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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cHBsm1YYKMU ԱՐՓԱ - ՍԵՎԱՆ Խօսք- Յուրի Սահակեան Երաժշ- Էդկար Հովաննիսեան Դյուցազուն լեռների լանջերին թիկնած, Ալեհեր իմ ճամփորդ, իմ Սևան, Կյանք ես տվել դու մեր սրտերին պապակ, Ու ծարավ ես հիմա ու հոգնած, Ու ծարավ ես հիմա ու հոգնած... Երազ Սևան, ծարավ իմ Սևան, Բարձրիկ ծովերի արքա, Սպասիր, Սևան, շունչ քաշիր, Սևան, Քո գիրկն է շտապում Արփան: Փոխելով իր ճամփան դարավոր ու հին, Հեռավոր տեսիլքովդ հարբած, Խենթաբար ճեղքում է շղթան լեռների Վիշապաքաղ ու ծուռ իմ Արփան, Վիշապաքաղ ու ծուռ իմ Արփան... Երազ Սևան, ծարավ իմ Սևան, Բարձրիկ ծովերի արքա, Սպասիր, Սևան, շունչ քաշիր, Սևան, Քո գիրկն է շտապում Արփան: Քո կապույդ հմայքիդ, հավերժիդ համար, Մենք ճամփա ենք պոկում լեռներից, Որ ծփաս դու հավետ, որ լինես անմար, Թև ու թռիչք տաս քո զավակներին, Թև ու թռիչք տաս քո զավակներին... Երազ Սևան, ծարավ իմ Սևան, Բարձրիկ ծովերի արքա, Սպասիր, Սևան, շունչ քաշիր, Սևան, Քո գիրկն է շտապում Արփան:

Why are some people reciting the name of GOD in vain, and using HIM to justify their UNGODLY acts? Did not mehmet turkoghlu recite “allah ou ekber” before he slit the throats of our ancestors? Which allah, which god were they calling? I doubt if they were invoking “rahman al rahim/merciful of all”. A picture of allah; http://scrapetv.com/News/News%20Pages/Everyone%20Else/images-3/Ayatollah-Khomeini.jpg --- We are only 3 days away from the 9th year from 9/11/2001, and there is so much bullshit flying around about the planned so called islamic center only a few doors from that tragically scared WTC site, where over 4000 people of all faiths and all colors were incinerated. Now, tell me about that SOB god of islam, that that attack was not the act of islam, and that how benevolent islam is. BULLCRAP!!! Yes, do tell us that that act of terrorism was not an islamic act, and then tell us how many of the below (partial) list of perpetrators were of other faiths but islam. And now so many idiotic imams are coming out of the woodwork to tell us that islam is a religion of love, peace and tolerance. Yea !!! Right “pis” and “toler-my-arse”. How many new/old Chrsitian Centers/churches have been built in Saudia, Iran and furkey lately? Show me one new Christian building in those damn countries, that is beside that joke of “akdamar museum” then I’ll participate in the building of an Islamic center. My fathers used to say “We should get out of the shadow of the minaret” . And now see how the minaret has caught up with us!!! Allah ou ekber? Up their big noses! Shoonshanordiner!!! If they intended to come to Christian America then why did they murder us the Christian Armenians and stole our homes and churches ? Why are they coming to America? Who is inviting them? Yes, yes. Let all the furks come to America, we will take back our land and home. -- Here is a list of those “benevolently peaceful “ non-muslims. Which of them professes other than “islam”. Christian. judaic, Budhist or Brahman? Here is a symbol of islam the sword. Now tell us how the sword is a symbol peace, love and tolerance!!! http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_of9ue2vob2g/SfEyTguVYdI/AAAAAAAAIrQ/ajB39yzRZQw/s400/Saudi+Arabia+flag1.gif ---

SASUNTSI DAVID’s grave found? Do you know the Armenian word ԱՅՐՈՒՁԻ/Ayroudzi. No, not “aryoutsi/lion”. It means Horseman (literally “man-and horse“), Cavalier, Chevalier. http://www.armeniapedia.org/index.php?title=File:Sasuntsi_tavit-alexouns.jpg http://www.armeniapedia.org/images/thumb/2/2b/Sasuntsi_Davit.jpg/350px-Sasuntsi_Davit.jpg ------ ARMENIAN EPIC HERO'S GRAVE AND OLDEST HORSE BURIAL PLACE FOUND IN THE REPUBLIC OF ARMENIA Eva Sahakyan YerevanReport.com Sept 7 2010 Armenia YEREVAN, September 7-Armenian archeologists discovered an ancient burial place of a horse during archeological excavations on the territory of the Republic of Armenia. Hakob Simonian, the director of the Research Center of Cultural and Historical Heritage, told the journalists about this. According to him, the excavations were found in the Nerkin Naver necropolis, which is 3.5 km to the west of Ashtarak. "This find dates back to the 26-25th centuries BC, and it's the oldest burial place of a horse discovered to this day. It has an all-important significance not only for Armenia, but for the whole Western Asia as well," Simonian said. The archeological find testifies that Armenians used horses for military purposes. Simonian mentioned that horse is the animal that defined the development of humanity, and its domestication can be associated with the establishment of civilization. During the excavations in Nerkin Naver, the Armenian archeologists discovered another burial place that resembles the grave of one of the heroes of the famous Armenian national epic poem Sasuntsi David ("David of Sassoon"). Simonian says that the burial place is surprisingly rich, proper only for heroes. A lion claw was found under the head of the buried man, and according to the epic poem, a lion skin was put under Lion-Mher's (Aryudz Mher) head. According to Simonian, this find can imply that the epic poem has a real-life basis. "Expensive arms were also found in the burial place, a valuable saber among them, which is indeed a rarity. One more time this emphasizes the fact that the buried man wasn't an ordinary man," Simonian added. The Nerkin Naver necropolis counts 30 burial places. Seven burial places have already been examined and the excavations of the 8th one are being carried out.

