Why Listen To "rabiz"?

[Anoushik]

Pffffff

I share your pain.

[Hye_Acher]

Կարելի է իմանալ ինչու էնք շարունակում խոսել այս անիմաստ թեմայի մասին?

 

Good Day!!!

[Anoushik]

Acher, I wish I could have the time to figure out how to type in Armenian, but since I don't... inchu e ays teman animast?

[ExtraHye]

Don't know about acherik, but different people have different taste in music. Must there be a reason for this?

[kakachik77]

Noric em grum, haytnelov sxals!. kani vor tariner araj, im harcin mi ergich sxal er patasxanel, es gitei te irok rabiz bare galis e "BIS" armatic, baic hetakrkrvelov ev gtnelov mi web site, es kardaci vor Rabiz bare nshanakum e` "RABOTNIKI ISKUSTVA" . neroxamit exek, ete inch vor mi ban, sxal em grel, vorovhetev indz sxal texekutyun en tvel Rabiz bari hamar, baic aynuamenayniv noric asum em vor Rabiz ergichnere ergum en mer arorya kyanki, ev hatkapes mer HAYRENIKI masin, u noric krknum em vor marde chi karox lini, RABIZ. rabiz karox e linel mimiayn ergn ir erajshtutyamb handerdz!!! ergiche vor ergum e inke hamarvuma rabiz ergox, baic vor asum en seva hagel, esim incha arel da chi nshanakum vor inke Rabiz e!!!

husov em haskacak imaste! ev mi avelacum el, ete asum ek vor hay ergichnere irenc ergeri mej avelacnum en turkakan erajshtutyun, isk duk giteik vor naxkan mer ogtagorcele irenc erger, irenk mer shalaxonern en vercel? isk gitek vor adrbejancinere asum en Sayat Novan merna? baic chgiten vor Sayat Novai anune Harutyun Sahakyan e... ev kxndrei chmexadrel....

aysorva drutyamb turk ergchuhin erg e ergum duduki zugakcutyamb, isk da chek asum che? menak asum ek vor hayere ergum en muxam!, kxndrei vor amen inch parzeik Anushik jan heto nor xosenk et temayov!!

RAB-IZ - Rabochoye iskustvo aka working class art

[Dave]

I know about this very well... The Armenians of Lebanon and Syria that are 30 years old or more speak Turkish, including my parents here and my relatives there (they try to hide their knowledge of Turkish, but I know)

You might also want to know that Turkish channels are available there. Some of my relatives in Lebanon, especially my grandmother buy turkish CDs and watch turkish shows. There isn't this problem with the younger generations.

 

If you hear Turkish music in the streets of Bourdj Hammoud, you would know that the driver is Armenian... Some Lebanese and Syrian Armenians probably don't even know what ''rabiz'' is!

[ArmenianDrummer]

Well as i was readin this at work ..I had to register and speak for my armenian people.. HI EVERYONE IM ROB...im 21 male/ and im a armenian musician..Not just a studio musician ..but a Note reader and i can also right notes..TO being with..TATA is rabiz ..but hes the only rabiz tats allowed in armenia..And someone aid tat his music is weakly arranged (HAHA) ur on crack! Tatas music is one of the mose complex music every written..They have the most note breaks and its completely live...NO drum machinhes no effects...ARAM IS NOT RABIZ..lol ARAM is garbage...he uses turkish lyrics for all his songs so does his son..RABIZ is People like TATOUL VLE HAIKO tats hardcore rabiz..tat the music is soo poor tat they have 1 keyboard and clarinet...THEY have no drummer no guitar no bass ..its the weakest form of music..I have played with many armenian artist.. pretty much u say their name i have played music with them.. TATA and ARMENCHIK are the best armenian musicians. TATS THE BOTTOM LINE

[dianjan]

