[OP]HYEMP3KING Posted August 6, 2004 Report Share Posted August 6, 2004 (edited) hey anushik...u still find any of those turkish/middle eastern songs that tata or aida translated into armenian??? looooooooooooooool ................................................................................ ............................... Edited August 6, 2004 by MosJan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MosJan Posted August 6, 2004 Report Share Posted August 6, 2004 To HyeMp3King: Norin Metsutyun King jan Tuyl K@taq dzez iyspes dimel ??? Bari / uremn mez mot / HyeForum @ndunvats che yev nuynsik argelvats e tsankatsats (CR) materyali anorinakan poxantsumner@, usty BarekamabaR Arajarkum em dzez Mer Sireli TAgavor AxperJan - jnjel dzer arajark@ ur duk arajarkum eq Artashiki nor Lazerovi Diski poxantsum@. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MosJan Posted August 6, 2004 Report Share Posted August 6, 2004 and yes Tata end Aida are Rabiz %1001% Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anoushik Posted August 7, 2004 Author Report Share Posted August 7, 2004 The other day I saw a commercial of a new TV show that’s titled Blue Collar TV. Of course, as expected, you don’t expect much from that kind of a show… I was looking for the definition of blue collar… "A blue-collar worker is a Working class employee who performs manual or technical labor, such as in a factory or in technical maintenance "trades", in contrast to a white-collar worker, who does non-manual work generally at a desk… Blue-collar is also an epithet derived from the "blue-collar worker," used to describe the environment of the "blue-collar worker": i.e., a "blue-collar" neighborhood, job, factory, restaurant, bar, etc., or a situation descriptive of use of manual effort and the strength required to do such. It can also be used as a derogatory adjective to describe something crude, simple, lacking sophistication, or appealing to basic instinct: i.e., a blue-collar joke." http://www.wordiq.com/definition/Blue_collar Listening to Rabiz music is like listening to blue collar music. There is nothing wrong with that, but since we Armenians always pride ourselves with being educated and sophisticated it's pretty sad that the majority of people enjoy rabiz/blue-collar music without even knowing it. When you think that our talented people have given birth to such greats as Komitas, Khachaturian, etc. it is mind-boggling to see those same talented people sit down and enjoy Tata and Aram. We, as a people, need to constantly work on ourselves. We cannot just sit back and be satisfied with whatever trash will be fed to us. We are above that. And I'm sure that pretty soon the Armenians will realize this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Armen Posted August 7, 2004 Report Share Posted August 7, 2004 Anoushik, a society without "blue collars" is not necessarily a healthy one and it cannot survive. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anoushik Posted August 7, 2004 Author Report Share Posted August 7, 2004 Yes, but when the majority of the population sinks to the blue collar level then that's the end of that society. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Armen Posted August 7, 2004 Report Share Posted August 7, 2004 It is not because the majority has sinked. It is because the majority of "white collars" always leave the country first. If you want the present "blue collars" to become "white collars" they will leave as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anoushik Posted August 7, 2004 Author Report Share Posted August 7, 2004 Have you been in LA? It's the capital of Armenian rabizutyun. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anoushik Posted August 7, 2004 Author Report Share Posted August 7, 2004 And they are the ones who are promoting rabiz music in Armenia. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Armen Posted August 7, 2004 Report Share Posted August 7, 2004 I didn't say that "blue collars" do not leave the country. And usually they are majority. Anoushik, I think the so-called problem of rabiz is a more complex identity problem than simply the music, the cloths or the way of speaking. Armenia is defining its true identity now. No matter how strong you advocate the priority of of Western European values and tastes Armenia will define its identity according to its surroundings. If Europe comes close it will become more European. However, Iran is our natural neighbour. We cannot draw a line and prevent its cultural influence on us. We will become a outcast in the region. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anoushik Posted August 7, 2004 Author Report Share Posted August 7, 2004 Yeah, I guess you are right. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kakachik77 Posted August 8, 2004 Report Share Posted August 8, 2004 I didn't say that "blue collars" do not leave the country. And usually they are majority. Anoushik, I think the so-called problem of rabiz is a more complex identity problem than simply the music, the cloths or the way of speaking. Armenia is defining its true identity now. No matter how strong you advocate the priority of of Western European values and tastes Armenia will define its identity according to its surroundings. If Europe comes close it will become more European. However, Iran is our natural neighbour. We cannot draw a line and prevent its cultural influence on us. We will become a outcast in the region. haven't we been an outcast for centuries by being a small solo-Christian country surrounded by big Muslim powers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-=VAHE=- Posted August 9, 2004 Report Share Posted August 9, 2004 Have you been in LA? It's the capital of Armenian rabizutyun. Its funny how true that is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Proud EXPAT Posted August 10, 2004 Report Share Posted August 10, 2004 I posted this a while ago but I don't think everyone understood it or have just skipped over it. Here I post it again. TATA IS RABIZ. He is true rabiz, the rest of the names mentioned on these messages are NOT true rabiz. Rabiz culture and music has been around for decades, it's not a new thing. Just recently over the past decade or so has it been cheapened by pathetic new artists mixing in our enemy's melodies, which are actually stolen from Arabic and Greek anyway. TATA ADMITS HE IS RABIZ, but he will also admit he is the true rabiz that does not mix in our enemy's melodies. I for one don't listen to any kind of rabiz, the genuine form or the pathetic "new rabiz", but without it it is almost impossible to enjoy yourself at most Armenian get togethers. I think it's about time we have more "true rabiz" artists such as Tata. Artists that create the basic, true and quality "dance" music Tata does. In the meantime, long live Sayat Nova, Komitas and Khatchadour Avetisian, the best artists to ever represent our culture. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Armen Posted August 11, 2004 Report Share Posted August 11, 2004 haven't we been an outcast for centuries by being a small solo-Christian country surrounded by big Muslim powers. Welcome to HF. No, I don't think we have been a cultural outcast. E.g. at present Jivan Gasparian's duduk is equally dear to the Turkish, Iranians, Azeries and Georgians. Not to mention the duduk boom in Russia. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Proud EXPAT Posted August 12, 2004 Report Share Posted August 12, 2004 I live in Armenia, it is quite sad to see all the spyurqs come here wanting to spend every night of their "connect with the homeland" experience at the many rabiz joints on Proshian where you can find a guy singing this cheap music, and his voice stuck in modulation, imitating turkish crap. Then you take these spyurq visitors to Hin Erivan or Mer Gyugh and they sit there all bored dying to get out cause they think Ashoughakan and old Armenian popular music is boring. I think there are more spyurqs that listen to this "music" than locals in Armenia. At least here they also listen to all the Armenian pop music which most spyurqs didn't and still don't know exists. Sirusho, Hasmik K, Christine B, Andre, Arsen S, and tonnes of other singers. Some singing crap, some singing beautiful songs, some singing patriotic songs, some rerecording old Armenian songs. And what are spyurqs listening to? Tata, Aram, ArmenCHIKO or whatever the heck his name is. Then there is Shoushan and Alla which the more progressive ones know about. But how about the pop music I mentioned? How about the classical and rock and even dance music coming out of Armenia? If "rabiz" is truly "blue-collar" music, then over 80% of spyurqs are"blue-collar", and that is pretty scary. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
[OP]HYEMP3KING Posted August 12, 2004 Report Share Posted August 12, 2004 (edited) Proud EXPAT...aper lav asir baytz chen haskanum srank ay tzavt tanem. Aida Sargsyann el rabiz yerkchuhi chi...togh haskanan nax rabize inch a nshanakum heto khosan ay tzavt tanem....harur ankam ases chi mtni gluxnere. Engerner, duk shpotum ek rabize turkakan musikayi het....vore sxal a....nax rabize haskatzek te URTEGHITZ E GALI...nor mi xelatzi ban asek~! P.S. Vor meke uzum a Artash Asatryani nor "Bales" CDin indz e-mail grek stegh: mbandikian@socal.rr.com Proud EXPAT Edited August 12, 2004 by [OP]HYEMP3KING Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
[OP]HYEMP3KING Posted August 12, 2004 Report Share Posted August 12, 2004 Proud EXPAT axpers.... please e-mail me...mi kani ban piti xosank eli Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teutonic Knight Posted August 12, 2004 Report Share Posted August 12, 2004 HYEMP3KING,Aug 12 2004, 08:21 AM] Proud EXPAT...aper lav asir baytz chen haskanum srank ay tzavt tanem. Aida Sargsyann el rabiz yerkchuhi chi...togh haskanan nax rabize inch a nshanakum heto khosan ay tzavt tanem....harur ankam ases chi mtni gluxnere. Engerner, duk shpotum ek rabize turkakan musikayi het....vore sxal a....nax rabize haskatzek te URTEGHITZ E GALI...nor mi xelatzi ban asek~! P.S. Vor meke uzum a Artash Asatryani nor "Bales" CDin indz e-mail grek stegh: mbandikian@socal.rr.com Proud EXPAT <= axpers vor kuzes e-mail ara eli indz, urish baner el kugharkem kez, u engernert, mi yashik CDner unem hakakan nor Ara du lurj es? Rabiz@ votic glux teghov turkakan arabakan zibil a. Rabiz lsoghnnernel arandsnapes shat chen tarbervum. Mi KATIL Haykakan ban chka dzer rabizutyan mej. Mi tufti. Hl@ araj rabiz bar@ kfur er hamarvum voch mi rabiz cher @nduni vor ink@ rabiz a. Hima herik chi lav el @ndunum en der "rabiz festival" ner en anum kaghaki mej. Xaytarakutyun a. