

[Sip]

By the way, before you ask, yah it was the Russians supplying Iran. So what's the point?

 

It doesn't change the fact that Sadam HAD the weapons and used them on numerous occasions while the whole world didn't do a DAMN thing about it.

Edited June 11, 2007 by Sip

[Sassun]

The US.

Good.

 

And who was supporting Saddam in his attack on Iran ?

 

And who encouraged Saddam to invade Kuwait ?

 

Now , you are telling me Americans are dying in Iraq , because of what ? Or for what ?

 

I do not get your point, what is the connection betw. Iraq & 9/11 , that you said : "their sons are dying in Iraq so their wives and daughters don't die in New York buildings."

[Sip]

"their sons are dying in Iraq so their wives and daughters don't die in New York buildings."

 

Let me make it as simple as possible. You see the world in terms of Iran, Iraq, Kuwait, Israel, Shiite, Sunnies and a whole bunch of other sutff. The peole here see the world as US, Canada, Mexico, Europe, China, India, Russia, Affrica, and a bunch of crazy muslims running around the middle east. They don't give a DAMN about who "specifically" was responsible for 9/11 in the middle east. All they know is that the majority of the muslim world is the enemy since Islam cannot coexist with anything else.

 

Yes yes I am well aware of your wonderful theories on Islam but as I have said before, there is what you think, and there is real life.

Edited June 11, 2007 by Sip

[Sip]

And NO, I do not think like that but you asked about how "Americans" feel in general and I gave you an answer about how I see things over here in the US.

[Sassun]

Let me make it as simple as possible. You see the world in terms of Iran, Iraq, Kuwait, Israel, Shiite, Sunnies and a whole bunch of other sutff. The peole here see the world as US, Canada, Mexico, Europe, China, India, Russia, Affrica, and a bunch of crazy muslims running around the middle east. They don't give a DAMN about who "specifically" was responsible for 9/11 in the middle east. All they know is that the majority of the muslim world is the enemy since Islam cannot coexist with anything else.

 

Yes yes I am well aware of your wonderful theories on Islam but as I have said before, there is what you think, and there is real life.

Really ? Is that really the case I wonder ? Clearly , the U.S , as primary consumer of energy , especially oil , cannot afford such an attitude . And if it does base its policies on such attitudes , then this proves my theory that Americans are stupid or slaves of the zionazis and the zionist media (i.e. war ) machine . Btw , early in the 70s , before the collapse of the Shah's regime , political Islam (/Islamism) was pretty much non-existent or otherwise dormant , and who woke up this sleeping giant ? not the Mossad/CIA-supported brutalities of the Shah's regime ? Not the U.S-supported/funded brutalities of Saddam Hussein ? Not the dictatorships of Mubarak & "King" of Jordan supported by the U.S ? In the case of Saudi Arabia it was the U.S-"friendly" Wahabi-Salafi regime that regularly builds madrassahs all over the world to spread Wahabism and Salafism . Oh wait , Taliban ? the Mujahideen ? Who created those ? Ooops. There's a phrase in Arabic , (inqilab al sahar `ala al sahir) انقلاب السحر على الساحر you know what it means ? It roughly translates to , the magic turning against the magician.

 

The bottom line is , neither Iraq 2003 nor Lebanon 2006 nor Iran 2007(2008?) will solve anything . it is time for Americans to stop this rhetoric of victimization and righteousness , and look in the mirror , or else they are doomed to fighting zionism's wars and sending their sons to fight for the "chosen people" , over and over and over again, forever and ever. It'd be funny if it weren't so disgusting (for e.g. see how far USA is willing to go because it does not want to shake off the liability that zionazism is !!!)

Edited June 11, 2007 by Sassun

[Sassun]

This is interesting , though we do not know as of yet if this alleged interview is actual or fabricated , since it was allgedly given to a U.S journl "Defense News " and given that some of the sections in the article seem more like propaganda than something that Iranian officials would do, let alone say they would do !

 

http://www.defensenews.com/story.php?F=2799730&C=mideast

 

“The U.S. will be as surprised with Iranian military capabilities as the Israelis were with Hizbollah in last summer’s war in Lebanon,” he said. “Most of our people are confident we would give the Americans hell and likely emerge victorious.”

