Teutonic Knight

How can dashnak speak about unity? That's hilarious. Dashnaks are the ones strengthening separation to no limit. The Armenian spoken in Armenia has no foreign influences, not one. God bless Abovyan, no Armenian has done so much for the future of Armenia as Abovyan. The slang in the streets might have a few Russian words, at least Russian is an IE language not some guttural arabic or turkish that dashnaks people speak. So called "Western Armenian" has a few words from armenia is a mongrelized perverted language based on semitic arabic and asiatic turkish, add a bunch new words that came out from who knows where and you go that kak. Grapar is a great langauge, although it still has a lot of Iranian words it is much more pure than any Armenian spoken today.

None of those names sounds Armenian except Martakert and Martuni

Arpa I know you're a very ignorant person, since you didn't know about Teutonic Knights in the Middle Ages/Crusades (that's why I showed apathy and didn't take your idiotic Nazi remark as an insult lol). But Anahit, Vahagn and Aramazd are FOREIGN deities. Yes they are Aryan so not as foreign as the Semitic religion we have now but very little is known about Armenian religion before the foreign "Iranian" occupation and Hellenization. Hayk and Ara seem to be the only 100% Armenian characters. There is an awesome book in Russia that explored Armenian mythology, scrutinizing everything...Mifi Narodov Mira....a great encyclopedia. It's available online here in Russian: http://www.edic.ru/myth/?start_id=1270&step=30

I was at a recent AGBU banquet in Toronto celebrating the 50th anniversary of the Armenian Church. Didn't see any Pashtuns, Mongols or Middle Easterners Not one. Your psychosis and mongrelized background is your problem.

True, the difference is he was right. Your allegations have been refuted numerous times on this board.

You're insane.

It is give and take. Freedom verses censored Art, culture and inefficient decayed ideology. I take the freedom! Armenia is just beginning to stand on her feet. Give her some time and she will flourish. I agree with you. I mean I hate commie pinko bastards but the current state of Armenia and some Armenians in Russia or California is God awful!!! Did it take a totalitarian commie regime to reawaken the Armenian glory that died out in the 1400's? It's seems like that after independence Armenia is right back in the Dark Ages that began in the 1400's as a result of savage invasions by barbarians, only now there aren't any barbarians but "Armenians". I hope things get better soon. Already there is a bill in parliament to change the name of Armenia and never remember that stupid foreign name "hayastan".

Culturally it was great. Right now Armenia has no culture and the society is in decay. Armenia before independence had language reforms, nobody has done so much for Armenia as Abovyan. Armenia had great scientists,sportsmen, artists etc. None of that now

PRELIMINARY DATA THREE ARMENIANS KILLED IN TRAIN TERRORIST ACT IN STAVROPOLIAN REGION - December 06, 2003 14:14 /PanARMENIAN.Net/ According to the preliminary data, there are three Armenians among the victims of the act of terrorism committed in the train in the Stavropolian region of Russia. As reported by the Russian information agencies these are Irina and Zalina Asrumians (born 1987 and 1963) and Khoren Grigorian (1954) residing in the Russian town of Kislovodsk. According to the data cited by the Russian ministry of emergency situations, there are also a number of injured people with their last names ending with "ian", Arminfo agency reports. To note, yesterday morning the blast in the Pyatigorks-Essentuki train killed 40 people.

