TigrannesIII Posted October 2, 2002 Report Share Posted October 2, 2002 another important reason why Armenian women should remain pure before marriage (this is a point I think I have alluded to) is because women are the custodians of the culture. If they stray, what effect will that have on the coming generation? It is the job of the woman to raise the kids right- as much as someone like me may be proud to be Armenian and do everything to raise his child to have the same ideals, in the end I am greatly flawed- and in the end, most men are @$$ho1e$ and that's why we need strong women. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azat Posted October 2, 2002 Report Share Posted October 2, 2002 quote:Originally posted by TigrannesIII:I gotta goatee now, I look like your twin now ... quote:Originally posted by nairi:Does this mean you'd potentially marry me?Tigran, see now you are cool that you have a goatee. Women want to marry you. Nairi jan, I have a beard, does that count? Vahan jan, I understand that it was(or actually I should say is important) to Armenians and maybe the Chinese and half the population of the world, my question is why? Why is it so important. Lets get one thing straight, we are not talking about sluts or anything like that here. We are talking about 2 women who are upstanding citizens, well educated and all that. Why would one be a better wife than the other because she has not experienced sexual pleasures. If I were a woman(thank God I am not) I would definitely insist that I had sex with potential husband prior to marriage. What if the guy had a 2 inch personality. Are you as a woman willing to live with a 2 inch wee-wee for the rest of your life? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nairi Posted October 2, 2002 Report Share Posted October 2, 2002 Perhaps I acquired my attitude growing up in country where sex is pretty much at the forefront of everything; where prostitutes are respected, have legal jobs and pay tax; where homosexuals are free to get married and adopt children; and where single (teenage) mothers are not ex-communicated or stoned to death. This is a country where everyone is free to choose for themselves, from sexual promiscuity, using drugs and having abortions, to virginity, staying clean and becoming a monk. Nobody stops no one. New people are given new laws; old laws are easily and smoothly replaced. I'm not saying Armenia should look like this, but I sure would be less embarrassed to introduce my odar friends to Armenians if there was a bit more tolerance and respect for difference among us. Tigrannes, though I understand where you're coming from, my main worry is: what will you do to your daughter if you find out she's been having pre-marital sex? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nairi Posted October 2, 2002 Report Share Posted October 2, 2002 quote:Originally posted by Azat:Nairi jan, I have a beard, does that count? Are you a virgin? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TigrannesIII Posted October 2, 2002 Report Share Posted October 2, 2002 you see, Azat jan, that's what I'm trying to get at. If a woman won't marry a man she loves because he has a shorter list, then the woman is worthless. If a man won't marry a woman or cheats on his wife because she's not on fire in the sack, then he, too, is worthless. People shouldn't marry just because of sex- it shouldn't even be a factor. That's why I'm so revolted by this society- it's driven waaaay too much by sex. The same goes for the rest of Western Europe and anywhere else where pre-marrital sex is accepted- girls eventually turn to $lut$, and the fabric of the society goes down. Go look at Armenia where girls are still righteous- how much drug abuse is there? Do you all see where I'm going? Look at Iran where women are righteous- how much drug abuse is there? Now look at the USA where women aren't- how much drug abuse is there? How much child molestation is there? How much patricide, homicide? Alot. You see, when the women's righteousness goes, there goes the society. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Fadi Posted October 2, 2002 Report Share Posted October 2, 2002 quote:Originally posted by nairi: Are you a virgin? Private messages exist for such questions. [ October 02, 2002, 03:52 PM: Message edited by: Domino ] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TigrannesIII Posted October 2, 2002 Report Share Posted October 2, 2002 quote:Originally posted by nairi:Perhaps I acquired my attitude growing up in country where sex is pretty much at the forefront of everything; where prostitutes are respected, have legal jobs and pay tax; where homosexuals are free to get married and adopt children; and where single (teenage) mothers are not ex-communicated or stoned to death. This is a country where everyone is free to choose for themselves, from sexual promiscuity, using drugs