ՔԱՐԱՀՈՒՆՋ եւ ՊՈՐՏԱՍԱՐ Karahunj and Portasar http://www.azg.am/imgBig/300-201016213.jpg http://www.panorama.am/en/society/2010/09/07/stonhenge/ Armenia most ancient astronomy center in the world: scientist Armenia was the most ancient astronomy center in the world, candidate for biological sciences, senior fellow of “Stones and Stars” Armenian expedition group in Oxford University, Vachagan Vahradyan, told reporters today. With over 7500 years’ history, Qarahunj, situated in Syunik, Armenia, served as basis for his conclusion. He said, the recent study allows to claim that the Armenian Qarahunj is even older that the English Stonehenge, claiming about 300 years’ history. Qarahunj is a combination of huge vertical triangular stones. According to the specialist, both monuments have identical construction. Both have holes directed to the NE and in the past these allowed to find the day which was to mark the beginning of the year. “This evidences that the constructors had the same culture values and astrology skills. This is of serious and essential significance,” he said. Both Qarahunj and the Stonehenge are observatories. As far as the similarity of the names goes, it’s beyond doubt that the Armenian “qar” (stone) and the English “stone” mean the same. Scientific research in Qarahunj got underway in 2006 and the materials have been sent to Oxford. British scientists got greatly interested in the monument and a number of researchers are intent to arrive in Armenia from Oxford University next week to carry out 2-week-long study of the complex with the Armenian scientists. http://www.azg.am/AM/2010090822 «ԱԶԳ» ՕՐԱԹԵՐԹ #162, 2010-09-08 Օրվա հետքերով ԲԱՑԱՀԱՅՏՈՒՄՆԵՐ ՔԱՐԱՀՈՒՆՋՈՒՄ Հայաստանըՙ հնագույն աստղագիտական կենտրոն Հայ-բրիտանական «Քարեր եւ աստղեր» ծրագրի հայաստանյան արշավախմբի գլխավոր գիտական խորհրդական Վաչագան Վահրադյանն արդեն երկար ժամանակ հետազոտում է Քարահունջը: Հետազոտություններով բացահայտվել են հուշարձանի եւ Կարապի համաստեղության կապը, հուշարձանի աստղագիտական նշանակության վարկածն ու կապը անգլիական Սթոունհենջի հետ: Սրանք ու էլի մի շարք փաստեր Վահրադյանն ուղարկել է Օքսֆորդի համալսարան. պատասխանը չի ուշացել. փաստերը հետաքրքրական են, համագործակցությունը` անհրաժեշտություն: Վերջին շրջանում գրեթե ամեն շաբաթ Վահրադյանը նոր բացահայտումներ է արել. Նա համոզված է, որ հայկական Քարահունջն ավելի հին ծագում ունի, քան Սթոունհենջը: Հնագետները Քարահունջին վերագրում են 3800-ամյա պատմություն, հենվելով այնտեղ հայտնաբերված իրերի վրա, մինչդեռ Վահրադյանի մաթեմատիկական եւ աստղագիտական հաշվարկների հիման վրա Քարահունջն ունի շուրջ 7000-ամյա պատմություն: Զուգահեռներ անցկացնելով Քարահունջի եւ Սթոունհենջի միջեւ, Վահրադյանը շեշտում է երկու կառույցների նմանությունը: Հայկական եւ բրիտանական կառույցներում հստակ ուրվագծվում են դեպի հյուսիս-արեւելք ուղղված քարե միջանցքները, որոնք հնարավորություն են տալիս պարզելու ամառային արեւադարձի օրը: Նրա ներկայացմամբ, սա փաստում է, որ երկու կառույցների հեղինակներն էլ միեւնույն մշակութային արժեքների կրողն են եւ լավ տիրապետել են աստղագիտությանը: Վահրադյանը մեջբերում է Տրոյան հայտնաբերած Հենրիխ Շլիմանի խոսքերը. «Եվրոպայի ողբերգությունն է, որ իր քաղաքակրթության հիմք ընդունեց ոչ թե հայկական, այլ հին հունական մշակույթը»: Շլիմանը ոչ միայն հավասարեցնում էր երկու մշակույթներ, այլեւ նախապատվությունը տալիս էր հայկականին: Հայկական մշակույթի եւ հին շրջանում քաղաքակրթության առաջնորդողի լավագույն օրինակներից մեկն էլ Արեւմտյան Հայաստանի Պորտասար վանական համալիրն է: Համադրելով երեք կառույցների լուսանկարները, քարերի ձեւն ու համաստեղությունները, Վահադյանը փաստում է, որ հուշարձանները կարծես միմյանց շարունակությունը լինեն: Երեք կառույցների քարերի վրա պատկերված է համաստեղությունների բաժանված աստղային երկինքը` Անգղի (Կարապի) համաստեղության շուրջը: Հնագետ Կարլ Շմիդտը կառույցին վերագրում է 12.000 տարվա պատմություն, ինչը փաստում է, որ Հայկական լեռնաշխարհում Աստղային երկինքը համաստեղությունների էր բաժանված 12.000 տարի առաջ: Այսօր թուրքերը հայկական Պորտասար վանական համալիրն անվանում են Turkish Stonehenge եւ ներկայացնում որպես թուրքական աստղագիտության ժառանագություն: Թուրքական խեղաթյուրման դեմ գիտնականները ոչինչ չեն ձեռնարկում: Մյուս շաբաթ Հայաստան կժամանի Օքսֆորդի համալսարանի պատվիրակությունը` աշխարհագրագետ, հոգեբան, մաթեմատիկոս, աստղաբաններ: Պեղումները կտեւեն շուրջ 2 շաբաթ: Մինչ գիտնականը փորձում է աշխարհին մատուցել Քարահունջի հսկայական արժեքը, այնտեղ մարդիկ ոչխար են արածացնում: Թեպետ կառույցն ընդգրկված է հուշարձանների պահպանման ցանկում, սակայն ոչ միայն անվտանգությունը, այլեւ պահակի ներկայությունն ապահովված չէ: Անտարբերության պարագայում հուշարձանի 35-րդ քարը վերջերս գողացել են: ՀԱՍՄԻԿ ՀԱՐՈՒԹՅՈՒՆՅԱՆ http://www.azg.am/AM/2010090822 © AZG Daily, 2008 ---- Above we see the mention of “Portasara’. I can’t find much about it, Google will open several . It litrally means “Navel Summit” (navel as in belly button). Those other people have renamed it “Gobekli Tepe” , a literal translation. It is in the neighborhood of Edessia/Urfa. It does not show on paper maps , but you can see it at the Smithsonian URL below . Պորտասար http://artmamul.ararat-center.org/?p=16 http://www.smithsonianmag.com/history-archaeology/gobekli-tepe.html# http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/24/Smithsonian_map_g%C3%B6bekli_tepe.jpg Hey Harut, do your ancestors know anything about it?

