phantom22 Posted May 28, 2007 Report Share Posted May 28, 2007 It is well accepted that there are years of Jesus' life that are a "mystery." Well, in the East there is a record of a St. Issa who studied with the masters there. You will not find the truth in the Bible. It is a compilation of works. Each book was written by an individual. The leaders of the church hierarchy decided which book to include and which to leave out. You have to look at the texts that were not included, the apocrypha and the so-called heretical texts unearthed in Egypt 60 years ago to distill the essence of Jesus. Do not take any one book as gospel. Read them all and then make your own conclusions. Jesus stated "Seek, seek and you shall find." That didn't mean going to church on Sundays and being fed the pablum that our priests and ministers hand us. Phantom22 You know, Anoushik did put her finger on the spot , when she said that I must have gone through a spiritual struggle. And part of that has to do with my struggle with Christianity . I was never able to understand the importance of going to Church , or how people felt "good" about going to Church services / mass. (Most of my experience has been with Evangelical Church , though I used to go to Orthodox Church , the one in Antelias ,with my parents on Dzaghgazart and April 24 ) . I know that you can be Christian without going to Church . They say there is a Gospel in which Jesus said that the kingdom of God is not in buildings , or something like that. I am not sure if I can really explain my 'story' with Christianity.... it's not that it did not appeal to me, it's just that I felt so distant from it. And it's not like I didn't try to believe... It's just that it's so ... passive.. And can I ask another question? Why do Protestants/Evangelicals emphasize the Old Testament so much ? I mean, from what I know, the Jews place a lot of emphasis on the Psalms, but why the Protestants ??? We used to learn the Psalms (Saghmos) by heart.... I STILL remember which psalm #23 is, even though I have not opened the Bible in years... ... Տէրը իմ հովիւս է !!! And???? Jesus studied in the east??? Studied what??? And how did he go to the east ?? This isn't in the Bible , is it ???? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arpa Posted May 28, 2007 Report Share Posted May 28, 2007 (edited) Arpa No, I do not need psychiatric attention. Why is it that just because I am 'different' than the rest of Armenians I need psychiatric help? Every person wants to 'belong' (unless one has chosen to live as a hermit ) , and so what is wrong if I want to also 'belong' , and to try to convince people that I am not all of a sudden a different person than I used to be? We Armenians have also struggled to maintain our language and our ethnicity and not just our religion, but why do people accept mixed marriage? I know that some would even accept marriage with blacks , i know some BLACK Armenians and they are not outcasts the way I am . Sure , skin color is not the same as religion , but we are talking here about the choices of their father / mother in getting married to a black person. Anyway , I respect that you disagree with me. I hope one day you will change your mind. Is ALLAhu AKBAR or whatever the F Armenian? Why does one have to convert to that disgusting religion of that cuntշ to F her "kus" cunt պուց? Why can't she convert to our "boots"? You think we don't know that "kus-ummo" marqounats/ buts qounats, MF language of allah u /khara u akbar language? Edited May 28, 2007 by Arpa Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phantom22 Posted May 28, 2007 Report Share Posted May 28, 2007 Arpa, Please get your ass out of the gutter!!!!!! and discuss this issue like an honorable person. Is ALLAhu AKBAR or whatever the F Armenian? Why does one have to convert to that disgusting religion of that cunt to F her? Why can't she convert to our "boots"? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boghos Posted May 28, 2007 Report Share Posted May 28, 2007 (edited) Boghos I have not become assimilated... As for using the sword , I do not think you have a deep understanding of what "Jihad" is , and think that if any Muslm, anywhere in the world, declares "Jihad" , that every single Muslim must take up a sword and kill.. that is the kids' version of it. no , scratch that, that is the imaginary version of it. in reality it has nothing to do with that. i will add more on this point when i get home... Of course you have assimilated.Your friends are Muslim Arabs,you are Muslim for heaven´s sake, you´ll never be accepted in the Armenian community and your children will be the object of ridicule if they go to an Armenian school, and rightly so. If as a Muslim you are required to take the sword it is not up to