Death to all Chechen scum. 300 CHECHEN MERCENARIES REPORTED TO FIGHT AGAINST Artsax ON AZERBAIJAN'S SIDE IN 1992 STEPANAKERT, DECEMBER 5. ARMINFO. Almost 300 Chechen mercenaries fought against Artsax on Azerbaijan's side in early 1992, says the experts of Caucasian Media Institute Hayk Demoyan in his monograph "The Artsax Drama: Secret Deeds." The mercenaries were recruited under a military agreement between the Azeri and Chechen authorities: the Chechen side pledged to provide fighters against arms and ammunition. However, the Chechens were heavily beaten and left Artsax soon. After the mid-1993 defeats the Azeri government was forced to order mercenaries from Afghanistan. Referring to the memoirs of the American journalist Thomas Goltz, Demoyan writes that the former US special service agents who took part in the Iran-Contras affair sent mercenaries to Azerbaijan and retrained Azeri pilots in Texas. But soon the FBI revealed Baku's ties with the organizers of the terrorist acts against the US embassies in Kenya and Tanzania and stopped the assistance. The former Greek ambassador to Armenia Leonidas Kristanopoulos says in his memoirs that in Oct 1993 Turkey tried to take advantage of Russia's parliamentary crisis and to invade into Armenia. According to the French secret services, the speaker of the Russian parliament Ruslan Khasbulatov and the Turkish prime minister Tansu Ciller signed an agreement allowing Turkey to invade into Armenia in case of the victory of the anti-Yeltsin group in Russia. The former US ambassador to Armenia has confirmed this fact. Referring to Armenian, Russian, Turkish, Azeri, American and French sources as well as the archives of the State Department of National Security of Artsax, Demoyan says that in 1991-1992 the Turkish air forces made a series of secret flights to Azerbaijan to deliver arms and ammunition to that country. Azeri officers and soldiers were actively retrained in Turkish military schools. The Turkish secret services in close contact with the Azeri office of the Turkish "Gray Wolves" organization began actively recruiting mercenaries from the Turkish 3rd field army (Kars and Igdir provinces) and sending them to Azerbaijan. Ankara did its best to resolve the Artsax problem to Baku's advantage. Apr 3 1993 Turkey officially closed its border with Armenia and signed an agreement for supplying arms to Azerbaijan and retraining Azeri servicemen thereby violating the OSCE 1993 ban on the import of arms into the Artsax conflict region.

I am Ashkhenasim, however I don't know a word of what you are all saying ,as New Joisey is my home! I only know Sapranos, Frank Sanatra, and Bon Jovi! If my great grandparents did not immigrate from Russian-Pole{Warsaw} when they did before the turn of last century..my whole family tree would have gone up like smoke in the ovens. Thank God for boats, the Statue of liberty, and New York New York!P.S. Ashkhenasim Jews generally look down on Sephardic Jews....go figure! I know American Jews in Myrtle Beach who did not want Sephardic Jews from Mexico City to go to the town Synagogue{which had only about 25 families anyway back in the early 70s}..so the Sephardics had to buy a small house and convert it into their own place to worship..they were only there in summer months to sell water goods for the beach.,,go figure again!..Guess all Jews don't stick together after all..eh?????.. JF Your ancestors were Mongol-Turkic Khazars+Europeans Most Ashkenazim identify themselves as Europeans anyway so the Khazar link is as evident as the turkic link in modern Bulgarians. I know what you mean about the Hebrew/Israelite/Sephardic minorities. My Russian-Polish Jewish friends used to gang up on Morrocan jews and beat them up calling them all kinds of derogotary words...like semitic freaks, sandniggers etc.

Over 90% of all jews living today are the descendants of Khazars(Ashkhenazim)...the rest are the Sephardim, Yemenites etc. Their ethnic makeup was mostly Turko/Mongol mixed with North Caucasians, Slavs and some Vikings. After the Rus destroyed the Jewish Kingdom of Khazaria they migrated further to Western Europe from the Caucasus and Ukraine.

Note that his name is spelled as "Garabedian", so he's not from Armenia. Accelerated, self reliance? That's good, but then again if an immigrant dropped the "Armenian" label altogether they would be better off in the long run.