Below we see a partial quote from the Hanragitaran http://hy.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D5%8D%D6%87%D5%A1%D5%B6%D5%A1_%D5%AC%D5%AB%D5%B3 We still don’t know the etymology or the reason of naming that Lake ՍեւանSevan/ՍեւանաSevana. I can’t find it where Johannes gave us a logical explanation. Was it named for the ՍԵՒ ՎԱՆՔ/Black Monastery/Convent? http://www.travelphotoguide.com/photos/armenia/lake_sevan/armenia_lake_sevan_2.jpg Btw. And this is no surprise. The Armenian would be Մենարան/Solitude, as when one chooses to isolate themselves from society and retrieve to their . Also, click on “monk” above to see what it means. In the Armenian it is վանական/ կուսակրօն ---- Սևանայ Լիճ Շրջան Հայաստան, Գեղարքունիքի մարզ Դիրք 40°19′ հս. լ. 45°21′ ավ. ե. / 40.316667° հս. լ. 45.35° աե. ե.40.316667, 45.3540°19′ հս. լ. 45°21′ ավ. ե. / 40.316667° հս. լ. 45.35° աե. ե. Բարձրություն ծովի մակարդակից 1 896 մ Հայելու տարածք 1 243 կմ² Միջին խորություն 26,0 մ Պարզություն 4,5 մ Ծավալ 33,2 կմ³ Թափվող գետ Հրազդան Սևանա լիճ (նաև` Գեղամա ծով)՝ լիճ Հայաստանի Գեղարքունիքի մարզում։ Այն Հայաստանի ամենախոշոր լիճն է։ Հանդիսանում է հայկական բարձրավանդակի երրորդ մեծ լիճը (Վանա լիճ, Ուրմիա լիճ), որ հնում հայտնի է եղել Գեղամա ծով, Գեղարքունյաց ծով կամ Լուխմիտա անունով: Ի տարբերություն Ուրմիա և Վանա լճերի բաց լիճ է և ունի քաղցրահամ ջուր, նրա մեջ են թափվում 28 գետակներ, նրանից սկիզբ է առնում Հրազդան գետը: Այն աշխարհի բարձրադիր և քաղցրահամ ջուր ունեցող լճերից մեկն է, այն ծովի մակերևույթից բարձր է 1916 մետր, լճի երկրաբանական ուսումնասիրությունները ցույց են տալիս, որ Սևանա լիճն առաջացել է 3-րդական դարաշրջանում և ի սկզբանե եղել է ավելի ծանծաղ քան այսօր, այդ են վկայում Սևանա լճի ափին 20-րդ դարի 50-ական թվականներին կատարված հնագիտական ուսումնասիրությունները

SEVAN ---- With this post my wish is that we create a whole separate TOPIC of Sevan in particular and or one of ENVIRONMENT in general. I will leave it to our fearless Ads and Mods to decide. And in so doing we may collect all the posts dealing with SEVAN or ENVIRONMENT under one Topic.Please everyone feel free to move here any such threads you may run into. Btw. In the Armenian Version we see this word բնապահպանություն to mean Environmental Conservation, my personal choice would be to drop the ութիւն - ԲՆԱՊԱՀՊԱՆՈՒՄ. The following is not such a pretty story, but hopefully it will stimulte a discussion. ----- http://www.armenianow.com/social/environment/24619/armenia_lake_sevan_trees http://www.armenianow.com/sites/default/files/img/imagecache/600x400/sevan_water-rise.jpg Environment | 07.09.10 | 09:23 Failed Conservation: Private companies accused of pocketing public money but not doing Sevan work By Karine Ionesyan ArmeniaNow reporter Armenia’s Ministry of Nature Protection is under investigation for misappropriation of public funds after its subcontractors failed to carry out scheduled sanitary logging in certain areas of Lake Sevan. On September 2, the Prosecutor’s Office announced on its official website that in 2006-2008 Wide Gate, and in 2009 Tree Gren and H. Eloyan & Sons Ltd companies committed abuses, as a result of which a large number of trees have been covered by water in hectares of territory submerged by rising Lake Sevan. (Raising the level of the lake is part of an environmental rehabilitation program, which also requires that territories that go under water should first be subjected to special treatment to exclude future swamping of the lake.) Wide Gate Ltd failed to clean a forest territory of about 35 hectares and fell short of some technical parameters in logging, cleaning, sorting and removal/transportation of a dense mass of 795.7 cubic meters of timber. The other two companies have failed to properly do the same kind of work on 86.5 and 331 cubic meters of the dense mass of forest cutting, respectively. For this, state prosecutors particularly hold responsible the head of the Ministry of Nature Protection Bio-Resources Management Department Artashes Ziroyan and a group of Sevan National Park employees under Criminal Code articles dealing with abusing position, squandering and misappropriating public money. The criminal cases have been sent to the Head Investigation Department of the Police for investigation. “Artashes Ziroyan is out of town and he is the only one who can give explanations,” Ministry spokesman Artsrun Pepanyan told ArmeniaNow seeking clarification of the matter. He only said that, overall, 600 hectares of land were to have been cleaned in the period of 2006-2009, for which the state had allocated a total sum of 253 million drams (about $700,000). ArmeniaNow attempts to get in touch with the Sevan National Park state-owned non-profit organization failed. Environmentalists say they consider criminal cases a belated step, since it is already difficult to find out how much space has actually gone under water and how much has actually been cleaned. “We visited different villages on the shore of Lake Sevan where many said that they had seen no worker cleaning those areas and that when they volunteered to clean the territories themselves at the cost of taking the wood materials for themselves as compensation. They got a rejection,” environmentalist Inga Zarafyan, head of Ecolur NGO, told ArmeniaNow. She claims that holidaymakers who chose to stay at the village of Tsapatagh this year could not enjoy the lake at all. Source URL: http://www.armenianow.com/social/environment/24619/armenia_lake_sevan_trees

