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LOL Sip - honesty...we can always expect that from you - LOL... I met my wife when we were playing on the same softball team together....she played second base...I was right field...so I will leave you to figure out (which of Sips two choices) was my first impression...LOL Seriously...I had noticed her and when I talked with her she was very friendly and upbeat...and of course...very cute...and I liked that I could have a decent conversation with her (and I guess we shared some similar interests)...and I don't know...I knew that I liked her (quite a bit)...and was determined to ask her out (which I eventually did). Whats funny though - is that before we were even dating...though I had "noticed" her and talked with her...I had this dream - A predictive dream...that I occasionally do have - and can recognixe them when I do...)...that we were to be married...and I actually started telling folks that....and sure enough - it turned out to be!

Yes its both nature and nurture...and a recent study here in the US claims that for poor families nature is more determinisitc for IQ, while for richer families nurtutre (envirinment)...which makes sense if you think about it. Most poor folks are less educated and have less resources to provide an environment to give specific advantages...while the richer folk can apply their resources to enhance the learning environment (and those who do this more turn out smarter kids....then they would have been otherwise)..etc Intelligence though is a difficult thisn to really measure or compare however - as there are many aspects to it - and not all are easily quatinfiable. Some folks excelll in ceertain areas, others in other areas... And on your issues about Black folks dominating every sport etc - not just politicaly incorrect perha[ps - but incorect IMO. Again - there are differences among African peoples to consider as well - not all are gentically/physically etc the same...and while ist seems that there are some differences in body types (even sizes) etc among races - and this can account for some succes in certain sports (or limitiations) - again one must consider environment. Kenyans train for marathons at high altitudes and their training is rigourous etc. American Blacks are descended of slaves who survived extrmely harsh conditions - perhaps weeding out the less fit...there are all kinds of facotrs. And I don't really expect Africans or Blacks to be dominating swimming or skiing or such anytime soon - if ever...And agasin - its all not so simple...

Bittersweet - I think it can work really well (and is an increasing trend according to a news stroy I just read a few days ago). When i was younger I nearly always dated gals who were older then I (some of this was for reasons that Sev-Mard mentions...). I felt that older women were generally much more together and sure what they wanted etc...(well ussualy this meant that they were in their mid-late 20s when I was in my late teens/early 20s...though once I dated a gal who was 42...when I was 25). It was also good for me learning how to treat a women right and please her etc (yeah - they "trained" me...LOL - true...) ...valuable lessons that have done me well throughout my life...

LOL I had a Turkish friend in high school - and I used to rib him mercilessly (and get others too as well)...saying "Every thanksgiving Tunc eats Turkey with a shovel"...(well we thought it was funny...he would get infuriated about it...) LOL. I also used to claim that he was too nice to be a Turk (etc)...and that he must really be Armenian...(even though he had 100% asiatic features)...LOL

OIC...your link...these were auto generated....well I tried the "other" me...LOL W.I.N.S.T.O.N.: Wireless Intelligent Neohuman Skilled in Troubleshooting and Online Nullification (I like it!) and when I first read my other one - I was thinking it said: T.H.O.T.H.: Transformed Humanoid Optimized for Troubleshooting and Harem LOL (and I was thinking - just like those silly horoscopes - seemingly so true...)

Yes very funny Sip...but I think you have too much time on your hands...and you really do need a girlfriend dude...even a synthetic one perhaps...

wait, I are you saying that you want to get a full time job instead of University? I hope not. This is the best time of your life. You are on a paid vacation while you are at school and don't worry about working, you will have to work for 40+ years after you graduate. So enjoy school. agreed...

