Teutonic Knight

Never thought I would agree with edward. georgians will get what's coming to them soon. If I was Armenian I would be pretty pissed when these "people" erase all Armenian writing and frescoes from the Armenian Churches trying to pass them as Georgian. Look at these: http://forum.hayastan.com/index.php?act=mo...cmd=si&img=1167 http://forum.hayastan.com/index.php?act=mo...cmd=si&img=1165 http://forum.hayastan.com/index.php?act=mo...cmd=si&img=1162 http://forum.hayastan.com/index.php?act=mo...cmd=si&img=1163 http://forum.hayastan.com/index.php?act=mo...cmd=si&img=1163 ARMENIA IS STILL IN BLOCKADE Armenia is expecting for a significant freight concerning running Nuclear Power Plant of Metsamor. Because of actions applied by Russia towards Georgia within the anti-terrorism struggle the car with the matter provided for the stations of Nuclear Power Plant remained in Georgian-Russian frontier. As a result of negotiations carried on by the Armenian Government an agreement seems to be made to allow the car to cross the frontier this evening and to set out to Armenia if the Russian and Georgian frontier guards manage to find the necessary car among those in the “jam”. Though the leadership of Armenia holds telephone conversations with the leaders of Russia and Georgia, the problem remains unsettled. “The Armenian Authorities are not to eliminate the obstacle”, Armenian PM Andranik Margaryan said. Solution to “blockade” of Armenia depends on the negotiations with Georgian and Russian Authorities. Freight transport of Armenia has become problematic since Novorosiysk ferryboat is now under construction. So it is advised to choose another way by Ilyichevsk ferry. However, it’s not the settlement to the problem, either, as too many cars are accumulated on Georgia-Russia frontier. Recently about 20 cars were let out to Armenia. But the Georgian side affirms that there is a problem to let the cars out. There are numerous “Armenian” cars in the boundary. http://www.a1plus.am/eng/?go=issue&id=2072...1ccebec6eb4154d