SEVAN or SEV NSHAN?? http://www.armenianow.com/social/environment/24619/armenia_lake_sevan_trees http://www.armenianow.com/sites/default/files/img/imagecache/600x400/sevan_water-rise.jpg Environment | 07.09.10 | 09:23 Failed Conservation: Private companies accused of pocketing public money but not doing Sevan work Photolure By Karine Ionesyan ArmeniaNow reporter Armenia’s Ministry of Nature Protection is under investigation for misappropriation of public funds after its subcontractors failed to carry out scheduled sanitary logging in certain areas of Lake Sevan. On September 2, the Prosecutor’s Office announced on its official website that in 2006-2008 Wide Gate, and in 2009 Tree Gren and H. Eloyan & Sons Ltd companies committed abuses, as a result of which a large number of trees have been covered by water in hectares of territory submerged by rising Lake Sevan. (Raising the level of the lake is part of an environmental rehabilitation program, which also requires that territories that go under water should first be subjected to special treatment to exclude future swamping of the lake.) Wide Gate Ltd failed to clean a forest territory of about 35 hectares and fell short of some technical parameters in logging, cleaning, sorting and removal/transportation of a dense mass of 795.7 cubic meters of timber. The other two companies have failed to properly do the same kind of work on 86.5 and 331 cubic meters of the dense mass of forest cutting, respectively. For this, state prosecutors particularly hold responsible the head of the Ministry of Nature Protection Bio-Resources Management Department Artashes Ziroyan and a group of Sevan National Park employees under Criminal Code articles dealing with abusing position, squandering and misappropriating public money. The criminal cases have been sent to the Head Investigation Department of the Police for investigation. “Artashes Ziroyan is out of town and he is the only one who can give explanations,” Ministry spokesman Artsrun Pepanyan told ArmeniaNow seeking clarification of the matter. He only said that, overall, 600 hectares of land were to have been cleaned in the period of 2006-2009, for which the state had allocated a total sum of 253 million drams (about $700,000). ArmeniaNow attempts to get in touch with the Sevan National Park state-owned non-profit organization failed. Environmentalists say they consider criminal cases a belated step, since it is already difficult to find out how much space has actually gone under water and how much has actually been cleaned. “We visited different villages on the shore of Lake Sevan where many said that they had seen no worker cleaning those areas and that when they volunteered to clean the territories themselves at the cost of taking the wood materials for themselves as compensation. They got a rejection,” environmentalist Inga Zarafyan, head of Ecolur NGO, told ArmeniaNow. She claims that holidaymakers who chose to stay at the village of Tsapatagh this year could not enjoy the lake at all. Source URL: http://www.armenianow.com/social/environment/24619/armenia_lake_sevan_trees

