Verginne Posted July 30, 2006 Report Share Posted July 30, 2006 (edited) this is not about taking sides or making moral judgments...more about the degree of passion and zeal than Armenians AS A WHOLE put into this conflict... I think that's all hovan was trying to say. You are WRONG, this is most decidedly about making moral judgments. We all know about the jewish role in the Armenian Genocide and the denials. We also know that Lebanese people gave shelter to Armenians and many Armenians either still live in Lebanon or have ties there. It's about time to return some gratitude to those people if nothing else, if one is incapable of taking sides as a result of a moral judgment. Edited July 30, 2006 by Verginne Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hovan Posted July 30, 2006 Report Share Posted July 30, 2006 my grandmother,my fathers mother, was from VAN, the turks sold her to a rich jewish family as a slave. as me if i like jews. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kakachik77 Posted July 31, 2006 Report Share Posted July 31, 2006 hey hovan, I am vanetsi too Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hovan Posted July 31, 2006 Report Share Posted July 31, 2006 my grand father told me when i was a boy that all armenians are cousins. when you think about it, that just might be true. im originally from providence ri.....i remember as a kid driving to n.y. for some big a.y.f. dances....good to meet you...COUSIN!!!!!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kakachik77 Posted July 31, 2006 Report Share Posted July 31, 2006 my grand father told me when i was a boy that all armenians are cousins. when you think about it, that just might be true. im originally from providence ri.....i remember as a kid driving to n.y. for some big a.y.f. dances....good to meet you...COUSIN!!!!!!!!! good to meet you too, cousin once I met a man in Philly who told me about a "vanetsi club/group", if that does not exist anymore we should definately restart it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hovan Posted July 31, 2006 Report Share Posted July 31, 2006 kakachik, do you live in the city? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kakachik77 Posted July 31, 2006 Report Share Posted July 31, 2006 kakachik, do you live in the city? now i am manhattantsi Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hovan Posted July 31, 2006 Report Share Posted July 31, 2006 mid town thats the place...i have seen some of the most gorgeous women in the world there..........ahhhhhhhhhh.....its definatly not orlando florida.....anyway..i am surprised with all the jews and arabs in that city that nothing has happened so far...not that im wishing for it but i thought if anything would happen it would be in the city and not cali. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted July 31, 2006 Report Share Posted July 31, 2006 If you're interested in what the Armenians of Lebanon are doing in all of this, watch the videos here: http://www.aztagdaily.com/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arpa Posted July 31, 2006 Report Share Posted July 31, 2006 (edited) If you're interested in what the Armenians of Lebanon are doing in all of this, watch the videos here: http://www.aztagdaily.com/ Dave et al, please don’t respond to that bozo. He needs professional help, we are not qualified to administer. If he thinks this is all a laughing matter, can anyone see anyone laughing?, he belongs in a rubber room dressed in a straight jacket. Those videos are riveting and heart wrenching, specially when juxtaposed to the pictures of some forty slaughtered babies and women in Qana. I wish I could use such adjectives as wonderful etc. The only adjective I can think of is “nice”. No, the pictures are not nice, but it is nice of Yerevan to come to the help. I’ll let Jesus say it…. Matt.25 [35] For I was an hungred, and ye gave me meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me drink: I was a stranger, and ye took me in: [37] Then shall the righteous answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, and fed thee? or thirsty, and gave thee drink? [42] For I was an hungred, and ye gave me no meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me no drink: [44] Then shall they also answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, or athirst, or a stranger, or naked, or sick, or in prison, and did not minister unto thee? When we were refugees they took us in, when we were hungred they fed us, when we were thirsty in the Syrian deserts they gave us water. One good turn deserves another.. Edited July 31, 2006 by Arpa Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hovan Posted July 31, 2006 Report Share Posted July 31, 2006 ya know of all the ranting and raving youve done this is the first time youve made sense. this explains everything.maybe you think i belong in a rubber room but all i was looking for was an explainatiion of how you see this war and why you side with the moslems...kudos to you..you took a deep breath and came across with something plain and simple and it makes a lot of sense. dave, good site by the way. and thank you arpa for not going off on some rant,rather you took a deep breath and said something simple and from your heart. i wasnt looking for propaganda i can get all that crap from the news. my view point has changed.....thanks from the rubber room.