http://www.atour.com/~aahgn/news/20010817d.html Speaking of helping the enemy. ~~~ The Truth that No One Wants to Admit About TARC by Garo Adanalian - August 13, 2001 The Armenian contingent of the Turkish Armenian Reconciliation Commission (TARC) is represented by the Armenian Assembly of America (AAA), in conjunction with members and former administration officials of the infamous Armenian National Movement (ANM). In an August 2 statement made by the Armenian members of TARC, its members claim that "from around the world, most Armenians have offered support, both publicly and privately. They share with us the belief that if Armenians and Turks talk directly and in a structured fashion, addressing the numerous issues that divide us, some progress may follow." I do not recall any public statements made by Armenian organizations or political groups in Armenia or the Diaspora showing their direct support for such dialogue, with the exception of the AAA and the Armenian Council of America, the political wing of the Social Democrat Hunchak Party of the US--an organization that has evidently severed all links to its revolutionary past and original mission or purpose--which merely supports the initiative with "cautious optimism." The ARF Bureau released a strong statement of disapproval on July 13, and on July 31, eight political parties and deputy groups in Armenia, including the National Democratic Union, Communist Party, Republican Party, Armenian Revolutionary Federation, Constitutional Right Union, Country of Laws party, and deputy groups People's Deputy and Agroindustrial People's Union, released a statement condemning the commission. The term "most Armenians" in and of itself is as misleading as it is a distortion of the truth; no evidence can verify its validity. This rhetorical statement by TARC is further proof why this commission and its advocates, primarily members of the AAA and the ANM, cannot be trusted to speak in the name of the Armenian people in any form of dialogue with any nation, let alone Turkey. Make no mistake that the AAA is an organization closely aligned with the US State Department, which means that it is more closely aligned with the interests of the US administration than those of Armenia and the Armenian people. As the United States and Turkey are NATO members and strong military allies, the United States has vested interests in Turkey. Moreover, US oil companies have strong interests in the Caspian Sea and want to appease Azerbaijan in all ways possible to tap into its oil resources. The State Department has no viable interest in Armenia--it has no interest in Armenian Genocide recognition, restitution, and restoration of Armenian territories occupied by Turkey, or the dispute of Nagorno Karabagh. In short, the State Department has no compassion for the Armenian Cause. It will try to use Armenia and na?ïve Armenian-Americans, like the AAA and its supporters, to achieve its goals of destabilizing Russia's influence in the Caucasus and tapping into the oil reserves of the Caspian, which brings us to the establishment of TARC and the US support of such meaningless dialogue. The State Department needs TARC to try to convince the Armenian community to be "reasonable" and allow for concessions on issues such as the Armenian Genocide and the self-determination of Nagorno Karabagh in order to open the borders between Turkey and Armenia. The United States wants to build oil pipelines in the region and will not do so as long as the region faces the possibility of a renewal of war. If the State Department has the approval of the Armenian-American community, which it perceives as being led by the AAA, and TARC, it can somehow broker a deal to include making concessions on Armenian lands and stalling continued attempts in convincing the Turkish government to acknowledge the Armenian Genocide by having the blockade on Armenia lifted. The AAA is an organization comprising Armenian-Americans that represent the established and elite or those that want to be associated with the established and elite. It does not serve the direct interests of the common Armenian people in Armenia or in the Armenian Diaspora. The AAA exists to support Armenia and Armenian-American issues only if its members can benefit in financial, personal, or social status terms. It does not care about socio-economic concerns facing the Armenian people in the homeland--this fact is clearly evident. Note that the Assembly does not directly support the self-determination and national integrity of Nagorno Karabagh and the right to maintaining and developing the liberated territories. Moreover, it does not want to advocate recognition of the Armenian Genocide in a political forum and does not advocate restitution, reparations, and return of historic Armenian territories to the Republic of Armenia, but merely advocates "affirmation" of the Genocide. The Armenian Genocide is important for the Assembly to be recognized as a historic event by the US government, but only to be recognized and then placed in a museum, eventually to be forgotten as another tragic event in the history of the world. TARC exists because wealthy Armenians in the United States and Armenia want to make money, and they feel that they can do so not only in Armenia but in Turkey as well. If the Turkish blockade on Armenia is lifted, transport barriers to and from Armenia would be eradicated. Armenian-American investors can then move in and establish tourism enterprises and other capital-generating institutions. But is the integrity of the Armenian people worth such a sacrifice for a few to earn millions of dollars? What about the historic lands of the Armenian people--are they to be sacrificed for the sake of American capitalism? What about the 1.5 million souls that died for their land, culture, and heritage? What about the thousands more that died defending and preserving the homeland? The Armenian people in the homeland are suffering. They are jobless, hungry, and desolate. They need employment in order to live. Why don't established and elite Armenian-Americans invest directly in Armenia and build factories and industries there to employ hundreds of thousands of Armenians willing to work? By all means, let the elite make its millions, but at least put the Armenian people to work in order to do so. Why try to strike cheap deals with Turkey in the name of reconciliation for the same purpose--do we really need Turkey? Note that the countries that traded with freely with Turkey, namely Georgia and Azerbaijan, are actually in worse economic conditions than Armenia. Armenia lasted 10 years in its current social-economic condition without economically unstable Turkey; it can certainly last 10 more with the Armenian Diaspora's direct financial investment in the people of Armenia. The Armenian people must continue to struggle in the name of social justice, freedom, and democracy, and they should not succumb to the sweet but deceptive words of a few opportunists. -- Garo Adanalian is a former assistant editor of the Armenian Weekly and still serves as a frequent contributor. He is a member of the Armenian National Committee of America and has served as Chairman of the Armenian National Committee of Eastern Massachusetts.

Huh? Nothing turkic. Bactrians were Hellenized Iranian peoples in Central Asia & Eastern Iran. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bactria

Tbilisi was the largest Armenian city in the world. 70% of the population was Armenian.

Yeah, well I don't like them so I prefer circumcised women.

