Anoushik Posted June 2, 2004 Author Report Share Posted June 2, 2004 WE ALL LIKE IT I don't like it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArmMusic Posted June 2, 2004 Report Share Posted June 2, 2004 I don't like it. You failed to see my sarcasm, Read the paragraph over Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nairi Posted June 2, 2004 Report Share Posted June 2, 2004 Is what Gor Mkhitarian says about Rabiz in this interview true? It's the first time I'm hearing that so many people would listen to the radio from Baku. (Btw, you don't want to be called Gor in Iran, but that's another story...): SE : You talk about the British rock and American folk genres as forming the basis of your songwriting. Why do you thing you were so drawn to these styles of music? GM : My brothers have been the reason for that. About 20-30 years ago, during the Communist Era, Soviet Armenia had a great number of "illegal" American and British records. My brothers listened to very "deep underground" music such as the Beatles, Led Zeppelin, and Deep Purple. Naturally that influenced the development of my musical taste into something very different from the mainstream taste. I'm lucky they didn't listen to Azeri music, which was very popular at the time. About 70-80 percent of the people would turn on the radio and listen to the AM frequency coming from Baku. Because Armenia was under Communism at the time, the music was force fed to us and limited choices were all that were available. So, people became comfortable with Azeri and Turkish music in Armenia and that has become the basis for much of the "Rabiz" or pop music that is so popular today. http://www.gormusic.com/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anoushik Posted June 2, 2004 Author Report Share Posted June 2, 2004 You failed to see my sarcasm, Read the paragraph over Oh sorry, but I still don't see the sarcasm in that. I must be very tired today. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Armen Posted June 2, 2004 Report Share Posted June 2, 2004 Guys check this out. The girl gets on my nerves but this is cool. www.geocities.com/grandcandyremix Damn, I hate that girl! Armenian TV Grand Candy ads freaked the hell out of me a year ago. Thanks for the good memories Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gevo27 Posted June 2, 2004 Report Share Posted June 2, 2004 Oh sorry, but I still don't see the sarcasm in that. I must be very tired today. You just need to play the piano and sooth your nerves...... or.. you may be tired from playing the piano.. in which case.. i cant help you there.. lol.. Anoushik jan,,, who isnt tired But i agree with ArmMusic.. very good description with the situation of rabiz music Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gurgen Posted June 2, 2004 Report Share Posted June 2, 2004 It's low-brow music and sometimes people need low-brow music. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
[OP]HYEMP3KING Posted July 30, 2004 Report Share Posted July 30, 2004 LIke Vartan said, Rabiz is good on dance floor, and I would say it's folk music, not counting the artists who translate from turkish/greek/arabic ===> Armenian. What about our young people here in the U.S. who listen to rap music, which is dangerous, destructive, and a very bad influence to young adults, as well as children. I think we should encourage more people to listen to ARMENIAN <== music rather than any rap or any other language, cause after all, whther u like it or not, we're all ARMENIAN <----! And we should get in touch with our artists and encourage them to use more ARMENIAN songs/lyrics versus any translations from other languages (i.e. turkish, Arabic, etc.), becuase we don't have many writers/composers these days in Armenia and abroad, and cannot compensate for the demand set by the Armenian public....therefore they must resort to copying other artists' work in order to make $$$ for their own cd's. And btw....TATA <== writes all his music. So does Aram Asatryan, Aida Sargsyan....but for Spitaktzi Hayko I know for a fact that his music is from turkish music, teh lyrics would probably be the same I'm assuming, but I don't know, considering I don't speak any turkish. So I mean people out there, calling rabiz....see when I think of rabiz, I think of singers like this: Spitaktzi Hayko, Tatoul Avoyan, Uzbek, Mino, Vle, Karen Gevorgyan, etc......you get my drift? Those are rabiz singers...not Tata or Aram Asatryan, or Aida Sargsyan. You listen to their music and it is no comparison to those singers I mentioned above. I consider Aram, Aida, and Tata as pop actually, especially considering the music that they generate from their songs, it is more toward pop. Anyway, I have to go listen to my favorite singers in the world now....Aida Sargsyan <=== #1, and my #2 favorite.... TATA. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Armen Posted July 30, 2004 Report Share Posted July 30, 2004 [OP]HYEMP3KING, I would say Aram Asatrian is obviously rabiz, Aida Sargsian has 2 non-rabiz folk songs: "Lorke" and "Shirkhani". All other stuff is rabiz. Tata is walking on the red line of becoming rabiz but somehow manages to balance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hayemyes Posted August 1, 2004 Report Share Posted August 1, 2004 Well i see itys the same subject all over again lool...well if u guys want the truth having some education in music and all i dont see how people can classify aram as rabiz and tata not rabiz. They either both are rabiz or theyre both not rabiz. If aram is rabiz then tata is rabiz automatically because their styles are very similar, except for the fact that when aram had just started becoming famous he had a couple of turkish tunes. As for other pop singers, i dont think they sound any more armenian than tatoul or hayko, since there isnt anything armenian about ruben hakhverdian's music or the songs from hayko's new cd "norits" except for the lyrics. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anoushik Posted August 3, 2004 Author Report Share Posted August 3, 2004 Both Aram and Tata are rabiz Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Armen Posted August 3, 2004 Report Share Posted August 3, 2004 Both Aram and Tata are rabiz Yes, but Aram is more rabiz than Tata. Besides singing rabiz, Aram dresses rabiz, has rabiz looks and voice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anoushik Posted August 3, 2004 Author Report Share Posted August 3, 2004 They're both still rabiz. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Armen Posted August 3, 2004 Report Share Posted August 3, 2004 They're both still rabiz. You sound like a guy Half of Tata's songs are not rabiz. However, their musical arragement is poor, which makes them sound like rabiz. E.g. "Jutak" can never be classified as rabiz. It is a Armenian party dance song on the basis of sythesis using music from Tiflis and Black Sea Armenian communities and Soviet Estrada. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anoushik Posted August 3, 2004 Author Report Share Posted August 3, 2004 You sound like a guy How so? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Armen Posted August 3, 2004 Report Share Posted August 3, 2004 No signs of flexibility. You don't accept terms like "more" rabiz or "less" rabiz, "hopeless" rabiz or "wannabe" rabiz, "soontobe" rabiz and "quarterpast" rabiz. See it is a whole new world out there ... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
[OP]HYEMP3KING Posted August 4, 2004 Report Share Posted August 4, 2004 Guys all you say is Rabiz this and rabiz that, but we shouldn't argue who is or isn't rabiz....rather question what the EXACT jogum ek che? et a rabize im hamar, kante tata aram or aida. pleaseeeeeeee DO NOT MESS WITH THEM, they are my favorite singers...well maybe not aram, but tata and aida sargsyan jannnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn. THey are what brings ppl to come and dance, to enjoy in their car etc., not stupid mugham singers like tatoul and his gang lol...like "varter berem partezitz" etc. hayastantziner...im het ek che tatan yev aidan kayf en. and by the way, artash's new cd comes out tomorow... "bales" on august 5th. yes piti gnam arrnem, so ov vor uzum a e-mail arek indz... mbandikian@socal.rr.com de davay, hela yes erexerk. i'll check up tomorow here see what's new bye. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anoushik Posted August 4, 2004 Author Report Share Posted August 4, 2004 [OP]HYEMP3KING, I've always thought that people who talk like you - "kayf, davay" - are rabiz Your avatar is very rabiz But I think it's time for me to also come up with a definition for rabiz. I think the most obvious definition of rabiz music would be the music that Armenians sing and dance to that has Muslim influence. Another definition that I've come up with for rabiz is any music that is untasteful. Well, what is untasteful music, then? I think what constitutes untasteful music is lack of music education and lack of education in the arts in general. I consider Tata's songs to be rabiz because I consider them to be untasteful. Aram and Sons are obviously rabiz because their music is soaking with Muslim music. You just don't realize that because in the recent years so many worse rabiz singers have emerged that you no longer see that Aram is still the same old rabiz singer that he was in the beginning. We do have pop singers, like Hayko, Nune, Alla. There is also a pathetic Mr. X who should be considered pop. But then again, he is the definition of an untasteful singer, so I call him rabiz too. There are also a new generation of pop singers that seem to pop up almost every month. I like that they prefer to sing pop instead of rabiz, but still they should consider taking singing lessons. Just because there are no current critics in Armenia doesn't mean that just anyone can get up and sing without any talent or training. PS. Who's Aida Sarksyan? Is she the one who sings a song called "Lorke"? Whoever sings that song does a horrible job performing it. The song itself is not rabiz, but the performer gives a rabiz performance... Not to mention that the singer has a horrible, annoying voice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HYEMP3KING Posted August 5, 2004 Report Share Posted August 5, 2004 ok first off anushik, don't diss tata and aida sargsyan, they are my favorite singers in the whole WORLD es aghchike chgiti inch a asum, iperte iran metz teghi a drel, yev bolors ban chenk haskanum yerashtutyunitz. oh nad anushik.....if we play ur kind of music in banquet halls for weddings or what have u ....