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Verginne Posted August 1, 2006 Report Share Posted August 1, 2006 ya know of all the ranting and raving youve done this is the first time youve made sense. this explains everything.maybe you think i belong in a rubber room but all i was looking for was an explainatiion of how you see this war and why you side with the moslems...kudos to you..you took a deep breath and came across with something plain and simple and it makes a lot of sense. dave, good site by the way. and thank you arpa for not going off on some rant,rather you took a deep breath and said something simple and from your heart. i wasnt looking for propaganda i can get all that crap from the news. my view point has changed.....thanks from the rubber room.... So how has your viewpoint changed and are you ready to edumacate those redneck hillbilly inbreds better now??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hovan Posted August 1, 2006 Report Share Posted August 1, 2006 well, in regards to lebanon and the relations the armenians have with the arabs. shes right, its their country and fellow citizens. they were given sanctuary when times were very difficult and as citizens who live together in peace with moslems they need to support each other. i still have a bit of a problem with the hezbolla thing, after all they did take credit for killing a number of americans, some 300 or so. i think if it was the lebanese army fighting this war i would be cheering for them. its going to take me some time to sort all of this out. they do need someone to defend them i would have even felt better if syrias army came to their aid. you know a real army that hasnt attacked and killed americans. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sassun Posted August 2, 2006 Report Share Posted August 2, 2006 Olmert's ingenious plan http://meastpolitics.wordpress.com/2006/08...ingenious-plan/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hovan Posted August 2, 2006 Report Share Posted August 2, 2006 olmert is an idiot Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Verginne Posted August 2, 2006 Report Share Posted August 2, 2006 Sassun, We need you to keep giving us some reports about what's going on and being said over there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arpa Posted August 2, 2006 Report Share Posted August 2, 2006 (edited) If I were a conspirationist… Oh yeah! I would have said that this whole drama was written with one scene in mind. To suck Syria and Iran into the picture. It is no secret that the West in genera and the US in particular has been itching and searching for the smallest provocation to justify attacks on Damascus and Tehran. So far, no matter how hard they have tried, no matter how many ooopses!! Israel has committed against Syria, i.e bombing the main highway etc. they may not yet found that definitive excuse to proceed towards Damascus. What Israel is doing is similar to a jilted lover who would use physical threats, harassment and stalking to win the heart of their obsession… If Israel even thinks that once they have destroyed hisbolla and in the process reduce Lebanon to dust, from then on all the neighbors in the region will love them. If they think they can (re) write that book of fables and sell billions of copies once again…. dream on! When is the last time forced love lasted? Is it like the love between Armenians and Turks? Edited August 2, 2006 by Arpa Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sassun Posted August 2, 2006 Report Share Posted August 2, 2006 LOL... the Israelis landed in Ba'albak in a commando raid, and kidnapped 6 civilians, then released one because he was too young (14 years old). I don't know if it was a coincidence or what, but one of the kidnapped civilians is named HASSAN DEEB NASRALLAH. Israel claims it has nabbed 5 "junior HezbAllah militants". hahahahaha.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Verginne Posted August 2, 2006 Report Share Posted August 2, 2006 Sassun, What do you know about the United Phoenician Party? Are they the Maronites? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Verginne Posted August 2, 2006 Report Share Posted August 2, 2006 The War on Lebanon and the Battle for Oil By Michel Chossudovsky July 26, 2006 Is there a relationship between the bombing of Lebanon and the inauguration of the World's largest strategic pipeline, which will channel more than a million barrels of oil a day to Western markets? Virtually unnoticed, the inauguration of the Ceyhan-Tblisi-Baku (BTC) oil pipeline, which links the Caspian sea to the Eastern Mediterranean, took place on the 13th of July, at the very outset of the Israeli sponsored bombings of Lebanon. One day before the Israeli air strikes, the main partners and shareholders of the BTC pipeline project, including several heads of State and oil company executives were in attendance at the port of Ceyhan. They were then rushed off for an inauguration reception in Istanbul, hosted by Turkey's President Ahmet Necdet Sezer in the plush surroundings of the Зэraрan Palace. Also in attendance was British Petroleum's (BP) CEO, Lord Browne together with senior government officials from Britain, the US and Israel. BP leads the BTC pipeline consortium. Other major Western shareholders include Chevron, Conoco-Phillips, France's Total and Italy's ENI. (see Annex) Israel's Minister of Energy and Infrastructure Binyamin Ben-Eliezer was present at the venue together with a delegation of top Israeli oil officials. The BTC pipeline totally bypasses the territory of the Russian Federation. It transits through the former Soviet republics of Azerbaijan and Georgia, both of which have become US "protectorates", firmly integrated into a military alliance with the US and NATO. Moreover, both Azerbaijan and Georgia have longstanding military cooperation agreements with