Teutonic Knight

Gevork Emin is one of my favorite poets in the world. ~~~ I'm An Armenian I'm an Armenian, as old as Ararat; My shoes were wetted by the waters of the Flood. Beside these shining peaks where Noah sat My sword once drew the dread Bel's* evil blood. These boulders overgrown with moss since time Beyond remembrance, my hand hewed to lie In the foundation of an ancient shrine Which my own blood I shed to sanctify. One morning here, in Ararat's green valley My hammer and my pick aside I flung And lit a fire on the Chaldean altar. Those days both Ararat and I were young. Then crimson every valley-flower was dyed; All we had sown in it through ages past Grew on the blood of countrymen who died. Beneath each hillock killed Armenians rest. With trusty shield I met attacking hordes, Suffering countless wounds from countless swords. I'm an Armenian, as old as Ararat. High as the hills I bear my head. My story's sad: Each century that passed brought grief to me. My sons throughout the whole wide world were scattered; With bloody showers Ararat was spattered. My ploughlands crops of misery would yield. I lived and breathed among my burned-out fields On wasteland rubble, ashes steeped in gore. But now, with my own blood revived once more, Again the holy altar-lights burn bright, Warming my heart and gladdening my sight. New ploughshares out of rusted swords I forged; Our fathers' heritage to my children I gave back. Our sorrow fills my verse with hot blood gorged. A twentieth century Gregory Narek** I'm an Armenian, as old as Ararat. Beneath my sorrows Ararat itself would bow. Any ill-omened, blood-thirsty Attila that Arose in history, would deal me his first blow. Inured to massacres, I lived in thrall for ages. An orphan, in the fight for life I'm steeled. My thousand-year-old grain, preserved by hearts courageous, Sown in new times, sprouts in my virgin fields. Blessed be my roots, whose strength is marvelled at! A homeless outcast once, a motherland have I. I'm an Armenian, as old as Ararat. I hold my head as high as eagles fly. * Bel villain who opposed Ike, legendary ancestor of all Armenians. ** Narek (Narekatsi), Grigor (951-1003)-great Armenian poet of Early Renaissance.

But there are no such peoples as "Azeri" how can you spell something which does not exist properly? AzVeris are the reult of the Soviet-Turko love affair. It's not just the mythical "Azeris", the same mythical creatures appeared in Central Asia. Historically Iranian-speaking, Zoroastrian Indo-Europeans occupied all Central Asia up to the borders with Siberia and Altay, where turks dwelled. By mid-centuries Indo-European Zoroastrian civilizations of Central Asia were first converted to Islam by Arab Khalifs and then physically destroyed through series of genocides (favorite mean) by invading turks. Remeber the high towers built of human skulls in Khiva, Bukhara, Samarkand, Mashad? The masterpice of turkish art by Genghis-Khan and Lengh-Timur. The only Indo-European, iranian-speaking muslim nation of Central Asia, that still remains, are Tajiks. The long-standing soviet(jew)-turk love affair resulted in Tajiks not having their separate republic in USSR until 1930s. They were just an autonomous province of Uzbekistan, just like autonomous republic of Artsax in Soviet Azerbaijan. Uzbeks themselves are, again, the typical children of Soviet-Turkish marriage. Before 1920s they did not have such a nick as Uzbeks. They, just like Azeris, were merely called by Russians as "turks" or "tatars" or "turkomans" - all words indicating the same racial origin. In this respect, Uzbeks and Turkmens (residents of Central Asian state of Turkmenistan) are the same nation, artificially separated by Soviets. Another Soviet experiment in Central Asia was the creation of Kyrgiz nation and Kyrgis SSR (todays Kyrgizstan). What Kyrgizs really were is just a different linguistic dialect of Kazakhs. Therefore, as a result of experimentation, 5 different nations were created by Soviets in central Asia in order to control the area and multiply the turkish presence versus Indo-European heritage - TURKIK: Kazakhs, Kyrgizs (this two are same), Uzbeks, Turkmens (this two are also same), and INDO-EUROPEAn: Tajiks, as the only remnants of old Indo-Aryan civilization. Noteworthy, in Pamir, where mountain altitude reaches 4-5 thousand meters above the sea with no turkish historical presence recorded, Tajiks are almost all shaten or blonde with brown or blue eyes. In todays Uzbekistan in the encient oasises of Bukhara and Samarkand, where Zoroastrian civilization once flourished, half-assimilated Tajiks still dominate the population. But, as far as I am informed, their assimilation was the general course of old Soviet and today's Uzbek policy. The following is taken from: http://www.geocities.com/ethnics_of_central_asia/ <"For a variety of reasons the designers of the Soviet "national delimitation" in Central Asia discriminated against the Tajiks, having deprived the newly formed republic of Tajikistan of the two most important centers of Tajik urban culture, Bukhara and Samarkand , as well as regions of Fergana, Surhandarya and Khwrazm which were awarded to Uzbekistan. The majority of population in Uzbekistan are Tajiks. In the words of William Beeman, professor of anthropology at Brown University: "The Tajik situation in some ways resembles that of post-colonial Africa. Tajiks have been given an impossible piece of territory with disparate population and have been forced to make a nation out of it. The majority of Tajiks live outside border of what is known as Tajikistan today.The largest number of Tajiks are living in Uzbekistan, where the majority of Tajiks are forced to be registered as Uzbeks (the Tajiks on the official Uzbeki data, make about 4% of the population of this republic), but the real number of Tajiks living in Uzbekistan believed to be over 50 percent (11-14 millions) of the population."> Sounds familiar?