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arpa Posted August 12, 2004 Report Share Posted August 12, 2004 (edited) Ara du lurj es? Rabiz@ votic glux teghov turkakan arabakan zibil kfur Barev Germanakan Aspet. Yete "rabiz"@ Turkakan ev Arabakan "zibil" ev "kfur" e, hapa inchou gortsastum es et Turkakan ev Arabakan barer@. "aghb" ev "hayhoyanq" bavakan chen qo tsasum@ artahaytelou? Don't mind me I have no idea what rabiz is, and I couldn't care less. My kind of "rabiz" is Komitas and co. And I do understand your frustration. Edited August 12, 2004 by Arpa Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anoushik Posted August 12, 2004 Author Report Share Posted August 12, 2004 If "rabiz" is truly "blue-collar" music, then over 80% of spyurqs are"blue-collar", and that is pretty scary. Not in all spyurqs but in Los Angeles. The people here are the most uneducated, uninteresting, narrow-minded people from the former Soviet. Pretty scary, isn't it? And these are also the same people who are trying to get rid of the current leaders in Armenia, as if they know any better. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teutonic Knight Posted August 12, 2004 Report Share Posted August 12, 2004 Barev Germanakan Aspet. Yete "rabiz"@ Turkakan ev Arabakan "zibil" ev "kfur" e, hapa inchou gortsastum es et Turkakan ev Arabakan barer@. "aghb" ev "hayhoyanq" bavakan chen qo tsasum@ artahaytelou? Don't mind me I have no idea what rabiz is, and I couldn't care less. My kind of "rabiz" is Komitas and co. And I do understand your frustration. Vorovhetev sirt chunem heto nstem bacatrem te ayd barer@ inch en nshanakum. Shat aveli hesht eh irenc lezvov khosal ayspisi depkerum kani vor es huys chunem vor im nerka artahaytvelu orinakic apagayum kdataren ayd oriental barer@ ogtagortsel. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gamavor Posted August 12, 2004 Report Share Posted August 12, 2004 Wow Teuton, I'm humbled! Your Armenian is better than mine!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hayemyes Posted August 12, 2004 Report Share Posted August 12, 2004 Well, one thing I have to say is that I agree that rabiz music is getting out of control, eventhough it still is enjoyable under certain circumstances (and please no one start making fun of what these circumstances might be). But if we are to talk about how much armenian stuff there is in rabiz then we encounter a problem, because there is not a bit of anything armenian in much of the pop out there in Armenia today. I mean has anyone heard Arsen Safarian's cd "Yegar Antsar"? I must say i really like it but i also am down to earth and frankly theres nothing armenian in tehre except the lyrics, and the duduk in his "hin orer" song. Oor what about Lilit Karapetyan? Hasmik Karapetyan? I mean come on, theres the same amount of "Armenianness" in those singers' songs as there is in rabiz and maybe even less. I am not defending rabiz I am just being frank. Ppl are crazy over Hayko's and Cchristine Pepelyan's duet but I don't find anything armenian in that. I mean in both cases the music is not purely armenian, and for me, borrowing from russian or european songs (like Lilit, Hasmik, etc.) is as bad as borrowing from any other country, except that people find oriental music more close to our music and this, justfully, because it is more close in terms of pitches. I must say there is talent in the rabiz area too, it's just that it is harder to appreciate it because we are sooooooo occupied in criticizing any little second of music that may or even may not sound like turkish or arabic. I mean let's get over it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teutonic Knight Posted August 12, 2004 Report Share Posted August 12, 2004 I mean in both cases the music is not purely armenian, and for me, borrowing from russian or european songs (like Lilit, Hasmik, etc.) is as bad as borrowing from any other country, No it's not. Armenians are European and those artists you mentioned are pop artists in the traditional sense. Pop music is the same everywhere. except that people find oriental music more close to our music and this, Because all those people have heard is rabiz crap and similar bs which is 100% oriental with bastardized Armenian lyrics. I must say there is talent in the rabiz area too, it's just that it is harder to appreciate it because we are sooooooo occupied in criticizing any little second of music that may or even may not sound like turkish or arabic. I mean let's get over it. Then why not get over being Armenian? Why not start speaking Turkish? I mean just get over it and ask Turkey or some monkeystan to annex what's left of Armenia. Listen to Bambir or Gor Mkhitaryan. There are several promising Armenian artists out there. Armenia has to find a suitable canditate for Eurovision. I just hope they don't go with that Andre shemale. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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