Teutonic Knight

As they say in rabizland: "Ape gji kayf a tvel?"

That theory is 20 years old!!! The Kurgan theory is brand new and is the one that is supported by the majority of scholars. The Greco-Armenian language split is correct though. More tomorrow...

Vigil, even ethnocentrism needs some factual backup and sound reasoning. The IE homeland was either North of the Black Sea or South of the Black Sea. Most modern scholars based on the latest research agree that it was North. The steppes of Souther Ukraine/Russia. The rest say it was South. Although I see no problem calling the ancestors of Armenians in the Armenian Highlands who were NOT Indo-European such as the Hurro-Urartians as Armenains because Italians do it with Etruscans, Greeks with early Myceneans (who had non-IE names) etc. Pre-history: 90,000 BC to Paleolithic, Mesolithic and Neolithic periods. Metsamor/Shengavit civilization. http://www.tacentral.com/history.asp Period 1: Late Bronze Age (a) Hayassa-Azzi (with the addition of Hittites) ( Rise of Hurro-Urartians © Arrival of Thraco-Phrygian Armen tribes from Thrace Period 2: Separation of Proto-Armenian language from Proto-Greek and the appearance of Proto-Armenian in the northern areas of Anatolia, associated with Luwians and Hittites, in the period from 2200-1900 BCE. Period 3: The Urartu State Thenative Hurrian speaking people take the role of Western Peasants to the Hurro-Urartian Upper Class while Armen peoples seem to be associated with the Nairi. Period 4: The Scytho-Median overlordship The destruction of Urartu gives the Armen tribes the chance to expand and assume the mantle in the power vacuum of the Urartian state. This is the period in which Hayk becomes acknowledged as the "ancestor" of Hayassa. Period 5: Persian & later Hellenistic Period when the name Armeniya becomes acknowledged. This sees the emergence of Armenian as a literate language with an adapted and modified Aramaean/Greek script, for the first time.

lol What? 99.99% of the Diasporan ... hail from Lebanon, although you can make the case that they're not even diasporans since they identify themslves as Lebanese anyway. Edited by Sasun

anileve, do you have the same opinion about female circumcision? If you ask me it looks a lot neater and wrinkle free.

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Welcome Shkara, are you Georgian?

There are NONE. Like I said, take a shower. There is no valid argument that suggests that circumcision is nothing more than a sadistic ritual. If people are worried about finishing off a bit early than that has nothing to do with sensitivity and everything to do with experience. So unless you're 16 there's nothing to worry about

Not to mention that without a foreskin it's a 30% reduction of pleasure during intercourse!

I don't want to go way offtopic so lets not dwell into this. I will pm you tomorrow regarding your question, it's late and I don't want to write an essay now

It's not as much about politics but about preserving your culture, history and values. Your comment about politics or the enemy would have made sense if you were a Croat referring to Serbian music but not in this case. It's ok though. It took the Greeks over a century. Armenians are just starting. So cases like yours are only antural.

Now you lost me. Only Iranians are Aryans as far as i'm concerned. Nevermind though.

A synthesis within a family is an evolution. A synthesis outside the family is a degradation.

In a way yeah but Church liturgy preserved pure medieval Armenian music. Sayat Nova is ok if you look at it only from a historical point of view. His music is in no way shape or form Armenian. It's as much Armenian as houmus or lahmadjoun. Consider the times he lived in and that he was fluent in turkish, Farsi and Georgian. His music was turkish music with Caucasian and Persian touches. In any case, Sayat Nova's work is art and should be valued just like Komitas.

It's a barbaric RITUAL. Hygiene? Try to take a shower once in a while

You're way off there buddy. That is not Armenian music. Never was. Never will be. If you like those disgusting and disturbing sounds and consider it art that's your problem but do not label it Armenian. Pure Armenian music is reminiscent to Celtic and Greek folk but not Turkish/Azeri or Arabic. You can find that within the liturgy of the Armenian Orthodox and Apostolic Church. I don't care if it's hayko, suro, boka, gago, jinjil vagho, chaxkal bgo or that lunatic asatryan. It's not Armenian and it's not art.

No it's not. Armenians are European and those artists you mentioned are pop artists in the traditional sense. Pop music is the same everywhere. Because all those people have heard is rabiz crap and similar bs which is 100% oriental with bastardized Armenian lyrics. Then why not get over being Armenian? Why not start speaking Turkish? I mean just get over it and ask Turkey or some monkeystan to annex what's left of Armenia. Listen to Bambir or Gor Mkhitaryan. There are several promising Armenian artists out there. Armenia has to find a suitable canditate for Eurovision. I just hope they don't go with that Andre shemale.

Vorovhetev sirt chunem heto nstem bacatrem te ayd barer@ inch en nshanakum. Shat aveli hesht eh irenc lezvov khosal ayspisi depkerum kani vor es huys chunem vor im nerka artahaytvelu orinakic apagayum kdataren ayd oriental barer@ ogtagortsel.

Ara du lurj es? Rabiz@ votic glux teghov turkakan arabakan zibil a. Rabiz lsoghnnernel arandsnapes shat chen tarbervum. Mi KATIL Haykakan ban chka dzer rabizutyan mej. Mi tufti. Hl@ araj rabiz bar@ kfur er hamarvum voch mi rabiz cher @nduni vor ink@ rabiz a. Hima herik chi lav el @ndunum en der "rabiz festival" ner en anum kaghaki mej. Xaytarakutyun a.

Sarmatians? Sarmatians were Caucasian IE peoples, so yeah obviously an admixture of a Sarmatian with one of the Ural-Altaic groups would produce a Turanian. East/Central Asian+Caucasian=Turanian Negro+Caucasian=Mulatto Native American+Caucasian=Mestizo/Metis

Caucasian+Mongolian/Turkic=Turanian

I said semitic, I had Arabs in mind mostly not the very few remaining semitic jews. Since when are jews a part of any race? They come in all shapes and colors. Having an Ashkhenazi grandfather is not a problem as long as the child identifies himself as an Armenian only.

All those years there was always a civil war going on between Chalcedonian Armenians of Byzantium and the West in general and the non-Chalcedonian Armenians of various Eastern Armenian kingdoms. If it wasn't for this stupid theological difference things would have been different. Granted neither Byzantines of Greek and Armenian ancestry were happy with the administration of that time who were blamed for corruption and greed

Karen jan, that's your opinion but someone who is 90% Armenian and 10% black, asian or semitic is NOT an Armenian and can NEVER be an Armenian even if he/she speaks Armenian and has an Armenian name. Someone who is 10% Armenian and 90% Ukrainian, Italian, Dutch or even Maltese or the darkest of Sicilians can be a perfect Armenian. Skin color is irrelevant. Phenotype/morphology combined with culture and values are all that matters.