BREAKING THE CHAINS OF ARMENIAN SLAVERY "The sun's ferocious beam could be felt upon our backs as our tenth hour working straight came. The gallon of water we had brought with us now completely used up, we were going into a state of hallucinatory fever. The boss yelled at us to continue work and not stop for breaks." Sounds like an excerpt from a slave's accounts in a plantation in the 1800's? In fact it does, however, this excerpt is from my own experiences working for a "fellow Armenian" in Los Angeles in the year 2003. Coming to America as an immigrant, I had moved here for a brighter future, and a feeling that In California, Armenians cared for each other and wanted to move forward and progress together. I came with the belief that Armenians stuck together, and worked hard to help each other out in times of hardship. What I found was that there is no Armenian pride left. Armenian Business owners see their Armenian compatriots who have come to America with no documents, and in need of jobs, as a way to profit from their disadvantageous position. They hire fellow Armenians at below minimum wages, and subject them to excruciatingly brutal work conditions, and long hours of heavy work. They are not poor businessmen, who cannot afford to pay higher wages. They are in fact, very wealthy and own several homes and expensive cars; all due to their high profits obtained from tax evasion, and low wages paid to their workers. These businessmen have become wealthy by the blood and sweat of other Armenians. I am compelled to tell the truth and expose these sick bastards, as they have no care towards the livelihood of other Armenians and only wish to become wealthy and approach their mind conceived "godliness". One such shop I worked in was a marble and granite shop. When entering this dark and dusty shop, pockets of the sun's rays glistened off the dilapidated machinery. The rat infested "sweat shop" was truly a grotesque sight in itself. Within the shop, there were as many as 10 employees at one time. Later, many had left, but the most there had ever been was about 10 workers. About 5 of the ten workers, would be working within the shop while the other 5 or so would be working outside the shop in homes laying tiles or installing counter tops. One man was appointed to cutting the huge slabs of marble or granite with a massive saw that was operated electrically. The other men would glue edges onto the counter tops while others grinded the edges round and polished them. The team I was appointed to would then load the huge counter tops onto a truck, and head out to homes where we installed them. Now it is easy to imagine the extreme weight of these counter tops, as they are made of rock. The boss would only send two guys to transport and install these counter tops. One time my partner and I were sent to this job where the counter top was this L-shaped mammoth of slab, and the location where we were to install it was down these flight of stairs. Despite numerous protests to the boss to bring more helpers to move the slab, he refused and forced us to go alone. Now, he knew that it took 5 guys to barely load the slab onto the truck. So how did he expect two guys to move it down a flight of stairs? Well it wouldn't have been profitable for him to send 5 guys to a job where he was charging so little. You see, he didn't have the business sense of making customers happy by quality service which most people would happily pay more for. The way he made profits was like this. He would charge customers half the market price for such services that any other legitimate company would have charged. How then does he make a profit? Well, he would pay us very low wages, a daily rate. Now he didn't care about the hours we worked. Our normal day should have been from 8am to 5pm. But when he paid us daily, he meant daily. He would want us to work 18 hours just so he could get his job done and make more. The more days it takes us to get a job done, the more he would have to pay us the less he would make. But it is inhuman to work such long hours and at such a heavy job. Well, my partner and I were lucky enough to find two other construction workers that day, and the 4 of us barely made it down those stairs. Given a normal 8 hour work day, people have to take a 30 min break at least and a lot of places also a 15 min coffee break. Now the days we worked until 11pm, (sometimes 1 am) we had only taken a 15 min break. If the boss ever saw us resting for 5 min, he would yell at us and tell us to get to work. We were lucky that he wouldn't always be at the work sites, so then we could have taken longer breaks, but sometimes he would drive over to check up on us. Many days he would stay watching over us and force us to work longer hours. By law, you are allowed to work overtime but no more than 4 hours. Also, the wage you receive for over time is one and a half times your normal hourly wage. We would get the same daily amount no matter how long we worked. I for example, started working at 40 dollars a day. After 4 months, I was making 50 dollars a day. Many times I had come home dead tired at 12 am, too tired to cook my dinner or even enjoy a nice evening with friends. This slave driver of a boss, also made people work Sundays, (normal work week was 6 days for us) but I took a stand and refused. I was punished indirectly by other worse duty jobs. In terms of health and human rights issues, we were abused under all the factions. Some days I would work in the shop, where the boss wanted us to get into a garbage bin that was dangerously over filled, and was too heavy to transport by the dump trucks. This garbage bin was full of the decomposing remains of haunta virus infested rats, and when I refused to come near any rat without a respirator, the boss just made a joke and called me a chicken. It took every nerve in my body not to frag (abbr. verb for “fragmentation grenade”) this evil man, but I didn't want to be caught by the police after and put in jail then deported. Eventually I left this job however, and found other jobs with Armenians. The next job I took while working in California, was at a dry cleaners. This was a well-established business that brought many affluent customers. The business was owned and operated by an old Armenian couple. This seemed like a heaven sent job, since I didn't have to contend with harmful dust or back breaking labor. I was wrong. They had me working at this job for the whole week. I'd arrive at 10am and leave the store at 9pm. I would have to sort the clothes according to these numbers and colors attached to them. Seems light enough a job doesn't it? Well it would be if you only worked 8 hours at it. But the job was an assembly line job and breaks were a joke. The flow of clothes to be sorted kept me on my feet at all times and I constantly had to run from one position on the line to another. The man's wife was a crazy cross eyed woman who always yelled in a high pitched shrill that would awaken the dead. She would never talk in a normal voice. She would only yell. After my first week on the job I went to the boss to discuss my hours and work out a schedule and wage. He started talking to me very rudely and said, "Look here. This is a 24-hour business, and you are going to work here everyday. You will work here for two months straight every single day until 9pm. After two months, you will get every third Sunday off." I was surprised by the tone he conveyed especially since he was trying to impose slavery in the 21st century! I told him I could not work such hours, and every single day since I have to study. I take college at home since I cannot attend a university here nor do I have enough money to. I study from the Internet based colleges. I still will receive a nationally accredited degree, so the prestige of an expensive college doesn't make a difference to me since I will be working in a good job once I become a citizen. I tried to reason with him as to why I couldn't work a normal shift. He just grunted over and over again how this is a 24 hour business and such. The concept of rationale did not reach his mindset. I wasn't even asking to work part time, I was just asking to work a normal 40 hour work week. Well the reason why he wanted to have me working there every day was again a matter of personal gain. Him and his wife didn't care that I was a young fellow Armenian new to this country looking for a start to my life. They just saw me as a way to save money on wages and become rich. Might I note that everyone there was receiving sub standard wages and working brutally long hours. To conclude this writing, I would like to say that I have lost a lot of faith in the Armenian brotherhood. I feel the old honorable ways of the Armenians I was brought up to believe, were all washed away by the capitalist greed embedded within these business owners. They will stop at nothing to become rich, and even use their own people who are in need of a hand, to gain the riches they so desire. The nationalism I used to feel for being Armenian has changed drastically. I still feel that I am Armenian, but I seriously doubt the motives of most of the business owners out there. This wasn't an isolated incident. Just go to Glendale and North Hollywood and see all the Armenian shops there. See how many hours a day the poor Armenian immigrants work, and the miniscule wages they receive. They have families to support but little do their bosses care. We are led to believe that slavery was abolished more than a century ago. Why then, does the use of slavery drive the American economy forward from the shadows of horrific sweatshops? Armen Garabedian http://azg.am/start.pl?lang=EN&num=2003110101