Well as i was readin this at work ..I had to register and speak for my armenian people.. HI EVERYONE IM ROB...im 21 male/ and im a armenian musician..Not just a studio musician ..but a Note reader and i can also right notes..TO being with..TATA is rabiz ..but hes the only rabiz tats allowed in armenia..And someone aid tat his music is weakly arranged (HAHA) ur on crack! Tatas music is one of the mose complex music every written..They have the most note breaks and its completely live...NO drum machinhes no effects...ARAM IS NOT RABIZ..lol ARAM is garbage...he uses turkish lyrics for all his songs so does his son..RABIZ is People like TATOUL VLE HAIKO tats hardcore rabiz..tat the music is soo poor tat they have 1 keyboard and clarinet...THEY have no drummer no guitar no bass ..its the weakest form of music..I have played with many armenian artist.. pretty much u say their name i have played music with them.. TATA and ARMENCHIK are the best armenian musicians. TATS THE BOTTOM LINE

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First of all, I want to remind everyone what was said in the beginning of this thread. "Do not dismiss the music, just because of the style". Give it a chance first. I do not like most of Rabiz music, however I really love listening to Tata. I listen to many Armenian singers, and I trully don't care what genre they sing in. I just like their music. I read that many people in this thread think that Aram is not a "singer". I agree that some of his songs are not good. However, one of my favorite songs is "Yes Kez Shat Shat Shat Sirumem". I am not sure if he wrote this song originally or coppied it, however that's my favorite song. I trully can't listen to some of the new music produced by Armenian musicians. Both Rabiz and not Rabiz music. I do believe that new Armenian music has gotten worse in last few years. One of my favorite singers is still Boka, and many singers that my grandmother listened to. Unfortunatelly I do not know their names.

[ArmenianDrummer]

First of all, I want to remind everyone what was said in the beginning of this thread. "Do not dismiss the music, just because of the style". Give it a chance first. I do not like most of Rabiz music, however I really love listening to Tata. I listen to many Armenian singers, and I trully don't care what genre they sing in. I just like their music. I read that many people in this thread think that Aram is not a "singer". I agree that some of his songs are not good. However, one of my favorite songs is "Yes Kez Shat Shat Shat Sirumem". I am not sure if he wrote this song originally or coppied it, however that's my favorite song. I trully can't listen to some of the new music produced by Armenian musicians. Both Rabiz and not Rabiz music. I do believe that new Armenian music has gotten worse in last few years. One of my favorite singers is still Boka, and many singers that my grandmother listened to. Unfortunatelly I do not know their names.

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Ur favorite aram song is a turkish translation...

[dianjan]

Ur favorite aram song is a turkish translation...

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I can't discriminate types of music just because it has Turkish influence. I love that song, and that's not going to change just because of that.

[hayemyes]

Ur favorite aram song is a turkish translation...

 

I would like some further information on that. I have studied music too and I play keyboards, and I would like some evidence to support that, because in no ways does it have any Turkish influence (Im talking about the song Yes Kez Shad Shad Shad Sirum Em), especially this song. If we were to talk about Sev Sev Acher or Akh Hayasdan Hayasdan there might be a point, but not in this one. I just don't like to see people put the turkish tag on all of the songs of a singer who has 2-3 turkish song. Take Armen Aloyan for instance, he was, at some point pure rabiz, but he has achieved with his last CD to change that view and become more of a estradayin pop singer, and it doesn't mean that just because he had some rabiz cds his version of Horovel is rabiz.

[AlenAlen]

I am also new, I have a few thoughts about this topic but I'll keep it short:

Personally, I like both. I think Jazz is the "rabiz" of America. At first it wasnt accepted, and now it's very much accepted and even respected. You know how Jazz is fun to play and listen to? Well, rabiz is very much the same. You feel good when you listen to it adn play it. The main reason why young people dont listen to classical Armenian is because their friends dont listen to it. And their friends dont listen to it becaause it's not advertised at all. I think the term rabiz was used as more of an insult to those singers that didn't sing classical Armenian songs. I don't consider Tata or Harout to be rabiz... just look at what songs they have performed in teh past: Tata has many classical songs in his old cd, and Harout sings mostly gusanakan songs. And Hayko sings better classical/gusanakan songs than most singers. Rabiz is a hybrid of Jazz and classical in my opinion. If students only learn classical in schools, then how do they play rabiz?? Because they are mostly the same. Rabiz comes from classical songs. As far as Aram, I dont even wanna talk about him, hes just a bad singer, even though he has a few good songs.

