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ՄԵԾԱՄՈՐ METSAMOR (For some mysterious reason I cannot copy and paste the text. See the pictures of some of the excavated artifacts . Also see the Armenian version just to see the corresponding words and terms.) ---- The historic; http://www.welcomearmenia.com/main.php?lang=eng&page=attractionsinarmenia&sid=465 And the modern; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Metsamor_aerien.jpg ---- Also see, among many here when we spoke about the etymology of the name Metsamor; http://hyeforum.com/index.php?showtopic=7242&pid=77565&st=0entry77565

Related. Whta's next? http://news.am/eng/news/32084.html

Yes. Why is it that we wear this from cradle to the grave http://www.achikian.com/images/jewelry/SmallArmenianCross.jpg But we get offended when others wear This http://www.thegalileeexperience.com/store/images/uploads/JSP001/JSP001.jpg Or this http://www.zahras.com/NameJewelry/AllahPendant/IMGP9294.jpg To them those symbols are as sacred.

ՈՒԽՏ ԵՐԴՈՒՄ ԽՕՍՏՈՒՄ Of late the word “pilgrimage” has been used in many contexts. Pledge Oath Promise Here we spoke about Ughtasar; http://www.armeniapedia.org/images/a/a7/Ughtasar_lake-dcp6220.jpg In the Yerevan Russo-Slav transliteration it will be written “uxtasar”** where we don’t know if they mean ՈՒԽՏԱՍԱՐ/Pilgrimage Summit or ՈՒՂՏԱՍԱՐCamel Summit. There may be a method to this madness. Look at the picture above. http://www.armeniapedia.org/index.php?title=Ughtasar_Petroglyphs http://hyeforum.com/index.php?app=core&module=search&section=search&do=quick_search&search_app=core&fromsearch=1 Of late the word is used daily. We have talked about Ուխտագնացում/ Pilgrimage here; http://hyeforum.com/index.php?showtopic=4611&st=0&p=36349&hl=pilgrimage&fromsearch=1entry36349 From the Armatakan; The monograph goes further to say that the word is also found in Arabic, Persian and Sanskrit as “UXT”. See here the Arabo-Persian “ ’aht” عهد Some others use that word to mean “promise”. At times we also call the Testaments as Հին Ուխտ, Նոր Ուխտ. See what they call the New Testament, Նոր Կտակարան "عهد جدید‘Aht Jedid” The ridiculous. I have seen some who pledge to not cut the hair of their male children until it is done in Jerusalem. One wonders what those gender confused boys grow up to be? Above- respectively. Firm word/promise, firm suggestion, alliance. At one time, aside from the pilgrimages to Jerusalem we also did at sites of the likes below***. Մշո Առաքելոց և Սուրբ Կարապետի վանքեր. Immortalized by Barsegh Kanachian’s masterpiece oratorio NANOR**** (I wish I could find sample audio-video of it. Where it goes chngli zim mour\az@s tour, zim srti sirti sirats@ tour while “changli” means “full of church bells” some have interpreted it as “chengelli”. (“chengel” is some peoples’ interpretation of “jungle”. Yestertimes. http://akunq.net/am/wp-content/uploads/2010/02/jpg182 http://mw2.google.com/mw-panoramio/photos/small/34926611.jpg http://pics.livejournal.com/noni_no/pic/0000zkyg/s320x240 Today. http://www.imegaservice.com/modules/westarm/images/12324511020.jpg The best known pilgrimage was to Jerusalem. And those who did and received a tattoo would be known as “haji”. Is this the origin of “pilgrimage? The Three Magi; http://76.163.178.94/images/dreamstime_1120768magi-star.jpg BTW. The phrase “under God” was not in the original version. It was later added- Shall we re-amend that phrase and add “under allah, under jehovah, under mormon, under buddha , under khoda? Allegiance=loyalty=հաւատարմանք. ****Since then many Armenians girls were named NANOR. Did Barsegh name his oratorio for a daughter of his? I can’t find the meaning and origin of the name NANOR. Is it a combination of “Nane” and “oror”? Speaking of “oath-promise-pledge”, does anyone remember the Pledge of Allegiance of the Armenian Scouts that goes something like this- “Պատւոյս վրայ կերդնում ըլլալ հաւատարիմ Աստուծոյ…” which seems to be a translation from the English. -- An aside. Who remembers ? I can barely remember. I have forgotten who had written it or the story. “Ուխտագնացութիւն Դէպի Քելվահար” Note “քելվահար”. Substitute the ՎV with ԲB and the J with Յ Հ and see what you get. “kelbajar”???