This board welcomes all trolls. It's fine to deny the Armenian Holocaust and you can go ahead and call Armenians sub-saharan/mongol/arab, mountain dwelling, swarthy mongrels Just make sure you don't brake any of the "forum rules" Btw Nikephoros_Phokas, i'm e-shaking your hand for that brilliant post. Bravo.

Are you Diasporans? If so it's none of your business. Without Russia there is no Armenia.

Moscow has always been a European city, when not under Mongol-Tatar occupation. Unless your definition of European is "Western". Athens managed to meet the highest European standards too, Yerevan is still struggling but it looks promising.

There's only one Armenian, the one spoken in Armenia and there are various dialects spoken outside Armenia.

Scroll down and read the comments and the big article posted, lots of light on Peres and others regarding the one and only Holocaust of the 20th Century: http://www.dailypundit.com/archives/007910.php

Pronounced chick-sent-me-high-ee

"Armenian Church" is not that different from the "Byzantine Church" don't forget that the overwhelimg majority of Armenians were Byzantines. Where do you think 20 Armenian Emperors and over 80 Generals in the Empire came from? Not to mention that Armenian was techniclly the second most spoken language in the glorious Eastern Roman Empire. The national character in the Church that you speak of which comprises of a) pagan symbols, animals etc. which where used initially to attract pagans to Christianity (and it worked) and Cilician art That's never going to go away, don't worry about that. Dropping the so called "Oriental" crap and re-joining with what you call the "Byzantine Churches" is what's going to happen, it's just the acceptance of the Chalcedonian position which holds that Christ has two natures, one divine and one human. the Church is going to remain the Armenian Church just like there is a Greek Church, a Serbian Church, Bulgarian Church etc. All the Armenians I know, are Armenian Orthodox and not monophysite. It's only a matter of time. Back in the good old days the Empire tried to reconcile in the form of monothelitism but the majority rejected it anyway, the Church had more power with the majority being Chalcedonians of course.

