Interracial Dating Among Armenians?

[aSoldier]

Did I ever doubt your happiness?

 

My name is spelt correctly

Edited April 16, 2006 by sSebB

[Anahit]

Did I ever doubt your happiness?

 

My name is spelt correctly

No, u did not. i didn't say u did

 

 

I wrote "sSebs" in both posts. I was fast enough to chage it in the second one, but not fast enough to change it in the first one sorry

[aSoldier]

Oh it's just that you emphasized your happiness, it looked like you thought that I didn't think you were with an odar lol it's ok Seb is fine too.

[Anahit]

Someone here asked for a solution.

Here are some things that I think are very important for a culture to continue.

1. Language (and the writings, of course): lezun u gir-grakanutyun@

I have met a young man from the States whose parents were armenians, but he neither understood nor spoke any Armenian but "barev", "vonc es?", so just marrying your type in a foreign country or giving your kids the nationality of your kind is not enough, i think. I think it is essential to talk in our language to them, teach our history, poems, stories, legends etc. For kids going to an Armenian school could be the best, but that will be a problem for many countries with very few Armenians. So, we could sent them to Armenia. U know, many Korean students between 14-17 years old come to China and study in a Korean school in China. They study chinese, english and even another language with the course of school. they live in the school, of course. the food, occomodation etc is all included. Because of the vast majority of Armenians being abroad now, this could be a proper thing to do (also a very good business, u know )

 

2.Despite of many teachings and what happens, I believe that humans are NOT evil. So, i believe that people will always choose the best over worse, so it's important to continue good traditions tipical to us (and other countries in the region too, i have to admit), like hospitableness, generosity, thinking about the others, being selfless, treating the guest like the God etc. u know many other people around the world are really stingy! let's just not become like them! For example, here there are people from certain countries who never invite u inside but keep u at the doorstep and talk to u like that. sometimes i get frastrated and want to do the same to them, but after half a minute i calm down and tell myself, that i won't behave like that, casue it's not 'Armenian' to treat a guest like that! and i know that my mother and grandmother would never do something like that! And there are sooooo many other things i could tell u about that i get angry and want to do, but i never do, cause it's not "the Armenian way"! a good Armenian would not do that! It's just as simple as it is! And Armenians are also known to be interesting and devoted as my foreign friends have told me

Marrying a foreigner doesn't mean becoming a foreigner and giving up one's traditions and betraying the country! If u and your traditions are more humane and welcomed, then there are the ones to be learnt and carried forward: the best always wins! We feel much happier and welcomed in Armenia, so that's where we want to go during vocations. And that's how we want to behave in order for others to like us and enjoy being with us! It is very simple!

 

 

have other ideas too, but got to go now

[Takoush]

Anahid Takouhi wasn't suggesting you marry an Armenian that you don't love. Love is a default subject here. We are specifically speaking about keeping our Armenian identity, which I hope all of us want to do. I know you married an odar and you are defending yourself; that's fine, but the idea of "marry your own kind" is not weak and improper at all. In fact, you should not marry an odar so that the Armenian identity we fought long and hard for does not go to waste. Whether you like it or not, the Armenianness that once lived in you, will diminish to nothing by the time you have great great grandchilden, if not earlier. Nations have tried to destroy us, but it looks like we will finish the job ourselves.

ABRIS SEBASTIA!!!! Krisdos Haryav I Merelots!!!

 

That was exactly my point Seb. Not to marry someone you don't love; but to preserve our already numerous times annihilated nationality, to preserve herself, so that we would be able to continue to have an Armenian nationality on this earth and planet. I have sacrificed in my own life to only marry with an Armenian, and frankly I would love to see the same wanting, vigor and the idealism within each and every Armenian individual, be it in Armenia, in Artsakh or in the Diaspora.

 

I said my piece, and if I have to say it a thousand times, I shall; because this is a very important cause for our survival.

Edited April 16, 2006 by Anahid Takouhi

[mx5]

ABRIS SEBASTIA!!!! Krisdos Haryav I Merelots!!!

 

That was exactly my point Seb. Not to marry someone you don't love; but to preserve our already numerous times annihilated nationality, to preserve herself, so that we would be able to continue to have an Armenian nationality on this earth and planet. I have sacrificed in my own life to only marry with an Armenian, and frankly I would love to see the same wanting, vigor and the idealism within each and every Armenian individual, be it in Armenia, in Artsakh or in the Diaspora.

