The Situation In Lebanon

[Shahan Araradian]

I might sound fanatic, but I think the only way to get rid of this Zionism is by having a 2nd Hitler. The Jews are too strong, no revolution would have its chance to evolve.

As long as the Zionists have a hold over the minds of the "masses" (by dominating what's ON people's [especially Americans'] minds via controlling corporate media: newspapers, television, radio) it will be a difficult, but not impossible task.

 

The Internet, especially the World Wide Web service, has greatly democratized the creation and dissemination of news, pulling out the Zionist "middle-man" in interpreting our news and world view... And this forum is but one example of this democratization.

 

Let the PEOPLE create media!! Not some corporations!! Not some corporations with their own interests, and often controlled by Zionists!

 

Viva Citizen Media!

 

(Have any of you seen the movie, "The Corporation"? You may preview it here:

And the DivX... http://cache.torrentspy.com/download.asp?id=915889)

 

Having removed the middlemen in communication, the Internet (along with the fledgling Robotics and Artificial General Intelligence Revolutions) may very well enable the masses [especially the American masses] to (1) realize how Zionism is destroying the U.S. and creating a dangerous world, and (2) unite against Zionism for the benefit of World Humanity.

Edited June 12, 2007 by Shahan Araradian

[Sip]

Having removed the middlemen in communication, the Internet (along with the fledgling Robotics and Artificial General Intelligence Revolutions) may very well enable the masses [especially the American masses] to (1) realize how Zionism is destroying the U.S. and creating a dangerous world, and (2) unite against Zionism for the benefit of World Humanity.

 

Good information on the Internet is difficult to find. Just look at this thread for example. There is so much biased misinformation and just pure repeat of both Anti-Zionist owned Al Jazeera and Zionist owned CNN propaganda that is very disturbing.

 

The downside of the Internet will be just that .. the sheer volume of "crap" will continue to expand exponentially while good info will get harder and harder to find. Unless search engine technology gets a lot better, the outlook is not that good.

Edited June 12, 2007 by Sip

[Shahan Araradian]

Good information on the Internet is difficult to find. Just look at this thread for example.

I am more optimistic. I think citizens can create better media than ANY corporation can, and citizens can create MORE RELIABLE media than any corporation can, because corporations have their OWN interests when they're creating media.

 

I consider this thread enlightening! And am very excited that we're living in a time when I can experience REAL Citizen Media, because we've just made it here over the course of the last few days right here on this thread:

 

1) I received first-hand intelligence about what is going on in Lebanon from Sasun (I cut the middleman "CNN" out of the loop, as well as its Zionist producers)

2) I received some feedback on what others in Canada think, reaffirming my view that in Quebec the media is more free than the corporate and Zionist controlled media outlets in the U.S., and therefore actually have free-thinkers in Canada.

3) I looked at the feedback from you (Sip) and the Ramgavar from Fresno Sako, reaffirming my belief that the vast majority of Americans have a world view as presented to them by Zionists

4) And I think I've contributed my two cents on the situation on the ground here in America to the rest of our geographically distributed readers: control of the media, and the attitudes of the average American

Edited June 12, 2007 by Shahan Araradian

[Sip]

3) I looked at the feedback from you (Sip) and the Ramgavar from Fresno Sako, reaffirming my belief that the vast majority of Americans have a world view as presented to them by Zionists

 

And there you have it! Your biases completely blind your objectivity I know I know you are very much convinced that everyone who doesn't agree with you is influenced by those evil evil Zionists but that doesn't make it true just because you are convinced of it.

 

That is exactly the problem with "citizen media" (or any media). It is almost impossible to find "unbiased" media.

[Shahan Araradian]

And there you have it! Your biases completely blind your objectivity I know I know you are very much convinced that everyone who doesn't agree with you is influenced by those evil evil Zionists but that doesn't make it true just because you are convinced of it.

 

That is exactly the problem with "citizen media" (or any media). It is almost impossible to find "unbiased" media.

Anything ever written by anyone is biased.