I wouldn't go out with any woman that had beef curtains. I understand why some women like circumcised men.

http://www.eaif.org/histmonth.htm California Legislature Names October "European American Heritage Month" October has been designated "European American Heritage Month" by the California legislature, which unanimously approved the resolution in late August 1999. "Public school students can now study and celebrate the many contributions that people of European origin have made to California and the United States," says Lou Calabro, head of the San Bruno-based European-American Issues Forum, which drafted the resolution. Calabro said his group modeled the resolution after those celebrating other racial/ethnic groups. Calabro called upon parents and other interested individuals to contact local school districts and help them create special projects and curricula to highlight European-American heritage this October. No funding for the event has been made available by the legislature or the California Department of Education. "With today's focus on multiculturalism, the legislature's support serves the interests of fairness and diversity by recognizing the European-American community as as a distinct, valued segment of our society," says Calabro, who noted Novato-resident Stan Hess suggested Heritage Month. Assemblyman Lou Papan sponsored Assembly Concurrent Resolution No. 91, which marks the first official recognition by the State government of the 16 million Californians of European ancestry, including such diverse groups as Anglo-Saxons, Armenians, Basque, Celts, French, Germans, Greeks, Spaniards, Italians, Scandinavians and Slavs. "The State's recognition of the European-American community is a breakthrough that we hope will give us a seat at the table when decisions that affect our lives are being made," said Calabro. The European-American Issues Forum is a civil rights group formed to discuss and take action on social, economic, cultural, political and related issues that particularly affect European-Americans in Northern California and beyond. For more information, please contact : European-American Issues Forum 297 El Camino Real, #155, San Bruno, CA 94066 Phone: 650/952-8489 o Fax: 650/869-7215

The same insignificant amount of Armenians per capita call Russians "mongols" or "onions". PS: Indians are not Indo-European and have never been. SOME Indians speak IE languages, just like Mexicans who also speak an IE language but are not IE peoples. Finns for example don't speak an IE language but are IE peoples.

The original Huns, we're not talking about them

After turkey's demise those that are not deported or killed will beg to learn Greek or Armenian.

Mashtots spelling?

How many Turks look like Uzbeks or Kazakhs? 3% of the population? They are the turkified descendants of Armenians & Greeks mainly as well as Slavs, Celts, Germanics, Latins, Arabs, Kurds, Persians... Turks: http://www.karlphoto.com/images/duygu11.jpg http://www.karlphoto.com/images/demet_sener.jpg http://www.karlphoto.com/images/aysun_kayaci3.jpg http://www.turkguzeller.com/denizakkaya.php http://www.turkguzeller.com/denizseki.php http://www.turkguzeller.com/ebrusalli.php http://www.turkguzeller.com/senayakay.php http://www.turkguzeller.com/gamzeozcelik.php

Our Disgrace By Robert Bruce Ware Published on September 07, 2004 One feels ashamed to be an English-speaker. More that 330 innocent people are dead. Most of them are children. Some were shot in the back as they fled. But the children were not yet buried before much of the media in the United States and Britain began their pointless and predictable ritual of second guessing, and then blaming, the Russian authorities. The same stale misconceptions and misinformation were once again rehearsed. All so easy, all so mindless. In October 2002, Chechen terrorists (not "militants", not "rebels", not "separatists") took more than 800 hostages in a theater in Moscow. Russian law enforcement officials pumped gas into the hall in a flawed and risky attempt to immobilize the terrorists, and then stormed the building. More than 120 hostages died along with all of the terrorists. The remainder of the hostages were rescued. In the months that followed the western media was full of blame for the Russian authorities. Yet if American or Israeli officials had been faced with a similar hostage crisis, and had managed to save 80 percent of the hostages, the same media would have hailed their operation as a brilliant success. After 9/11 neither Russia citizens nor Russian officials blamed Americans or American officials for the tragedy. How would Americans have felt if they had? Instead Russian citizens and officials alike found the decency simply to sympathize with us. To their credit American officials have placed responsibility for the Beslan tragedy on the shoulders of the terrorists who perpetrated it. American officials have offered support for their Russian counterparts. But where is the elementary decency of our media? From them we learn that Russians have little regard for human life; that Russian troops should have established a wider perimeter; that Ossetian parents should have been kept away; that Russia should negotiate with responsible Chechen militants whom no one ever seems capable of naming, and so on and on. Everyone sitting comfortably at their computers all around the world has a crystalline comprehension of the steps-- whether tactical, strategic, political, psychological, or military-- that should have been taken before, during, and after Beslan. But as Sting somehow managed to recognize even during the Reagan administration, Russians love their children too. Anyone who has spent more than a week in the North Caucasus knows that it would have been easier to control the moon and the tides than to control the parents of the children in that school. People in Beslan did, and are doing, their best in the face of a situation that was and is absolutely incomprehensible, and no one outside of Beslan should pretend for a moment that they comprehend it. Those western writers who have the shamelessness to pretend that they do have such comprehension for the sake of nothing more than another empty piece of boilerplate are a disgrace to all of us who share their language. Robert Bruce Ware is an associate professor at Southern Illinois University Edwardsville