 

I said my piece, and if I have to say it a thousand times, I shall; because this is a very important cause for our survival.

 

very well said,never in critical period of our history we have ever depended on the collective will of our population ,most of the tiime most of us did is to put our personal love and urges above our country's demand or interest ,or else we would have been a country almost like France ,Germany or England.

 

As I have noticed the existance of our nation culture and civilization has been always preserved by

handfull of hard-core individuals and their ardent followers .And I deeply believe that this prosess will continue endless forever.there will always be enough faithful people to compansate for those who are beeing lost.

 

When I was young I could fall in love at least once a day,I could have married an Arab girl here easily,by the way I lieve in Lebanon,which I never even considered.I married to an Armenian Lady whom I grew to love her more than life itself,we speak French English Arabic but we always use our own languge among ourselves.

 

For me love is a purpose but not just an overnight lust,a purpose which deserves to be served ,in my case as an armenian it is used to preserve an old and noble culture, a civilisation .

[Melikian]

The sad thing is, Armenians don't care, don't see or choose not to see.

 

 

Anony

 

Good job.

Wish I could write my thoughts as good as you.

Keep up the good work.

 

Avak Melikian

[Anonymouse]

A friend of mine had to give up her only ever love just because of her parents. the excuse they had? i am shamed to say, hayeren grem, vor urishner@ chhaskanan: na sev er. Since then many years have passed, she has never liked anyone, and she has many white hair already: she is not happy (she is too young for white hair). the family is trying their best to "get" her an armenian guy, but they have missed the point: people don't fall in love with the nationality, but the person!

 

I hope my kids (and my friends, anyone i know... EVERYONE ON THE WORLD!) fall in love with good people, who love them and treat them so well! it doesn't matter where they come from... LOVE, PEACE & RESPECT! (Anahit started dreaming again...)

 

Ok, from REAL LIFE: im amusin@ hay che, chnexanak, bayc yes iran voch mi hayi het chem poxi, enkan lavn a! yes ira cav@ tanem!!!! im znoxnern u @nkernern iren aynkan en sirum, el chaselu! ink@ inj het shpveluc, mer "nist u kacin" zanotanaluc heto, HAYACEL E iren beranov inj kani kani angam asel e, vor mer yerexaner@ tox hayastanum mezanan, tox ko maman irenc dastiraki... INCH EM UZUM ASEM! uzum em asel ayn, vor lav ban@ micht el mnum e, vat@ gnum e! ete mern urishic lavn e, apa kndunen mer@, yev mer@ chi anhaytana! yerbek!

 

ham el, AYO, DE AXR MERN URISH E !!!!

 

p.s. YEV URISHIC LAVN E he he he... im rasistutyunn el e mek mek brnum, de hay em che

 

 

Awww how romantic! We are aimless creatures thrown over and under by these whimsical forces from hither and thither!

[Anahit]

ABRIS SEBASTIA!!!! Krisdos Haryav I Merelots!!!

 

That was exactly my point Seb. Not to marry someone you don't love; but to preserve our already numerous times annihilated nationality, to preserve herself, so that we would be able to continue to have an Armenian nationality on this earth and planet. I have sacrificed in my own life to only marry with an Armenian, and frankly I would love to see the same wanting, vigor and the idealism within each and every Armenian individual, be it in Armenia, in Artsakh or in the Diaspora.

 

I said my piece, and if I have to say it a thousand times, I shall; because this is a very important cause for our survival.

 

1. So, if one does not fall in love with her/his kind, and is "not allowed" (so stupid and inhumane!) to marry another kind that she/he loves, DOESN'T THINS MEAN VANISHING????????????????? TAKE A LONG TIME AND THINK THIS OVER, PLEASE! Unless u find it ok just to get pregnant from "the kind" to "continue the kind", but this option is against my principals. But yes, many people can do this and even be proud of this and become heros because this is also a huge sacrifice: having kids from someone one doesn't love. and living someone without love i think is the biggest (and most inhumane) sacrifice someone can do.