 

That is obvious.

 

The question is: which media is written in the BEST INTEREST of the American people? which media is written in the BEST INTEREST of population X?

 

When you've got peer-reviewed media, chances are it is more in the interest of the PEOPLE rather than in the best interest of a special-interest group such as a corporation or Zionism.

Edited June 12, 2007 by Shahan Araradian

[Sip]

I give you a simple example how you, Shahan, let your objectivity be clouded by your fixation on "Zionists". I said Iraq burned down entire villages during the Iran Iraq war. I said millions died in that war. What was your first reaction? To simply blow me off as someone who is "biased by Zionist controlled Media" and the Wolf Blitzers etc etc etc ... I have counted how many times you have said it but I won't embarass you again by repeating

 

Now of course you completely failed to realize that I was raised in Iran and lived there throughout the war with Iraq. I saw the reports first hand on the Iranian media which I hope you will agree is NOT zionist controlled. I am not claiming their media is somehow very objective or great ... but it just goes to show you how far off you can be when you jump the gun without being OBJECTIVE!

 

[Shahan Araradian]

I give you a simple example how you, Shahan, let your objectivity be clouded by your fixation on "Zionists". I said Iraq burned down entire villages during the Iran Iraq war. I said millions died in that war. What was your first reaction? To simply blow me off as someone who is "biased by Zionist controlled Media" and the Wolf Blitzers etc etc etc ... I have counted how many times you have said it but I won't embarass you again by repeating

 

Now of course you completely failed to realize that I was raised in Iran and lived there throughout the war with Iraq. I saw the reports first hand on the Iranian media which I hope you will agree is NOT zionist controlled. I am not claiming their media is somehow very objective or great ... but it just goes to show you how far off you can be when you jump the gun without being OBJECTIVE!

You mean to tell us that the Iranians were feeding anti-Iranian propaganda to their own people? LOL.

 

Anyways, it doesn't matter what exactly Iraq did during the war with Iran. Leveling villages (indeed cities) is part of war -- remember Hiroshima and Nagasaki? Or London or Berlin?

 

That is no grounds for one country (the U.S.A.) to attack another country (Iraq) for Iraq's actions on a third country (Iran) which as we have mentioned was FUNDED by the U.S. itself! The U.S. sold weapons to Iraq via Sarkis Soghonalian during the Iran Iraq war. Iraq never threatened the U.S. -- that is the ONLY grounds in which one country may attack another.

 

I've been quite objective:

1) We have established that Wolf Blitzer is a Zionist and a member of AIPAC. That's like hearing the news from one of bin Ladin's top lieutenants. (therefore, viewer of CNN beware)

2) We have established that Hezbollah is a social organization in Lebanon with popular support among Lebanese Shias, and that their military wing is a RESISTANCE and Self-defense army that is protecting large parts of Lebanon. (therefore, beware of anyone who claims Hezbollah to be a "terrorist" organization or part of Al Qaeda)

Edited June 12, 2007 by Shahan Araradian

[Sip]

... as we have mentioned was FUNDED by the U.S. itself!

 

I think I was the first to have said that in this thread I am very well aware of that. Russian and US misiles crossing each other in mid air and dropping on poor civilians. That still doesn't change the fact that you think the reason I am not a fan of Hezb Allah is somehow because I am influenced by "Zionists". That couldn't be farther from the truth and until you acknowledge that, we will be going back and forth in this thread with you constantly bringing up how I (or someone else) is influenced by Zionists just because we happen to disagree with you or this fixation you have in trying to put EVERYTHING as somehow in relation to zionists controlling the US or some other repeat of the same old tired topics.