Seems like you don't know what you're saying. What are you saying again? Once again, there was never an Azerbaijani state or "people" prior to the 19th century.

Gino says that Atropatene (some lunatics even claim Albania) are now Azveris. We know that those people that were under Armenian, Roman or Persian rule most of the time spoke a Caucasian language and when the bloodthirsty Turks came they were Turkified hence they speak a Turkic language (the most similar to Anatolian Turkish) and identify themselves with Turks, their brethren. Now if you're saying the fact that they are Trukic now doesn't change the fact that they are still the descendents of Atropatene/Albania than is it safe to say that by the same logic you accept that Urartians/Hurrians are the ancestors of Armenians who now speak an Indo-European after the migration of Armens?

Nope.

That's because they're Slavic on top of being Orthodox but in comparison to Czechs, Polaks, Slovenians, Georgians etc. Armenians are much closer to Russians as a recent poll conducted by Izvestia showed. Btw the "negative image" as you put it is strengthended by some of your kinsmen in Moscow, when I was there I could not tell the difference in their behaviour and manners and those of Azveris, Chechens, Uzbeks, Gypsies, Turks etc. Most of them bragged about their criminal activities. One Armenian was explaining to me how he dreams to be elevated to the status of a gogh (vor v zakone) lol.

If Putin was in power instead of that drunk fool Yeltsin I doubt there would be any bombing of Serbia. Second, out of the entire Russian population only 0.5% of Russians would call a full blooded Armenian "black" and those would be below the age of 18 without any kind of education.

I agree with everything you said, sadly it does not refute anything I said. But right now the future looks alright (in comparison to georgia & azveristan), so good that i'm thinking of moving to Yerevan for good next year.

The point is they are organized and united, gradually raising their fabrications while Armenian activities regarding the matter are declining. Sad but true. I even heard that some Turk is sueing France for recognizing the Genocide and the European court has accepted the lawsuit. How did the Armenian community allow this case to even achieve a green light?

The first or the second line? From a strict military, geo-political and nationalist view Armenia along with Artsakh are absolutely NOTHING and irrelevant. Do you think there would be any Armenia if Russia didn't issue an ultimatum to Turkey just as they were about to annihilate less than 10% of Armenia that is now ROA during the Artsakh conflict?