[AlenAlen]

Well as i was readin this at work ..I had to register and speak for my armenian people.. HI EVERYONE IM ROB...im 21 male/ and im a armenian musician..Not just a studio musician ..but a Note reader and i can also right notes..TO being with..TATA is rabiz ..but hes the only rabiz tats allowed in armenia..And someone aid tat his music is weakly arranged (HAHA) ur on crack! Tatas music is one of the mose complex music every written..They have the most note breaks and its completely live...NO drum machinhes no effects...ARAM IS NOT RABIZ..lol ARAM is garbage...he uses turkish lyrics for all his songs so does his son..RABIZ is People like TATOUL VLE HAIKO tats hardcore rabiz..tat the music is soo poor tat they have 1 keyboard and clarinet...THEY have no drummer no guitar no bass ..its the weakest form of music..I have played with many armenian artist.. pretty much u say their name i have played music with them.. TATA and ARMENCHIK are the best armenian musicians. TATS THE BOTTOM LINE

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I agree with the Rob. Tata's live music can't be beat. And Armenchik's arrangements can't be beat. As far as the rest, they're just too primitive. Tata's keyboard player (Prof) is the best player I've seen. The guy can play a completely different song with each hand. And Armenchik's arranger (Armen) has the most unique and best arrangements

[MosJan]

isn't Armen also Armenchiks keyboard player ?

[AlenAlen]

isn't  Armen  also  Armenchiks keyboard player ?

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Tata's is Prof. Armenchik's is Armen

[AlenAlen]

Tata's is Prof. Armenchik's is Armen

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Sorry, didnt read carefully. Armen mostly does the accompaniment, and some solos. But a lot of the solos is done by his solo keyboardd player Gevork. and armen's brother directs the videos

[MosJan]

Thanks For the info & Welcome to HyeForum

[Anoushik]

I am also new, I have a few thoughts about this topic but I'll keep it short:

Personally, I like both. I think Jazz is the "rabiz" of America. At first it wasnt accepted, and now it's very much accepted and even respected. You know how Jazz is fun to play and listen to? Well, rabiz is very much the same. You feel good when you listen to it adn play it. The main reason why young people dont listen to classical Armenian is because their friends dont listen to it. And their friends dont listen to it becaause it's not advertised at all. I think the term rabiz was used as more of an insult to those singers that didn't sing classical Armenian songs. I don't consider Tata or Harout to be rabiz... just look at what songs they have performed in teh past: Tata has many classical songs in his old cd, and Harout sings mostly gusanakan songs. And Hayko sings better classical/gusanakan songs than most singers. Rabiz is a hybrid of Jazz and classical in my opinion. If students only learn classical in schools, then how do they play rabiz?? Because they are mostly the same. Rabiz comes from classical songs. As far as Aram, I dont even wanna talk about him, hes just a bad singer, even though he has a few good songs.

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AlenAlen, you can't possibly compare what Jazz music was to America to what rabiz is to Armenia currently. The reason is because Jazz was a completely new music. Sure, its precursors were the blues, ragtime, brass-band music, and syncopated music, but overall jazz developed into a complete new style of music.

 

Rabiz is a combination of Armenian estrada and polluted Armenian traditional music, and overall highly influenced by the music of our MUSLIM neighbors. It sounded completely like Arabic music a couple of years ago, but it has changed a bit. It's still disgusting to my ears. And what makes it worse is that the performers of so-called rabiz (it's so sad that rabiz has become a music category) don't know how to sing. They whine, yell, scream, bleat, and do a very untasteful vibrato, but they don't sing. What is sad is that the generally uneducated audience (or musically uneducated, I should say) listen to this noise continuously and get used to it. They think this is how singing should be. Their ears have become immune to this noise, and they can no longer appreciate finer performances.