Vigil, don't forget that most of these guys are either internationalist commie loving expats or third/second generation turk loving leftie Americans with Armenian heritage which they use as a label to be different. Hardly the kind of people who would be of any use to any nationalist movement. Nearly every single proud Armenian that has posted in this forum in the past few years has been bullied away via their gang attacks or simply banned.

Stfu, what the hell do you know about these savages and their history? They didn't even exist as a distinct people until a centeury or two ago. Their history with Russia is as follows: In 1864, Chechens, after a long and bloody struggle for freedom, surrendered to Tsarist Russia. The Caucasian War as this war is commonly referred to by historians was provoked by the voluntary integration of Georgia into the Russian Empire. Other Caucasians felt isolated and surrounded by the Russian Empire and betrayed by the Georgians. Georgians(Christians) united with the Russian Empire because their integrity was threatened by Islamic terror all around. This can be checked at the national archives of Georgia. Russia didn’t want to unite with Georgia rather Russians wanted to provide assistance to their fellow Christians against the barbarians only. Because then they would have to protect those borders. King George XII, pleaded for help in 1798 and finally Emperor Aleksandr I decided to help and unite with Georgia. More than enough evidence to show that Russia had no imperial ambitions. Georgia faced total physical annihilation and their neighbours with the same faith helped them more than anyone would. Chechen barbarian tribes kept on attacking the new Russian border and the Tsar was forced to take action. 77,000 Russian lives were lost because of meaningless Chechen aggression. Not to mention that many more mountain dwellers fell in that war, killed by the Chechen dagger. In 1901, about 700 families migrated from Chechenya to Turkey. Of this group, about 200 families returned to Chechenya, while 300 families settled in Turkey and 200 families settled in Jordan. Some of the herd joins their genocidal mongoloid brethren to commit more crimes against humanity. After WWII, Chechen members of the Red Army who were prisoners of war in Nazi Germany refused to return to Chechenya since the Chechen nation had already been exiled in 1944 to Siberia by Stalin. These Chechens settled in Germany, Turkey and the U.S.A. Siberia? Stalin relocated Chechens to Kazakhstan starting in 1943, but not because he hated them (if he hated them, he would have killed a lot more of them as he killed thousands of Russians, Ukrainians, Armenians etc.) In 1922, in a reversal of its recognition, Bolshevik Russia invaded and occupied the Republic of the North Caucasus Federation. The Caucasus rejected both the White Guards of General Denikin and the Red Army. Nobody wanted Soviet power to be established in the region or anywhere else for that matter. On the other hand here’s a quote from the Daghestani Council of People’s Commissars: “In view of such particularly bandit-like neighbour as Chechnya, measures are being taken to restore order and protect the people from attacks. Local self-defense units are to be established for such protection, and resources are to be found for their maintenance.” Imam Shamyl used identical words describing the situation long before Soviets came to power. Through the 70's Soviet Russia treated Grozny (capital of Chechenya) as enemy territory, where night time curfews were imposed routinely. Curfews were placed because several gangs were robbing, raping and terrorizing the civilian population apart from vandalizing state property. On Nov 23 - 25 1990, a national Chechen conference convened in Grozny. The conference included delegates representing all ethnic groups of Chechenya, including Russians and Cossacks. Whatever happened to the Russians, Cossacks, Armenians, ethnic Georgians and others? In addition, there were no Russian or Cossack delegates participating in that conference On Nov 25, 1990, the delegates to the conference declared the independence and sovereignty of Chechenya and its cessation from the former Soviet Union. Yes, the Chechens did. Too bad they did not meet the requirements as other soon to be independent states did under international law. Their