If they do, not you and not all the Armenians in the world combined can do anything about it. The existence of Armenia & Artsakh depends solely on Russia. I wouldn't be worried as there is no way this can happen. In any case I doubt Russia will ever do anything good for AzVeristan unless all the AzVeris in Moscow decided to move back to AzVeristan.

So you're saying that modern Assyrians are not the same Assyrians of ancient times but various people (mostly Persians) with a common religion?

It's just that haj doesn't sound Armenian, more like Arabic. Hatjeli yeah, with the letter Ճ. Because in Armenian it's Հաճելի while in ME language they pronounce that word not sure how they spell but it sounds as Հաջիս.

I doubt very much that there is any connection between the "hajis" used by ME Armenians and the word hatjeli. Although, what about k'hajenas or k'kamenas...I would translate it as "would you please?".

Good, that's basically what I meant. I have a question about "Chaldeans". I have come across many definitions on these people and all of them in conflict with one another. What's your take on Chaldeans? Are they a distinct people? Was there really a land south of mijagetk known as Chaldea? Are Chaldeans just Catholic Assyrians?

Those maps were of the Assyrian Empire not Assyria. It's like if you post the map of the Armenian Empire say under Tigranes the Great and say that all those lands are Armenian. Armenian territory in the South ends in Mesopotamia, Taurus Mountains/Med Sea in the South West and Black Sea shores in the North West, Lake Urmia in the South East and Caspian Sea/Caucasian Albania in the North East.

All those words have a gakhtnavank @ hence a vowel.

Wrong again. Hittites and the Egyptians called the proto-Greeks The People of the Sea.

lol if only you weren't a dashnak and stopped calling hook nosed swarthy freaks Armenian you would get along with my White Armenian nationalist friends quite well.

Not Armenian: http://www.legioneuropa.org/Racediv/CSCoon/Images/p42f1.gif Not Armenian: http://www.legioneuropa.org/Racediv/CSCoon/Images/p42f3.gif The other two in Coon's paper are fine. May I remind you that Coon's work is outdated and since then nobody has dared to continue his work.

lol well mr. tashnag I agree with you but unfortunately the rest of the world doesn't. Wherever you go the definition for Armenoid is a swarthy, hook nosed ugly mongrel freak. Therefore most Armenians are Meds with an insignificant so called "Armenoid" minority that came into petty existence through admixture with Arabs, Iranians & Asiatics.

Armenoid does not = Armenian. It's a stupid term anyway. Armenoid is supposed to be a Dinaric except instead of the Nordic/Alpine elements it is replaced with Irano-Afghan/Semitic. Armenoids: Chief Minister of Indian Kashmir, Mr. Mufti Mohammad Syed http://www.expressindia.com/kashmir/polls2002/slide/grfx/49.jpg Pro-terrorist leader, Abdul Khani http://www.milligazette.com/Archives/15-7-2000/Bhat.jpg This is what the so called "Armenoid" is. The Armenian type was prominant in Romans and ha snothing to do with these types. Damn Coon for bringing this up, before him nobody even used this word.

An unusual first post handled well. There is no question that the Armenian genetic makeup has changed several times but name a nation that hasn't gone through the same changes? This is evident especially in the case of Armenians and Greeks, two of the most ancient peoples on planet earth but I fail to see what you are trying to say. Most Armenians I have met acknowledge the fact that Armens or even the later Urartians looked nothing like the inhabitants of Byzantium. Greeks are bit more hesitant with this fact even though it is more evident (ancient art) in their case pointing to changes in Hellenic makeup. Considering the plethora of invasions both nations went through it is a miracle that both have managed to preserve even this much, both Greeks and Armenians could have easily ended up like the Assyrians or even worse.

You wouldn't have there any scientific proof would you there mr. dashnak? Or is that too much to ask for from a swarthy hook nosed so called "Armenoid"?

Armenians need to start breeding like rabbits asap. There has been a severe decrease in the global Armenian population the past few decades. Payti traki sagh ashxarhov mek haziv 14 million Hay lini (et hl@ mi kani million crypto-Armenian turkerin hashvelouc heto).