(when i say "ur" kind of music, i mean like jazz.classical.or anythign outside of dance music)...then u know waht the people will do? they will sit and there chairs and it'll be a BORING ) have converted to armenian, and then i'll talk. bye. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HYEMP3KING Posted August 5, 2004 Report Share Posted August 5, 2004 oh nad by the way, that avatar of artash asatryan's "bales" CD coming out tomorrow august 5th was to promote something, i mean to spread the cd out to ppl who wanted it....it has nothing to do with ME being rabiz or whatever u call ppl dressed all in black.....with gold chains/cross, etc..... u get what i mean. I"M NOT THAT KIND OF PERSON ANUSHIK jan, uzum em haskanas da. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Angel Posted August 5, 2004 Report Share Posted August 5, 2004 (edited) Barev Dzez, inchpes tesnum em bolort datarkutyunnerin shat mec texik ek talis, ev sxal baner xosum! Kardalov ays amene vorosheci avelacnel ime, ev haskacnel, nax ev araj erevi te voch vok nuynisk chgiti te "Rabiz" bare inch e nshanakum... uremn ayspes` endhanrapes hamergneri jamanak mardik kam gorum em "Bravo" kam el "Bis" de parza bolort el gitek "Bravon" inch e nshanakum, isk "Bis" nshanakum e noric krknel erge! tarineri endackum shat ergichner voronk vor ergel en harsanikneri ev xnjuykneri jamanak, ev ayd jamanak nranc um dur e ekel erajshutyune kam erge, asel en "BIS" ev ayspisov ayd bare dardzel e "BIZ" heto avelacnelov naxacanc stacel en "RABIZ" bare, vore voreve kap chuni, mardu eutyan, hagnvelakerpi ev aprelakerpi het. Ev asem vor miayn erge karox e linel Rabiz ev voch te marde, kam inch vor mi anhat vor hagnum e sev shorer, ev ayln ev ayln,,, isk inch verabervum e ergichnerin, nrank normal ergum en, ev asem vor Tatan hamarvum e Vocal-Instrumental, ayl voch rabiz.... ev piti asem vor es harci shurj charji erkar mtorel, kani vor ayd Rabiz erajshutyune tarineri endackum dardzel e mez shat harazat, ev durekan, Anushik vor du asum es dzez dprocum sovorecrel en ,,,, de ari ayspisi orinak vercnenk, asenkn te harsanik e, u du ches naxntrum parel rabiz erajshutyan tak, de pari tesnem, vonc piti urax ancni ko jamanake? Sayat Novai erashtutyan tak, te Ruben Matevosyani ergi tak? mi xoskov uzum em asel vor Rabiz bolorovin chi nshanakum ayn inch duk gitek, ev @st is rabiznere aydkan el vat chen ergum, kani vor ergum en mer HAYASTANI, ev mer kyanki masin, voch te Sayat Nova, vore ergum e "Tamam ashxarh ptut eka" chem karcum vor meke lini stex ev haskana Sayat Nova, mek el mi ban asem kaif bare rabizneric chi galis loool et mekn el lav imacek, da ruseren bara, mi xoskov vochinch chek imanum, ev animast xosum ek............. Edited August 5, 2004 by Angel Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anoushik Posted August 5, 2004 Author Report Share Posted August 5, 2004 HYEMP3KING, of course I'm not advocating dancing to Classical music at parties. It's ridiculous. Classical music is an art and not an entertainment. Also, it just doesn't work, as you've noticed so well. We do have Armenian pop music (which more or less sounds very similar to the pop music in the West) and it could be used in weddings and parties. Aram is rabiz, not because he is borrowing Turkish music for his songs, but because his music has Turkic/Arabic/Muslim influences. I consider Tata to be rabiz because of my definition of rabiz music being untasteful music (anmakardag). Just because Tata is your favorite singer doesn't mean that his songs and singing style are immune to criticism. You say you grew up in the U.S., then why are you talking with rabiz slang? And why are you offended that I say Tata is rabiz? Because you also have distaste for rabiz/rabizutyun? PS. I was going to post this before Angel's reply but my computer froze. I had to log off and try again. I'll answer Angel in a little while when I have time. Angel, I just want to say that your definition of rabiz is the most fantastic definition I've ever heard. It's incorrect. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Angel Posted August 5, 2004 Report Share Posted August 5, 2004 (edited) Noric em grum, haytnelov sxals!. kani vor tariner araj, im harcin mi ergich sxal er patasxanel, es gitei te irok rabiz bare galis e "BIS" armatic, baic hetakrkrvelov ev gtnelov mi web site, es kardaci vor Rabiz bare nshanakum e` "RABOTNIKI ISKUSTVA" . neroxamit exek, ete inch vor mi ban, sxal em grel, vorovhetev indz sxal texekutyun en tvel Rabiz bari hamar, baic aynuamenayniv noric asum em vor Rabiz ergichnere ergum en mer arorya kyanki, ev hatkapes mer HAYRENIKI masin, u noric krknum em vor marde chi karox lini, RABIZ. rabiz karox e linel mimiayn ergn ir erajshtutyamb handerdz!!! ergiche vor ergum e inke hamarvuma rabiz ergox, baic vor asum en seva hagel, esim incha arel da chi nshanakum vor inke Rabiz e!!! husov em haskacak imaste! ev mi avelacum el, ete asum ek vor hay ergichnere irenc ergeri mej avelacnum en turkakan erajshtutyun, isk duk giteik vor naxkan mer ogtagorcele irenc erger, irenk mer shalaxonern en vercel? isk gitek vor adrbejancinere asum en Sayat Novan merna? baic chgiten vor Sayat Novai anune Harutyun Sahakyan e... ev kxndrei chmexadrel.... aysorva drutyamb turk ergchuhin erg e ergum duduki zugakcutyamb, isk da chek asum che? menak asum ek vor hayere ergum en muxam!, kxndrei vor amen inch parzeik Anushik jan heto nor xosenk et temayov!! Edited August 5, 2004 by Angel Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hayemyes Posted August 5, 2004 Report Share Posted August 5, 2004 This subject is very touchy because each person has its own interpretation of rabiz. First of all, I don't think that we can say that rabiz is whatever is untasteful or that we should call whatever we don't like rabiz. That leads to alot of confusion and leads to subjectivity because rabiz starts referring to different things for each person. There has to be a consensus upon which we define rabiz. We can't say that one definition is right and the other is wrong. There has to be however one definition upon which the whole cultural world must agree upon and isn't. Also, I don't think we can look upon its initial meaning in order to define it because rabiz today is not what it used to be. When Aram Asatrian started singing he was considered rabiz, but now, justfully, he isn't and shouldn't be, because his music is mostly written by him and his musicians and often does not sound middle eastern (lately, probably after 1998-1999). It is important to denote that Turkish and Arabic music don't use the 6/8 beat as often as Armenians and for dance music. Azeri music does use it alot but then again, what's Azeri music after all? Just a wash off of Armenian tunes with turkish lyrics. And the type of 6/8 used by Turkish and Arabic music (Arabic Gulf music) is very different from the ones used in Armenian songs. That crosses off the possibility that Aram's andTata's music be classified as rabiz, since their repertoire is mostly 6/8 armenian style, and not any other style. Aram has some other dance tunes that sound middle eastern but they are not copies they are just influenced. Today many popstars in Armenia use the same kind of music but they still are considered as pop music stars. I could name Anna Armenakyan with her Jan im jigyar song, or Silvi, with Darin Meg Ankam or Es Inch Arin, or even Srbuhi who is one of my favorites, but writes her own music which still sounds a bit oriental. I think its just a matter of how we see the singers. Aram and Tata are conceived as low-class singers therefore we don't mind calling them rabiz, even if, to my knowledge Aram has musical education from Armenia, but we don't dare apply the word to Anna Armenakyan, Srbuhi, Silvi, Andre or anyone else. There is of course hardcore rabiz, and I think that today its the only category that constitutes the rabiz music, because everything else has been polished off to fit the pop music scene. Hardocre rabiz is the rabiz we hear today, Hayko, Uzbek, Tatoul, Suro, Mais, and company. I think that it is not right to classify these singers and others such as Aram, Anna, Silvi, Olga, Tata in the same categories as these singers. The new category of hardcore rabiz that has emerged has put the rest into the pop music scene and taken over the rabiz category, to the advantage of the fromer rabiz singers. Finaly, I don't believe that rabiz has anything to do with the lifestyle even though theere might be alot of people who act the same way and listen to rabiz music, but nor the lyrics nor the music may have affected them being that way its just a good mix I guess. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hayemyes Posted August 5, 2004 Report Share Posted August 5, 2004 Oh and I forgot, Tata;s so popular Anabadi Arev (whose lyrics I still haven't understood yet, since desert has nothing to do with the rest of the song and Armenian life) is not in many ways armenian purely. The melody has notes that are similar to middle easter music, and especialy that is put into display from the Oud used in the beginning of the song. The zurna and dhol might only be there to compensate that middle esastern flavor. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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