decision was not democratically made, merely a small factor originating from Grozny. On Oct 27, 1991, in fulfillment of constitutional requirements, a national Chechen referendum was held. The Chechen nation approved the declaration of independence and elected Gen. Dzhokar Dudayev as the first elected president of the independent Chechen Republic by a margin of 84% from among 3 contendors for presidency. As a Republic within the Russian Federation just like Daghestan, Bashkiria, Buratia, Tatarstan etc. In addition, lets not forget that Russia gave full independence to the Chechen republic in 1996. In 1999 Russians had to pay for their horrible mistake. Wide-scale aggression against Russia, the republic of Dagestan, took place under the slogan of creating a Muslim theocracy ... by tearing apart territories of the Russian Federation. What does that have to do with Chechnya's independence? Their leaders vowed to takeover Moscow-Russia, Yerevan-Armenia and eventually Washington by the end of the year 2000. Would you like me to start quoting Shamil Bassaev ? Their only goal is to create a global caliphate. They are talking about the need to kill all kafirs [infidels], all non-Moslims, or Crusaders, as they say. If you are not a Muslim, you are in danger! If you decide to reject your faith and become an atheist, you are also subject to liquidation according to their way of thinking... You are in danger! It’s your problem and one day your idiocy will bite you hard in the ass when you least expect it. Evidently an independent Chechnya is dangerous for Russian interests and as well as Global, because it would mean the beginning of the decomposition of the region as we know it. Chechnya is an internationally recognised part of Russia since centuries. Even in during the war Russia made every possible concession when other countries like my own would not even consider them in a similar situation. The legacy was murder, drug trafficking, slave trade, and kidnappings. High casualty count? If you’re Chechen and your relative is a terrorist and you support him (maybe not willingly, but just as a member of the family, and family ties are traditionally extremely strong in Chechnya), this automatically places you on the other side of the law and you are no longer a civilian. Most Chechen bandits pose as civilians anyway. Russian troops tried to avoid heavy casualties, so they relied heavily on artillery and aviation. Russia could destroy every single Chechen in a matter of days without any of its own casualties yet they made sure that no innocent civilians get hurt. Russian army relied on long-range weapons to avoid the casualties, just as we relied on aviation in Afghanistan after 911. Our army is the best in the world. We have a professional army with plenty of well-trained infantry, while Russia did not have much choice in Chechnya but to use aviation and artillery as much as possible. Funny thing is most Chechens who are Sufis not Wahhabists are the victims of the insane military leaders and foreigners that occupy that region. They don’t like them anymore we do. They don’t have much choice and support those animals because they know they will be killed like many others before them by their own people. The region had 1,300.000 people before the dissolution of the USSR. 300 thousand were Russians along with Armenians, Georgians and other Christians. What happened with those 300,000? They were brutally murdered and deported by Islamist gangs who took control of the area by force.

They don't deserve to live period. In any case Chechens are indeed natives of those lands, it's just thay they have always been primitive, barbaric and tribal. Never having any form of a government or an organized social structure of their own.

Why? Most of them are Armenian or Greek anyway, descendants of Byzantines. Others are Slavic, Romanian, Celtic, Germanic etc. with a dose of Arabs, Caucasians and Kurds. There are virtually no turks or turanids in Turkey.

Certainly, but if most muslims do not condemn these acts perpetrated by their brethren in the name of their religion than most muslims are just as guilty and deserve to be punished even if they did not participate in the given act. This phenomenon is only available among muslims. There are no insane suicidal killers in other religions that kill women and children.

