Teutonic Knight

Fine, execution by a firing squad it is! Ironic you chose the name Sasun

Well, in a strange way I agree with you. Exceot the "chnage" you want and pro-Armenians such as myself want are two different things. You want an Armenian society based on the Kemalist model.That's never going to happen. However the Armenia we want is also pretty much impossible from Caspian to the Black to the Med Sea free of any Oriental influence. That is equally impossible I 'm sorry to say, mainly because most Armenians do not have the brain capacity required to understand exactly what constitutes the so-called "oriental" influence in Armenian society. Those who do on the other hand, are absolutely powerless to do anything about it, because the Turco-Arabic influence goes way back, and has been interwoven in present-day Armenian sub-culture. Much like in Greece. Let's face it: It is impossible to reject the present-day predominant Armenian sub-culture and still be able to live a normal life in Armenia or in the Diaspora. The odd individual that would try to point out the above simple facts, is looked upon as a "wacko", and if they persist, they are being treated as a social leper, in other words, complete social isolation. In present-day world of multi-culturalism, and reverence for non-European cultures, any attempt by any Government towards a more Eurocentric education, would be shunned and condemned by the illuminated Anglo-Americans immediately, followed by sanctions, in the manner that they dealt with Serbia. Further, such an attempt for the enlightment of the Armenian population, requires two things: a. A strong government and a State that is able to control all of its limbs and functions. Armenia is unique in Europe, in that it is the sole member state, that LACKS ANY SEMBLANCE OF ORDER, SYSTEM, OR UNITY . Well maybe except Moldova and Georgia In other words, a completely disorganised state, where chaos prevails. Armenia is perhaps the closest thing that is in existence today, to the state of Kropotkin and Bakunin, i.e. an Anarchy State. b. A receptive population. The Armenians are anything but receptive really. Further, the percentage of the right wing population is so low, that those who would seek to impose such an agenda, would have to deal with a communist "anti-fascist" revolution before long. The Armenian people is by a far margin, the single most liberal, pro-socialist, pro-communist people in the Europe, even worse than the Italians and the Greeks. I don't give a fine f...k if the so-and-so Armenian looks like Dolf Ludgren or Nicole Kidman, if they are a Arabo-Turkic lover, or a Commie, or an Anarchist, or a Socialist, by the Holy Communion of God, I would have no compunctions whatsoever to beat them senseless or to a pulp if the situation allows me to. Being Armenian does not mean that one must stick to Armenians only. The only brothers and sisters are those who think alike, and don't care where do they come from.

I noticed you accuse everyone of this that doesn't take your garbage. Go back to the asylum you came from.

All I can do is laugh at that You have posted like 100 kosher versions of your upbringing. Write a book will ya, and then each year a sequel with different characters and so on. Have you tried standup comedy? I'm done with you.

Armenians don't need a saviour they did a pretty good job so far, your kind on the other hand are ticking bombs, you will self-destruct eventually.

Psycho, I speak Grapar, Eastern and Western Armenian. There isn't a drop of Armenian blood in me.

You oughta seek mental help. Irav khent es. I bet good money that you didn't even understand the scientific data I presented based on your allegations and not my own. Please do not reply as i'm not interested in having a discussion with a mentally challenged individual. By no means is this an insult, just an observation.

Who cares what he is. There are tons of lunatics on the net. I proved beyond a reasonable doubt that everythinge said was false.

What opinion? That is the SCIENTIFIC data gathered by the JEWS themselves. Maybe if you read it again Neah, unlikely.

Btw Zohrab is a Persian name.

