MosJan Posted June 14, 2007 Report Share Posted June 14, 2007 "FATH EL-ISLAM" AND... ARMENIA * "Al-Akhbar" newspaper, Lebanon, reported in June 12 that the law enforcement structures had detained Ahmed Marey, one of the leaders of "Fath Al-Islam" terrorist organization, which has long been involved in struggle against Lebanese governmental armed forces in Tripoli. The terrorist was arrested in Ashrafiye, Christian community of Beirut. According to information received, Marey had a false passport, representing his name as either Akop or Hakob. He had traveled to Syria, Jordan, Egypt, Cyprus, Denmark, Russia, Iran, Azerbaijan and even Armenia. Pro-Governmental forces of Lebannon assure that Ahmed Marey is in secret cooperation with Syrian special services, and the opposition, including the Armenian national "Dashnaktsutiun" party, believe that he is the person providing link between "Fath Al-Islam" and "Al-Qaeda". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MosJan Posted June 14, 2007 Report Share Posted June 14, 2007 if he was using the passport by name of Hakob or Akob - i seriously don't think that he can enter Azerbaijan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sassun Posted June 14, 2007 Author Report Share Posted June 14, 2007 (edited) Yeah, this is a bit old news, he turns out to be from Gulf... Mosjan, he had a number of faked identities, so if he has indeed traveled to az. then probably he did so with another ID/passport. but one thing, a bit inaccurate, struggle against Lebanese governmental armed forces The army is not a governmental armed force, it is neutral and separate from the political echelons (except loosely related to the Def. Minister). Edited June 14, 2007 by Sassun Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sassun Posted June 14, 2007 Author Report Share Posted June 14, 2007 You say all this crap on the Ramgavars, but will a hardcore Tashnag from Lebanon consider you a Armenian, the answer is a emphatic no.Will a Hunchag consider you a Armenian, No, will a Ramgavar, No. It is none of your business who considers me Armenian and who doesn't. Your family circumstances , which might have been responsible for your inability to learn Armenian, will not save you from my observations that you are nothing short of a hypocrite. Let me know when you become as Armenian as I am and then we can talk about who is "dajeeg" and who isn't. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sassun Posted June 14, 2007 Author Report Share Posted June 14, 2007 looool the puppet (America) has spoken again... the puppeteer (Israel) must be throwing a tantrum given that its other puppets (Fateh) were wiped out in Gaza Strip : The White House on Thursday expressed deep concern about the deteriorating situation in the Gaza Strip and accused the militant Islamist group Hamas of committing "acts of terror" against the Palestinian people. Since when does USA feel so concerned about the lives of Palestinians and whether or not terror is exercised against them? So Palestinians killing traitors and collaborators is "terror", but Israelis killing Palestinian children is "self defence" ? Yeah, makes sense... And if USA thinks it will continue to control Lebanon with this logic , then good luck ! Because in Gaza Strip: Syria 1 - Israel/USA 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
annannimusss Posted June 14, 2007 Report Share Posted June 14, 2007 What if we could not keep the seat? What happened if someone who is not a ally of the people won the seat. This way someone is in power who is an ally of the poeple, and the party, and let me remind you that the party and its coalition kicked out the Syrian Ocupiers and there security service from Lebanon. Letting somone else have the seat for the greater good sounds good to me. And again, let me remind you which party was the one who was doing voter intimidation on its own people, The Tashnags, and they are the party of the people right?They treat the people right huh, by threatening and intimidating people. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sassun Posted June 14, 2007 Author Report Share Posted June 14, 2007 (edited) What if we could not keep the seat? What happened if someone who is not a ally of the people won the seat. This way someone is in power who is an ally of the poeple, and the party, and let me remind you that the party and its coalition kicked out the Syrian Ocupiers and there security service from Lebanon. Letting somone else have the seat for the greater good sounds good to me. And again, let me remind you which party was the one who was doing voter intimidation on its own people, The Tashnags, and they are the party of the people right?They treat the people right huh, by threatening and intimidating people. Ramgavar, I noticed you did not answer the stabbing incident (which was the only voter intimidation against Armenians) in Achrafiye , the target of which was a Tashnag voter ? Syrian occupation ? According to the treaty of brotherhood and cooperation which your very allies (so-called "anti-Syrians") signed , as well as the Ta'ef , the Syrian forces had a legalized stay in Lebanon. And if not, for 15 years ,your very allies were the most loyal of Syria's puppets and oppressed with an iron hand those who truly were against the Syrian occupation, namely the Aounists. I know history does not favour you and your allies. That is why you evade my questions when it comes to "tell me what your (party's) past is". Anti-Syrian , you say ? Very well. I will prove to you what utter b.s you are uttering. This is Walid Jumblatt on 27 september 2003 , from Hariri newspaper Al Mustaqbal : "Let Syria have military bases in Lebanon for its security and to protect its flank in cooperation with the Lebanese Army along the lines of NATO forces in Germany." (link) This is Walid Eido (Future / Hariri movment) , the guy who got assassinated, from Al Mustaqbal newspaper on 2 April 2003: "One wishes that all Arab leaders understand that American threats to Syria are threats to them, including those who march in the American procession. This arrogance will take its full course. If the Americans achieve success in Iraq, they are no more than cardboard leaders over their people." (link) Again Walid Eido, this time on July 21, 2003: "Syria, people, state, and leadership have always been on the side of the Lebanese people, and this step is only a sincere translation of the Syrian affection for Lebanon." (link) Walid Eido, on July 15, 2004: "We are willing to favorably respond to any project that constitute an interest for Syria." (link) ِNot to forget the very anti-Syrian Walid Eido back in Nov. 2002, when the Syrian-controlled government cracked down on Aounists' demonstrations against Syria : "For his own part, MP Walid Eido, member of PM Rafiq Hariri's group of MPs, saluted the wisdom and bravery of the Minister of Interior Elias el Murr in solving the issues that were posed. And he considered that "what the Ministry of Interior did with regards to preventing the rallies is not directed against the freedom of protesting, nor does it take away any such freedom; rather, it came on the basis that the atmosphere of tension and the resort to the street does not allow for nor gives this right its scope and real content at this stage." (link) ُEnjoy my dear Ramgavar. Edited June 14, 2007 by Sassun Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sassun Posted June 14, 2007 Author Report Share Posted June 14, 2007 What if we could not keep the seat? Thanks for proving my point. Sacrificing your people's interests and your principles , for the sake of keeping the seat, is not exactly a very good example of patriotism, but rather, a textbook example of treason. Tashnagtsootyoon could have won if it had abided by Hariri's conditions and the list he had prepared. But it refused to do so. Why? Because we do not sell our principles for a seat. Especially when preserving that seat won't keep the seat Armenian to begin with. So why should we care about preserving that seat anyway? Unless you do not care about Armenian interests and think it more important, from your Ramgavar traitor outlook, to engage in politics merely for the personal benefits it may bestow upon you. Which is exactly my contention. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