The only good mudslim is a dead mudslim. Nuke them all. 9 Armenian hostages, 5 of them kids killed in Beslan out of a total of 33 Armenian hostages В Беслане погибли 9 из 33 армян, взятых в заложники террористами Из 33 армян, захваченных в заложники террористами в городе Беслан Северной Осетии 1 сентября, погибли 9. 5 из них - дети. Об этом сообщил сегодня глава Генерального Консульства Армении в Южном федеральном округе России Арарат Гомцян. В то же время он подчеркнул, что все вышесказанное - предварительная информация, которая будет обновляться. Напомним, что в результате теракта в городе Беслан по официальным данным погибли 336 и ранено около 400 человек, половина которых дети.

Mountaineer, you are seriously insane. Seek mental help and watch out for the black helicopters and the lizard people, make sure you have your tin foil hat.

Hriya mountain man, you have obviously confused me with someone else. I'm NOT Armenian and I don't have single drop of Armenian blood. I'm an American of German descent. You can have your party with your filthy Kurds and "Armenoids" and worship at the feet of your beloved Iranian masters with your degenerate slave mentality and inferiority complexes, don't expect everyone to go along with it. Monte Melkonian is a normal Armenian White man, his tanned, dirty and bearded pictures during the war don't make him any less of an Armenian. I tried to upload a picture of his during peaceful times but I got this: The requested file upload failed because suitable permissions have not been enabled on the 'uploads' directory. Please contact the board administrator and inform them of this error.

AH, this guy is the author of the Virtual Ani web site, so lets agree to disagree. He's not an enemy.

Until recently(Hrozny in 1916) we didn't even know it was an IE language. Who knows how many new ones will be discovered soon? In any case, Hittite is the earliest known IE language so far. Renderings of themselves? Those are their Gods that look like "Armenoids" aka one of the Star Trek aliens. For all you know they adopted those deities and their form from the earlier native Hattians. All their sacred texts were written in Hattic, Hurro-Urartian and Akkadian. These people were the so called deformed "Armenoids", not the Hittites. Also I have read theories that Tocharian is an even earlier split for PIE than Hittite. Then there's Lithuanian which bears the most similarity to PIE. How do yuo explain that? Hittites dominated the Hayassa-Azzi state or the Haykazian Kingdom so there's that but after the demise of their Empire they were assimilated into MANY nations, not just Armenians exclusively. First and foremost, the descendants of Hittites were the Lycians and Lydians who spoke Luwian. There was no Armenian language or nation to speak of when PIE broke up. It didn't get recorded using the Mesropian alphabet but it was recorded much much earlier using the Greek alphabet and before that using the Thraco-Phrygian writing. There is no such thing. Do not bore me with that lunatic Kavoukjian's deranged fantasies. I'm not sure what do you mean. Examples please. Although i'm sure the migration of Neolithic farmers into Europe from the Middle East can explain whatever you are trying to say. Iranians were primitive steppe people before their uprising in Media. They are insignificant. Armenians are related to Greeks only. Any Iranian loanwords in Armenian are a result of centuries of their barbaric and brutal occupation of Armenia that ELIMINATED half if not most of true Armenian culture, history and language replacing it with Iranian. The domestication of horses and the use of iron can be credited to that region. Why would they be Semites? Were the Elamites Semites I haven't come across any insinuations that they migrated South to Mesopotamia. According to you. Eastern lands. Doesn't mean Armenian Highlands. It can very well be Ukraine. Here's one. Explain the non-IE Etruscans or the Ice Age survivors of Europe before that and their non-IE cultures. According to you. Then Armenians were non-IE peopels who were inavded by IE's and given a new language. That's what you are saying and that's what the Zionists and Azeris are saying. You will get along with the jew Levon Yepiskoposyan. Look into Michael E. Weale's Armenian Y-Chromosome haplotypes reveal strong regional structure within a single ethno-national group. That's what you're doing and that will be your doom. Read their 'research'. They are not saying the genes are from invaders. They are saying you ALWAYS had those genes.

Originally yeah. Huns in Europe, including Atilla were not Turkic. They were of IE origin, mostly Alans, Slavs and various Gothic tribes.

What Highlander wrote very much sounds like Ataturk's "Sun Theory". This does not make bellthecat right. In any case it's better to have more Vigils and Highlanders than people who think they are worthless. The ideal Armenian is Gamavor, who is exteremely proud of his culture and hsitory but does not resort to creating fairy tales.