Yes and no - obviously males and females are different - and sometimes do different things - but there still can be equality in the relationship. Hey my wife works a (serious) full time job just like me...so... And yes - I do the (most all the) cooking (though my wife is the baker...), I clean (OK - she does more...), dishes (were pretty even...perhaps she has a slight edgge...but I do the cooking remember?), buy clothes (even...really - we each buy our own ['cept for the naughty stuff! ...thats me! LOL] ...and we both buy for the kids...), clean the toilet and sweep floors...(well we have a maid...LOL) - so even, grocceries (my nearly 100%), serve guests...(OK even - but I get the edge here - since i ussually make the food, and we both set the table together etc...but I ussually put on the show -as it were - LOL)...Oh and I take care of cars, do all gardening and outdoor stuff (lots), cut the lawn, play sports with the kids etc....we both help them with homework 9though I'd giver her the slight edge...I do most all projects and read to/with them more perhaps...) and she (mostly, though not entirely) does the laundry (and I'm not much of an ironer)...hmm...so how is that? Equal enough?

Yeah Bitterweet...you are likely right. Unfortunately Seaphan - and others like him (guys & gals) are really missing out IMO (in so many ways). There is nothing so special in life then love and the caring and emotions that come with it (both ways). Are there personal sacrifices? Certainly/assuradly - but when is there not - for something worth having/experiencing? Sure - I can't also understate the benefits/worthyness or what have you just even considering the physical aspects of a relationship (hubba hubba etc LOL) - but - in my experience they pale in comparision to the emotional feelings (the joy of loving someone and being loved and all that goes with it) and the benefit of close companionship and having an intimate friend etc - really (of course the physical is often a big part of this as well...though not always even...and like has been pointed out by others...some of this is replacable - to an extent [though not fully adequatly...at all...]...with ones own means [the trusty hand as it were!]...LOL...or through the use of DEVICES - LOL! - joking here...though sadly - in many cases this is the best it gets for some folks...and a real shame there...). But to me - these relationships are what is precious in life - the most precious outside of immediate family (incl having your own). And you should learn alot about yourself - and how to give of yourself - and this is important...and immensly satisfying in itself...and a close loving relationship - filled with doing/experiencing things together (and even seperatly - but that you want to share your feelings/experieinces etc with someone...well it doesn't get any better...(and should be experienced [often/many times] when your young) - IMO (as life does go by so quickly...and one can never go back) And maybe I'm unusual - in that I love/fall in love easily (and often)...LOL...and I also (in my life) have formed fast bonds with my friends...and even girlfriends (where our relationship [as friends] sometimes even continues after we split) - and I know that this is unusual (but I am a forgiving person [and someone who really tries and does see the positive in persons that I care about...]...and someone whom I think is also easy to love....once others gets to know me...they know that I am a good prerson with a good heart - sort of thing....not one to play games or (intentionally) hurt someone...even if I do blabber on at times (and am perhaps a bit high on myself - LOL)

Yes I did Yalpa...thanks - and sorry for not getting back to you - been a bit busy...but I'll try to send you something later today if possible...

Very powerful post Domino...thank you... Is this book available at all in English? (IE - how were you able to obtain this if I might ask?)

'Bruin - well congrats on finding your perfect salad dressing - LOL Though my advice (to you gals) is don't be fooled by the fancy outer wrappings...its whats inside that matters most... Speaking of salad dressings - I tend to make my own - in fact a friend of mine who owns a (natural/whole) food distribution company has discussed marketing/distributing some of my dressings. One I'm particualry proud of is a Pommegrant vinagrete...made, of course, with real pomebrante juice! Its heavenly I tell you...even a goddess would approve! LOL

Well yes - please look at my first response in this thread - perhaps we are more on the same page then we might admit...still - the worth of this is unprovable...I mean we can say - yes it is worhtwhile...but who is really to say?

Fasi - its not that I don't agree with you (I basically do)...but I think that this is unproven/unprovable...its just - in a sense - another article of faith...

Azat - I'm not sure that it is what they like...but there is na issue regarding the type of guys that many women are atraccted to (that get the juices flowing as it were) - and often - while these guys might be exciting and might be percieved as someone notworthy or what have you - to be seen with -0 they often are not really great boyfriend (loving & caring and all that) material...shame really that (some/many) gals are as you say - shallow - or at least not understanding of these things...