He lookes like a jew too Anyway back to this matter. Furthermore, the CMH is also found among some Armenians, according to Dr. Levon Yepiskoposyan (Head of the Institute of Man in Yerevan, Armenia), who has studied genetics for many years. Dr. Avshalom Zoossmann-Diskin wrote: "The suggestion that the 'Cohen modal haplotype' is a signature haplotype for the ancient Hebrew population is also not supported by data from other populations." (Zoossmann-Diskin 2000, page 156). In short, the CMH is a genetic marker from the northern Middle East which is not unique to Jews. However, its existence among many Kurds and Armenians, as well as some Italians and Hungarians, would seem to support the overall contention that Kurds and Armenians are the close relatives of modern Ashkenazi Jews and that the majority of today's Jews have paternal ancestry from the northeastern Mediterranean region. The data only proves the appellation that Ashkenazi Jews took Europoid genes, hence they can easily blend in Western societies unlike the Sephardim or Arabs. 90% of all Armenians I met where White, hell a good number looked like they just walked out of a pub in Gothenburg but the majority are indistinguishable from Meds a la Spaniards, Italians and Greeks. Lets look at the Y-chromosome distribution: http://www.journals.uchicago.edu/AJHG/journal/issues/v69n5/013033/fg4.gif Jewish Mitochondrial DNA http://kulanu.org/dnaclues.html Thus, most jewish communities apparently have a male lineage that extends back to the Middle East and a female ancestry that does not. unlike the case with the men, their genetic signatures are not related to one another or to those of present-day Middle Eastern populations. The pattern is that 1) Jewish male traders arrived at locality X 2) they married local women 3) they then formed an endogamous group. The analogy would be if a bunch of whites went to China, and married Chinese women, and then after the first generation of half-Chinese children was born set up a social system where the half-Chinese kids only married each other. The subsequent population would never become "white" again. In much the same way the current jewish population is not 100% semitic, but is half-gentle, the gentile bit being the female half of the ancestry. This is established by looking at Y-chromosomes (passed down the male line) which are > 70% Semitic, and mtDNA (passed down the female line) which is apparently 0% Semitic However what has arisen from this discussion is that the question still open is what the ethnicity of this female half was. It was not jewish, but it might have been picked up from any point in the jewish people's wanderings. At this point, I think I could confidently say that Ashkenazi jews were "only half semitic". Until and unless it is verified that the mtDNA is similar to white European, we can say that jews (even "pure blooded" jews) are "only half jewish" and are not in fact Halachically jewish!! , but it would be premature to say "half-jewish" = half white. It could be half something else, or a quarter white and a quarter north african, or whatever. I completely disagree about the jewish reaction to this. I think it is a shock, and I think research along these lines will be "discouraged".

He didn't find that!!! Those "studies" were done at the HEBREW UNIVERSITY!!!!! by Ariella Oppenheim & Ein Kerem of the Hadassah-University Hospital. The researchers conducted blood tests of Ashkenazi, Sephardi and Kurdish Jews and examined their Y chromosomes, which are carried only by males. They then compared them with those of various Arab groups - Palestinians, Beduins, Jordanians, Syrians and Lebanese - as well as to non-Arab populations from Transcaucasia - Turks, Armenians and Moslem Kurds. The study is based on 526 Y chromosomes typed by the Israeli team and additional data on 1,321 individuals from 12 populations... Surprisingly, the study shows a closer genetic affinity by Jews to the non-Jewish, non-Arab populations in the northern part of the Middle East than to Arabs. Well, they are obviously highly inbred and have remained distinct from other peoples for about 1000 years. This inbreeding could be due to a small original male population(at the time of the fall of Khazaria it is estimated that 30,000 Jews were present in said country - found that here http://www.khazaria.com/). If the Jewish groups were separated from one another at that time, it might be due to the destruction of their kingdom - Khazaria - and subsequent immigration. From the various studies regarding their mtDNA, it is likely they married local women wherever they settled and from the Y chromosome analysis, it seems that their male population hasn't changed much in all of this time, so no foreign males were allowed into the group(or very very few). Their closer affiliation to non-Jewish, non-Arab peoples in the northern part of the Middle East would fit, assuming they are Khazars. In conclusion, Ashkenazi Jews borrowed genes from Armenians, Kurds, Slavs and later West Europeans!!! That's why there is a clear and undeniable distinction between the Sephardim and Ashkenazim. The fact that they took some of our genes through limited mixing doesn't not mean they are Europoid.

Samuel Weems has pretty nice credentials so does the other jew, Bernard Lewis. So what's Levon's theory? Armenians evolved from Ethiopeans like Greeks

Ehh...I paid 10 bucks. Why do you think it's not good? The only reason I baught it is because it dates Armenian history to 2500 BC. Show me another book like that

