Marrying a Virgin?

[nairi]

The fact that domestic violence, "family honor" homicide, and ostracism are not treated as serious human rights' violations, but rather, are dismissed as "personal issues", proves how hypocritical many Armenians are.

[MJ]

Wow! That was a penetrating thought...

[Accelerated]

MJ,

 

Dont know about Western Europe, but definettly all English speaking countries (Britain, USA, Aust etc.)

 

Yeah, it is a bit of a problem, when you get to 21 all the 'good ones' seem to be taken . Like I was at an engagement last night and there was this hottie there. Anyhow after spending a bit of time with her (and getting a photo of her stitting on my lap ), I found out from the host that she was 'taken'. Just lost all motivation after that and instead got obscenelly drunk and still had a good time .

 

This morning though, I was cursing myself for at least not giving her my number, and I cant get her out of my mind.....its like torture

 

[ October 04, 2002, 07:19 PM: Message edited by: Accelerated ]

[MJ]

Is that all you don't know about?

[MJ]

Is that all you don't know about?

[THOTH]

quote:

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Originally posted by Accelerated:

all the 'good ones' seem to be taken . Like I was at an engagement last night and there was this hottie there. Anyhow after spending a bit of time with her (and getting a photo of her stitting on my lap ), I found out from the host that she was 'taken'.

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First mistake - assuming that the hot/hottest loking gals are either the best time (short term) or best partners (long term) - I think this is ussually not the cae on both counts...So don't waste your time with these gals (unless of course they show interest in you - always nice) - instad make conversation with all - and if you are lucky you will hit the right wavelength with one (or perhaps more) and here you are likely to have the most luck...and looks really aren't all that important - within reason of course...they really aren't...(and if you think they are I believe that your priorities are not ideal...)

 

quote:

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Originally posted by Accelerated:

This morning though, I was cursing myself for at least not giving her my number, and I cant get her out of my mind.....its like torture

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Wrong (2nd mistake) - if already "taken" your number would just have been thrown away....you needed to really make an impression if you were to have any chance at all...perhaps a kiss and caress (if your good...and not necessarily on the lips), and that certain look/attitude (yeah babe - I know my stuff and your missing out by not taking advantage...etc) or some other spontanious gesture - surprise her - and be foreword - make it clear that you want it/her and that you know what your about...or even, perhaps, a direct proposition...of course much depends on the circumstances (ie - how much she has had to drink...LOL)

[Sip]

Hey Jug, I worry about you. I thought you were into alcohol, cars, and then chicks... what happened dude? Doesn't sound like the Jug I know.

 

Don't worry though ... been there, done that. Actually, not really. I am only saying it to make you feel better.

[Accelerated]

Well, the other guys didnt really think she was 'hot', just good/ok looking...I was the only one to have blown my gasket over her...LOL

 

It was a relativelly small engagement, there were only like 2 or 3 other possibilities and they were either taken or ugly or both.

 

Incidently...LOL...one of the guys sitting at my table told me that once he banged a 49 year old (he is 20)...i was speechless

 

Yeah, this is the crux of the problem, Im not good at making good first impressions....and not courageous enough, I guess its experience. And when I found out she was 'taken', I just went "F@#% this, Im just gonna get p!ssed"

 

yeah well, alcohol isnt really a substitute for sex, like it is for petrol...

 

Anyhow toward the end of the night some of the guys were so hammered, that on one of my regular visits to the toilet, I caught three of them flashing their lists to each other....LOL. I decided not to intervene in their 'ritual' and promptly unloaded my baggage in the neighbouring female toilets.....

 

[ October 04, 2002, 11:41 PM: Message edited by: Accelerated ]

[Harut]

just to make the discusion even more juicy and some people even more paranoic....

 

why should women have the same rights (by law or by social traditions)?

don't men deserve more rights and prevelegies than women?

[Harut]

to those of modern mentality.

 

imagine this...

in a couple of years we learn that in, let's say, France people started appearing in public totaled naked, because they think that it is the most natural way of life.

they justify it by uncomprehendable [to us] explanations that it is very natural to show off your body parts, it is the most democratic way of life letting people express themselves, there is nothing wrong letting other people enjoy your looks and vis versa, blah blah blah....

 

now, what kind of impact would that have on you?

 

and then, we learn that some people in US also started practicing that way of life.

you get worried (maybe not, i don't know).

then, few days later, you see your doughter/sister just about to exit the house totally naked.

 

now, what kind of impact would that have on you?

 

and then, you start to make a conversation with her. and she responses that it is her life, and she does howevery she finds it to be the best for her. and she thinks this is the best way for her to express herself and the best way to satisfy her natural needs of showing off her body.

 

now, what kind of impact would that have on you?

 

and, what would you do then? just let her go, because that is what makes her happy?

[Accelerated]

Harut, bro I think you should run and hide under a rock for a few weeks, otherwise this mob might lynch you.

[Sip]

Harut, there is a natural "problem" with males being naked. As soon as a good looking woman walks by, all the lists are going to get longer and make a completely awkward situation. So here's my solution:

 

Naked Ladies: OK

Naked Men: NOT OK

 

Problem solved! Everyone happy.

[Accelerated]

LOL,

 

The other day I was watching a documentary on the aboriginies living in the Amazon....they were all completelly naked, makes you wonder how the men control themselves...LOL. I guess they are just used to seeing each other naked, or somethin.

[Harut]

we don't find appropriate when women/girls show off their brests in the public (or do we?).

but just think... only some 500 years ago people felt the same way when women showed off their ears, their legs, ...