 

[Sip]

By the way, I am no big fan of Israel either. Just because one doesn't like Hezb Allah doesn't necessarily mean one is pro-Israel. Just to clarify as it's often the case where a lot of people who show up here using the word Zionism over and over and over seem to only see the world as having 2 sides

[Shahan Araradian]

I think I was the first to have said that in this thread I am very well aware of that. Russian and US misiles crossing each other in mid air and dropping on poor civilians. That still doesn't change the fact that you think the reason I am not a fan of Hezb Allah is somehow because I am influenced by "Zionists". That couldn't be farther from the truth and until you acknowledge that, we will be going back and forth in this thread with you constantly bringing up how I (or someone else) is influenced by Zionists just because we happen to disagree with you or this fixation you have in trying to put EVERYTHING as somehow in relation to zionists controlling the US or some other repeat of the same old tired topics.

I'm not saying be a fan of Hezbollah. Just don't propagate the wartime propaganda of the Zionists: that Hezbollah uses "human shields" etc, that you wrote earlier.

 

That, you must admit, you obtained from someway or another -- direct or indirect -- from a Zionist source.

 

Zionist control of US mainstream media should be considered when obtaining information from American or British television. There's no harm in reminding readers of this and the role it plays in controlling American public opinion! It is a force to be reckoned with in itself!

Edited June 12, 2007 by Shahan Araradian

[Shahan Araradian]

By the way, I am no big fan of Israel either. Just because one doesn't like Hezb Allah doesn't necessarily mean one is pro-Israel. Just to clarify as it's often the case where a lot of people who show up here using the word Zionism over and over and over seem to only see the world as having 2 sides

Sip, again, I never called you a Zionist or supporter of Israel -- I questioned where you got your particular source from re: Hezbollah's alleged "human shields"

[Sip]

... that Hezbollah uses "human shields" etc, that you wrote earlier.

 

Well they do. They are firing rockets from backyards and completely blend in with the people. ... they hide among the regular people and it is a VERY well known fact that they had been arming the Lebanese side of the border very heavily (of course this became very obvious druing the last war ). What do you expect Israel to do? Just fold over and die? Let this fortification go on until the threat is so large that there is no solution but to blow up EVERYTHING?

 

Just think what would you do if you were Hezb Allah ... would you go make a huge building with a sign on top of it that says "hit here" for Israel? OF COURSE they blend in with the people ... heck even in this thread it was mentioend "they are the people". Yah they are the people but unfortunately, not everyone is Hezb Allah. They are the "shields".

Edited June 12, 2007 by Sip

[Sassun]

Well they do. They are firing rockets from backyards and completely blend in with the people. ... they hide among the regular people

Do you have any proof ? If you do, I would like to see it !

 

and it is a VERY well known fact that they had been arming the Lebanese side of the border very heavily (of course this became very obvious druing the last war ). What do you expect Israel to do? Just fold over and die? Let this fortification go on until the threat is so large that there is no solution but to blow up EVERYTHING?

Israel is armed to its teeth. What do you want the Lebanese to do : just fold over and die ? When the Shi'a of the South were practically UNARMED, we all saw what Israel did, in the 60s and 70s ! So , if people are going to die anyway, they'd rather die on their feet than live (or die !) on their knees ! Or only Israelis have that kind of "dignity" ?

 

 

 

[Sassun]

Btw Sip , according to Amnesty International , HezbAllah does not hold human shields. And also according to Amnesty Int'l and Human Rights Watch, Israel deliberately positioned its military / artillery bases and reserve unit gathering points in civilian areas, IN THE HEART of towns (kibbutzim), cities , and Arab villages . They also deliberately conducted training in Arab villages, effectively (not according to me !, but according to these human rights org's ) using the Arabs as human shields. Of course, Israel denied this, but a number of strikes on military bases , such as the one in Meron , which killed a 7-year-old boy and his grandmother , is adequate proof of this , as was the strike on Kibbutz Kfar Giladi in which 12 Israeli soldiers were killed INSIDE the town.