[Sassun]

Not to mention that a background check on the author puts much of the article (the illogical parts of it at least , for e.g. the Al-Qaida issue ) into doubt , this guy has given talks at NATO meetings , and seems to be one of the many so-called 'analysts' that have been recruited by the neo-cons to beat the drums of war.

[Sassun]

Do you see Christians taking the streets after some douche bag insulted Christ? No.

No, they just bombed Iraq to smithereens based on non-existing "WMD"s!!!!

 

Chants vs actions.

 

Apparently , chants are worse !

[Shahan Araradian]

By the way, before you ask, yah it was the Russians supplying Iran. So what's the point?

 

It doesn't change the fact that Sadam HAD the weapons and used them on numerous occasions while the whole world didn't do a DAMN thing about it.

LOL. How naive you are Sip! You really think that the U.S. went after Saddam for throwing chemical on 5,000 Kurds?!?

[Sassun]

While Israel would get away legally with a pre-emptive strike (due to the USA's veto power in the biased UN), Iran would be hit hard with sanctions. Let's just hope things remain as they are, for now. We don't need our Iranian friends hurt at a time when we need them the most.

LOL, Սուրիացիները ինչ՞ գիտեն որ ճիշտ ընել: «Բերուշան» են ատոնք: jk.

It is not in the interests of all Western and developed countries that Iran would be hit with sanctions . Plus , the food-for-oil can never work against Iran, because Iran has its own large-scale industries and can operate them to provide much of its domestic consumption needs. The only downside would be the decrease in revenues that would result from the exports crisis.

FYI , 7 of the top 10 export destinations for Iranian oil are OECD countries (Pacific / Europe ). The top 5 export destinations are : Japan , China , South Korea , Italy , France

 

The USA is not even on the top 10 list.

 

Այո Սուրեացիները «բերուշան» են: Բայց Առիւծ Հաֆէզը աղուէսին մէկն էր: Տղան «բերուշան»ին մէկը կերեւի կոր: Ամէն պարաքայի, Լիբանանցիներուն չի հասնիր ապուշութեան կողմէ:

[Sip]

You really think that the U.S. went after Saddam for throwing chemical on 5,000 Kurds?!?

 

Of course not. But I also am not naive to think like you guys do in that everything the US does is for the jews. You guys need to see the bigger picture .. in the end, the US is out there after it's own interests. As much as you think highly of the Arabs and the muslims, it is NOT in the best interests of the US right now to let them run around getting too powerful in the region. Iraq was a significant strategic advantage for US. However, UNFORTUNATELY, the people in charge have been entirely incompetent and completely messed up and miss managed the war there. But if you really think the US went in there because of Israel, I think you shouldn't be so quick to call other people "naive"

[Shahan Araradian]

And NO, I do not think like that but you asked about how "Americans" feel in general and I gave you an answer about how I see things over here in the US.

Speak for yourself. I've been raised and I currently live in the U.S., too. And I don't tolerate Zionism (nor any type of racism and apartheid).

 

Our tax dollars should be spent improving our OWN American lives. They should NOT be used to fund Israeli terrorism in Lebanon, Palestine, Iraq, and Iran.

 

U.S. troops have nothing to do in Iraq. Neither Saddam nor Iran had ever threatened the American way of life.

Edited June 11, 2007 by Shahan Araradian

[Sip]

Our tax dollars should be spent improving our OWN American lives. They should NOT be used to fund Israeli terrorism in Lebanon, Palestine, Iraq, and Iran.

 

U.S. troops have nothing to do in Iraq. Neither Saddam nor Iran had ever threatened the American way of life.

 

Dear Shahan, on that part, I COMPLETELY agree with you. I really don't think we should support terrorism in Iran, Iraq, Israel, Lebanon, Palestine, or anywhere else. But unfortunately, the US had a hand in making Iran and Iraq and Afghanistan what they are and now "we" have to deal with it. First it was Afghanistan, now it's Iraq. Iran will be next but I sincerely hope no one will be stupid enough to try the "Bush" way with Iran.

Edited June 11, 2007 by Sip

[Sassun]

the US is out there after it's own interests. As much as you think highly of the Arabs and the muslims, it is NOT in the best interests of the US right now to let them run around getting too powerful in the region.