and having abortions, to virginity, staying clean and becoming a monk. Nobody stops no one. New people are given new laws; old laws are easily and smoothly replaced. I'm not saying Armenia should look like this, but I sure would be less embarrassed to introduce my odar friends to Armenians if there was a bit more tolerance and respect for difference among us. Tigrannes, though I understand where you're coming from, my main worry is: what will you do to your daughter if you find out she's been having pre-marital sex?Nairi, I guess I can't really blame you, since you've grown up in probably the worst society in the history of the modern world. It's just that if you're going to accept the host culture, why still call yourself Armenian? God, please don't even ask me what I'd do. As it is I don't permit my sisters to date. I've got people back home keeping an eye out for me, and the word is out that anyone who puts a finger on one of my sisters gets killed. I still remember when we were little kids (she was 6 years old, I was 8) and I beat some little boy for talking to her )))) As for your odar friends, maybe they should learn to be tolerant of our ways? My philosophy is let all cultures do their own things, my only worry is making sure that Armenians stick to our ways. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nairi Posted October 2, 2002 Report Share Posted October 2, 2002 quote:Originally posted by TigrannesIII:God, please don't even ask me what I'd do. As it is I don't permit my sisters to date. I've got people back home keeping an eye out for me, and the word is out that anyone who puts a finger on one of my sisters gets killed. I still remember when we were little kids (she was 6 years old, I was 8) and I beat some little boy for talking to her ))))You're lucky there's a whole computer in between us, or else I would have sent MY brother to break YOUR face for even daring to read my posts. [ October 02, 2002, 04:07 PM: Message edited by: nairi ] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TigrannesIII Posted October 2, 2002 Report Share Posted October 2, 2002 you're not the oldest brother of your family, you couldn't possibly relate Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TigrannesIII Posted October 2, 2002 Report Share Posted October 2, 2002 and it's 2 computers (not just 1) and some phone lines Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azat Posted October 2, 2002 Report Share Posted October 2, 2002 Dude, are you not a Badger? I thought 2 things that badgers majored on were sex and alcohol. What happened to you? Sex is such an important part of marriage that to say one should not pay attention to it(or however you put it) is absurd. By the way I am the oldest brother and I too can't relate. By the way 2: You used the word "list" as well. LMAO Domino, Nairi and I use PMs only to exchange pictures. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nairi Posted October 2, 2002 Report Share Posted October 2, 2002 Tigrannes, how do you expect a woman to marry you if she's not even allowed to talk to you before you're married? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TigrannesIII Posted October 2, 2002 Report Share Posted October 2, 2002 1)RE the Badger state, check pm2)It's only become important as of late, marriage should be built upon compatability and creating the ideal situation to make life easier for the children. This is what I mean, sex destroys family values. If a woman really loves a guy, she'll get beyond his short list, and if a guy really loves a woman he will get past her inability to provide an adequate envelope. Go see what your ancestors worried about- having a good wife or having the perfect envelope.3)If you have a younger sister and arent trying to keep people away from her, I question where your priorities lie. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
khodja Posted October 2, 2002 Report Share Posted October 2, 2002 Tigrannes III, How do YOU know that Armenian Christianity has remained constant for 1700 years? Were you there 1700 years ago? Do you know that in 1955 my father's doctor prescribed cigarettes for him to calm him down on his top-secret stressful job? Medicinal cigarettes!!!!!! Do you believe EVERYTHING that you are taught? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THOTH Posted October 2, 2002 Report Share Posted October 2, 2002 Amazing - but I think that this thread has turned into something potentially intersting and worthwhile. I would like to see more female particiaption however - particularly from Armenia. I am wondering just how sex free and drug free that place really is - and somehow I have mty doubts. Tigrannes I couldn't disagree with you more...well...pretty much on everything...LOL. In particualr your point about sex not being important in marraige! LOL - Man - why don't you just marry a guy then? - LOL. I mean - they only invented TV a few decades ago - think about it - just what did couples do for fun before then? Sure - I don't discount that there is much more to marraige then sex - along the lines you have alluded - but to think it unimportant - and to claim that it is/has been unimportant in family life prior to the present time (in the West)...well this is just a ludicrous statement... And I too have a younger sister. And I always made a point to have a little talk with her boyfriends/dates as soon as I could. It ussually went something pretty much like this. "If my sister ever tells me you have done something against her wishes or have hurt or disrespected her in any way - you are a dead man - period" Other then that I pretty much left my sister to decide on her social life (after giving her the jist of my "talk" to the b/f or date and reminding her to keep her wits & be careful - etc)...and you know what - she has turrned out just great (and only ever had one date "issue" that was promptly resolved after she came to me...and funny thing - he is her husband now...LOL). And she is an excellent wife & mother - etc - as is my wife who certainly had sex prior to marriage (with me at the very least! LOL). I don't see any correlation betwen pre-maritial sex and worthyness of being a wife and mother - sorry - no. Perhaps we should start a poll? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THOTH Posted October 2, 2002 Report Share Posted October 2, 2002 And Tigrannes - one word of advice - keep your (eventual...[poor girl]) wife sexually satisfied and a whole lot of things become an awfly lot easier...LOL - and its when partners aren't satisfied - by proper love/attention and sexual attentiveness/etc - that they look for such elsewhere. IMO - sexual compatability (and ability [or at least enthusistic effort]) play a major part in keeping families together...its when these wane that often one or the other spouse (or both) starts looking for this necessary human fulfilment elsewhere. Lets put this in terms you might understand shall we? Lets say you were a poor masturbator (perhaps you are - and thats why you think sex isn't so specil etc LOL) - well I supose you would get very disatisfied - perhaps even start thinking/behaving strangely. You suspect that it could be done better - and that you might like it - but you can't seem to figure it out on your own. Don't you think you might just step out of your normal (unsatisfactory) routine and maybe buy some vibrating dolly or other aid - something totally different - in order that you might become satisfied with the experience? I don't know - just some conjecture on my part...LOL And Tigrannes - I truly believe that our world suffers not from too much sex - but from not enough. I think a lot of ur problems are due to people going around unsatisfied, lonely, perhaps confused or depressed - not knowing how they might be happier - etc. Well - don't know if you have had the pleasure yet - but sex is good - really really good (or can be/ussually is - at least from my experience) - it leaves you feeling content and satisfied - HAPPY!!!! - for yourself - and for being able to provide pleasure to others - etc. If we all wwere having more sex I think we wouldn't be going out and doing devient stuff...like starting wars...or being nasty to others in general - or worse....(just my opinion of course) Important note for our younger readers: Sexual relations with others is also a serious business and ussually/always has consequences of some sort (not always negative mind you) - so do not take having sex with another lightly. Think it through and get advice from a knowledgeble grown up whom you can trust. Realy there can be an awful lot of heartache and worse if not handled properly...and don't just do it because of peer pressure or such - if you aren't ready (or the situation is less then ideal) it likely will not turn out to be a positve experience...wait until it is right (for you). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Accelerated Posted October 3, 2002 Report Share Posted October 3, 2002 quote:How do YOU know that Armenian Christianity has remained constant for 1700 years? Were you there 1700 years ago?And were YOU there!? And no, your bathtub filled with hot water isnt a time machine.... Tigran, I'd save my breath if I were you.... Teacher, Are you sure your not stoned (ie. on pot), because you seem to be LOLing every second line. Shouldnt smoke pot every time you come to this forum mate, or you will end up with fewer functioning brain cells than the pitiful number you currently have. [ October 02, 2002, 08:07 PM: Message edited by: Accelerated ] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TigrannesIII Posted October 3, 2002 Report Share Posted October 3, 2002 THOTH, You're on something. I'm through with you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sen_Vahan Posted October 3, 2002 Report Share Posted October 3, 2002 "Vahan jan, I understand that it was(or actually I should say is important) to Armenians and maybe the Chinese and half the population of the world, my question is why? Why is it so important." Azat, One can as well ask why it was important to create such a thing as the family. Why people decided to create the institution of the family some time in their history?Why do family values exist in all the societies? And what is being discussed here is also a family value in some countries.