 

I think the nature of rabiz music is that it is supposed to be whined so bad. I can't imagine of a rabiz music performed normally. Actually sung, instead of whined. If it was sung tastefully it wouldn't be rabiz in the first place.

[AlenAlen]

I do not want to offend anyone.    It is just very unclear what is so appealing about something with arabic and turkish music with very empty lyrics.

And I do understand that for parties and weddings uplifting music is needed and traditional folk music does not work.  So why not listen to Armenian pop music even if we don't have much pop in the market? If the Armenians wanted to we could demand of the singers to change their style of singing and theirs choice of songs with something more pop with Armenian roots. So the question is not that we don't have access to Armenian pop and all we have to deal with is "rabiz". The "rabiz" music exists because Armenians want "rabiz" to exist. I just want you guys to tell me why you want "rabiz" to exist. 

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Because rabiz singers sing with more soul. There's more emotion in the song. An example is Spitaktsi Hayko. I only listen to teh songs taht he didnt write himself (gusanakan, etc...). And I would much rather listen to him sing sayat nova than hovanes badalyan or anyone else like that because he sings with more emotion. Thats why people like rabiz. And also, not all rabiz songs are meaningless. some rabiz signers have good lyrics. By the way, I dont consider tatoul, hovo, adn those other turkish singers to be rabiz singers, they'er not singers at all. they suck

[AlenAlen]

It's still disgusting to my ears. They whine, yell, scream, bleat, and do a very untasteful vibrato, but they don't sing.

 

I think the nature of rabiz music is that it is supposed to be whined so bad. I can't imagine of a rabiz music performed normally. Actually sung, instead of whined. If it was sung tastefully it wouldn't be rabiz in the first place.

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Obviously were not talking about the same type of rabiz music. Like i said, i dont consider tatoul, hovo, etc to be singers at all, so lets pretend they dont even exist. I consider Araz, Hayko, Aloyan, etc to be "rabiz" singers. I only label them rabiz cuz theyre not traditional/classical singers. Araz has good lyrics adn actually has a normal voice. Hayko and Aloyan sing better traditional/folk songs tahn many traditional singers. They just do it with more feeling, which is why i like "rabiz".

[Anoushik]

Obviously were not talking about the same type of rabiz music. Like i said, i dont consider tatoul, hovo, etc to be singers at all, so lets pretend they dont even exist. I consider Araz, Hayko, Aloyan, etc to be "rabiz" singers. I only label them rabiz cuz theyre not traditional/classical singers. Araz has good lyrics adn actually has a normal voice. Hayko and Aloyan sing better traditional/folk songs tahn many traditional singers. They just do it with more feeling, which is why i like "rabiz".

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Oh, OK, you're talking about the old rabiz The combination of polluted Armenian traditional music with Russian estrada. If I had to choose (what a horrible idea) I'd pick old rabiz

 

I applaud you for calling Hayko and Co. rabiz. I believe you are the first person for so many years to agree that rabiz remains rabiz. I guess there have been so many levels of rabiz style over the years that we should further categorize them to avoid confusion

[armjan]

does anyone have a defn of what rabiz is?

is it on wikipedia?

[AlenAlen]

Oh, OK, you're talking about the old rabiz The combination of polluted Armenian traditional music with Russian estrada. If I had to choose (what a horrible idea) I'd pick old rabiz

 

I applaud you for calling Hayko and Co. rabiz. I believe you are the first person for so many years to agree that rabiz remains rabiz. I guess there have been so many levels of rabiz style over the years that we should further categorize them to avoid confusion

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I've been listening to armenian music for 4 or 5 years now, no rap, no r&b, no american stuff, etc... so i kno my armenian music pretty well, and all this time, i've been trying to categorize my style, but i still havent yet. i guess it just depends from song to song. as of now, i like classical/traditional songs with a twist of rabiz arrangements and singing. in my opinion, sometimes traditional is too boring as far as how the music is arranged. i dont know.....i have too much to say about the subject.........

[MosJan]

[MosJan]