aSoldier Posted November 29, 2005 Report Share Posted November 29, 2005 Yes ... it tells me there is hope for at least 17% of the people in that they can hopefully think outside the box. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anileve Posted November 29, 2005 Report Share Posted November 29, 2005 (edited) God's ears are ringing. Isn't this thread about Buddha? Has anyone heard of Reiki or Veda? Also does anyone practice meditation? It's my recent fascination. I would love to be able to meditate like Zen Buddhist. Supposedly through meditation you can gain a higher consciousness. You can develop focus and a total control of your mind. Edited November 29, 2005 by Anileve Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Armat Posted November 29, 2005 Report Share Posted November 29, 2005 God's ears are ringing. Isn't this thread about Buddha? Has anyone heard of Reiki or Veda? Also does anyone practice meditation? It's my recent fascination. I would love to be able to meditate like Zen Buddhist. Supposedly through meditation you can gain a higher consciousness. You can develop focus and a total control of your mind. I love Zen and do meditate whenever I can. I recommend you do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anahit Posted November 29, 2005 Report Share Posted November 29, 2005 The fact that 83% believe in some religion should tell you something. it does: tyranny of majority. we have the history to learn from. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aSoldier Posted November 30, 2005 Report Share Posted November 30, 2005 (edited) It is interesting that there are a lot of religions in the world. It represents the human beings search for lifes answers. The atheists think they have found the answer. Just like everyone else. Edited November 30, 2005 by sSebB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eloren Posted November 30, 2005 Report Share Posted November 30, 2005 It is interesting that there are a lot of religions in the world. It represents the human beings search for lifes answers. The atheists think they have found the answer. Just like everyone else. True there are so many religions.. monotheist, polytheist etc.. Which makes me wonder, How can we claim the christianity is THE only true religion out there? There are religions older than christianism, even judaism.. why? Does that mean that those believers are stupid people that haven't understood anything? Is a christian better than a pygmee praying in front of his totem representing the God of the Jungle? Or a druid believing in Mother Nature? I don't think so. No one can claim that his beliefs/religion is better than the other. Only faith counts. And maybe an atheist doesn't have faith, or has faith in something else, in science for example.. That is his choice and does not make him inferior. I guess we can say that religion is only about faith, no gods, no supreme beings, no prophets.. Only a common faith that ties people together for a just cause. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aSoldier Posted November 30, 2005 Report Share Posted November 30, 2005 (edited) True there are so many religions.. monotheist, polytheist etc.. Which makes me wonder, How can we claim the christianity is THE only true religion out there? There are religions older than christianism, even judaism.. why? Does that mean that those believers are stupid people that haven't understood anything? Is a christian better than a pygmee praying in front of his totem representing the God of the Jungle? Or a druid believing in Mother Nature? I don't think so. No one can claim that his beliefs/religion is better than the other. Only faith counts. And maybe an atheist doesn't have faith, or has faith in something else, in science for example.. That is his choice and does not make him inferior. I guess we can say that religion is only about faith, no gods, no supreme beings, no prophets.. Only a common faith that ties people together for a just cause. Well there's a lot of facts proving Christianity is the one true religion, but it's not something I have to prove. Faith is not the only factor in religion. I understand what you're trying to say, but there is more to it than that. Choice, actions and reactions are all determined by a person's religion and it's teachings (that is, if they follow their religion the way they should). Edited November 30, 2005 by sSebB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eloren Posted November 30, 2005 Report Share Posted November 30, 2005 Well there's a lot of facts proving Christianity is the one true religion, but it's not something I have to prove. Every culture has also proofs that their religion is the only true one. No one will believe the other. And we all know that a lot of christians like in Africa or other places have been converted from their former religion mostly by force. Faith is not the only factor in religion. I understand what you're trying to say, but there is more to it than that. Choice, actions and reactions are all determined by a person's religion and it's teachings (that is, if they follow their religion the way they should). What other factors do you have in mind? It is common faith that binds people together and create a healthy society based on respect and love. But History showed us till now that religion through fear of God or Hell or else gives nothing more than fanatics trying to control the population. God is not your superior boss or your master. God should be your everyday best friend Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anahit Posted November 30, 2005 Report Share Posted November 30, 2005 It is interesting that there are a lot of religions in the world. It represents the human beings search for lifes answers. The atheists think they have found the answer. Just like everyone else. i think there are so many religions in the world, because people are different, not only with barckgrounds and traditions, but mostly with values of life and humanity, plus there is not only one way of happiness: eveyone can be happy in her/his own way, so they beleive in what makes them happy, and there are various ways of being/feeling happy. like someone wrote once: "i don't have to be happy the way u want me to be." i think atheists are too happy and strong, busy enjoying life, so can't and have no need to waste time on searching or looking for something i think people choose to believe in religions, cause they look for hope and understanding, want to enrich their lifes that have gone wrong somehow... the answer to life is not in religion, but in living itself, i think. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aSoldier Posted November 30, 2005 Report Share Posted November 30, 2005 (edited) ^^^^ Your last 2 words say everything ^^^^ Every culture has also proofs that their religion is the only true one. No one will believe the other. And we all know that a lot of christians like in Africa or other places have been converted from their former religion mostly by force. That's a reasonable arguement I must say. However, forceful convertion is used everywhere, not only in Africa. And it's mainly Islam that is forced on people, not Christianity. But History showed us till now that religion through fear of God or Hell or else gives nothing more than fanatics trying to control the population. God is not your superior boss or your master. God should be your everyday best friend Very true. That is how I see God Edited December 1, 2005 by sSebB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eloren Posted November 30, 2005 Report Share Posted November 30, 2005 That's a reasonable arguement I must say. However, forceful convertion is used everywhere, not only in Africa. And it's mainly Islam that is forced on people, not Christianity. Yes, but let's not forget the crusades, the inquisition, the missionaries.. It's all over now maybe but even christianity had it's dark hours Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aSoldier Posted November 30, 2005 Report Share Posted November 30, 2005 Yes, but let's not forget the crusades, the inquisition, the missionaries.. It's all over now maybe but even christianity had it's dark hours I think I will forget them. They were not following God's genuine plan. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DominO123 Posted November 30, 2005 Report Share Posted November 30, 2005 i think atheists are too happy and strong, busy enjoying life, so can't and have no need to waste time on searching or looking for something I strongly disagree here. Atheism is simply the belief of the non-existance of a god. This doesn't mean in anyway that an atheist doesn't search for meanings, or ain't looking for anything. Yet, how many atheists believe in the supernatural, alien ubductions etc? Even among atheists, those that don't have personal beliefs is about near to zero. I will tend to believe that a nontheist will have more tendency to not search for anything, because atheism is a taking position, which required a judgement and search for something in most cases. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DominO123 Posted November 30, 2005 Report Share Posted November 30, 2005 Very true. That is how I see God Oh really? how? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azat Posted December 1, 2005 Report Share Posted December 1, 2005 I strongly disagree here. Atheism is simply the belief of the non-existance of a god. This doesn't mean in anyway that an atheist doesn't search for meanings, or ain't looking for anything. Yet, how many atheists believe in the supernatural, alien ubductions etc? Even among atheists, those that don't have personal beliefs is about near to zero. I will tend to believe that a nontheist will have more tendency to not search for anything, because atheism is a taking position, which required a judgement and search for something in most cases. I dont search for anything in my life Fadiushka. I could care less about the meaning of life or why we are here or earth after me. I am only going to be on this earth once for a short period of time so I try to enjoy most of it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DominO123 Posted December 1, 2005 Report Share Posted December 1, 2005 I dont search for anything in my life Fadiushka. I could care less about the meaning of life or why we are here or earth after me. I am only going to be on this earth once for a short period of time so I try to enjoy most of it. Then you're a nontheist before being an atheist. A non-theist doesn't care of the existance of a god, and many of them don't care for the rest related to such issues(meaning of life etc.). Atheism for a nontheist is just secondary, some may have opinions, but what distinguish them is that they don't care of if there is a god or not and think that it is completly irrelevent. I believe the meaning of each persons life is his or her own business, not what a book says. My life has a meaning for me, and your's has a meaning for you, it is what you make of it. That's what really matter. If someone believe in a god, and has found the meaning of his/her life, good for him/her. In his/her universe, his/her god exist, not yours. (I had to place that there, I had to ) The important for each person, is not what others believe, but what he or she believes in. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ED Posted December 1, 2005 Report Share Posted December 1, 2005 Azat so it’s fair to say you and I are believers of "none-believers"? And since when one has a norm for definition of who is believer and on what one believes? I think above all one should be a good human being first, thru out history we have learned even the most religious can commit the most despicable acts/crimes, being good and being NORMAL requires no religion in my opinion, but I do respect ones who need religion to stamp out there morality, humanity, and existence to do good will for the benefit of the men kind…….its so simple yet so complicated for some…no religion and no politics. I go to the church once in a wile and sit listen to our beautiful sharakans, and sometimes I even get emotional, I don’t know if there is something out there, a divine being who I should worship and pray to, but logic tells me he is within us all along and that’s what God is, me you and all of us Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azat Posted December 1, 2005 Report Share Posted December 1, 2005 Ed and Domino I agree with both of you 99%. that 1% was left out for the multiuniverse comment. i think it is my duty to do good to everyone i meet and know. i will not wish or do any harm to anyone. even people who have ended up screwing me i do now wish any bad things for them. and i know Ed you are a similar person like that. live and let live. we realy do have a very limited time on earth so enjoy it everyone Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aSoldier Posted December 1, 2005 Report Share Posted December 1, 2005 Oh really? how? I already said it...check what I quoted. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aSoldier Posted December 1, 2005 Report Share Posted December 1, 2005 I dont search for anything in my life Fadiushka. I could care less about the meaning of life or why we are here or earth after me. I am only going to be on this earth once for a short period of time so I try to enjoy most of it. Do you care where you go after you die? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ED Posted December 1, 2005 Report Share Posted December 1, 2005 Do you care where you go after you die? if i may I like to answer that I really care where I'm now, and they way I live I'm sure I'll end up somewhere good afterlife, sSebB, are you concerned so much where you'll end up when you die? are you a moral person? do you respect your elders? nation? frinds? etc...if yes then you have nothing to worry about, I tell you waht its time for you to kick back and enjoy a nice cold one hand loose pal Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aSoldier Posted December 1, 2005 Report Share Posted December 1, 2005 if i may I like to answer that I really care where I'm now, and they way I live I'm sure I'll end up somewhere good afterlife, sSebB, are you concerned so much where you'll end up when you die? are you a moral person? do you respect your elders? nation? frinds? etc...if yes then you have nothing to worry about, I tell you waht its time for you to kick back and enjoy a nice cold one hand loose pal A nice cold beer I presume I'm not worried, just asking a question. And yeh I was asking Azat! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ED Posted December 1, 2005 Report Share Posted December 1, 2005 A nice cold beer I presume how about a cold glass of milk? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aSoldier Posted December 1, 2005 Report Share Posted December 1, 2005 how about a cold glass of milk? lol, yeh why not? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eloren Posted December 1, 2005 Report Share Posted December 1, 2005 Do you forget to live today while you are always thinking about what you are going to do tomorrow? Don't run after something you will never reach. live your days as if they were your last Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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