aSoldier Posted December 7, 2005 Report Share Posted December 7, 2005 I just hope one day you "spritual/religious" people will open your eyes and master what I have already mastered. Don't knock what I have come to realize until you have experienced and mastered it yourself You mean, mastered our senses? We all did that when we were kids. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aSoldier Posted December 7, 2005 Report Share Posted December 7, 2005 This is a good explaination sSebB. You are right on target. Thankyou Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eloren Posted December 7, 2005 Report Share Posted December 7, 2005 Yes but it STILL doesn't make sense Sseb A GOOD person living a righteous life but NOT believing in God (so as you say, rejects him) cannot be Good, because he is rejecting him, no? Sip lives a good life maybe, but rejects God.. where is he going? A week in Hell and a week in Heaven? or Purgatory? Or maybe in a multiverse Your two answers contradict themselves, not logic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aSoldier Posted December 7, 2005 Report Share Posted December 7, 2005 Yes but it STILL doesn't make sense Sseb A GOOD person living a righteous life but NOT believing in God (so as you say, rejects him) cannot be Good, because he is rejecting him, no? Sip lives a good life maybe, but rejects God.. where is he going? A week in Hell and a week in Heaven? or Purgatory? Or maybe in a multiverse Your two answers contradict themselves, not logic. He is going to hell. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eloren Posted December 7, 2005 Report Share Posted December 7, 2005 Poor Sip Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sip Posted December 7, 2005 Report Share Posted December 7, 2005 You mean, mastered our senses? We all did that when we were kids. No I mean being able to tell the difference between imagination and reality. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sip Posted December 7, 2005 Report Share Posted December 7, 2005 Poor Sip Don't feel sorry for me! Either way, you're damned. Can you imagine how boring heaven will be? I've said this before that even an orgasm will start to feel like the worst torture after like 24 to 30 days straight. Now just imagine ANYTHING for eternity ... sheesh. At least I'll be with a lot more interesting souls in Hell. And Quebecker, I don't know about multi verse. That's my answer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aSoldier Posted December 7, 2005 Report Share Posted December 7, 2005 No I mean being able to tell the difference between imagination and reality. Imagination to you is basically anything you can't touch or see. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sip Posted December 7, 2005 Report Share Posted December 7, 2005 Not really. We have some very strong evidence that air exists for example. So air is not imaginary even though you can't touch or see it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aSoldier Posted December 7, 2005 Report Share Posted December 7, 2005 (edited) Not really. We have some very strong evidence that air exists for example. So air is not imaginary even though you can't touch or see it. You can feel it though. Anything beyond your senses is seen as imaginary. Edited December 7, 2005 by sSebB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Armat Posted December 7, 2005 Report Share Posted December 7, 2005 Some of us find the whole god,religion concept unacceptable but how come most of us prey or do something similiar when some critical event happens. If we are so sure about anything supernatural then why did I prey God to spare my life when the car I was in was skidding towards a big moutain gorge on sking trip.Why didn't I just shut my thougts.Why remember God then and not when I am healthy and happy. For me there are lot of things still unexplained when it comes to God,spirituality etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sasun Posted December 7, 2005 Report Share Posted December 7, 2005 Some of us find the whole god,religion concept unacceptable but how come most of us prey or do something similiar when some critical event happens. If we are so sure about anything supernatural then why did I prey God to spare my life when the car I was in was skidding towards a big moutain gorge on sking trip.Why didn't I just shut my thougts.Why remember God then and not when I am healthy and happy. For me there are lot of things still unexplained when it comes to God,spirituality etc. Armat, that means all of us have some degree of faith in God. Faith is actually an intuitive knowledge of God. We are so ungrateful that we only remember God when we need him, while God remembers us always yet he does not have a need to do so. It is just absolute, pure and permanent divine love. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sip Posted December 7, 2005 Report Share Posted December 7, 2005 (edited) For the record, I NEVER pray. I also never expect anything from God. However, I have been known to mention his name and his family with a few choice words and cuss him out when in severe pain. But don't even get me started on the subject or prayer ... how it brings man to the level of God (or God to the level of man) and how many incist on making deals with God (dear God, if you do this and that, I will do this and this) ... and the church is usually the worst when it comes to this ... heck just go through the words of the standard Armenian prayer and you'll realize how it actually sounds like we are commanding God to do a bunch of things for us. Also, I have faith in many things but not in God. For example, when I press "submit reply", I have it on good faith that the server will post this message in the thread. God has nothing to do with my faith in this case. So please don't generalize your notions of faith in that it somehow has to do with God, thank you Edited December 7, 2005 by Sip Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aSoldier Posted December 7, 2005 Report Share Posted December 7, 2005 (edited) For the record, I NEVER pray. I also never expect anything from God. However, I have been known to mention his name and his family with a few choice words and cuss him out when in severe pain. But don't even get me started on the subject or prayer ... how it brings man to the level of God (or God to the level of man) and how many incist on making deals with God (dear God, if you do this and that, I will do this and this) ... and the church is usually the worst when it comes to this ... heck just go through the words of the standard Armenian prayer and you'll realize how it actually sounds like we are commanding God to do a bunch of things for us. Also, I have faith in many things but not in God. For example, when I press "submit reply", I have it on good faith that the server will post this message in the thread. God has nothing to do with my faith in this case. So please don't generalize your notions of faith in that it somehow has to do with God, thank you Of all the gifts we may receive, prayer is the very best one.... I too sometimes pray to God at the worst times of my life and tend to forget to pray when I have the mentality that I can handle everything by myself. May God forgive me for ever thinking...That...there is a time or place where...HE is not to be FIRST in my life. Edited December 7, 2005 by sSebB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sasun Posted December 7, 2005 Report Share Posted December 7, 2005 Amen! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sasun Posted December 7, 2005 Report Share Posted December 7, 2005 However, I have been known to mention his name and his family with a few choice words and cuss him out when in severe pain. It looks like you have taken a few right steps towards the direction of Hell, just the place you wish to go. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sip Posted December 7, 2005 Report Share Posted December 7, 2005 It looks like you have taken a few right steps towards the direction of Hell, just the place you wish to go. I thought you said you believed in reincarnation and karma? So what's this going to Hell business now? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sasun Posted December 7, 2005 Report Share Posted December 7, 2005 I thought you said you believed in reincarnation and karma? So what's this going to Hell business now? Yeah, but I also said that between lives you stay for some time in the astral world, and in that world there are bad planets and good planets. So by "Hell" I meant one of the bad planets. The name is not so important. Clearly (according to my understanding) you will also face a bad karma in this and next life, but it is a function of your good deeds. I believe other than your crazy ideas ( ) you are a good person, so you never know where you will end up being. However, let me put it this way, if you are willingly and knowingly opposing to the God who is source of happiness then you can't be happy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vava Posted December 7, 2005 Report Share Posted December 7, 2005 He is going to hell. See - this is the silly kind of fear-mongering I dislike with all this religious business. I have tried (God knows) to avoid this thread. But hell, here I am. Why can't people just live and let live? Why must there be this whole: "you will be damned for all eternity in the fires of hell" type of attitude the second someone disagrees with your views on religion? It's critical, condescending, judgemental, and it certainly doesn't do your cause (or beliefs) any justice. Atheists, and/or agnostics don't go around 'threatening' religious people - why should it happen the other way around? Christianity purports to be benevolent, encompassing & welcoming - and in theory it is... but I find that many who practice it 'faithfully' lose sight of the lessons behind their beliefs. they get caught up in the dogma & rhetoric, forgetting the building blocks of faith. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aSoldier Posted December 7, 2005 Report Share Posted December 7, 2005 See - this is the silly kind of fear-mongering I dislike with all this religious business. I have tried (God knows) to avoid this thread. But hell, here I am. Why can't people just live and let live? Why must there be this whole: "you will be damned for all eternity in the fires of hell" type of attitude the second someone disagrees with your views on religion? It's critical, condescending, judgemental, and it certainly doesn't do your cause (or beliefs) any justice. Atheists, and/or agnostics don't go around 'threatening' religious people - why should it happen the other way around? Christianity purports to be benevolent, encompassing & welcoming - and in theory it is... but I find that many who practice it 'faithfully' lose sight of the lessons behind their beliefs. they get caught up in the dogma & rhetoric, forgetting the building blocks of faith. I'm not going around and threatening anyone. I was answering a question. Someone gave me a scenario, asking where these actions would lead, and I said the answer would be hell. Simple. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arpa Posted December 8, 2005 Report Share Posted December 8, 2005 (edited) I'm not going around and threatening anyone. I was answering a question. Someone gave me a scenario, asking where these actions would lead, and I said the answer would be hell. Simple. Սիրելի Սէպուհ ցավըդ տանեմ Can you rea Armenian? Do you see the ArmFont above? We feel your pain. Many here have gone through what you are going through now. In a few years you will outgrow and feel like many here do. Wait till you encounter a few tragedies, Արամազտ Մի Արասցէ and realize that God is NOT OMNIPOTENT in averting tragedies. Speaking of prayers, I recommend that we read the special edition of US News and World Report, Women of the Bible, specially our more beautiful forumers “Women of the Bible“; http://www.usnews.com/usnews/store/product..._womenbible.htm where among others, we read , where it is stated that the passage ; “Give us this day our daily bread and forgive us our debts” in the Lord’s Prayers, was in fact a social and political statement when the Romans were starving, the natives denying them bread and taxing them (debt)to bankruptcy. Edited December 8, 2005 by Arpa Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DominO123 Posted December 8, 2005 Report Share Posted December 8, 2005 Yeah, but I also said that between lives you stay for some time in the astral world, and in that world there are bad planets and good planets. So by "Hell" I meant one of the bad planets. The name is not so important. Clearly (according to my understanding) you will also face a bad karma in this and next life, but it is a function of your good deeds. I believe other than your crazy ideas ( ) you are a good person, so you never know where you will end up being. However, let me put it this way, if you are willingly and knowingly opposing to the God who is source of happiness then you can't be happy. Sip, do very bad things like damning gurus, so that you could be in the same planet as I in the next life if ever you still wan't to kick my @ss. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aSoldier Posted December 8, 2005 Report Share Posted December 8, 2005 Սիրելի Սէպուհ ցավըդ տանեմ Can you rea Armenian? Do you see the ArmFont above? We feel your pain. Many here have gone through what you are going through now. In a few years you will outgrow and feel like many here do. Wait till you encounter a few tragedies, Արամազտ Մի Արասցէ and realize that God is NOT OMNIPOTENT in averting tragedies. Speaking of prayers, I recommend that we read the special edition of US News and World Report, Women of the Bible, specially our more beautiful forumers “Women of the Bible“; http://www.usnews.com/usnews/store/product..._womenbible.htm where among others, we read , where it is stated that the passage ; “Give us this day our daily bread and forgive us our debts” in the Lord’s Prayers, was in fact a social and political statement when the Romans were starving, the natives denying them bread and taxing them (debt)to bankruptcy. My name isn't Sebouh "In a few years I will outgrow and feel like many here do?" How dare you. God is omnipotent, and I will never believe what you believe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eloren Posted December 8, 2005 Report Share Posted December 8, 2005 (edited) "In a few years I will outgrow and feel like many here do?" How dare you. How dare you? He is just giving a scenario with a simple answer.. Can i remind you that you just judged someone over a "simple" scenario and just answered "He is going to Hell" ? How dare you?! Now you see what we have been talking about? what just vava reminded? Christians feel they have the right to make judgments, to say anything because "it's the word of God"... but atheists don't have any rights do they? Let them all burn in hell poor people Edited December 8, 2005 by Eloren Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zartonk Posted December 8, 2005 Report Share Posted December 8, 2005 (edited) If only poor Jesus could know what things are being said in his name and in ignorance of his teaching, and under poor Buddha, at that. Let's not forget that this whole judgemental, law oriented and stamp-giving Christianity is only an enterprise of the apostles. The very reason for Jesus' importance is that he denounced secterianism and dogmatic intolerance. Enough criticizing and damning each other to hell, man. It's much too "Unchristian". Edited December 8, 2005 by Zartonk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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