 

2. Marrying one's kind does not mean preserving the kind! And marrying another kind also does not mean forgetting ones own kind! IT TAKES MUCH MORE THAN JUST MARRYING YOUR KIND TO PRESERVE A KIND! Do a research.

 

 

 

What starts making me angry here about many posts, is that HEY! WHY DO U THINK U AND YOUR KIND AND YOUR TRADITIONS ARE SO BAD THAT THEY WILL JUST VANISH?????!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! WHT DO U THINK IT IS SO WEAK? WHY CAN'T U SEE OR UNDERSTAND THAT U AND YOUR KIND ARE TOO GOOD TO JUST VANISH?! PLUS WE HAVE OUR OWN SPECIFIC LANGUAGE! LETTERS!!!!!!!!! HOW CAN U EVEN FORGET THIS????!!!! really, people! stop it! YEGIPTAKAN BURGER@ POSHI KDARNAN BAYC VOCH MER YERKIR@ ! (u know the poem) I really don't understand were u get all this scary ideas: IS IT BECAUSE OF THE WAY U LEAD YOUR LIFE? ARE U GOING FARTHER AND FARTHER FROM YOUR ROOTS that u are TRYING TO BLAME OTHERS just to feel better about yourself????? WHY U HAVE NO CONFIDENCE IN YOUR CULTURE? I think only the individual herself/himself can find the answers she/he needs and try to change/do something, cause there are always many ways of reaching the same goal.

 

I don't think and won't believe that Armenian culture/kind will vanish. it is too good to vanish and we are too proud of it (yerbemn chapic durs, kani vor shater@ karzum en, te ayl mardik, orinak sever@, mer hamemat mard chen. yes gitem nman hayeri, yev shat amot em zgum nranc patjarov) and we love it too much for it to vanish.

 

 

Another info on the interracial marriages. Before BEFORE it didn't realy exist cause people were kind of stuck in the same place for all their life. Now because the world is a much smaller place than before, people just have chance to meet other kinds. It's like, the way chinese put it, walking alongside with time. It's not forgetting your kind or traditions. Just i told u before: TEACH THE LANGUAGE, HISTORY, THE ARMENIAN WAY OF LIVING and see if it will be easy to vanish.

[Anonymouse]

It seems to me some are just aching to justify their prurient ways.

[Anahit]

Awww how romantic! We are aimless creatures thrown over and under by these whimsical forces from hither and thither!

 

wow!!!! really??? THANKS! I do hope i am romantic! i can't recall anyone telling me THAT, but they do call me an idealist (and a perfectionist too).

 

I think u trully missed the point of that post of mine u quoted, Anon. Or maybe i was too serious and put too much feelings in it but u just took it like nothing... well... what ever... forget abou it...

 

 

p.s. Your new avatar is much better. i found the one befroe rather scary and was afriad to answer to your posts

[Takoush]

Voch voch voch. Anahit you got it all wrong. I don't ever at any time would recommend anyone to get pregnant and be a single parent. That is NEVER my style and it is against my moral values and my principles. I don't recommend it.

 

It is you who are coming to unusual and the wrong conclusions all by yourself.

 

I most certainly would recommend loving someone or at least liking someone a great deal before marrying. However, when I said about sacrifice, I merely meant to say no to any and all odar guys or girls; but certainly to marry with an Armenian individual of your liking and of loving too.

 

You want me to have a great deal of confidence in my people. How can I? When more than a million and a half of Armenians already left Armenia right after Armenia was declared indipendent; that is exodus and the remainders are dying to get out only to go to the diaspora and like Anonymus said for some unfortunately to lead a prurient life; to forget about preserving their nationality or their identity. Tell me Anahit; when a guy marries an odar girl, do you think the mother is going to bring the children Armenian? How many odar husbands or wives are going to give a who about Armenian preservation, culture or simply to speak your language? I am glad for you that you have found an ideal odar husband for yourself; but please don't preach to the rest of the young adults or teenagers here to follow your footsteps.

 

Nobody is putting you down that you have married with a non Armenian. You are taking it upon yourself without anyone having had addressed you. I don't know why, but nobody blamed you or put you on the defensive. But please, don't preach for everyone to follow into your footsteps and so the rest of our people to marry with an odar.

 

Certainly to fall in love, but if you can fall in love with an odar, you can certainly make a little effort and find some nice Armenian individual to fall in love with and to marry too.