No problem Azat - I'll let you pay...I'm not particular - (but don't expect a kiss on the first date)...LOL

Thanks...seems well worth looking into...

Well...why would anyone listen to Sinatra...when there is Aznavour! LOL

OK - enough of the sappy stuff (yet still, perhaps along the same lines...well it is somewhat on topic..)...LOL Van halen - Everybody Wants Some!! You can't get romantic on a subway line. Conductor don't like it, says you're wastin' your time. But ev'rybody wants some. I want some too. Ev'rybody wants some. Baby, how 'bout you? I seen a lotta people lookin' for a moonbeam. Yeah, ya spent a lot. Ya got lost in the jet-stream. But ev'rybody wants some. I want some too. Ev'rybody wants some. Baby, how 'bout you? I like the way the line runs up the back of the stockings. I've always liked those kind of high heels too. You know, I... No no no no, don't take 'em off, don't take... Leave 'em on, leave 'em on. Yeah, that's it, a little more to the right, a little more.... Ev'rybody wants some. I want some too. Ev'rybody wants some. Baby, how 'bout you? Ev'rybody wants some. Ev'rybody needs some. Ev'rybody wants some. Ev'rybody needs some.

Funny - makes me remember way way back when - I used to work at this Greek restaurant - and one of the Greeks - named Angelo - well he was an older guy, umarried of course.... (..and I could go on and on about this guy...he lived out of his car BTW [washed up at the restaurant] - and was always playing the horses...well when he won big at the track he would disapear for weeks...off whoring according to the other Greeks! LOL) ..well this guy would occasionally come up and put his (slimey) arm around your shoulder and administer his advice to you about life...and it was always of a very interesting - but somewhat dubious - perspective. Well once he did this with me - and his words were "Winston, never get married....better to just have/use prostitutes...because you know...you just end up paying for it in the end anway..." Well - I won't comment further on that....LOL

I don't, Azaty Poo. Can I take you out for dinner? LOL - well your just special.... I'm not hard up about who pays...though as a man I do expect to pay and always am ready to do so...particualrly at the beginning of any relationship (I mean come on now!) ...of course once i would get to know a gal - and there might be a situation where I didn't have the cash for some reason or another - I had no qualms about suggesting that she could pay this time...or just letting her offer and do so...etc But yes - times have changed - and women are working and makig money and can pay for dinner, or theater tickets or what not (and its always great when a gal would call you up or such and say - I just bought tickets to the such and such concert/event or what have you - and I want you to go with me! etc...yeah that feels good (used to I mean...I'm married now of course and that changes everything...in a sense it doesn't matter who pays...as we combine all of our accounts etc...so while I ussually might pay - not always...sometimes she gets some bonuses or such for her card...that sort of thing...or whatever...). But in my mind - if a guy isn't ready and willing to pay when he takes a fine lady out to dinner...etc...well I gotta think something is wrong...

