kakachik77 Posted May 29, 2006 Report Share Posted May 29, 2006 apres Greek boy, very good, now please dont write in caps, I do realize your Greek, and somewhat arrogant, but its very unpolite and rude he is not a greek and needs to be banned from this forum. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zartonk Posted May 29, 2006 Report Share Posted May 29, 2006 Yes Mr. "Greek", please do not SCREAM your praise of our peole to us. Oh, And I forgot the trivia...when we have had civilization our contemporaries were still living on the trees! Now if I may propose a tost, it would be: Ladies and Gentelmen, lets drink for the evolution of the non-Armenians! Genats! Genats@t Gamo. Anush kez u mez! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Takoush Posted May 29, 2006 Report Share Posted May 29, 2006 he is not a greek and needs to be banned from this forum. Kakachike iravounk ouni, manavant vor shad angirt lezou ouni ays marte. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tigranisbasileus Posted May 29, 2006 Report Share Posted May 29, 2006 Kakachike iravounk ouni, manavant vor shad angirt lezou ouni ays marte. ma den ime ellhnas tote ti eimai; den ksero mprabo toulaxistov pos meriki me pisteuouv; good enough my amerigahyers.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tigranisbasileus Posted May 29, 2006 Report Share Posted May 29, 2006 Kakachike iravounk ouni, manavant vor shad angirt lezou ouni ays marte. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DominO123 Posted May 29, 2006 Report Share Posted May 29, 2006 he is not a greek and needs to be banned from this forum. Does it matter at this point? He's intertaining, we can expect that after playing with his keyboard one day he will find that key on left of A. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BiancaVella Posted June 18, 2006 Report Share Posted June 18, 2006 I want to know how an Armenian girl in New York can find a nice Armenian boy?! I've dated all sorts of odars -- White, South Asian, Latin American, Jewish.... My family, of course, has hated them all (particularly the Latin American one. My mother once told me he reminded her of Satan...) and I'm kind of sick of getting puzzled looks from men when I talk on the phone in Armenian. What do you all think of interracial dating among the Armenian diaspora (as it is so difficult to find each other!)? I don't think it's a bad thing, I just am now starting to realize that it is important to me to find somebody that can connect with my culture. There seem to be none of us in New York. Wow, hate is a such strong word... And being a Latina myself, I feel obliged to ask why your mother would be reminded of Satan by the Latin guy? I think that's really way too much. Did your ex have a tail or horns and hoofs? I've dated outside my race and I'm lucky cause my folks are very open minded and although they have the funniest broken English they've met my boyfriend who is a reserved mid-west white boy. I suppose that its all about the culture, enviroment and family you where raised in. I hope that you are not simply looking for an Armenian man to please your family. I don't speak for myself when I say that sometimes dating outside your race you learn to appreciate your culture a lot more and learn and appreciate others as well. ...I'm sorry that you get weird looks from men when speaking your language. But you shouldn't let that bother you cause its unique and it makes you who you are. When I speak Spanish, men find it real sexy, so maybe the guys you've dated just didn't appreciate your language but trust me, there are many men out there who find a woman who speaks a language other than English a real turn on! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yervant1 Posted October 9, 2006 Report Share Posted October 9, 2006 ...I'm sorry that you get weird looks from men when speaking your language. But you shouldn't let that bother you cause its unique and it makes you who you are. When I speak Spanish, men find it real sexy, so maybe the guys you've dated just didn't appreciate your language but trust me, there are many men out there who find a woman who speaks a language other than English a real turn on! I agree with you because I speak Bearian and Hyeforum ladies find that beary charming. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gmd Posted October 9, 2006 Report Share Posted October 9, 2006 So, I hope I don't get too off topic but here it goes. I joined this forum and a few others to try and reconnect with Armenians. I think this topic hits close to home for me. I was born in Yerevan but grew up in the US. For various reasons I did not establish close ties with other Armenians outside of family and family friends. In the end I married a non-Armenian. She was very motivated and began learning our language. However, after we were married she (and even I) were pretty much shunned from the "Armenian" community I knew. My circle of Armenians did not ignore me or anything like that but they did not accept her and treated me more and more like an odar. I realize, better late then never, that not all Armenians are like that but too many that I knew were. How do all the Armenians here feel about that. Isn't it better to accept the addition to our little community rather than lose the Armenian that marries and odar? If anything it expands our genepool and widens the overall community of people aware of our culture. Why do so many Armenians choose to view negatively any Armenians that marry outside the "family"? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yervant1 Posted October 9, 2006 Report Share Posted October 9, 2006 So, I hope I don't get too off topic but here it goes. I joined this forum and a few others to try and reconnect with Armenians. I think this topic hits close to home for me. I was born in Yerevan but grew up in the US. For various reasons I did not establish close ties with other Armenians outside of family and family friends. In the end I married a non-Armenian. She was very motivated and began learning our language. However, after we were married she (and even I) were pretty much shunned from the "Armenian" community I knew. My circle of Armenians did not ignore me or anything like that but they did not accept her and treated me more and more like an odar. I realize, better late then never, that not all Armenians are like that but too many that I knew were. How do all the Armenians here feel about that. Isn't it better to accept the addition to our little community rather than lose the Armenian that marries and odar? If anything it expands our genepool and widens the overall community of people aware of our culture. Why do so many Armenians choose to view negatively any Armenians that marry outside the "family"? Only narrow minded Armenians feel that way. Don't let those discourage you and keep you away from the Armenian community, you should get even closer and show them that they are wrong with their behaviour. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gmd Posted October 9, 2006 Report Share Posted October 9, 2006 Only narrow minded Armenians feel that way. Don't let those discourage you and keep you away from the Armenian community, you should get even closer and show them that they are wrong with their behaviour. ofcourse you are right in a sense and that is why at the age of 34 and 11 yrs of marriage i am looking for those Armenians who are truly concerned for the future of our people to communicate with. things are better with some of the people i have known especially among family but some friends i am better off not knowing as friends. thanks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eva Posted October 10, 2006 Report Share Posted October 10, 2006 (edited) You know I completely understand you, but if the people that surround you, call themselves " friends" , then they shouldn't treat you like that, and they aren't real friends...well never give up and don't get stressed out, I am sure there are other people who would understand you and support you.. Edited October 10, 2006 by konfetka Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eurocentric Posted October 13, 2006 Report Share Posted October 13, 2006 When you marry outside of your race there can no longer be "our people". When you marry outside of your ethnic group, that's different. An offspring of an Armenian and a Greek can potentially be an Armenian or a Greek. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gmd Posted October 13, 2006 Report Share Posted October 13, 2006 When you marry outside of your race there can no longer be "our people". When you marry outside of your ethnic group, that's different. An offspring of an Armenian and a Greek can potentially be an Armenian or a Greek. How do you define race and in this day and age is race a stronger internal force for an individual than ethnicity/nationality? I would think that a black, latino, asian, white American will have more in common with each other then with lets say a Spaniard, Middle Easterner, African or European. If you disagree then can you provide your reasons? In my own experience, my mother-in-law is Okinawan w/Japanese citizenship and my father-in-law is white American. My wife is culturally a mid-west American with traditional mid-west values. She just does not look like a typical "white" American. I was born in Yerevan but grew up in the US. She and I have more in common then would be obvious if you looked only at our "race". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eurocentric Posted October 13, 2006 Report Share Posted October 13, 2006 How do you define race and in this day and age is race a stronger internal force for an individual than ethnicity/nationality? I wouldn't, as it's a social construct for the most part based on culture and morphology/phenotype. I call it as I see it. I know who's White and who's not. I would say ethnicity is stronger; however, even that is ambiguous. One of the pre-requisites as far as i'm concerned for one to be an ethnic Armenian for example is to be of the "racial stock" of the Armenian majority. I obviously do not hold the same view in regards to Americans or Canadians but would apply the same concept to Norwegians or Nigerians for example. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gmd Posted October 13, 2006 Report Share Posted October 13, 2006 I wouldn't, as it's a social construct for the most part based on culture and morphology/phenotype. I call it as I see it. I know who's White and who's not. I would say ethnicity is stronger; however, even that is ambiguous. One of the pre-requisites as far as i'm concerned for one to be an ethnic Armenian for example is to be of the "racial stock" of the Armenian majority. I obviously do not hold the same view in regards to Americans or Canadians but would apply the same concept to Norwegians or Nigerians for example. I am no expert in this area, but Armenians today are not the "white" IndoEuropeans they may have been. Regardless of anyone's willingness to admit or accept, the fact remains that we have mixed over the span of our history with neighbors and invaders alike. Given the inherent impurity of many modern Armenian's blood, what choices are Armenian's left with? Thin out the racially pure Armenians from the mixed ones? How many Armenians would be left. Additionally, outside of the Basque no other people in recorded history have inbred succesfully. Distinct race developed in an isolated world with limited travel and communication options. Since technology makes the world a smaller place the advantedge falls on nations capable of obsorbing and assimilating new blood into the greater national gene pool with common cultural/nationalism as the unifying factor. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yervant1 Posted October 13, 2006 Report Share Posted October 13, 2006 I am no expert in this area, but Armenians today are not the "white" IndoEuropeans they may have been. Regardless of anyone's willingness to admit or accept, the fact remains that we have mixed over the span of our history with neighbors and invaders alike. Given the inherent impurity of many modern Armenian's blood, what choices are Armenian's left with? Thin out the racially pure Armenians from the mixed ones? How many Armenians would be left. Additionally, outside of the Basque no other people in recorded history have inbred succesfully. Distinct race developed in an isolated world with limited travel and communication options. Since technology makes the world a smaller place the advantedge falls on nations capable of obsorbing and assimilating new blood into the greater national gene pool with common cultural/nationalism as the unifying factor. Inclusiveness is the key to our success as a race and nation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