TOO LITTLE TOO LATE!? By now we all know that I am a little slow, but even then it seems I am not as slow as some of our pundits. Just as in the case of that ridiculous “proCTOcols”, it took a whole year and more to finally see that those clowns in ankaka were speaking out of their “PROCTO”.s, until finally when almost we felt it in our “procto”'s we realized what was going on. Below some of the many such news; ---- http://news.am/eng/news/29659.html Another Turkish disgrace: Surb Khach Church to open without cross September 03, 2010 | 10:07 Turkish authorities made dishonorable step, announcing they will not manage to put the cross on the dome of Surb Khach Church on Akhtamar Island, because of technical problems and will place it after the September 19 liturgy. Deputy Patriarch of Constantinople Archbishop Aram Ateshyan arrived in Van to familiarize himself with the activities for the opening ceremony of Surb Khach. According to Ateshyan, Van Governor had said setting a 200 kg cross requires a special tower and they would not manage to place it till the opening ceremony, as it is a difficult process, Turkish Heberturk reports. The Governor had said the cross will be shown to everybody on September 19 and set on the dome after the liturgy. The governor’s words were an unpleasant surprise to the Chairman of the Van’s Trade and Industry Chamber Zahir Kandasoglu as well. The latter stressed they are entrepreneurs and consider many issues will be solved if trade and economic relations improve. Later, Archbishop Aram Ateshyan and representatives of the Armenian patriarchate met with Mayor of Van, who promised to do everything possible to organize the event properly and honor the guests. ----- http://hetq.am/en/society/38983/ Etchmiadzin Pulls Out of September 19 Akhtamar Ceremony [ 2010/09/06 | 16:30 ] society Turkey Breaks Promise on “Cross” Issue, Etchmiadzin Charges The Mother See at Etchmiadzin, in an about-face, has decided against sending an official delegation to Holy Cross Church on the island of Akhtamar, Lake Van, for religious services scheduled for September 19. It appears that the recent statement by Turkey that a cross would not be placed atop the church as promised, due to technical reasons, caused Etchmiadzin to rethink its prior decision to send a two clergy delegation to Akhtamar at the request of the Armenian Patriarchate in Istanbul. In its statement, the Mother See of Holy Etchmiadzin notes that: “Taking into account the breach of the assurances provided regarding the placement of the cross, the Mother See of Holy Etchmiadzin – which was prepared to satisfy the request of the Armenian Patriarchate of Constantinople to send two representatives to participate in the Divine Liturgy – is suspending the participation of her representatives in the celebration of the liturgy at the Church of the Holy Cross at Aghtamar on September 19.” See also: ------ http://www.panorama.am/en/politics/2010/09/06/s-karapetyan/ Sourb Khach of Akhtamar not anointed, no holy liturgy can be served in non-anointed church Sourb Khach (St. Cross) church has not been anointed and no holy liturgy can be served in a non-anointed church, specialist for monuments Samvel Karapetyan told reporters today. According to him, people needn't go to Akhtamar, Van that day. ''I think, everyone should go to see Akhtamar and all the other monuments, but not necessarily that day. If Turks are planning to organize a theatre performance, it's not right to participate in it,'' he said. In this context he approved the decision of the Mother See of Holy Echmiadzin not to participate in the liturgy. Note that Turkish authorities had pledged to place a cross atop the church by September 19, the day when the liturgy is due to be served, however, they announced lately that the cross weighs 200kg and cannot be placed due to the technical problems. 16:17 06/09/2010 » Քաղաքական Սուրբ Խաչն օծված չէ, չօծված եկեղեցում պատարագ չեն մատուցում. հուշարձանագետ Վանի Սուրբ Խաչ եկեղեցին օծված չէ և չօծված եկեղեցում պատարագ չի մատուցվում: Այսօր ասուլիսում հայտարարեց հուշարձանագետ Սամվել Կարապետյանը` նկատելով, որ պատարագ մատուցելու համար պետք է անպայմանորեն եկեղեցու օծում լինի: Ըստ Կարապետյանի, Սուրբ Խաչ եկեղեցու խորանը սալահատակ է և վեմ քար տեղադրված չէ: «Հայտնի է, որ մինչև վերականգնելը վեմ քարը չկար, իսկ խորանը տակնուվրա վիճակում էր: Վեմ քարը հուշարձանի առանցքային դրվագն է համարվում։ Եկեղեցին ենթակա է վերաօծման, անգամ եթե վեմ քարը մի փոքր թեքվել է», -բացատրեց հուշարձանագետը: Բանախոսն ասաց, որ անպայման չէ այդ օրը գնալ Աղթամար, Վան: «Ես կողմ եմ, որ մեզանից յուրաքանչյուրը այցելի և տեսնի Աղթամարը և մնացած հուշարձանները, բայց անպայման չէ հենց այդ օրը։ Եվ եթե թուրքերն ուղղակի ուզում են զուռնա-դհոլ կազմակերպել, ապա այդ թատրոնին մասնակցելը ճիշտ չէ», – նկատեց նա։ Այդ համատեքստում նա կարծիք հայտնեց, որ Մայր Աթոռ Սուրբ Էջմիածինը արժանապատիվ որոշում է կայացրել` առկախելով մասնակցությունը պատարագի արարողությանը: Նշենք, որ թուրքական իշխանությունները խոստացել էին մինչև սեպտեմբերի 19-ը` պատարագի մատուցման օրը, Սուրբ Խաչ եկեղեցու գմբեթին տեղադրել խաչ, սակայն օրերս Վանի իշխանությունները հայտարարել էին, թե խաչը ծանր է` 200 կգ և տեխնիկական դժվարությունների պատճառով այն չի կարող տեղադրվել եկեղեցու գմբեթին: --- Arts and Culture | 06.09.10 | 13:56 Political move or religious tolerance?: Authorized liturgy at Surb Khach in Turkey draws reproach amid modest welcome http://www.armenianow.com/arts_and_culture/24611/armenian_church_surb_khach_opening_september_19 The Holy Cross Church at Akhtamar is until now denied the right to have a cross placed atop its dome. By Naira Hayrumyan ArmeniaNow correspondent The Mother See of Holy Etchmiadzin has refused to participate in the Divine Liturgy at the Armenian Surb Khach (Holy Cross) Church on Akhtamar Island in Lake Van on September 19, after learning “with regret and disappointment” that the placing of the cross on top of the church dome “is being postponed by the Turkish authorities without cause.” “The Mother See had been assured that the consecrated cross would be permanently placed on the dome of the church one week prior to the celebration of Divine Liturgy in the Church of the Holy Cross,” the Mother See press office said in a statement. “Taking into account the breach of the assurances provided regarding the placement of the cross, the Mother See of Holy Etchmiadzin – which was prepared to satisfy the request of the Armenian Patriarchate of Constantinople to send two representatives to participate in the Divine Liturgy – is suspending the participation of her representatives in the celebration of the liturgy at the Church of the Holy Cross at Akhtamar on September 19.” The Armenian Surb Khach was built during the heyday of the Kingdom of Vaspurakan in the 10th century by architect Manuel, during the reign of King Gagik Artsruni. It was restored by the Turkish authorities and opened in 2007 as a museum. In the spring of 2010, the Turkish government gave Armenians the right to conduct a liturgy in the church once a year. It was earlier reported that Bishop Markos Hovhannisyan and Archimandrite Komitas Hovnanyan would attend the upcoming liturgy on behalf of Holy Etchmiadzin. At the end of August, the Catholicosate of the Great House of Cilicia also said it refused to take part in the liturgy. In the statement the Catholicosate underlined its “position against Turkey’s consistent denialist policy and attempts to appear before the international community as a defender of human rights.” There is an ongoing debate in Armenia about whether or not Armenians should attend the September 19 liturgy on the Lake Van island. The prevailing opinion appears to be against attending the event. But Artak Shakaryan, a leading specialist in Turkish studies in Armenia, believes that this occasion should be used as a precedent for the restoration of other Armenian churches in the territory of modern-day Turkey and for conducting liturgies in them. Online publication Lragir writes. “Obviously, the Turks ‘allow’ a liturgy in the Armenian church to show who is in the position of ‘allowing’. Going to Akhtamar with Turkey’s permission means only to recognize its right.” Genocide Institute-Museum Director Hayk Demoyan says Armenia’s participation should be of a reserved nature. “Armenia should appear there not at a high level, we should show that we understand that this is just a publicity stunt,” said Demoyan. Lawmaker from the governing Republican Party of Armenia Artak Zakaryan believes that the resumption of the activities of the church on the island of Akhtamar is another show staged by Turkey for domestic and foreign audiences. According to him, this show is aimed at improving the external and internal images of the Turkish authorities on the eve of the upcoming elections. In August, eight youth organizations of Armenia made an appeal for refusing to participate in the Surb Khach Church liturgy in Turkey. “According to our data, about 6,000 people have purchased tickets and on that day are going to take part in a show that the Turks organize in our occupied homeland. We demand that [Armenians] should refuse to attend this pro-Turkish event that derides Armenians. Every Armenian who wants to participate in this event should ask himself: where are the descendants and followers of the creators of this beautiful monument?” the organizations said. Meanwhile, New York-based pianist and composer of Armenian origin Shahan Artsruni said that on September 18, the eve of the liturgy at the Surb Khach Church, he will give a concert in Van. The musician says he is a descendant of King Gagik Artsruni who built the church. http://www.armenianow.com/arts_and_culture/24611/armenian_church_surb_khach_opening_september_19 Copyright © 2002-2009 ArmeniaNow.com All rights reserved.