 

You said something about my life or how I lead my life. I am only going to say that to this very minute that I am writing these words to you, I feel very proud of myself and how I lead my life, and certainly am very very lucky individual to have had wonderful upbringing and parents who brought me up to be what I am today. While you went to your school and have gotten and accumulated your degrees, you do not know how much service and good deeds I did in my past for my people and my nationality. As a matter of fact, some have regarded me as a role model individual for themselves, because they thought that I am worthy of it. And I am not tooting my own horn; I am merely saying and quoting thruths from my life and how I lead my life.

 

Again, you are deadly wrong to assume wrongly or question me wrongly if I am going farther away from my roots. As a matter of fact, in all my life I have been an inspiration to a great deal of Armenians for not only preserving my nationality and my roots; but have inspired many and I mean many of my brethren to be proud of their roots and so they would stay Armenian and be proud of themselves, of their roots and of their identity. Again, I am only talking about my life because you questioned it.

 

 

 

 

1. So, if one does not fall in love with her/his kind, and is "not allowed" (so stupid and inhumane!) to marry another kind that she/he loves, DOESN'T THINS MEAN VANISHING????????????????? TAKE A LONG TIME AND THINK THIS OVER, PLEASE! Unless u find it ok just to get pregnant from "the kind" to "continue the kind", but this option is against my principals. But yes, many people can do this and even be proud of this and become heros because this is also a huge sacrifice: having kids from someone one doesn't love. and living someone without love i think is the biggest (and most inhumane) sacrifice someone can do.

 

2. Marrying one's kind does not mean preserving the kind! And marrying another kind also does not mean forgetting ones own kind! IT TAKES MUCH MORE THAN JUST MARRYING YOUR KIND TO PRESERVE A KIND! Do a research.

What starts making me angry here about many posts, is that HEY! WHY DO U THINK U AND YOUR KIND AND YOUR TRADITIONS ARE SO BAD THAT THEY WILL JUST VANISH?????!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! WHT DO U THINK IT IS SO WEAK? WHY CAN'T U SEE OR UNDERSTAND THAT U AND YOUR KIND ARE TOO GOOD TO JUST VANISH?! PLUS WE HAVE OUR OWN SPECIFIC LANGUAGE! LETTERS!!!!!!!!! HOW CAN U EVEN FORGET THIS????!!!! really, people! stop it! YEGIPTAKAN BURGER@ POSHI KDARNAN BAYC VOCH MER YERKIR@ ! (u know the poem) I really don't understand were u get all this scary ideas: IS IT BECAUSE OF THE WAY U LEAD YOUR LIFE? ARE U GOING FARTHER AND FARTHER FROM YOUR ROOTS that u are TRYING TO BLAME OTHERS just to feel better about yourself????? WHY U HAVE NO CONFIDENCE IN YOUR CULTURE? I think only the individual herself/himself can find the answers she/he needs and try to change/do something, cause there are always many ways of reaching the same goal.

 

I don't think and won't believe that Armenian culture/kind will vanish. it is too good to vanish and we are too proud of it (yerbemn chapic durs, kani vor shater@ karzum en, te ayl mardik, orinak sever@, mer hamemat mard chen. yes gitem nman hayeri, yev shat amot em zgum nranc patjarov) and we love it too much for it to vanish.

 

Another info on the interracial marriages. Before BEFORE it didn't realy exist cause people were kind of stuck in the same place for all their life. Now because the world is a much smaller place than before, people just have chance to meet other kinds. It's like, the way chinese put it, walking alongside with time. It's not forgetting your kind or traditions. Just i told u before: TEACH THE LANGUAGE, HISTORY, THE ARMENIAN WAY OF LIVING and see if it will be easy to vanish.

[Anahit]

Voch voch voch. Anahit you got it all wrong. I don't ever at any time would recommend anyone to get pregnant and be a single parent. That is NEVER my style and it is against my moral values and my principles. I don't recommend it.

 

It is you who are coming to unusual and the wrong conclusions all by yourself.

 

I most certainly would recommend loving someone or at least liking someone a great deal before marrying. However, when I said about sacrifice, I merely meant to say no to any and all odar guys or girls; but certainly to marry with an Armenian individual of your liking and of loving too.