annannimusss Posted June 14, 2007 Report Share Posted June 14, 2007 (edited) What principles, Tashnags commiting voter intimidation is not a good principle. I can't belive I am discussing this with a guy who would not even be considered a Armenian by the Tashnags. And I did not see the stabbing thing can you please show me the post, I must have missed it. Edited June 14, 2007 by SakoPasha Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sassun Posted June 14, 2007 Author Report Share Posted June 14, 2007 (edited) What principles, Tashnags commiting voter intimidation is not a good principle. When/where did Tashnags commit voter intimidation? Do you have any proof, from say, international poll observers? Or you will also insist that I present "proof" to disprove your claim, because after all, when a Ramgavar says so, we must take it as God's word... I can't belive I am discussing this with a guy who would not even be considered a Armenian by the Tashnags. First, you are not a Tashnag so you are in no position to speak on behalf of Tashnags on the question of what they would consider me. Second, this Armenian who "might not" be considered an Armenian by Tashnags (says who? your Ramgavar self, acting like a messenger of God, claiming to utter undeniable words of truth) , knows Armenian better (rather, you do not know any Armenian, so it is not even about being "better") than your treacherous Ramgavar self. Your family situation is not of importance to me. Cry me a river. And if you will yell foul play every time I point out to your language deficiency -- by the way language is a far more important element of preservation of Armenian identity than religion has ever been, but that is unrelated to this thread, as is much of what we are talking about at the moment -- then may I suggest that you stop asking for it by calling me "dajeeg"? Edited June 14, 2007 by Sassun Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
annannimusss Posted June 14, 2007 Report Share Posted June 14, 2007 DAJEEG, I can speak Armenian just find, but I can not read and write. Do you want proof, I guess you will have to call me and talk to me. But that will never happen thank God.And I will ask around about the Mosque thing and I will find either today or tommorow just for you, ok DAJEEG. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sassun Posted June 14, 2007 Author Report Share Posted June 14, 2007 (edited) DAJEEG, I can speak Armenian just find, but I can not read and write. Do you want proof, I guess you will have to call me and talk to me. But that will never happen thank God.And I will ask around about the Mosque thing and I will find either today or tommorow just for you, ok DAJEEG. Եթէ տաճիկ է ան, որ գիտէ եւ կը պահպանէ Մաշտոցեան մեր տառերն ու անոնց հմայիչ հնչիւնները, ապա դուն տաճիկէն ալ ցած ես: Ինծի այնպէս կը թուի թէ մտքի մարզանքի կարօտ ես: Հայերէն կարթալ սորվիր, եւ արժանի կ'ըլլաս ինծի պէս «տաճիկի» մը հետ խօսելու: Ո՜վ Աստուած, ներէ Սագոյին, վասնզի չի գիտեր թէ ինչ կ'ընէ: Արդեօ՞ք քեզմէ լաւ գիտեմ ոչ միայն հայերէնը, այլ նաե՞ւ Սուրբ Գիրքը: -Սասուն, եկուր խելքդ գլուխդ ժողուէ եւ այս մանուկին հետ խելքդ մի դներ: -Շատ լաւ: Edited June 14, 2007 by Sassun Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
annannimusss Posted June 14, 2007 Report Share Posted June 14, 2007 I have been reading for a while now, and I now found out form Groong why the Armenian parties split and how everything happened back on 2000. And why the Tashnags left Hariri, some of the point you said sounded like they came from this article, I would like for you to read this article and tell me what you think, it is long but it is well worth it. It explains everything in great detail. http://groong.usc.edu/ro/ro-20000907.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sassun Posted June 14, 2007 Author Report Share Posted June 14, 2007 I have been reading for a while now, and I now found out form Groong why the Armenian parties split and how everything happened back on 2000. And why the Tashnags left Hariri, some of the point you said sounded like they came from this article, I would like for you to read this article and tell me what you think, it is long but it is well worth it. It explains everything in great detail. http://groong.usc.edu/ro/ro-20000907.html Sako, I live in Lebanon and am deeply immersed and active in its politics. I do not need an article to inform me of what is going on on the ground. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