 

now, imagine what would happen (the paranoia, the anger, the confussion, the way people would respond...) if suddenly some people from some distant land came and said that women should be allow to wear bikinis and go to beaches.

 

do you now see what is happening among people who never were expossed to the idea of having sex before marriage, and that being considered ok?

 

people/societies put finite line between what is appropriate and what is not. they don't accept it very easily when someone comes and says "you know what, we think the line should be up here not down there"

 

we say people evolve, moving the line up and down to adjust. correct. but it's wrong to push people to evolve faster than the natural pace. it would harm the society. it would put the society in the danger of losing its integrity, its values, everything they believe in, everything they've got.

we don't go to the jugles of amoson and say to the people living there "ok, stop acting foolish. stop making that sily hole in your lips. put down that axe. wear some suit and start making some investments in the market."

 

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i'll just stop here. the bikinis and the wild sense of the imaginary France are messing up my thoughts. just think, the surrface that bikinis cover are getting smaller and smaller. does that mean we are moving towards the imaginary France? now that would be cool.

 

[ October 04, 2002, 11:56 PM: Message edited by: Harut ]

[nairi]

Again you guys are turning a human rights' issue into a personal one, by blaming the West.

 

Yes, everyone should have the right to do as they like when it comes to sex, AS LONG AS it does not harm anyone else.

 

I have a second cousin, born and raised in Armenia, virgin until marriage, and yet persecuted by her father, until today, for allowing her husband to divorce her. Not only has she been ostracized from the community for being a lousy wife (simply because she was found boring by her husband; not because she had an affair), her father is still after killing her AND her child, whom he considers a bastard since the husband left.

 

Do you call this normal? Acceptable perhaps? ARMENIAN??

 

I don't understand how some of you can compare walking in the streets naked with KILLING people?

 

Nvard, with your analogy in mind, what's the point of discussing anything?

[nairi]

Then why is it that we allowed the Ottomans to push us into becoming cruel, but we refuse to reverse the situation now that we are free and independent?

[Accelerated]

nairi,

 

First I thought I shouldnt reply, but then I decided to repost your stuff, maybe if you re-read your material you will realise how absurd it is.....

 

If you still dont get it, I think the only solution for you is going to be the cell with hagarag.....

[nairi]

Accelerated, only hypocrites find my arguments absurd.

 

As for Hagarag: please, FOR ONCE, leave Hagarag out of this!

[THOTH]

Whats your point here? I see nothing wrong with this at all. Whats wrong with nudity? Who does it hurt? etc

 

Of course its not likely to quite come to this (just yet) because too many of us - like yourself - actually see that there is some problem with your scenario...ie have not yet matured beyond some of our primative taboos & the like...IMO

 

quote:

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Originally posted by Harut:

to those of modern mentality.

 

imagine this...

in a couple of years we learn that in, let's say, France people started appearing in public totaled naked, because they think that it is the most natural way of life.

they justify it by uncomprehendable [to us] explanations that it is very natural to show off your body parts, it is the most democratic way of life letting people express themselves, there is nothing wrong letting other people enjoy your looks and vis versa, blah blah blah....

 

now, what kind of impact would that have on you?

 

and then, we learn that some people in US also started practicing that way of life.

you get worried (maybe not, i don't know).

then, few days later, you see your doughter/sister just about to exit the house totally naked.

 

now, what kind of impact would that have on you?

 

and then, you start to make a conversation with her. and she responses that it is her life, and she does howevery she finds it to be the best for her. and she thinks this is the best way for her to express herself and the best way to satisfy her natural needs of showing off her body.

 

now, what kind of impact would that have on you?

 

and, what would you do then? just let her go, because that is what makes her happy?

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[THOTH]

quote:

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Originally posted by Harut:

we say people evolve, moving the line up and down to adjust. correct. but it's wrong to push people to evolve faster than the natural pace. it would harm the society. it would put the society in the danger of losing its integrity, its values, everything they believe in, everything they've got.

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Yes i see your argument...its the 1860s - my how can we ask all those SOutherners to give up slavery - it will just mess up everything for them - "it would put the society in the danger of losing its integrity, its values, everything they believe in, everything they've got." etc

 

Remember all of therse arguments that I and others have been making have not been so much directed at things in "the old country" - but are largely responsive to charges by young ultra conservative Armenians (from the West) - who are attacking accepted Weatern ways...

 

quote:

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Originally posted by Harut:

we don't go to the jugles of amoson and say to the people living there "ok, stop acting foolish. stop making that sily hole in your lips. put down that axe. wear some suit and start making some investments in the market."

 

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Well this certainly has been done...and its wrong of course. Funny thing how it ussually has been Christian groups trying to impose their ways on others and claiming that anything but their way is Satanisitc and such. So who is the primative I ask?

 

[ October 05, 2002, 11:40 AM: Message edited by: THOTH ]

[Nvard]

People,

don't you get sick of topics like this!!!!

Everyone will still do or think what he/she did before.

[Sip]

I really hope you are wrong. I am actually hoping women start walking naked on the streets. Hey, I can hope, can't I?

[Accelerated]

Whats the matter? Dont like juicy.....?

[Accelerated]

If that ever happens the make-up industry might rival the oil-producers....LOL

[Accelerated]

THOTH,

 

From your posts I think it fair to conclude that you consider yourself an Armenian (to a certain degree).

 

But you (and some others) advocate that we should give up our religion, our culture, our way of life....everything that differentiates us from other nations. If that were ever to happen we as a nation will cease to exist and just become a tiny part of a global mass with no apparent direction, no morals, no future, nothing....