 

Now, HezbAllah was not bombing roads , it was not bombing anything that moved, so what is the excuse that these people did not leave ? We know the Arabs have nowhere to go since most Arabs are located in North (the Triangle) and few have relatives elsewhere to go to , and we know also that almost all live below poverty line and cannot afford to leave , not to mention that they have learned their lesson from 1948 and are afraid that if they leave they will not be able to go back to their villages (it happened, even to those Arabs who later became Israeli citizens , they could not return to their original villages, they are not allowed to, to this day ! many are Christians btw , for example some of the inhabitants of Bassa who somehow managed to stay behind in 1948 (the rest fled to Lebanon ) cannot now go and live in the village/town that was built on the destroyed village even though they have the deeds to their land, etc. ! ) . So we know Arabs cannot leave , and Arab citizens do not have shelters in their towns (deliberately) , but we also know that Jews have shelters , and HezbAllah rockets are not smart / bunker-busting bombs , so what were these people doing 'above ground' ? Or rather, what were they doing in the north , which was a war zone ? So you are saying that if civilians remain in South Lebanon they are human shields , but if civilians remain in North Israel , they are not ?

Edited June 12, 2007 by Sassun

[Sassun]

By the way, I am no big fan of Israel either. Just because one doesn't like Hezb Allah doesn't necessarily mean one is pro-Israel. Just to clarify as it's often the case where a lot of people who show up here using the word Zionism over and over and over seem to only see the world as having 2 sides

So you did not answer my question: are you happy that your taxpayer money is going to the war machine of the so-called "chosen people" ? I mean, what good comes out of it for you and your country ?

[DominO123]

Can I note that there was an Armenian Legion in the Wehrmacht? Commanded by Tashnag Dro to get an independent and free Armenia? Imagine the world today if the Jews of 1945 weren't dead. The goal of Zionism would be accomplished by now.

 

You mean the 18,000 Armenians mostly prisoners of war? There was between 300,000 to 500,000 Armenians who served for the Soviet Union. The Armenian Legion was sent to the Netherland where most just deserted. Dro servitude for the NAZI had more to do with him "proving" Armenians being Aryan and using the pretext for what he considered plausible war for liberation of Eastern Armenia.

 

There is no justification for an empy war when millions will die. Besides Jews are now more wealthier than they were pre-WW2. Your argument does not make sense at all.

[ArmoPhil]

You mean the 18,000 Armenians mostly prisoners of war? There was between 300,000 to 500,000 Armenians who served for the Soviet Union. The Armenian Legion was sent to the Netherland where most just deserted. Dro servitude for the NAZI had more to do with him "proving" Armenians being Aryan and using the pretext for what he considered plausible war for liberation of Eastern Armenia.

 

There is no justification for an empy war when millions will die. Besides Jews are now more wealthier than they were pre-WW2. Your argument does not make sense at all.

The Armenians that served for the Soviet Union were forced in the conscription. Why do you think there were 18 000 Armenians in the Wehrmacht? To fight the Soviets in order to get Angakh Hayastan. Hitler lost confidence because Armenians SAVED the Jews from getting slaughtered.

[Sassun]

what does the Holocaust and the Soviet Union have to do with the situation in Lebanon ?

[DominO123]

The Armenians that served for the Soviet Union were forced in the conscription. Why do you think there were 18 000 Armenians in the Wehrmacht? To fight the Soviets in order to get Angakh Hayastan. Hitler lost confidence because Armenians SAVED the Jews from getting slaughtered.

 

Don't pull stuff out of your hat, the Armenians were in no position to save Jews. Hitler lost confidence because he never trusted Armenians or Georgians. Those Armenians were mostly prisoners of war and Dro convinced they could be trusted, but as more the Soviet army advanced and more Himler feared from many foreign element. The only Soviet elements who were trully trusted were the Muslims.

[ArmoPhil]

Don't pull stuff out of your hat, the Armenians were in no position to save Jews. Hitler lost confidence because he never trusted Armenians or Georgians. Those Armenians were mostly prisoners of war and Dro convinced they could be trusted, but as more the Soviet army advanced and more Himler feared from many foreign element. The only Soviet elements who were trully trusted were the Muslims.