Too powerful ? Iraq was powerful ? I must have missed something. I guess they just confused w/ the last letter , instead of n they saw q !!!!

 

If what you say is true and they were going after their own interests and not zionist interests , either they are stupid, or they are stupid, or they are stupid ! !!!!

[Shahan Araradian]

It is not in the interests of all Western and developed countries that Iran would be hit with sanctions . Plus , the food-for-oil can never work against Iran, because Iran has its own large-scale industries and can operate them to provide much of its domestic consumption needs.

...And coupled with a nice self-sufficient nuclear power program to provide for its own electricity, Iran will be completely self-sufficient!

 

That is what the Zionists DON'T want! A self-sufficient country in the Middle East that is on par with Israel!

 

I argue that such an Iran DOES NOT pose a threat to America!! Iran has nothing to do with America. They've never threatened it, nor care for the U.S. that's oceans away.

[Shahan Araradian]

Dear Shahan, on that part, I COMPLETELY agree with you.

Thanks Sip.

[Sip]

Too powerful ? Iraq was powerful ?

 

Sassun, take it easy a bit. READ what I have said, think a bit, and then reply if you feel like it. Right now we are going back and forth with you taking a little phrase and dramatizing it. I didn't say Iraq was too powerful. I said the Arabs and Muslims in the region shouldn't be let to get too powerful. And Iraq is a great stategic vantage point to have many US bases as there is direct access from Iraq into Iran and Syria.

 

[Sassun]

...And coupled with a nice self-sufficient nuclear power program to provide for its own electricity, Iran will be completely self-sufficient!

 

That is what the Zionists DON'T want! A self-sufficient country in the Middle East that is on par with Israel!

 

I argue that such an Iran DOES NOT pose a threat to America!! Iran has nothing to do with America. They've never threatened it, nor care for the U.S. that's oceans away.

at any rate , Iran does not even have the ability to deliver nukes all the way to USA ! If anyone should be worried it'd be the mediterreanean guys. Օրինակի համար՝ թուրքերը: Պէտք է տակերնին ընեն: Բայց եթէ Ամերիկացիները չի կրնան զարնել Իրանի վստահ եղիր որ պիտի «օգնեն» Սաուտցիներուն որ իրենք ալ հիւլեական ռումբ շինեն: Այդ տարբեր հարց որ Իրանը հիւլեական ռումբի ետեւէն չէ:

[Dave]

To those who were talking about Lebanon's ethnic and religious mixture in certain regions...

If there are some Muslims in majority Christian areas, then there are Christians and Druze in majority Muslim areas too, no? For example, in the South, there are some Christian villages.

 

Օրինակի համար՝ թուրքերը:

 

եւ յահուտիները

[Sassun]

Sassun, take it easy a bit. READ what I have said, think a bit, and then reply if you feel like it. Right now we are going back and forth with you taking a little phrase and dramatizing it. I didn't say Iraq was too powerful. I said the Arabs and Muslims in the region shouldn't be let to get too powerful. And Iraq is a great stategic vantage point to have many US bases as there is direct access from Iraq into Iran and Syria.

Define "too powerful", please....

Was HezbAllah "too powerful " that the U.S & Israel were throwing a tantrum about it ? (if yes , then you are admitting that HezbAllah won the war )

Does HezbAllah pose a threat to USA ?

Or to Israel ? What kind of threat does HezbAllah pose to Israel ? Not an existential one . Only a deterrent one and one which can be put to use to free prisoners for example.

The war on Lebanon for example was not about the level of threat that HezbAllah posed to Israel , but rather on the fact that HezbAllah had kicked Israel out of Lebanon and did not do what Egypt had done (i.e. "land for peace" ) . the israelis succeeded in sinai , so far they have succeeded in golan and west bank and failed in Gaza and Lebanon !!!! That also explains the behavior right now against Hamas , when Hamas had adhered to its word on keeping the ceasefire. Pls revise Hamas's history as wel as hezbAllah's and you will see that both have always stood by their promises in cases of ceasefire and it has always been Israel to violate the ceasefire and provoke both .

 

Anyway , what threat does Hamas , a local Palestinian resistance against Israel , pose to USA or even Europe , or anyone else ? What is in it for USA that it is starving the Palestinian people just because they VOTED for Hamas ? Is that also a "personal interest" that USA is thinking of ?