 

You want me to have a great deal of confidence in my people. How can I? When more than a million and a half of Armenians already left Armenia right after Armenia was declared indipendent; that is exodus and the remainders are dying to get out only to go to the diaspora and like Anonymus said for some unfortunately to lead a prurient life; to forget about preserving their nationality or their identity. Tell me Anahit; when a guy marries an odar girl, do you think the mother is going to bring the children Armenian? How many odar husbands or wives are going to give a who about Armenian preservation, culture or simply to speak your language? I am glad for you that you have found an ideal odar husband for yourself; but please don't preach to the rest of the young adults or teenagers here to follow your footsteps.

 

Nobody is putting you down that you have married with a non Armenian. You are taking it upon yourself without anyone having had addressed you. I don't know why, but nobody blamed you or put you on the defensive. But please, don't preach for everyone to follow into your footsteps and so the rest of our people to marry with an odar.

 

Certainly to fall in love, but if you can fall in love with an odar, you can certainly make a little effort and find some nice Armenian individual to fall in love with and to marry too.

 

You said something about my life or how I lead my life. I am only going to say that to this very minute that I am writing these words to you, I feel very proud of myself and how I lead my life, and certainly am very very lucky individual to have had wonderful upbringing and parents who brought me up to be what I am today. While you went to your school and have gotten and accumulated your degrees, you do not know how much service and good deeds I did in my past for my people and my nationality. As a matter of fact, some have regarded me as a role model individual for themselves, because they thought that I am worthy of it. And I am not tooting my own horn; I am merely saying and quoting thruths from my life and how I lead my life.

 

Again, you are deadly wrong to assume wrongly or question me wrongly if I am going farther away from my roots. As a matter of fact, in all my life I have been an inspiration to a great deal of Armenians for not only preserving my nationality and my roots; but have inspired many and I mean many of my brethren to be proud of their roots and so they would stay Armenian and be proud of themselves, of their roots and of their identity. Again, I am only talking about my life because you questioned it.

 

 

Well... We are appearently talking in 2 different languages. I had promised myself not to get involved with u in any discussions after seeing your posts on religious and some other matters, but i still cut m own word and now i have to pay for it for writing another post and explaining myself WHICH IS GONNA LEAD TO ANOTHER POST.... but i will not write. Anahid Tagouhi!!!!!!!!!!!!! THE LEADING LIFE AND GOING FAR FROM THE ROOTS PART WAS NOT ADDRESSED TO U!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! IN FACT MERELY THE 2% AT THE BEGINING OF THE POST WAS ADRESSED TO U!!!!!!! I swear i wanted to write "don't mean it to Anahit Tagouhi individually" but then i thought it was obviose: well, i was wrong SO, sorry to have wasted your time and made u to write such a long post explaining yourself. I was just briging out some questions, cause sometimes it is easier to find a solution when they have been already questions asked. THEY WERE NOT ADDRESSED TO U PERSONALLY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! QUOTED UR POST CAUSE MY POST WAS KIND OF "INSPIRED" BY IT, that's it!!!! nothing was addressed to u! sorry for wasting your time and driving u into wrong assumptions!

 

Second! u wrote:"Nobody is putting you down that you have married with a non Armenian. You are taking it upon yourself without anyone having had addressed you. I don't know why, but nobody blamed you or put you on the defensive. But please, don't preach for everyone to follow into your footsteps and so the rest of our people to marry with an odar." WHAT????? NOW WITH THIS STUPID COMMENT U HAVE FINALLY GOTTEN ME TO WONDER! SHOULD I FEEL DOWN? SHOULD I DEFEND MYSELF??? WHY????? TELL ME AND I MIGHT! BUT I DON'T FEEL LIKE I SHOULD AS U ASUME! AND I DON'T EVEN KNOW WHY I SHOULD!

 

And, Anahid Takouhi, u should be the last one talking about preaching, and we all know why, DON'T WE???

 

Besides, i wrote few posts ago what to do to continue the language and culture, but of course, it was not your idea, so why to bother paying attention!!!!!!!!!!!