ARMENIAN SCHOOLS?? A quote from below. I don’t understand!!! An altogether another issue? AHHH!! Do you remember the debate about that "WA ‘s speak 'ashkarapar' ”? --- http://news.am/eng/news/32080.html ----- Related perhaps? Se what that clown is talking about again. Deserves a whole separate topic, HIDDEN ARMENIANS???;. http://news.am/eng/news/32050.html

What an imbecile bastard of osman!!! So he wants to be buried in stambokh? Does he expect to buried like this; http://www.stnersess.edu/images/pressRelease/GBL-ClergyDig.jpg Or like this? http://blog.cleveland.com/world_impact/2008/07/large_RedCoffinsTurkey_Explosions_Meye.JPG We will bury him in our backyard cesspool and septic tank.Under this; http://silvercreekhabitat.com/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderpictures/009_7outhouse.jpg Stupid idiot!!! I have met other stambokh armenians(?) who would have nothing to do with othere Armenians, all their friends are turks,they would only go the Armenian church not to pray but to eat kokma, kakma and kakstrma.

So! You still read his hallucinatorial garbage? I don't. I stopped over twenty years ago. Please read Ara B again and tell us when he has said anything good about us. He is the ultimate facsimile of osman, the most ottoman of all ottomans. His only wish is that we trash all our bosses, bishops, charlatans, and panjunis and go back to the "good old days" of osman. I he only knew that he is the "poster child" of "punchuni"s.** He is the perfect example of the Patty Hearst/Stockholm Syndrome. Եթէ նա մի նոր "բան չունի" ասելիք, he'd better go to his cell and practice the old art of infertile excercise. **Is it because no one pays for his gobbldigook anymore? The only one responding to him is that other one in the mirror.Even our lovely Grand Lady Louise Kiffer will ot respond to him. PS. Armenak,we have known you for quite some time. Please write an article, a paragraph with more than three words and let us know your concept of Armenian Culture. If you don't have access to the paper editions, there are many sources, some of them on the Internet. It does not have to be in the Armenian text. We will understand it perfectly.

http://www.armenianow.com/sites/default/files/img/imagecache/600x400/akhtala.jpg http://www.armenianow.com/arts_and_culture/24857/akhtala_church_reconsecration_amap_vivacellmts

Yes Zartonk. My original message was how the epics of neighboring people are so similar. However. I have the paper edition of that epic by Firdawsi in English and I have read it several times. Is it not the reverse that Rustam the father kills Sohrab the son?

Someone should have cut the tongue of that idiot "dil-acar/ dil-achar" literally-"tongue opener"**, and broken the writing finger of that other idiot who devised the "signature". Armat, have you read the threads where some of us so proudly and nostalgically speak about our contributions to the ottoman culture? **You wish he had placed his tongue somewhere else.We know waht "aralez/haralez" means, how about "orralez"?

Inch or dou chi haskatsar, nmanapes yes al chi haskatatsa the parsikner@ inch en asoum. Goutse mer Parskahay baekamner@ mezi batsadren. Zartonk@ arden pataskhanel e. Theyev ir ougharkadz patker@ chi parzvoum. PS. Yes Sipin sramit glkhi panirin mazin isk chem dpchi.

Sireli Mos, khndrem krkin karda im veri mejberum@ yev tes sa togher@; AT the time I did not get into the details, the way Homanishneri Bararan lists “Դալարուկ=Աշորուկ, ձիտարոտ, շատակեաց որոմ”. This is not nice. As to how such a tender word as "dalsr" ends up to mean weed/oron**. Very little is said about “dalarouk” , except that it points to no good., where as above it points to among others ”,շատակեաց(perennial) ՈՐՈՄ ” . It turns out “orom/vorom” is a weed that competes with wheat. Ryegrass. From the Armatakan; Ryegrass; http://www.hcs.ohio-state.edu/hcs412/species/p_ryegrass1a.jpg **BTW Searching oron/որոն one will see that it is mentioned even in the Bible.