INDIAN SUMMER- INDIAN GIVER In another thread we saw this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SQ9acTpB0ic http://i636.photobucket.com/albums/uu90/the_martian_cat/ATT001213.jpg The FR.term “Ete Indien” is well known phrase in Northeast US.”Indian Summer“ when in October and November, after much ice and frost we may have a warm day. I Have never used that phrase again since I learned the true demeaning meaning of it. Obviously Native Americans (aka Indians) don’t like the phrase, just like they don’t like another phrase “Indian Giver”. See below. My trees are already dressing in golden/tsirani/ծիրանի Autumn Foliage. Soon one of the least favorite chore of raking leaves will be upon us. When people from all over, specially those from southern states where there virtually there are no seasons of the year, will be flocking to view the golden (voski/tsirani) and red leaves, one of natures most spectacular shows. When the Burning Bush shrub and the Sumac turn crimson red. http://www.maddoxgardencenter.com/images/euonymus%20burning%20bush.jpg http://www.concordma.com/magazine/sepoct01/sumac.jpeg http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8kP8jPa1wCg Soon here in the North East, one of the most anticipated touristic season of Autumn Foliage will begin. http://www.scenicreflections.com/ithumbs/Free_Fall_Screensaver_3D_Gorgeous_Fall_Foliage_IW.jpg http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:IndianSummer.jpg A typical day within a period of "Indian Summer" It is somewhat reminiscent of another pejorative phrase “Indian Giver”, where it is inferred that Native Americans “gives with one hand and take with the other”. . ---- BTW. Since we are talking about falling leaves , anyone know this by O’Henry? “The Last Leaf”. When Sue, sick with pneumonia was convinced that she would “fall” when the last ivy leaf falls. Johnsy spends all night in freezing cold to paint a leaf on the wall. (S)he** freezes to death with brush in hand while sue lives. All of O’Henry’s short stories end with a surprise twist. http://www.online-literature.com/donne/1303/ ** Seems like Johnsy was a woman as well. Again. It is Johnsy who is dying, not Sue and the painter who freezes and dies of pneumonia is Mr. Behrman

ԶԱՐԹԻՐ ԼԱՕ ՄՌՆԻՄ ՔԶԻ Finally! Some of us are waking up from that deep comatic dream of lies and smelling the Haykakan Surj. And if you still believe in the fables of the boy who cried wolf. Rip Van Winkle slept for a hundred years. How long are we going to sleep. --- The following is totally and completely reconstructed by me as I don’t remember the original verssion. Փոքրիկ հովիւ մըն էր Միհրան Որ ամեն օր դաշտի վերան, Արածելու կերթար առտուն Փոքրիկ գիւղի ոչխարներուն: Մի օր մեր փոքր Միհրան, Գայլ, գայլ գոռաց անկիրթ տղան: Գեղացիներն եկան հասան, Ոչ գայլ տեսան եւ ոչ Միհրան: ==== Քահ, քահ խնդաց անկիրթ տղան: ===== Յաջորդ օրը , կրկին Միհրան , Գայլ, գայլ գոռաց սուտասան տղան: Ոչ մարդ եկաւ , ոչ մի գեղան: Գայլն յոշոտեց կերաւ նրան: Եւ ոչ մի մարդ լացաւ վերան: ----- GOOD NEWS!!! ԲԱՐԻ ԱՒԵՏԻՍ!!!! http://news.am/eng/news/29848.html ԷՇ ՄԱՅՐ ԱԹՈՌ Իշուն հարց են տուել թէ ինչու այդքան մեծ ականջ ունի: Երբ Աստուած անուանում էր ամեն կենդանիներին, էշը հազար անգամ վերադառնում էր եւ հարցնուն թէ ինչ է իր անունը: Եւ Աստուած, քաշելով նրայ ականջը մի հազար անգամ ասէ « քո անունը էշ է, էշ" : Եւ այդ մեծ իշու ականջը: http://blogs.lasvegascitylife.com/wp-content/media/2009/03/donkey88.jpg

Someone pleas help me. I still can’t find what those in Yerevan call the chess pieces. Below we will what everyone else calls them from A to Z Afrikaans to Welsh, no mention of Armenian. See what many people call those pices. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chess_piece Pay special attention to… English K king Q queen R rook B bishop N/Kt knight (P) pawn French R roi D dame T tour F fou** C cavalier (P) pion Échecs Latin K rex G regina T turris E episcopus Q eques (P) pedes Scacci Italian R re D donna T torre A alfiere C cavallo (P) pedone Arabic و وزير ر رخ/طابية ف فيل ح حصان ب بيدق/عسكري Hindi R राजा rājā V वज़ीर vajīr H हाथी hāthī O ऊँठ ūṁṭ G घोड़ा ghoṛā (P) प्यादा pyādā शतरंज Shatranj Persian ش شاه و وزیر ق/ر قلعه/رخ ف فیل ا اسب س سرباز شطرنج Note that the Persians, the Arabs and the Indians call the game “shatranj”. What I find intriguing that all three have the pieces as “king/shah”, the second in command (queen) as “wazir/prime mnister as in second in command. They call the rook “qal’a/castle and “rukh”, is it that fabulous bird in the Arabian Nights “ROC“***. The bishop is known as “pheel/fil/elephant” . The most interesting is how the Persians call the pawn “sarbaz”, the latins-”pedes”, and the Indians-”pyada” to mean “foot soldier” the lowest military rank. (Those idiots in the west of Armenia use that word in the same sense. Now I know what it really means piyade (infantry, infantryman, foot, infantries, pawn). Additional references: Turkish, Turkey, Bulgaria, foot soldier.). **This is very interesting that French call that piece(aka bishop) a “fou” to mean fool/jester . *** Arabian ROC/rokh/rook; http://www.mythfolklore.net/3043mythfolklore/images/arabian/arabian_dulac_sinbad_roc.jpg http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_CBxeD9L07z4/R6dQwERz8LI/AAAAAAAAAOo/O5qy5g9bbq0/s400/roc.jpg Do we call the King Levon or Serge, the Queen Shamiram, the Bishop Եպիսգոպոս, and the Rook Arin Berd, and the Pawn ... zibil/aghb?