 

As for Armenians leaving: MY FAMILY IS THERE!!!! ALL OF THEM!!!!!!! WHERE IS YOURS????? WHERE ARE U, Anahid, YOURSLEF????????????????? so, as u are the one outside making THAT problem, be kind enough to bring up the solution! stop forcing others to be unhappy in order to repair the demage u have done! u believe in God, forgot? LOVE, PEACE, RESPECT! or maybe u don't anymore... people change, i know.

 

I know why Armenians leave Armenia, have never blamed them and HAVE NEVER FELT SUPERIOR OVER THEM, CAUSE MY FAMILY HASN'T LEFT (u really forced me to write what i wrote above!) AND WILL NEVER SAY THEY ARE LESS OR WORSE ARMENIAN THAN I AM!!!!!!

 

WHAT DEVIDES THE NATION AND KILLS IT IS ARMENIANS EXCLUDINGN OTHER ARMENIANS!!!! i have read enough posts about "how armenian one is" in this and other forums! concentrate on this and leave happy people out of the problems u creat or the demages u don't know how to repair, please.

 

OH I FORGOT TO TELL U! EVEN IF I DO PREACH HOW TO FOLLOW IN MY FOOTSTEPS (hundreds have been asking me how to achieve what i have achieved), I DON'T THINK MANY CAN BE ABLE TO !!!!

[Takoush]

NOW WITH THIS STUPID COMMENT U HAVE FINALLY GOTTEN ME TO WONDER! SHOULD I FEEL DOWN? SHOULD I DEFEND MYSELF??? WHY????? TELL ME AND I MIGHT! BUT I DON'T FEEL LIKE I SHOULD AS U ASUME! AND I DON'T EVEN KNOW WHY I SHOULD!

 

I never said that you should feel down or you have to defend yourself for marrying an odar. You yourself wrote a hearthfelt post that how much considerateness your loving husband feels towards you and how he feels that he even wants your own mother to give your future children her own special upbringing.

 

Your husband is kind and I personally have met a long time ago a similar nice German guy who wanted to become Armenian for me; but I said no, because of the way I was brought up Armenian and because I listened to my parents who would not tolerate an odar 'pesa'. I also wanted to marry with an Armenian guy, thinking and feeling at the time that I will not feel truly a married person if I didn't.

 

Frankly I think it is very nice and sweet of your husband to be open minded but above all it is because he loves you so much. I think that is precious. I never doubted your own marriage; but I also wanted other Armenians to marry their own kind.

 

Anahit, IS THAT SOOOOO BAD TO WISH OTHER ARMENIANS TO FOLLOW IN MY FOOTSTEPS AND SO THEY'LL GIVE PLENTY OF CHANCES TO MARRY THEIR OWN KIND? OF COURSE AFTER MEETING THE RIGHT PARTNER AND OF COURSE AFTER LOVING THEM.

 

As for Armenians leaving: MY FAMILY IS THERE!!!! ALL OF THEM!!!!!!! WHERE IS YOURS????? WHERE ARE U, Anahid, YOURSLEF????????????????? so, as u are the one outside making THAT problem, be kind enough to bring up the solution!

 

Where am I?????? I am where I am because I have been born outside!!!!!! HELLOOOOOO?????

I was always outside because our nation was annihilated. REMEMBER???????

 

What problems have I done Anahit?????????? NOW WHAT KIND OF STUPID REMARKS YOU ARE SAYING HERE?????????????

 

stop forcing others to be unhappy in order to repair the demage u have done! u believe in God, forgot? LOVE, PEACE, RESPECT! or maybe u don't anymore... people change, i know.

 

No I am a God believing and God fearing person as I was and even more. As a matter of fact I went to Church yesterday and I sang and prayed for Zadig. I haven't gone to Church for about 7-8 mons, but I am going to Church again now to sing and pray.

 

WHAT DIVIDES THE NATION AND KILLS IT IS ARMENIANS EXCLUDING OTHER ARMENIANS!!!! i have read enough posts about "how armenian one is" in this and other forums! concentrate on this and leave happy people out of the problems u creat or the demages u don't know how to repair, please.

 

Now isn't that another stupid comment of yours Anahit? What damage I have done??????? What the heck you're talking about?????? Anyone who knows me personally in my past or in my present only spoke well of me and looked up to me. I am not saying this to be superior or feel superior than others, but because of the good life I lived, I have inspired to people with love and dignity and I have given people plenty of chances and have forgiven them for their shortcomings and continued to love them as God loves each and everyone of us.