"German" jews and the donmeh, any difference? Rosa Luxemburg, Kurt Eisner, Julius Leber, Adolf Reichwien, Eduard Bernstein, Lyman Von Sanders, Zimmermann etc etc. "Baron von der Goltz was born in 1843. After reaching the rank of major, Goltz left the German Army in 1883 to take up a training post with the Turkish Army. He returned to Germany in 1896 as a lieutenant general." (Remember that there were 300,000 Armenians slaughtered from 1895-96!) "In December, 1914, Goltz was transferred to Constantinople." "Sanders became commander of the Turkish First Army but in March 1915, was replaced by Baron von der Goltz." (The orders for the Armenian Genocide were given in April 1915 when Liman von Sanders was still commander!) "Otto Liman von Sanders was born in 1855. He served in staff and divisional commands before becoming head of the German military mission to Turkey in 1913. Despite Russian protests, Sanders became Inspector General of the Turkish Army in January, 1914." "In February, 1918, Sanders took command of the Turkish-German Army on the Palestine Front but was defeated by General Edmund Allenby and his much larger army. After the Armistice Sanders was arrested by the British as a war criminal but was released in August 1919. Otto Liman von Sanders died in 1929." Duke Albrecht, General Karl Allmenroder, Fighter Pilot Prince Max von Baden, Chancellor Gustav Bachmann, Chief of Admiralty Staff Max Bauer, Artillery Commander Paul Bäumer, Fighter Pilot Oliver Freiherr von Beaulieu-Marconnay, Fighter Pilot Fritz von Below, General Otto von Below, General Fritz Bernert, Fighter Pilot Count von Bernstorff, Ambassador to U.S. Hans Berr, Fighter Pilot Rudolf Berthold, Fighter Pilot Hans von Beseler, Military Governor, Poland Theobald von Bethmann-Hollweg, Chancellor Otto von Bismarck, 19th Century Chancellor Oswald Boelcke, Fighter Pilot Felix von Bothmer, General Karl Boy-Ed, Naval Attaché to U.S. Georg Bruchmuller, Artillery Colonel Franz Buchner, Fighter Pilot Karl von Bulow, General Eduard von Capelle, Naval Minister Berthold von Deimling, Field Marshall Friedrich Ebert, Chancellor Hermann von Eichhorn, General Karl von Einem, General Matthias Erzberger, Politician Erich von Falkenhayn, Chief of General Staff Anton Fokker, Dutch/German Aircraft Designer Hermann von Francois, General Alexander von Freytag-Loringhoven, Dep Chf of Gen. Staff Max von Gallwitz, General Baron von der Goltz, Field Marshal (Turkish Army) Wilhelm Groener, General Hugo Haase, Co-chairman of SPD Party Fritz Haber, Scientist Max Klemens von Hausen, General Josias von Heeringen, General Prince Heinrich of Prussia, Admiral Karl Helfferich, Minister of Finance/Interior Count Hertling, Chancellor Paul von Hindenburg, Chief of General Staff Paul von Hintze, Foreign Minister Admiral Franz von Hipper, Commander, High Seas Fleet Max Hoffmann, General Henning von Holtzendorff, Chief of Naval General Staff Oskar von Hutier, General Max Immelmann, Fighter Pilot Frederich von Ingenohl, Commander, High Seas Fleet Josef Jacobs, Fighter Pilot Gottlieb von Jagow, Foreign Minister Hans Kirschstein, Fighter Pilot Alexander von Kluck, General Kress von Kressenstein, General Prince Leopold of Bavaria, General Paul von Lettow-Vorbeck, Colonel Otto Liman von Sanders, General Alexander von Linsingen, General Carl Lody, Convicted German Spy Erich Lowenhardt, Fighter Pilot Erich Ludendorff, Quartermaster General Rosa Luxemburg, Revolutionary August von Mackensen, Field Marshal Georg von der Marwitz, General Georg Michaelis, Chancellor Carl Menckhoff, Fighter Pilot Helmuth von Moltke, Chief of General Staff Georg von Muller, Chief of Naval Cabinet Walter Nernst, Scientist Gustav Noske, Politician Franz von Papen, Military Attaché to U.S. Wenzel von Plehve, General Hugo von Pohl, Commander, High Seas Fleet Maximilian von Prittwitz, General Ferdinand von Quast, General Walter Rathenau, Head of KRA Ludwig von Reuter, Admiral at Scapa Flow Manfred von Richthofen, The 'Red Baron' Fritz Rumey, Fighter Pilot Crown Prince Rupprecht, General Reinhardt Scheer, Chief of Admiralty Staff Philip Scheidemann, President, Weimar Republic Alfred von Schlieffen, Pre-war Chief of General Staff Ludwig von Schroder, Commander, Belgian Coast Navy Hans von Seeckt, Chief of General Staff Wilhelm Solf, Colonial/Foreign Minister Admiral Wilhelm Souchon, Admiral Maximilian von Spee, Admiral Gustav Stresemann, Post-war Chancellor Karl von Tappen, Scientist Alfred von Tirpitz, Naval Minister Adolf von Trotha, Admiral Ernst Udet, Fighter Pilot Joseph Veltjens, Fighter Pilot Werner Voss, Fighter Pilot Otto Weddigen, U-boat Captain Kuno von Westarp, Politician Kaiser Wilhelm II, Monarch Crown Prince Wilhelm, General, Heir Presumptive Kurt Wolff, Fighter Pilot (Germany) Remus von Woyrsch, Field Marshal Ferdinand von Zeppelin, Inventor of Zeppelin Aircraft Arthur Zimmerman, Foreign Secretary The turks didn't just wake up one morning and decide to eliminate the Armenians, consequently cutting off the hand that feeds them. There is very strong evidence that the jews played a MAJOR role in the Armenian Genocide, the real and authentic Holocaust by snaking their way into high positions in Germany and in turkey and they not only instigated it by agitating the turks by pretending to be moslems, but the orders for the genocide was given by Talaat who was also a secret jew like most of the Young Turks. Common jews were pointing out the homes and hiding places of the Armenians to the turks and kurds so they could be slaughtered and some jewseven participated in slaughtering Armenians, a fact which is admitted by a jew Yair Auron in his book "The Banality of Indifference: Zionism and the Armenian Genocide".