Thats such a shame. I've never been like that. When I like someone (and I ussually am talking female here - though not necissarily - I'm taslking about a friend - be it female or male) - I often buy them things - because I will see things that make me think of them/what they might like or be into. Of course this is particualty true with gals who are special too me. I remember when my wife and I were first dating (and barely even at that) - she was always surprised that nearly always when I would see her I would have a little something...and for her birthday (and this is after we only had gone out on a date or two...and she already had a sort of a steady b/f BTW [that I only really found out about later]....LOL) I bought her some very nice crystal champagne glasses - she couldn't beleive it! Well - we put them to use (and we still have them...)...and the rest is history LOL - as it were...(funny though - I also bought the same glasses for another gal I was seeing around the same time...she also liked them...and was surprised...LOL...and though we are still friends...nearly 20 years later...well..our relationship didn't quite evolve the same way...not that this was my intention/purpose for the gift...though i certainly wouldn't have minded - LOL) But I really just can't understand folks (guys..?). When I like someone - particularly if I really like them/care about them - I am always thinking of them - and thinking of things that they would like...doesn't always have to be a big thing...its really the thought (literally) that counts. And I've been friends with gals(and I'm not even talking girlfriend per se) where we were always getting and exchanging gifts with each other (sometimes even naughty stuff! LOL)...it really makes a relationship special...because you are constantly remined of that person when you see something that they bought you etc..and I still have many of the little gifts that she and another gal I used to exchange gifts with (both many many years ago) that make me think of them...and that still makes me feel good...(and guess its why various gal's parents that I was friends with - but not necisarily...or at that time...their boyfriend etc - well they always were telling me how their folks told them they should be going out with or even marry me - versus the loser they were seeing at the time...LOL - of course some of those "losers" were (also) my (good) friends...LOL (and - also funny - one of my friends even (profusely) thanked me once for some of the naughty gifts I had bought for his girlfriend!!!! LOL...hey we used to have lots of fun with it...what can I say...? They are married now - for a long while - and have children and we are all still great friends and do lots of stuff together...and still joke about some of the gifts etc LOL)

OK Sip - perhaps you are right of course...who is to know...not that any of it makes any difference now...what we chose and what we acted on i the past - well its already happened and cannot change (and yeah though - regrets...I have a few...hmm heard that somewhere before...and i am the type to run over past scenarious over and over and think what could I have done different etc...not good perhaps...but I can't help it...). And it really does suck getting old (even if for the most part I really don't feel all that much differently then I did when I was in my 20s...for the most part...physically/mentally [so far..] etc...) And Sip - if we ever meet - well prepare youself...LOL...yeah I'm very touchy-feely (and I don't care if it makes you uncomfortable)...LOL...yeah - big (lobster claw like) pinch on the cheek comming up!

Gamavor - Again i don't dicount what you say...to some degree...but really - I come accross lots of women who I think are pretty together (physically, emotionaly, itellectually etc0 - at leasst o the level that I interact with them (but I'm not dating anyone at the moment -LOL - and haven't been for a long time now...). So I don't know what to say. Yeah American society has its shortcommings - and this is reflected on peoples values and what they are into/care about etc - and their perspectives on things...but there are many gals (and guys) that reject a lot of this and do have more going for them....and don't know - maybe I just know more hippie chicks or what not then you - I don't know - but I feel that I know a fair number of gals who are very grounded/down to earth and beautiful (even if not necissarily beauties per se...)....and perhaps like "Bruin - you are setting your standard for physical beauty to high (or such) and the porportion of these sorts of people who are screwed up his higher then just the normal folks...don't know...

Harut - well good luck to you to...and it ain't so bad (this loss of freedom issue...overblown I think)...and speaking of...often you do get that blessing...particualrly if you are properly worshipful at the temple...LOL And Gams..well - glad to have made your day...I don't discount what you say (about the physical condition and what have you of many gals here)...but all I can tell you is that some places where I go out ad walk around 9as i am about to do now - to get some lunch) - well I fall in love (lust perhaps...) every day! So don't tell me that there aren't plenty of women worthy etc...thats just untrue....and of course we are concentrating on the physical aspects - and there is much more then just that...but I really thik that a lot of you guys are really giving the gals a bum wrap. I know the perception of gold-digging women & such...but I think that often that is also exaggerated. Sure gals are interested in guys with money (particuialrly if they know how to lavish it one them etc)...but OK - the trappings of it all - but thats very much because of the histlry where females have been much more limited in making it on their own. I mean you try for the highest paying job you can get basically - and don't wish to live in poverty...well why would a gal want to "settle" for less then maybe she could get as well. But I still don't think that most gals consider this the #1 criteria...or at least there are very many where this isn't the main factor of interest or such (as funny as that key to the temple comment was...LOL)...