you to decide whether you´ll kill an Armenian or not.This was my point. You may sound sure of everything you say but that is not more than the clearest example of how unsure about everything you are.Please, take Yervant´s advice and get some sense into your head. Edited May 28, 2007 by Boghos Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sassun Posted May 28, 2007 Author Report Share Posted May 28, 2007 Is ALLAhu AKBAR or whatever the F Armenian? No, it is not. But I bet you already knew that. Look, I can speak ARMENIAN. Only that I pray in Arabic. So you can pray in Chinese if you want that won't make you any less Armenian, would it ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sip Posted May 28, 2007 Report Share Posted May 28, 2007 Only that I pray in Arabic. Is Arabic a superior language to Armenian? Or does Allah speak and understand Arabic and not Armenian? See it's little rediculous things like that that disturb me greatly about what you really consider "important" as far as your faith and beliefs are concerned. You are so set on minute irrelevant details that you are missing the big picture. It is absolutely insulting to have someone say the one true creator speaks (or even prefers) a specific language or act (like the washing of the hands after farting thing we discussed earlier). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sassun Posted May 28, 2007 Author Report Share Posted May 28, 2007 Of course you have assimilated.Your friends are Muslim Arabs,you are Muslim for heaven´s sake, you´ll never be accepted in the Armenian community and your children will be the object of ridicule if they go to an Armenian school, and rightly so. Fine. Whatever. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sip Posted May 28, 2007 Report Share Posted May 28, 2007 (edited) Of course you have assimilated.Your friends are Muslim Arabs,you are Muslim for heaven´s sake .... And I fully agree. Sassun, at least be able to admit that you have assimilated. Otherwise, if you don't see this simple truth, then you are REALLY lost. As I have said, I think you are still Armenian but your children will not be. Edited May 28, 2007 by Sip Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boghos Posted May 28, 2007 Report Share Posted May 28, 2007 Is Arabic a superior language to Armenian? Or does Allah speak and understand Arabic and not Armenian? It is absolutely insulting to have someone say the one true creator speaks (or even prefers) a specific language or act (like the washing of the hands after farting thing we discussed earlier). Sorry, but: If you fart in Arabic you don´t have to wash your hands. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sassun Posted May 28, 2007 Author Report Share Posted May 28, 2007 Is Arabic a superior language to Armenian? Or does Allah speak and understand Arabic and not Armenian? See it's little rediculous things like that that disturb me greatly about what you really consider "important" as far as your faith and beliefs are concerned. You are so set on minute irrelevant details that you are missing the big picture. It is absolutely insulting to have someone say the one true creator speaks (or even prefers) a specific language or act (like the washing of the hands after farting thing we discussed earlier). Not really, it is just that it was originally in Arabic and it is very important to preserve the Qur'an from "tahrif" / forgery (changing words, wrong translations , out of context translations, etc.) , which many have tried to do in transmitting the Qur'an, even in Arabic . The threat is even greater if you translate it into another language. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arpa Posted May 28, 2007 Report Share Posted May 28, 2007 (edited) No, it is not. But I bet you already knew that. Look, I can speak ARMENIAN. Only that I pray in Arabic. So you can pray in Chinese if you want that won't make you any less Armenian, would it ? Yes, please do pray in Arabic, and see if you will be welcome in any Armenian communty, be they Apostlolic, Catholic, Enangelical, Jehovah or Mormon, not to mention Pagan or Budhist? Just remember that your ancestors were slaughtered with the recital of "bismillah", ""Allahu akbar" and "La ilahu ill allah". "bismulah rahman ulrahim"? In the name of the merciful of all merciful? Wher was that mercy on April 24, 19i5? DREAM ON! Maybe you will also inherit those 72 virgins waiting for your circumcised phallus with thier legs spread eagle. Edited May 28, 2007 by Arpa Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phantom22 Posted May 28, 2007 Report Share Posted May 28, 2007 One does not have to become a Moslem to be ridiculed in the Armenian community. One only has to become more prosperous, more attractive or more