ՇԱԽՄԱՏ CHECKMATE ՃԱՏՐԱԿ Both the English “checkmate” and the Armenian “shakhmat” , the last draw of the game mean the same- “shah mat” , a mixture of Perso- Arabic means the “king is dead”. Is the game an anti-imperial monarchy expression in disguise, even if the cliché in some monarchic empires is “the king is dead, long live the king/queen“? Are there any “chess-nuts” here? Hi Armat!! Btw. I know, better yet I DID know the moves even if I may have played it once or twice. Hey Armat! If this game is 4000 years old from India and Persia why is that piece called “bishop”, and what is the etymology of “rook/castle”? What do the Armenians call those and other pieces? ---- In another post we talked about chess in Shanghai; http://hyeforum.com/index.php?showtopic=17935&pid=274946&st=300entry274946 http://i697.photobucket.com/albums/vv335/fat0ninja/Chess-Board2.jpg

As the latest buzz is about “cross” or no “cross”, let’s take another look at the following, a compilation of our “crucified” ancestors. As indicated below the (partial) list is from a book by H. K Babesian - ՄԵՐ ԽԱՉԸ/OUR CROSS http://www.icmetal.com/church-supply/holly-cross/armenian-cross-grapes.jpg http://hyeforum.com/index.php?showtopic=11693&pid=144415&st=0entry144415

Why am I “manipulating” trying to keep this Forum alive? How much do I get paid? Where is the check/ money/dram/դրամ? Forgive me if I blaspheme here. I have been labeled a PAGAN , and I am proud of it. Anyone who even expreses the wish to attend that "circus" should first visit their psychiatrist. In my view the only way to counter that “three ring circus” at Aghtamar is to totally boycott it as when not even one Armenian attends it, all the way from Catholicos to the last grandmother. http://www.prekfurniture.com/images/_products/prekfurniture/3%20Ring%20Circus.jpg Three ring? 1. Van is a furkish town. 2. Akdamar is a furkish “church”. 3. Khach/hach imeans to bark հաչել Շունը կը հաչէ, կարաւանը կը քայլէ. In their non-language “It urur kervan yoerur” Can‘t you see how, once again we are being manipulated to further their deceitful agenda, blowing smoke (khounk/incense and candle soot մուր as in “lie սուտ“) to fool the world. ? Let them sing allahu ekber instead of TerVoghormia. Below it says that word comes to us from the French “main=hand”, yes, but consider the Latin Italian “man-mano” and listen t Pavarotti sing “Che Gelida Minina= How cold are your hands” from La Boheme. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6xMhpKh5IfY&feature=fvw Not to forget “manicotti=handbaked”. Manipulate= I will not tell about the other “manipulation” that in vulgar English is known as “hand job“.. --- The best Armenian I can find Manipulate=հմուտօրէն վարպետօրէն վարուել, հմտօրէն բանեցնել: Կեղծել, աղաւաղել, նենգափոխել** **Corrupt

No. Not really a Comedistan material but could not resist. http://www.panorama.am/en/sport/2010/09/03/aronyan1/ AHH!!! Finally. We go back to our ancestral home Shang Hay Շանգ Հայ Where did he sleep ? At the Hotel Mamikounian? Did he meet his uncle Vardan? http://www.ljplus.ru/img4/m/a/martina_dostali/451_thelaststand.jpg And here is the (chess) king of China http://www.faqs.org/photo-dict/photofiles/list/5568/7291chess_king.jpg One wonders if he saw Hagarag, tandzr glokhian our ambassador to China “shangai/shanghai-ing” is an American slang, it is interesting to see its origin and allegory.

It is back to school time, the University of Prevarications of ankaga is in full swing. It is also the fall season in TV-land with new and improved comedies at the comedy club of istanpoo. . :puh: ------ First the comedy club; Sieg heil mein fuehrer!! :jerry: This could be funny if it were not sad! ---- Comedian of the decade; http://www.armeniano...davutoglu_0.jpg ---- His mentor, comedian of all times; http://www.istockphoto.com/file_thumbview_approve/350336/2/Sieg_Heil_.jpg --- http://news.am/eng/news/29550.html Turkish FM arrives at Armenia-Turkey border ---- And now back to Liars’ Club; The old adage goes- You fool me once, shame on you! You fool me twice, three times, four times…. SHAME ON ME!!! How many lies does it take for us to wake up? Fortunately those so called "diplomats" of ours woke up from a deep of furkish dope, just in the nick of time to stop that shameful proctocol. After centuries of lies, like there never was an Armenian people, just Christians furks…, fast forward., to one shameful blunder after another, the likes of that stupid (no preconditions) proCTOcols, to the “opening of borders in two weeks”, and now the latest “three ring circus” of Aghtamar, yes a church, no a museum, yes a cross, no, no cross (technical problems) until after, meaning after the world media cameras are turned off and once again Aghtamar is shrouded in darkness…??? Yet, there are some fools among us insisting that we should attend that circus to show world that Aghtamar and Van are Armenian towns. LIARS COME IN ALL SHAPES AND COLORS, all the way from the clowns in ankaga and comedian governor of Van. http://news.am/eng/news/29659.html

Only if that French clown knew the true meaning of "Indian Summer"!!?? I will stop here, to later let us know the true and pejorativlely insulting meaning of the phrase.