(by the way as you said for the half of the world)It is hard to find the origin of this tradition of virginity (it's not christian and not muslim) and post your ideas if you have some I would be glad to discuss.What I am thinking is that "virginity of the soul is necessary"(Nietzsche) but one cannot take two things apart - the soul and the physiology. And probably the virginity of these two things makes the relations of two persons stronger,more romantic,dedicated.(thinking about the origin)If one can keep virginity before the marriage that's great but if preserving it brings to sins,suffering and pain then he/she should not try to keep it.(my opinion)Vahan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sip Posted October 3, 2002 Report Share Posted October 3, 2002 quote:Originally posted by Accelerated:And were YOU there!? And no, your bathtub filled with hot water isnt a time machine....How about YOU? were YOU there? Your puny WRX can get NO WHERE NEAR the speed of light therefore, it is NOT a time machine either. By the way, would you have any real thoughts on the subject or would you just like to continue the Thoth bashing? ... or is that your way of hitting on him ... common, we all know you have a big crush on him Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sip Posted October 3, 2002 Report Share Posted October 3, 2002 quote:Originally posted by Azat:...Nairi and I use PMs only to exchange pictures. Hmmmm ... Azat? I didn't know you got pms quote:Originally posted by TigrannesIII:...and it's 2 computers (not just 1) and some phone linesSun would disagree. Their claim is that "the network IS the computer". I have to say I agree with them. But seriously dude ... I got some strange Arthur flashbacks after reading some of the replies. quote:Originally posted by TigrannesIII:A girl who sleeps around most likely does it because she has no self-respect.Here's my main problem with what you said Tigrannes3. You seem to have this binary view on the subject. A girl is either a virgin or a slut. As much as I love simplicity and such binary division between things, I have come to learn that real life doesn't work like that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TigrannesIII Posted October 3, 2002 Report Share Posted October 3, 2002 sorry about the Artur flashbacks, but the guy had alot of good points, he just didnt know how to go about it. then again, i'm not too good at communication either. oh well. two PC's, does that still make one computer? ah you're the computer guy.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Accelerated Posted October 3, 2002 Report Share Posted October 3, 2002 quote:How about YOU? were YOU there? No I wasnt, but I'd take the word of the Church over Hagarags anyday... quote:Your puny WRX can get NO WHERE NEAR the speed of light therefore, it is NOT a time machine either.Yeah, thats true, but its still faster than hagarags bathtub, and it corners better . quote:By the way, would you have any real thoughts on the subject or would you just like to continue the Thoth bashing?I would like to continue with the Teacher bashing... quote:or is that your way of hitting on him ... common, we all know you have a big crush on himYaah, what can I say, I love the guy, he is my idol, every night I go to bed with his infinite wisdom (expressed on this forum) tingling my soul, if only I were a women (or he was gay)....LMAO Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TigrannesIII Posted October 3, 2002 Report Share Posted October 3, 2002 i know what you mean, with the black/white, i sometimes wonder if the girl just made a mistake and regrets it, but still- she put herself in those circumstances. and in case anyone wondered, rape doesn't count against the girl at all (except maybe the ones who walk around flaunting it and working it, especially late at nite). any rapist should be castrated, i think that's a little harsher than death. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sip Posted October 3, 2002 Report Share Posted October 3, 2002 Ok so what if we make the question a bit more difficult. What about a woman that was married (had sex) and is either divorced or widowed. What about her? She is obviously not a virgin anymore... is she maybe still good enough for Tigrannes? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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