educated for the vilification to begin. I remember well the filthy things that were said about the greatest Armenian benefactor family in our community by other envious Armenians. Of course you have assimilated.Your friends are Muslim Arabs,you are Muslim for heaven´s sake, you´ll never be accepted in the Armenian community and your children will be the object of ridicule if they go to an Armenian school, and rightly so.If as a Muslim you are required to take the sword it is not up to you to decide whether you´ll kill an Armenian or not.This was my point. You may sound sure of everything you say but that is not more than the clearest example of how unsure about everything you are.Please, take Yervant´s advice and get some sense into your head. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phantom22 Posted May 28, 2007 Report Share Posted May 28, 2007 Arpa, you have missed your calling in life. You belong on "Saturday Night Live." !!!!!!!!! Yes, please do pray in Arabic, and see if you will be welcome in any Armenian communty, be they Apostlolic, Catholic, Enangelical, Jehovah or Mormon, not to mention Pagan or Budhist? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sassun Posted May 28, 2007 Author Report Share Posted May 28, 2007 And I fully agree. Sassun, at least be able to admit that you have assimilated. Otherwise, if you don't see this simple truth, then you are REALLY lost. As I have said, I think you are still Armenian but your children will not be. How can I be Armenian and at the same time be assimilated? Why isn't the same said about mixed marriages? As far as I can see , their children are far more assimilated than I am and my children will be... And if they will mock my children in Armenian school, to hell with them. They want to convince themselves that I have assimilated, and that my children will be assimilated, because they do not want to feel guilty about pushing someone like me away. I will tell you what: it is not I who is guilty in this whole episode, and it is not I who is pushing people away. Those who push away people who otherwise fully identify as Armenians, are the ones who are encouraging assimilation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arpa Posted May 28, 2007 Report Share Posted May 28, 2007 (edited) Arpa, you have missed your calling in life. You belong on "Saturday Night Live." !!!!!!!!! You got it right! I am the reincarnation of Hacob Baronian. Please search and find who he is/was. Do you know what sarcasm is? Or maybe you should learn Armnian to know what ergitsanq/երգիծանք is. In case you didn't know my real name is Alfred E. Newman, Here is my portrait.My choice for prdident. He beats that a-Bush with hands down. http://haftegi.7rooz.com/images/Alfred%20E...uman%20milk.jpg Edited May 28, 2007 by Arpa Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sassun Posted May 28, 2007 Author Report Share Posted May 28, 2007 You got it right! I am the reincarnation of Hacob Baronian. Please search and find who he is/was. Do you know what sarcasm is? Arpa If Hagop Baronian used the kind of language you are using, he would not have been taught in schools. Hagop Baronian is amazing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boghos Posted May 28, 2007 Report Share Posted May 28, 2007 How can I be Armenian and at the same time be assimilated? Why isn't the same said about mixed marriages? As far as I can see , their children are far more assimilated than I am and my children will be... And if they will mock my children in Armenian school, to hell with them. They want to convince themselves that I have assimilated, and that my children will be assimilated, because they do not want to feel guilty about pushing someone like me away. I will tell you what: it is not I who is guilty in this whole episode, and it is not I who is pushing people away. Those who push away people who otherwise fully identify as Armenians, are the ones who are encouraging assimilation. One thing is encouraging assimilation, the other is throwing yourself from a precipice.Dear Sassun, you are clearly a nice and intelligent fellow, don´t try to scratch your left ear with your right hand. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boghos Posted May 28, 2007 Report Share Posted May 28, 2007 You got it right! I am the reincarnation of Hacob Baronian. Please search and find who he is/was. Do you know what sarcasm is? Or maybe you should learn Armnian to know what ergitsanq/երգիծանք is. Dear Arpa, Not even Baronian could have conceived of a character like hagarag. But if he did what would the book be called? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phantom22 Posted May 28, 2007 Report Share Posted May 28, 2007 My great-grandfather's nemesis. Hagop Baronian (1843-1891) was an influential Armenian writer, satirist, educator, and social figure in the 19th century. Widely acknowledged as the greatest Armenian satirist of all time, closely followed by Yervant Odian. Baronian's most famous work was the book Medzabadiv Mouratsganner ("Honorable Beggars"), which parodies the almost beggar-like state of writers and publishers in that period. Baronian was also known for his biting, sarcastic criticisms of leading figures in the Armenian social circles of Istanbul; some of these critical comments appear in his book Azkayin Chocher ("National Bigshots"). Unfortunately, he himself suffered the same fate as the characters in Medzabadiv Mouratsganner, and ended up dying penniless on the streets of Istanbul. You got it right! I am the reincarnation of Hacob Baronian. Please search and find who he is/was. Do you know what sarcasm is? Or maybe you should learn Armnian to know what ergitsanq/երգիծանք is. Hi Alfred! http://www.google.com/search?source=ig&...G=Google+Search Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sip Posted May 28, 2007 Report Share Posted May 28, 2007 ,... you fart in Arabic ... Pinto beans usually do the trick I think it's safe to say this thread has run it's course. Sassun, how can you possibly expect people to embrace you when you say you have no good "Armenian" friends, you can't talk to them, they are all pushing you away (which means you give them reasons to push you away -- justified or not), that somehow Arabic is able to capture the true meanings of what you believe (and not Armenian), etc etc etc. It is very difficult to take you seriously about wanting to be "Armenian" anymore. I also HIGHLY doubt your children will learn any Armenian, especially if your wife is not Armenian. Unless by some straaaaaaange turn of events you find an "Armenian" women the same as yourself that is muslim and prays in Arabic and has Arabic friends while she is still "Armenian". Ok I got a head ache. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arpa Posted May 28, 2007 Report Share Posted May 28, 2007 (edited) Arpa If Hagop Baronian used the kind of language you are using, he would not have been taught in schools. Hagop Baronian is amazing. I am glad you you admit that. Please search and find our other god/astouats/allah Hacob Baronian in that damn "bismillah" trash/zibil/zbale. You don't know who our gods are? They are not Astouats or Allah. They are Varuzhan, Siamanto, Sevak, Terian, Tourian and Baronian, and amillion of others. Edited May 28, 2007 by Arpa Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sassun Posted May 28, 2007 Author Report Share Posted May 28, 2007 Sip I want to have Armenian friends. I want to be part of the Armenian community. I want to be able to go to the April 24 marches. Isn't that enough? Or do you think of me as a criminal and so I do not deserve to be embraced for wanting all these things? You automatically embrace those who do not care about any of this, based on the fact that they are non-Muslim Armenians. Even the ones who have no clue about anything Armenian, nor do they care, you automatically accept them and not only do you accept them , you encourage them to explore their Armenianness. Yes, I guess this thread has run its course, and I got the answer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arpa Posted May 28, 2007 Report Share Posted May 28, 2007 (edited) Sip I want to have Armenian friends. I want to be part of the Armenian community. I want to be able to go to the April 24 marches. How? Holding the emblrm of the crescent or the sword and palm up figure here? Has anyone before told you that you are one confused soul? Torn between Metsarents and Mohammed?(notice the two M-s). Then, let me be the first. Who is preventing you from having shiite friends? We, here in America have Cathloic Friends, Muslim Friends, Methodist and even Mormon friends. Unless you think to be accepted by you shiite/shity frineds is basd on how you pray, be it Astouats or Allah. Do you want to hear what I have to say? Neek them/f* them. Edited May 28, 2007 by Arpa Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boghos Posted May 28, 2007 Report Share Posted May 28, 2007 Here Sassun: http://eng.akparti.org.tr/english/index.html these are your friends. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arpa Posted May 28, 2007 Report Share Posted May 28, 2007 (edited) Hey Sassun, how come your avatar is still the "yeraguyn". What's the matter? Have you forgotten the colors of Mohammed, green with the emblem of the sword? Unless, of coure you hope that some day our tricilor wiill be named "ahmar, nawi wa burtugali. Edited May 28, 2007 by Arpa Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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