Israel. In 2005, Georgian companies received some $24 million in military contracts funded out of U.S. military assistance to Israel under the so-called "Foreign Military Financing (FMF) program". http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org.../states/GA.html Israel has a stake in the Azeri oil fields, from which it imports some twenty percent of its oil. The opening of the pipeline will substantially enhance Israeli oil imports from the Caspian sea basin. But there is another dimension which directly relates to the war on Lebanon. Whereas Russia has been weakened, Israel is slated to play a major strategic role in "protecting" the Eastern Mediterranean transport and pipeline corridors out of Ceyhan. Militarization of the Eastern Mediterranean The bombing of Lebanon is part of a carefully planned and coordinated military road map. The extension of the war into Syria and Iran has already been contemplated by US and Israeli military planners. This broader military agenda is intimately related to strategic oil and oil pipelines. It is supported by the Western oil giants which control the pipeline corridors. In the context of the war on Lebanon, it seeks Israeli territorial control over the East Mediterranean coastline. In this context, the BTC pipeline dominated by British Petroleum, has dramatically changed the geopolitics of the Eastern Mediterranean, which is now linked , through an energy corridor, to the Caspian sea basin: "[The BTC pipeline] considerably changes the status of the region's countries and cements a new pro-West alliance. Having taken the pipeline to the Mediterranean, Washington has practically set up a new bloc with Azerbaijan, Georgia, Turkey and Israel, " (Komerzant, Moscow, 14 July 2006) Israel is now part of the Anglo-American military axis, which serves the interests of the Western oil giants in the Middle East and Central Asia. While the official reports state that the BTC pipeline will "channel oil to Western markets", what is rarely acknowledged is that part of the oil from the Caspian sea would be directly channeled towards Israel. In this regard, an underwater Israeli-Turkish pipeline project has been envisaged which would link Ceyhan to the Israeli port of Ashkelon and from there through Israel's main pipeline system, to the Red Sea. The objective of Israel is not only to acquire Caspian sea oil for its own consumption needs but also to play a key role in re-exporting Caspian sea oil back to the Asian markets through the Red Sea port of Eilat. The strategic implications of this re-routing of Caspian sea oil are farreaching. In April 2006, Israel and Turkey announced plans for four underwater pipelines, which would bypass Syrian and Lebanese territory. "Turkey and Israel are negotiating the construction of a multi-million-dollar energy and water project that will transport water, electricity, natural gas and oil by pipelines to Israel, with the oil to be sent onward from Israel to the Far East, The new Turkish-Israeli proposal under discussion would see the transfer of water, electricity, natural gas and oil to Israel via four underwater pipelines. http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satell...icle%2FShowFull “Baku oil can be transported to Ashkelon via this new pipeline and to India and the Far East.[via the Red sea]" "Ceyhan and the Mediterranean port of Ashkelon are situated only 400 km apart. Oil can be transported to the city in tankers or via specially constructed under-water pipeline. From Ashkelon the oil can be pumped through already existing pipeline to the port of Eilat at the Red Sea; and from there it can be transported to India and other Asian countries in tankers. (REGNUM ) Water for Israel Also involved in this project is a pipeline to bring water to Israel, pumping water from upstream resources of the Tigris and Euphrates river system in Anatolia. This has been a long-run strategic objective of Israel to the detriment of Syria and Iraq. Israel's agenda with regard to water is supported by the military cooperation agreement between Tel Aviv and Ankara. The Re-routing of Central Asian Oil Diverting Central Asian oil and gas to the Eastern Mediterranean (under Israeli military protection), for re-export to Asia, serves to undermine the inter-Asian energy market, which is based on the development of direct pipeline corridors linking Central Asia and Russia to South Asia, China and the Far East. Ultimately, this design is intended to weaken Russia's role in Central Asia and cut off China from Central Asian oil resources. It is also intended to isolate Iran. Meanwhile, Israel has emerged as a new powerful player in the global energy market. War and Oil Pipelines Prior to the bombing of Lebanon, Israel and Turkey had announced the underwater pipeline routes, which bypassed Syria and Lebanon. These underwater pipeline routes did not overtly encroach on the territorial sovereignty of Lebanon and Syria. On the other hand, the development of alternative land based corridors (for oil and water) through Lebanon and Syria would require Israeli-Turkish territorial control over the Eastern Mediterranean coastline through Lebanon and Syria. The implementation of this project requires the militarisation of the East Mediterranean coastline, sea ways and land routes, extending from the port of Ceyhan across Syria and Lebanon to the Lebanese-Israeli border. Is this not one of the hidden objectives of the war on Lebanon? Open up a space which enables Israel to control a vast territory extending from the Lebanese border through Syria to Turkey. "The Long War" Israeli Prime minister Ehud Olmert has stated that the Israeli offensive against Lebanon would "last a very long time". Meanwhile, the US has speeded up weapons shipments to Israel. There are strategic objectives underlying the "Long War" which are tied to oil and oil pipelines. The air campaign against Lebanon is inextricably related to US-Israeli strategic objectives in the broader Middle East including Syria and Iran. In recent developments, Secretary of State Condoleeza Rice stated that the main purpose of her mission to the Middle East was not to push for a ceasefire in Lebanon, but rather to isolate Syria and Iran. (Daily Telegraph, 22 July 2006) At this particular juncture, the replenishing of Israeli stockpiles of US produced WMDs points to an escalation of the war both within and beyond the borders of Lebanon. http://www.globalresearch.ca/index....