Very funny. It's been proven that they were all jewish in origin and not German. Lyman von Sanders German? I think not.

Moshe, since you like most jews value nazi opinion so much here's what modern neo-Nazis say about Armenians. Unlike jews they are pro-Armenian and support the Armenian genocide recongition. Here's what the mos famous White Supremacist on the web Arthur Kemp says about Armenians: ~~~ I dealt with the tragedy of Armenia in quite some detail in chapter 35 (), the relevant piece I reproduce below. In it you will read that I beleive that great numbers of White Armenians fled that country in the run up to the Ottoman destruction of the territory, and this accounts for the fact that most Armenians I have met in the West are White, and that the present day inhabitants of the territory of Armenia show some signs of genetic damage. As to the debate around Hittite or Phrygian origin, I cannot say that I went into it deeply enough to come to a conclusion. Which ever of the two it was, we can say for sure that it was a result of the Indo-European movement of peoples, and that is good enough for me! I hope the part below is of some interest. Regards Arthur - - - http://www.white-history.com/hwr35.htm Brutal Destruction Of Armenia 1915-1923 The region of Armenia, situated on the southeastern banks of the Black Sea, contains one of the most tragic and violent anti-White acts ever committed by the Ottoman Empire. Originally one of the earliest Indo-European homelands, Armenia has some of the oldest iron and bronze smelting and cereal grains sites in the world. Shaken by the flooding of the Black Sea basin around 5600 BC, Armenia was then occupied in quick succession by the early Indo-European Assyrians and Persians. A period of independence followed, and under their great King Tigranes I (140-55 BC), Armenia established an empire which reached from the Caspian Sea to the Mediterranean and parts of modern-day Syria. This empire ended with the invasion of that country by the Romans in 69 BC. Armenia then became the first Christian state in the world in AD 301. Racially speaking, the inhabitants of the region had suffered slight genetic damage in terms of Semitic infusions, but the country was devastated by the 11th Century invasion by the Seljuk Turks, the forerunners of the Ottomans. The Seljuk Turks’ oppressive rule saw a huge number - possibly even a majority - of White Armenians fleeing the country. The Ottoman Empire, which took over from the Seljuks, instituted an even greater reign of terror against the remaining Armenians, causing further waves of emigration right until the late 19th Century, with many Armenians settling in America. Those who stayed in Armenia were subject to the most horrendous massacres and persecution, with hundreds of thousands of Armenians being massacred by Turkish forces, culminating in efforts by the Turkish government to move Armenians to Mesopotamia. Between 1915 and 1923 more than one million Armenians died due to the Turkish attempted forced migration. White Remnants Flee Armenian Genocide By this stage, the vast majority of White Armenians had either emigrated, or had been absorbed into the overwhelming numbers of non-Whites in the Armenia itself, so that today very few original White Armenians remain in the country. Armenia was therefore a entire country and people who were physically wiped out by the Ottomans, one of the greatest hidden genocides of the Turkish Empire.

yepiskoposyan??? You mean Roman yepiskoposyan?? The lunatic that wrote National System? bwahahaha Aryan has nothing to do with race! Aryan is linguistic and a cultural term. If you beleive otherwise than you must be a Nazi. Armenians are Europoid, those that are not are not Armenian. Armenian is not a title that you can pin on somebody.

First of all i'm not Armenian! But if you are then I guess so am I. I'm familiar with that lunatic baliozyan or whatever his name is. He's so shocking OMG!!! Controversial lol Is he the jew-mongol hybrid you speak of? It must suck to have an inferiority complex though I suspect in your case and baliozyans case it's just a hidden agenda.

Well said Sir.

American jew or turk whatever it is. Based on scientific and historical research it is clear that Armenians mixed heavily with OTHER EUROPEANS but never with Asiatics and Semites. After the fall of Cilicia, Armenians were raped and robbed by the people you speak of. I'm surprised you don't say Armenians are 50% sub-saharan like most turks and jews I know. End of discussion.

Why is thus guy allowed to post here?

See for yourself, it was in the history forum. Armenian-turk mongol connection or something. The guy that was arguing with them got bullied away and you didn't seem to disagree.

never heard of it but i'm interested. Anyway I just found out about a book by Mark Chahin called the Kingdom of Armenia. Apparently in this book the gentlemen proves that the Armenian nation was founded in 2500 BC(whoa), I just ordered a used hardcover edition. I hope it's good.

really? ask America-Hye what he thinks about that. As I was reading some interesting topics in the archives I noticed that the majority agree with that conclusion. Especially THOTH & Khodja.