That's an artificial title, it all came to be because of Nestorianism... Most likely the Church will drop that in the near future and unite with the Orthodox Churches. This discussion is quite a hot topic these days at Echmiatsin.

The one and only difference is that the Armenian Church is monophysite which I think is a HUGE mistake and the other Orthodox Churches are not. If only the Armenian Church did not reject the Council of Chalcedon. Despite this most Greeks, Russians, Serbs, Romanians etc. and Armenians still don't bother with this and do not differentiate much.

US security? Why would Armenia give a damn about US security? Mighty bollocks. It's a good source of energy and I doubt it will be shut down in the near future.

The Armenia Country Strategy Paper (CSP) was adopted by the Commission on 27 December 2001 and provides the strategic framework within which EC assistance will be provided for the period 2002-2006. The CSP follows the guidelines set out in the Framework for Country Strategy Papers, and takes its basis from the Regulation for the provision of assistance to the partner countries in Eastern Europe and Central Asia (Council Regulation EC, Euratom N° 99/2000 of 29 December 1999). The CSP constitutes the Indicative Programme as described in article 3.2 and 3.3 of the Regulation and revises and updates (as foreseen in article 3.6 of the Regulation) the Indicative Programme for 2002-2003 adopted in 2000. The CSP sets out EC cooperation objectives, policy response and priority fields of cooperation based on a thorough assessment of policy agenda and political and socio-economic situation of Armenia. The National Indicative Programme (NIP, Chapter 6 of the CSP) sets out the response in more detail, highlighting objectives, expected results and conditionality for Tacis in the priority areas of cooperation for the period 2002-2003. The Republic of Armenia (hereafter, Armenia) is committed to the implementation of the Partnership and Cooperation Agreement with the European Union which entered into force in July 1999. Armenia's political situation is stable but fragile and influenced by an unstable regional context and the conflict with the Republic of Azerbaijan over Nagorno-Artsax; economically, Armenia has experienced consecutive growth since 1994, but this has partly depended on international aid and remittances from the Diaspora and it is also due to catching up the GDP level before 1991; its social situation has deteriorated considerably over the last decade. A member of the Council of Europe since January 2001, Armenia's respect for democracy, the rule of law and human rights is not particularly alarming. The CSP is in line with the Statement on Development Policy, adopted by the Commission and the Council in November 2000 which, for developing countries like Armenia, identifies poverty reduction as the primary focus of the EU's development assistance. The EU Food Security Programme will continue to remain a priority for Armenia. Over the time frame of this CSP, one of the main EU objectives remains the closure of the Medzamor Nuclear Power Plant, for which work is ongoing, involving the Armenian authorities, the EU Member States and the other relevant international players. In line with the General Affairs Council's conclusions of 26/02/01 and 09/04/01, the EU will look for further ways in which it could support efforts to prevent and resolve conflicts as well as in post conflict rehabilitation in Southern Caucasus, including Armenia. An eventual breakthrough in the conflict with Azerbaijan over Nagorno-Artsax will be considered in this respect. The Tacis programme 2002-2003 can effectively assist Armenia by focusing on two priority areas: (1) support for institutional, legal and administrative reform, including: implementation of the EU-Armenia PCA; reforms in the field of higher education; development of information technologies; strengthening the effectiveness of vocational education and training; flanking measures in support of the EU Food Security Programme; (2) support in addressing the social consequences of transition, in particular through investments in the education sector. The indicative budget for Tacis assistance to Armenia for the period 2002-2003 is € 10 million. Full text: http://europa.eu.int/comm/external_relatio...sp/02_06_en.pdf