&articleId=2824 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hovan Posted August 2, 2006 Report Share Posted August 2, 2006 my 8 year old grandduaghter calls condi rice burnt pilaf head Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dianjan Posted August 2, 2006 Report Share Posted August 2, 2006 This might get me into trouble, but I can't keep my mouth shut any longer....I can't believe that many of you are pro Lebanon....Why??? Hezbollah is to blame for all that's happening. If they wouldn't be sending in suicide bombers into Israel, almost everyday, and then kidnapping their soldiers, this wouldn't have started. Also, how can you be for any nation, that sends their own to tear themselves into shreds, and then calls them heros, so that they can kill couple of Jews/Christians?? If I had to pick between Jews and Muslims, I would pick Jews without a second thought. I hate Muslims for all that they stand. Not only for AG, but for Azeri war, and for their dream of exterminating Jews and Christians. For their crazy beliefs and extrimist ideology. And trust me, God forbid, they will defeat Jews, they WILL come after Christians. How can you support a religion that caused 9/11, bombings in Moscow, Europe, and who could ever forget Beslan?? Israel is doing the only thing that it can... It needs to get rid of Hezbollah...Even though it's not going to rid world of Muslim extrimists, it's at least a start. And unfortunatelly, there are always casualties of war. And one more thing, there would be much less casualties on Lebanese side if Hezbollah wouldn't try to hide amongst regular people. They shoot Katyushas off residential building and shelters. They don't give a crap about their own, all they care is about killing others. And to all poor Armenians living in Muslim countries, I feel really bad for you. I pray that you are safe. But you chose to stay in a Muslim country, and now you're paying the price. I can't believe that Armenians didn't learn by now, that we're hated by muslims on the same level as Jews. How many families were shattered after the Pogroms in Baku?? Why are there Armenians still living in a muslim country?? I'm just shocked that any of you are pro Lebanon!! All muslims are crazy and need to be dealt with. In USA I met a Turkish girl, who as soon as found out that I'm Armenian, tried to prove to me that AG didn't happen, and that we're making it up. They're all the same, even if some keep it quite, they all hate US!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Verginne Posted August 2, 2006 Report Share Posted August 2, 2006 (edited) Boy, do you need an education dianjan. jews perpetrated, financed and participated in the Armenian Genocide. israel and the jewish lobbies are the best friends of turks and azeris and support them with all kinds of assistance, including intelligence, weapons, medical supplies and ammunition. They lead the charge in denials of the Armenian Genocide. The turks would be nowhere without their jewish friends. NO ARMENIAN should EVER support israel. Stay neutral if you must, but don't go supporting israel. MORE later when I have the time. Edited August 2, 2006 by Verginne Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dianjan Posted August 2, 2006 Report Share Posted August 2, 2006 Boy, do you need an education dianjan. jews perpetrated, financed and participated in the Armenian Genocide. israel and the jewish lobbies are the best friends of turks and azeris and support them with all kinds of assistance, including intelligence, weapons, medical supplies and ammunition. They lead the charge in denials of the Armenian Genocide. The turks would be nowhere without their jewish friends. NO ARMENIAN should EVER support israel. Stay neutral if you must, but don't go supporting israel. I will always support anyone that KILLS Muslims!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Verginne Posted August 2, 2006 Report Share Posted August 2, 2006 http://panarmenian.net/news/photos/19002.jpg Entire Lebanon Population Support Hezbollah 01.08.2006 17:27 GMT+04:00 /PanARMENIAN.Net/ The Armenian community of Lebanon, as the entire population of the country, believes that Hezbollah is an important part of the country population, which is represented in the Parliament and the Government, Head of Hay Dat Office, ARF Dashnaktsutyun Bureau member Kiro Manoyan told a PanARMENIAN.Net reporter. «Entire population of Lebanon support Hezbollah in response to unceasing bombardment of peaceful population by Israel. The Armenian community is a part of the country’s population as well,» Manoyan underscored. ! Reproduction in full or in part is prohibited without reference to «PanARMENIAN.Net». http://panarmenian.net/news/eng/?nid=19002 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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