Edited April 17, 2006 by Anahid Takouhi

[Anahit]

have u tried armenian online dating sites.

 

Sorry to be too late to write about this, I should have started from this as it comes at the beginning of this topic: well better late than never!

 

Personally I have never tried online dating or any sites, can't tell good and bad ones, just can tell u true things from life:

I know 4 Armenian couples that met online and are happily married and very much in love. 2 couples are both armenians (the men are half-armenian) and in the other 2 couples one person is Armenian the other one is a foreigner.

So, for those who hope to find the very special person of their life via internet too, I think it's not a bad idea, just be careful, ok? Maybe not be alone on the first real date Otherwise, I have not heard of any bad things about online dating/meeting among Armenians.

[Takoush]

Someone here asked for a solution.

Here are some things that I think are very important for a culture to continue.

1. Language (and the writings, of course): lezun u gir-grakanutyun@

I have met a young man from the States whose parents were armenians, but he neither understood nor spoke any Armenian but "barev", "vonc es?", so just marrying your type in a foreign country or giving your kids the nationality of your kind is not enough, i think. I think it is essential to talk in our language to them, teach our history, poems, stories, legends etc. For kids going to an Armenian school could be the best, but that will be a problem for many countries with very few Armenians. So, we could sent them to Armenia. U know, many Korean students between 14-17 years old come to China and study in a Korean school in China. They study chinese, english and even another language with the course of school. they live in the school, of course. the food, occomodation etc is all included. Because of the vast majority of Armenians being abroad now, this could be a proper thing to do (also a very good business, u know )

 

Anahit, you said that I didn't read your previous post and your ideas, and I want to tell you how wrong you are again.

I have read them but I know these things already and I already have instilled it to my daughter to speak Armenian, which she does it with me and my own family. My daughter reads and write Armenian and she can also write Armenian on the computer.

 

If you read my previous posts, but of course you didn't, I have already mentioned here that I plan to take my daughter a few years from now to Armenia so that she'll see her anscestral lands. You are not telling me something different.

 

But whether you want to answer or not it's immaterial to me; but think about what I have to say.

 

YOU ARE FROM ARMENIA NOW AND YOU HAVE LIVED ALMOST ALL YOUR LIFE IN THERE AND HAVE LEARNED YOUR LANGUAGE AND CULTURE AND FEEL THE WAY YOU DO NOW. BUT SUPPOSE YOUR HUSBAND DIDN'T WANT TO BRING YOUR CHILDREN ARMENIAN BECAUSE HE DIDN'T WANT TO FOR VARIOUS REASONS. WHAT WOULD YOU DO THEN???????

 

You are suggesting for other Armenians in here to go and marry anyone they meet and love, Armenian or otherwise, and if their husbands or wives were fanatics in their own right and nationality then how are they going to teach and pursue their Armenian language and culture??????? Also, how are they going to be able to teach their offspring Armenian and or Armenian culture if their spouse doesn't wish it? Heh??????

 

Now Anahit, you go and think about this for as long as you want and try, try to find a solution for it if you can.

 

You also said in your previous post Anahit, that marrying non-Armenian does not make you to give up your being an Armenian or your anscestral rights.

 

BUT ANAHIT WHAT ABOUT YOUR CHILDREN???????

 

WOMAN THINK, WE ARE TALKING HERE ABOUT PRESERVING OUR NATIONALITY FOR YEARS AND YEARS TO COME!!!!!!!

 

Now you go and think about that!

Edited April 17, 2006 by Anahid Takouhi

[vava]

I can't help but notice that there's a whole lot of unnecessary YELLING going on in this thread.

[Takoush]

and the yelling vava didn't start with me.

[Anonymouse]

The wheeping willows cry for they cannot bea to see those who are Armenian and think Armenian is just some mood you walk in and out of with vague and worthless labels such as "Armenianness". But they are the ones that fail to heed the wisdom in the Armenian saying which my parents always said, "Aryoona joor chi darna".

[shaunt]

Shad agheg payts; how about if we get two husbands too? Heh?

 

As long as one is a non-Armenian, .

[Takoush]

As long as one is a non-Armenian, .