I can give you a reference on what I said. "Many Jewish soldiers serving in the Red Army and captured as POWs were saved by some of the Armenians in the Legion. Josef Moisevich Kogan, himself a Jewish Red Army soldier captured by German forces, noted the help he received by an Armenian doctor in the 812th when he was snuck into the battalion itself and later escaped with the help of Dutch underground resistance members" Go read the book Banality of Denial. You'll see.

[Sassun]

To get back to the topic at hand , 2 articles about Fateh al Islam , from Hariri newspaper , Al Mustaqbal , in May 2005 :

 

Translation :

 

May 10, 2005

It seems that the Syrian withdrawal from Lebanon and the assassination of prime minister Rafiq Hariri contributed to the strengthening of the Salafi currents that aim at increasing their activities and movements in the next phase, and receive financial and moral support from many Islamic institutions in Kuwait and Saudi Arabia.

(the link in Arabic)

 

May 13, 2005

[The article accuses Syria of] convincing the centers of decision making in the West of the concocted presence of Al Qa'idah in Lebanon, for trading in the Islamic situation in the bazaar of international terrorism.

(the link in Arabic)

 

Enjoy.

Edited June 12, 2007 by Sassun

[ArmoPhil]

what does the Holocaust and the Soviet Union have to do with the situation in Lebanon ?

Read the previous comments and you'll understand.

[AK-47]

I remember before there was a question about how Monte died, here is a post by MosJan on the Monte Melkonian thread.

 

On June 12, 1993 Monte Melkonian was killed

 

[June 11, 2007]

 

In the early morning the self-defense forces of the Martuni region of Nagorno Karabakh began an operation to destroy the military strongholds in the villages of the Aghdam region of Azerbaijan. Everything was going as planned. By noon the operation was over. Monte, Komitas, Saribek, Saro, Hovik, and Gevork entered the Marzili village riding in a Vilis. After examining the territory they were to determine the new positions. When they were approaching a crossroads they noticed an armored vehicle and stopped the Vilis. At a distance of 40 meters a group of soldiers gathered around the vehicle. Komitas, who was wearing an Azerbaijani military uniform, got out of the car and walked towards them. He called to them, “Are you Armenians?” They answered “No” in Azerbaijani. Komitas would later say that the moment he asked the question he knew they were enemy soldiers. He opened fire and retreated. The others jumped out the car and took positions, firing.

 

The vehicle's large-caliber machine-gun joined the enemy's submachine gunners. During the first burst of gunfire, the men were lying on the ground. Monte rushed towards the wall of the nearest house. The second machine-gun burst resounded. It hit the wall… A large fragment of a shell pierced Monte's head. Four of the men were already wounded. Holding Monte, Hovik called for help over the radio transmitter - 00 is shot, 00 is no more… They took position around their commander and continued to resist. The relief forces destroyed the Azerbaijani detachment, and took a prisoner. The reconnaissance chief, Saribek Martirosyan, was bleeding profusely and died as soon as they reached the hospital.

 

See also: @ Hetq.com

 

Ten years ago, Monte Melkonian was killed

 

Small Town Kid

 

Monte Melkonian: hero, intellectual, leader, friend

[AK-47]

May 10, 2005

It seems that the Syrian withdrawal from Lebanon and the assassination of prime minister Rafiq Hariri contributed to the strengthening of the Salafi currents that aim at increasing their activities and movements in the next phase, and receive financial and moral support from many Islamic institutions in Kuwait and Saudi Arabia.

(the link in Arabic)

 

Yep, this "Fatah al-Islam" was supposed to be a Sunni counter-balance to Shi'a Hizb Allah set up by the Saudis and indirectly armed by the USA and Israel.

Edited June 12, 2007 by AK-47

[ArmoPhil]

Yep, this "Fatah al-Islam" was supposed to be a Sunni counter-balance to Shi'a Hizb Allah set up by the Saudis and indirectly armed by the USA and Israel.

You can basically see how these groups are trying to get rid of the Christian community in Lebanon by targeting the north.. Somewhat a "Cultural Genocide".