Should not this monument been erected at Yerablur or Tsitsernakaberd? http://www.armeniapedia.org/images/thumb/d/d3/Yerablur.jpg/400px-Yerablur.jpg http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/7c/Tzitsernakapert.jpg http://www.armenianow.com/sites/default/files/img/imagecache/600x400/narekatsi_ff.jpg | 02.09.10 | 16:45 http://www.armenianow.com/multimedia/feature_photo/24575/stone_narek_or_book_of_lamentation http://hyeforum.com/index.php?showtopic=15870&pid=197532&st=0entry197532 http://armenianhouse.org/grigor-narekatsi/prayer1.html Wall of lamentations Լացի պատ; http://il.youtube.com/watch?v=-AUDbejO7-w&feature=related

Sieg heil mein fuehrer!! :jerry: This could be funny if it were not sad! ---- Comedian of the decade; http://www.armenianow.com/sites/default/files/img/imagecache/600x400/davutoglu_0.jpg ---- His mentor, comedian of all times; http://www.istockphoto.com/file_thumbview_approve/350336/2/Sieg_Heil_.jpg --- http://news.am/eng/news/29550.html Turkish FM arrives at Armenia-Turkey border

ԱՂԱՆԴ CULT ԵՂԾ ԱՂԱՆԴՈՑ Curse the cults. Can everyone see the following by Yeznik Koghbatsi Եզնիկ Կողբացի եՂԾ ԱՂԱՆԴՈՑ/ Yeghts Aghandots, Rejection/Condemnation of Cults, 440 AD Even though Yeznik'’s objects were the still unrelenting adherents to other non-Christian practices, some latter day writers have quoted passages to apply to the likes of Paulicians and Thontrakians. http://www.digilib.am/Second_Page/page0.html Below from Hetq , where it is implied that the cults are on the way of decline. I have included both the English and the Armenian version for us to compare the nuances of “language”. Note that in the English the word “evangelical” is used , and in the Armenian “եհովայի վկաները” i.e Jehovah’s witnesses . Evangelicals are as averse, if not more to those other idiots. In fact the Evangelicals'’ main mission and battle cry is to stem the spread of those other idiotic cult/mults,աղանդ մաղանդ. Evangelicals are neither a CULT nor are they a SECT. It is a DENOMINATION of the same rligion just like Catholicism, Orthodoxy, or even Apostolicism. Sunnis and Shiites are sects as they revere a different savior/prophet, there are no Armenian SECTS”we all revere the one SAVIOR/PROPHET JESUS”. Rmember when Christianity was "cult" and its followers were crucified, burned at the stake and otherwise persecuted? ՅԳ. Յովաննէս, խնդրեմ մեզ գրիր ԵՂԾ եւ ԱՂԱՆԴ բառերի մասին: http://hetq.am/en/society/garegin-b-2/

GOOD FOR HIM!!! Note that Antelias, Beirut and Aleppo are closer to Marash/Sis than Yerevan is to Van. http://hetq.am/en/diaspora/38552/ Maybe before all those intending to attend should learn how recite the Lord’s Prayer Hayr Mer this way. http://www.thirdpresbyterian.com/lordpray.html Holding this up http://static2.bigstockphoto.com/thumbs/3/1/2/large2/2135894.jpg instead of this. http://www.icmetal.com/church-supply/holly-cross/armenian-cross-grapes.jpg Or, how about they learn to sing , DerVoghormia like this in Arabic

Bring him over. Let me sing Qoun Eghir Balas as I have sung to my children (btw, I can sing, and I have sung it many times) It must be sung in a whisper, unlike our goddess diva Gohar where the way she sings would wake up even the dead. Of course, we know that at the time she was at her last “breath” and had to PUSH and scream. This is the worst rendition of the song. How does a baby sleep at that shrill screaming? Let me sing with my velvety baritone. I lost all respect listening to this. Is that how a mother sings? Is she lulling a baby to sleep or to wake up the dead? Why does not she sing Wake up my Child/ԶարթիրԼաօ? The way she sings even I have to cover my ears to save my hearing. I don't know who this singer is? She may as well be my mother , my sister, my wife or my da ughter. Obviously, judging from the diction a western Armeian. This is how I would sing it. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vTGQD_QK4BA&feature=related

Yervant, in fact you are right. It is perhaps an unwriiten rule, that at least in the Western, it is usually "ian" except when between two vowels, where the I turns to Y, like in Papayan it becomes պապա Յան even if at times some may still insist to write it as "papa-Y-ian baba-Y-ian/բաբա-Յ-եան/ պապա-Յ-եան"

Yes hos em. Can we please,please, and bleeze again!!! Can we please remove or hide that stupid thread about "Death of Robert Kardashian"? Why is it that every time I open the Forum someone is reading that stupid thread? What kind of parameters do our rzeaders use? What keyword do they use to land on it? That is beside the G word? Do any our readers use keywords like Aram K, Komitas, Paruyr? Can we also move that subject topic of the Big G under another topic, like History, National etc, or OUR BIG PAIN? https://godsnuts.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2009/01/prep-h-joke.jpg

In another post we talked about the name “INGA” where I asked if that meant “I have fallen”. And if “@nka/@nketsik/ fallen/ինկած” has anything to” with “fallen woman/ընկեցիկ/ինկեցիկ/ինկած(loose fallen woman, miscarriage/abortion)”? What is Inga? Is it like the Armenian "ինկայ" like in "I have fallen/I am a fallen woman"? Is this a stroke of "genius" or what? ** Եկել է Ռուսերէնից/from the Russian? When did the Russians invent words like "genius, ingenious, ingenu"? Whatever happened to Armenian words like "hunar հունար, hunaravor, հունարաւոր, քանքարաւոր talented/տաղանդաւոր genius/հանճար?** **We will see what հանճար/genius means. Or, is that an Armnian town in Lebanon? http://www.aztagdaily.com/DisplayNews.php?ID=38919 http://hyeforum.com/...=1entry132775 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v8wE6D98m1c&feature=related Christ with the Woman Taken in Adultery, http://www.womeninthebible.net/images/woman_9.jpg ----