irlandahay Posted October 13, 2006 Report Share Posted October 13, 2006 When you marry outside of your race there can no longer be "our people". When you marry outside of your ethnic group, that's different. An offspring of an Armenian and a Greek can potentially be an Armenian or a Greek. nope. i am a product of a mixed marriage i am irish and armenain, i feel my place in both, of course i will marry an armenian this time because where will be my kids pride? oh im only 1/4 armenian...who cares. no, the irish have put up a good fight, but armenia needs help. as iv said before, my body may seem irish, but my soul is armenian! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eurocentric Posted October 14, 2006 Report Share Posted October 14, 2006 (edited) nope. i am a product of a mixed marriage i am irish and armenain, i feel my place in both, of course i will marry an armenian this time because where will be my kids pride? oh im only 1/4 armenian...who cares. no, the irish have put up a good fight, but armenia needs help. as iv said before, my body may seem irish, but my soul is armenian! You could be 100% Irish, I would still consider you an Armenian if you self-identify as an Armenian. I wouldn't consider a 1/2 Japanese, 1/2 Armenian an Armenian no matter what. But that's just me. Edited October 14, 2006 by Eurocentric Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eurocentric Posted October 14, 2006 Report Share Posted October 14, 2006 I am no expert in this area, but Armenians today are not the "white" IndoEuropeans they may have been. Regardless of anyone's willingness to admit or accept, the fact remains that we have mixed over the span of our history with neighbors and invaders alike. Given the inherent impurity of many modern Armenian's blood, what choices are Armenian's left with? Thin out the racially pure Armenians from the mixed ones? How many Armenians would be left. Additionally, outside of the Basque no other people in recorded history have inbred succesfully. Distinct race developed in an isolated world with limited travel and communication options. Since technology makes the world a smaller place the advantedge falls on nations capable of obsorbing and assimilating new blood into the greater national gene pool with common cultural/nationalism as the unifying factor. Indo-European is a language group, it has nothing to do with race, ethnicity or any people. African Americans are Indo-European! Armenians today are the same as they were in whatever era you are talking about. There are no "racially impure" Armenians because as far as i'm concerned if they're "racially impure" than they are not Armenian. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DominO123 Posted October 14, 2006 Report Share Posted October 14, 2006 You could be 100% Irish, I would still consider you an Armenian if you self-identify as an Armenian. I have a problem with that. I have hard time considering Armenian a 1/4 Armenian who doesn't know the language and who doesn't bother learning it, neither giving the chance to his/her children to learn it, and this no matter how hard that person consider himself/herself to be Armenian. Ethnicity is not only what you think you are, but also what others consider you to be and why for. If you consider truly yourself as an Armenian, the least you could do is at least learning to speak it, not even writting it, but speak it, or if you can't, doing everything possible so that your children could learn that language language at least. Being Armenian does not limit in liking Armenian food. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eurocentric Posted October 14, 2006 Report Share Posted October 14, 2006 I have a problem with that. I have hard time considering Armenian a 1/4 Armenian who doesn't know the language and who doesn't bother learning it, neither giving the chance to his/her children to learn it, and this no matter how hard that person consider himself/herself to be Armenian. Ethnicity is not only what you think you are, but also what others consider you to be and why for. If you consider truly yourself as an Armenian, the least you could do is at least learning to speak it, not even writting it, but speak it, or if you can't, doing everything possible so that your children could learn that language language at least. Being Armenian does not limit in liking Armenian food. I don't disagree obviously. I would hope and assume that if one self-identifies as an Armenian that they would at the very least learn the language. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SanVal Posted October 18, 2006 Report Share Posted October 18, 2006 How did a question about dating lead so quickly to a discussion about marriage? Just because you date outside of your ethnicity doesn't mean that you'll do the same when it comes to marriage. There are tons of people who date outside of their race but don't marry or have children with "outsiders." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boghos Posted October 18, 2006 Report Share Posted October 18, 2006 I think these days you date before getting married, so if you date non-Armenians, odds are you´ll marry non-Armenians. If you marry an Armenian solely for ethnic reasons than I am sure you are making a mistake. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tigranisbasileus Posted October 20, 2006 Report Share Posted October 20, 2006 I think these days you date before getting married, so if you date non-Armenians, odds are you´ll marry non-Armenians. If you marry an Armenian solely for ethnic reasons than I am sure you are making a mistake. I agree with you, if you go odar you will marry odar... I'm divorcing my wife because she just woke up that she wants to raise our kid armenian; Good thing i drafted a prenup and I'm getting sole custody! Its not only what you feel like but how you were raiased and how others view you.... Sorry Irlandahay, your not armenian... want it as much as you can even try hard the community will never accept you and even if you hook up with an armo girl your lst name isn't armenian... The biggest mistake was your father's who didn't have the couilles to put his foot down and face reality.... you got an irish name, you're irish; Your mother if she wanted to respect the memory of your ancestors should have married armenian; she didn't Like my ex says: I'm full your frind Arpi: she's only half; The Irish will accpet you open arms and they won't even care your armenian or half; You fight so hard for acceptance irlanda, for something that is given effortlessly to full armos... face the facts your Irish.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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