[mx5]

Another info on the interracial marriages. Before BEFORE it didn't realy exist cause people were kind of stuck in the same place for all their life. Now because the world is a much smaller place than before, people just have chance to meet other kinds. It's like, the way chinese put it, walking alongside with time. It's not forgetting your kind or traditions. Just i told u before: TEACH THE LANGUAGE, HISTORY, THE ARMENIAN WAY OF LIVING and see if it will be easy to vanish.

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there is this armenian women we just met in the village where we have a summer house,she is married to an arab christian guy and have 3 daughters,they invited us and when me and my wife went to visit them at their home we descovered that it was sort of miserable underground shelter ,one of their daughters shouted to the other and said in Arabic in amazment:they are talking just like MOM!! they didnt even know that the language we and their mother were talking was called Armenian.

They came to visit us few times,and they keep insisting that we visit them more frequently.

 

After a briefe consultation with my wife,we are thinking to stop seeing this family for

the following reasons:

 

1-the husband is very fanatic religous christian Arab not once during their marriage even considered to take his wife to an Armenian church even for curiosity or to an armenian event.

 

2-the Armenian wife is one of the most beautiful ever we have seen,and also are her 3 daughters

 

3-we have a very good looking and educated son who just became 17 years old.

 

4-the odds are very high that he will fall to one of them,their mother is even not hiding that kind of intentions.

 

5-we are afraid that in the above case we will almost for sure lose our son,and what the hack,there are so many Armenian girls around.

 

please give me your oppinion on this,are we paranoial , are we doing the right thing.

 

Jack

Edited April 18, 2006 by mx5

[Takoush]

mx5:

 

What is wrong if your son marries to one of this woman's daughters? Their mother is already Armenian and even though the girl will not be brought up Armenian or know the language; but you guys can and would teach her as well as our culture. In the Arabic law, after she will be married with your son she follows her husband and his way of life. That she would have learned it already coming from her household and background. So it will be easy to integrate her into yours. I think the closest people to us are the Lebanese Christians, as usually they have gotten along with us and I think, they look up to us or at least to their favorable equal.

 

Now the other thing is that, how is the mother's character, personality and the children's characters? That's what you people should concentrate on.

[Takoush]

mx5:

 

Your son though is extremely young. He will soon go to college, right? Then he may meet other Armenian girls anyway. So if I were you I wouldn't worry about it.

 

Though I gave you my input above, but in the end it is yours, and frankly it will be one day your son's decision about choosing a woman for himself. Right?

[mx5]

mx5:

 

What is wrong if your son marries to one of this woman's daughters? Their mother is already Armenian and even though the girl will not be brought up Armenian or know the language; but you guys can and would teach her as well as our culture. In the Arabic law, after she will be married with your son she follows her husband and his way of life. That she would have learned it already coming from her household and background. So it will be easy to integrate her into yours. I think the closest people to us are the Lebanese Christians, as usually they have gotten along with us and I think, they look up to us or at least to their favorable equal.

 

Now the other thing is that, how is the mother's character, personality and the children's characters? That's what you people should concentrate on.

 

Thank you for the feedback but cant see why the lebanese Christians are closest to us,they hate us to our guts,specialy when they see us talking our own language among us ,the mere mentioning the name Armenia to them they take it as an personal insult.Their only consolation lyes in seeing us dumping our heritage as they did.

 

we descovered taht This womens husband introduced his wife .who is 100% armenian as a greek to his aquantances!!.on the other hand we pity the wife who seems to regret to the bones from the neglect she has been suffering from her husband and family over a dispute that he wants to have another baby, a son, but she insists that she doesnt want to.it seems that she has lost a four months baby when she was pregnant and they left the dead baby inside her for 5 more months obviously expacting a miracle,so she was afraid from this experiance.and now as she said to us the husband is threatening to have a child from another woman in case she rejected the idea!!.on the other hand she looks despatate to give her children to armenians...!!this is so horrible me and my wife we cant take her out of our minds and we are realy suffering for her situation .

 

last moth upon our insistance the husband at last bought her a small japanese car so that at least she can go to the city for the nesesery things.

 

She, his husband and 3 children they live in a house of 2 stories together with her father and mother in law,her sister and brother in law and their 3 children what is the chance of our kid surviving as armenian in such an arabic enviroment why should we take the unnesesery risk you think.

 

jack