annannimusss Posted June 14, 2007 Report Share Posted June 14, 2007 But read it, you will see why I say what I say. Not because I am A Ramgavar,not because I call you Dajeeg, but because I read info and form my opinions. It is a very well written Armenian article, although a bit long. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shahan Araradian Posted June 14, 2007 Report Share Posted June 14, 2007 (edited) -Սասուն, եկուր խելքդ գլուխդ ժողուէ եւ այս մանուկին հետ խելքդ մի դներ: -Շատ լաւ: Խենթին խենթ պահէ: Չես կրնար փոխել... Մտածողը արդէն կը հասկնայ գրածդ: Դժբախդաբար մեր Ամերիկահայ կարդացողներուն մեծ մասը (ոչ բոլորը) - ինչպէս իրենց «բնիկ» ամերիկացի դրացիներուն - չէն կրնար մտածել. այլ՝ իրենց բոլոր հաւատքը կախեալ է հեռատեսիլի ծրագիրներու յաղորդածէն... Այս է իրականութիւնը Ա.Մ.Ն.ի «գետնի վրայ»: Մարդիկ խոտի պէս կեանք կ'ապրինկոր հոս: Հայրս կ'ըսէ թէ Բէյրութի (բուն մաշտոցեան հնչիւնաբանութեամբ) մէջ ապրող փողոցի շունը աւելի լաւ կեանք կ'ապրի քան թէ ամերիկացին: Իմ ճամբորդութիւններովս կարծեմ թէ կը համաձայնիմ... Edited June 14, 2007 by Shahan Araradian Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AK-47 Posted June 14, 2007 Report Share Posted June 14, 2007 looool the puppet (America) has spoken again... the puppeteer (Israel) must be throwing a tantrum given that its other puppets (Fateh) were wiped out in Gaza Strip : Since when does USA feel so concerned about the lives of Palestinians and whether or not terror is exercised against them? So Palestinians killing traitors and collaborators is "terror", but Israelis killing Palestinian children is "self defence" ? Yeah, makes sense... And if USA thinks it will continue to control Lebanon with this logic , then good luck ! Because in Gaza Strip: Syria 1 - Israel/USA 0 Ախ՜ այս ծախուած Արաբները, «խյար» են քանի որ չեն գիտեր ինչպէս զորաւոր կրնան ըլլալ եթէ օր մը միանային եւ կենային ծախուիլ Սիոնիստ դրամին: Anyway, Hamas is sure giving a whooping to Fatah...I heard of reports that they were throwing men off rooftops Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AK-47 Posted June 14, 2007 Report Share Posted June 14, 2007 (edited) I can't belive I am discussing this with a guy who would not even be considered a Armenian by the Tashnags. Actually, this reminds of a time in my old Armenian school when my hardcore Dashnak Armenian history teacher was talking about ways that we could unite Armenians so we would eventually return to the fatherland and I remember he told us that "Indzi hamar hayoutiouneh aveli garevor eh kanteh ourish paneh" and he gave us an example about how he would prefer an Armenian Muslim than an X nationality Christian. It's probably his personal opinion but it says alot since he's got a pretty solid role in the ARF's branch in my city. Edited June 14, 2007 by AK-47 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shahan Araradian Posted June 14, 2007 Report Share Posted June 14, 2007 Actually, this reminds of a time in my old Armenian school when my hardcore Dashnak Armenian history teacher was talking about ways that we could unite Armenians so we would eventually return to the fatherland and I remember he told us that "Indzi hamar hayoutiouneh aveli garevor eh kanteh ourish paneh" and he gave us an example about how he would prefer an Armenian Muslim than an X nationality Christian. It's probably his personal opinion but it says alot since he's got a pretty solid role in the ARF's branch in my city. Համաձայն եմ: Հայութի՛ւնն է կարեւորը: Բոլոր «տաճիկները» նոյնը չէն, ինչպէս բոլոր քրիստոնեաները նոյնը չէն: Ազգէն կախում ունի... Ան որ աշխարհը կրօնքի ակնոցներով կը նայի չի կրնար հասկնալ աշխարհը, միամիտ ամերիկացի մըն է ընդհանրապէս... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sip Posted June 15, 2007 Report Share Posted June 15, 2007 (edited) Խենթին խենթ պահէ: Չես կրնար փոխել... Մտածողը արդէն կը հասկնայ գրածդ: Դժբախդաբար մեր Ամերիկահայ կարդացողներուն մեծ մասը (ոչ բոլորը) - ինչպէս իրենց «բնիկ» ամերիկացի դրացիներուն - չէն կրնար մտածել. այլ՝ իրենց բոլոր հաւատքը կախեալ է հեռատեսիլի ծրագիրներու յաղորդածէն... Այս է իրականութիւնը Ա.Մ.Ն.ի «գետնի վրայ»: Մարդիկ խոտի պէս կեանք կ'ապրինկոր հոս: Հայրս կ'ըսէ թէ Բէյրութի (բուն մաշտոցեան հնչիւնաբանութեամբ) մէջ ապրող փողոցի շունը աւելի լաւ կեանք կ'ապրի քան թէ ամերիկացին: Իմ ճամբորդութիւններովս կարծեմ թէ կը համաձայնիմ... Dude, why don't you just move then? How can you sit on your ass in comfortable US and bad mouth it so much? Just leave already. Go and live like the street dogs you (or your dad) are so fond of. I mean really. But I really hope you stop watching the US tv. You seem to be far too obsessed with it. By the way, I will still take CNN any day of the week over your beloved Al Jazeerah. At least the commercials on CNN are good. Edited June 15, 2007 by Sip Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shahan Araradian Posted June 15, 2007 Report Share Posted June 15, 2007 (edited) By the way, I will still take CNN any day of the week over your beloved Al Jazeerah. At least the commercials on CNN are good. Ուզածդ ըրէ: Ամերիկայ ապրիր եւ օտարացիր, եւ ստրուկը դարձիր մեծ ընկերութիւններու, աղուոր CNNի ռեկլամներ դիտելով, եւ մեծ պարտքերու տակ մտնալով... Մէկ խօսոքով՝ խոտի պէս ապրիր: Անիկա քեզի կը մնայ: Իմ որոշումս չէ: Ի վերչոյ Լիբանան պիտի գտնուիմ... Ես ուրիշ պատճառներ ունիմ որ պէտք է Ամերիկայ գտնուիմ հիմա. պատճառներ որ քեզի չեն հետաքրքրեր: Edited June 15, 2007 by Shahan Araradian Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sip Posted June 15, 2007 Report Share Posted June 15, 2007 Whatever the reason, as long as you are here, at least admit you are here by choice ... if you or your dad really loved living like a street dog in Lebanon, I highly doubt you would choose to live here. As far as your "padjarner" to be here, I couldn't care less. The fact is YOU ARE HERE in the US. Show some respect while you enjoy life here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anoushik Posted June 15, 2007 Report Share Posted June 15, 2007 Shahan, I've met a lot of Armenians like you who for some unknown reason (jealousy? hypocrisy? closed-mindedness? confusion? lack of education?) continue to live in the U.S., profit from all that the U.S. has to give them and then bad-mouth and complain all the time. You don't have to love the U.S., you don't even have to like it, but to be so a hypocrite as to continue to remain in this country? How do you face the mirror every day? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shahan Araradian Posted June 15, 2007 Report Share Posted June 15, 2007 Whatever the reason, as long as you are here, at least admit you are here by choice ... if you or your dad really loved living like a street dog in Lebanon, I highly doubt you would choose to live here. As far as your "padjarner" to be here, I couldn't care less. The fact is YOU ARE HERE in the US. Show some respect while you enjoy life here. Can I not criticize the "American" way of life without you being offended? These are my observations of living in the U.S., having lived in many other parts of the world. I'm not disrespecting Americans nor the U.S. I am giving my point of view based on my personal experiences. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anoushik Posted June 15, 2007 Report Share Posted June 15, 2007 Can I not criticize the "American" way of life without you being offended? These are my observations of living in the U.S., having lived in many other parts of the world. I'm not disrespecting Americans nor the U.S. I am giving my point of view based on my personal experiences. Really? Yes you are! Խենթին խենթ պահէ: Չես կրնար փոխել... Մարդիկ խոտի պէս կեանք կ'ապրինկոր հոս: Հայրս կ'ըսէ թէ Բէյրութի (բուն մաշտոցեան հնչիւնաբանութեամբ) մէջ ապրող փողոցի շունը աւելի լաւ կեանք կ'ապրի քան թէ ամերիկացին: Իմ ճամբորդութիւններովս կարծեմ թէ կը համաձայնիմ... I'm an American as well, and I can assure you that I certainly live much better than some street dog in Beirut. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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