http://news.am/eng/news/31800.html BTW. The surname “cherchiyan” is in fact of Armenian origin. In their non-language “cherhchi/cerci” means peddler/փերեզակ/street vendor, based on the Armenian word “jarr/ճառ/oration” when the merchants and street vendors would announce/orate the virtues of their merchandise. And when we talk about "rag buyer/sellers not to forget the surname of "chaput-ji-ian". Rag=tsntsoti/ցնցոտի Rag peddler/cherchi; http://www.latinamericanstudies.org/immigration/jewish-rag-peddlers.jpg http://hyeforum.com/index.php?showtopic=30366&pid=275446&st=0entry275446

I hate to deviate from the main theme. In another topic "What rae Listening" I brought up the similarity of Sassountsi David and Rustam/Sohrab. See; ---- Where are our frieds of Pers-Armenian/ParskaHay background? I don't want to name names, lest I do unjustice to some. They know who they are. Yes, you too "parskahav" panir glokh http://www.nashvillescene.com/imager/i-got-a-little-red-rooster/b/original/1481741/3a6f/rjf_rooster.jpg

I had heard about this opera by Loris but never seen samples of it. Observe the “uniforms” of the artists. Is the soprano Darya Persian born educated? She is beautiful just as her voice. The epic Rustam and Sohrab by Firdawsi is reminiscent of David of Sassoun. ---- Ps. Is it me or does everyone else hear it? Every time I open this thread the background “Inchi Hamar” in the background overwhelms the music at hand.

http://hyeforum.com/index.php?showtopic=12586&st=0&p=155314&hl=dalar&fromsearch=1entry155314

And the rockets' red glare The bombs bursting in air... http://news.am/pic/news/31613.jpg Gave proof through the night That our FLAG was still there. http://www.armenica.org/collection/Symbols/Arms/gerb.gif

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/74/Armenia_Haghbat.jpg ՀԱՂՊԱՏԱՎԱՆՔ also known as ՀԱՂՊԱՏ To the southwest of Akhtala is another gem of Sacred Armenian Architecture, the Monaatery of Hagpat ՀԱՂՊԱՏԱՎԱՆՔ also known as ՀԱՂՊԱՏ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haghpat_Monastery http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/3d/Map_of_Haghpat.gif ---- Note; The debacle of to cross or not to cross at Aghtamar, see how many crosses there in the above picture.

AH!! SO!!! Now we wake up after the SHOW is over. Sad to say I had to use such provocative language. I had been daily posting references to the event under the Topic of BORDERS http://hyeforum.com/index.php?showtopic=22700 With not even a word, not a whisper in response. Maybe now we can hear our opinions about that “Greatest Show on Earth” that even Barnum and Bailey could not produce. Me? I would not have taken part in that SHOW for all the “tea”** in China, beside that church is one of my least desirable landmarks. There is a crude saying; “After the holiday is over, apply the henna where the sun does not shine”. Maybe now we can hear our pros and cons about attending, not attending. **There is no (letter)“T” in “china.”

Anyone know the identity and the background of this correspondent at Hetq? Is he in fact an Armenian or is he using that sacred name of Hrant Dink to cover his real identity? Is he an undercover agent of ankaka? Հրանդ Կատարիկյան Hrant Katarikyan Hetq” seems to have a much appreciated style of Investigative Reporting. This article by Hrant is highly disturbing to say the least, where he laments the fact WE, be it citizens of Armenia and the Diaspora did not participate in that farcical fantasy show in thousands and millions to show them that we exist. Like those SSO-s care? All they care is our Dollars and Drams. I can’t blame the Armenians from Polis attending, after all they are citizens of that “country” and they had to support their “patriarch”. Let me ask this for the zillionth time. Does anyone among us know anyone personaally that attended that “circus”? BTW. Their media is still reporting that “thousands” did attend. Like, how about less than a “hundred”, all from stambol? We also read that some local “furks” and Kurds also came, but they fail to say that those are “hidden Armenians”. Here is a story about one of those so called ”furks”; http://news.am/eng/news/31462.html http://hetq.am/en/society/akhtamar/

Is that her personal name or her family name? Yervant is right. It is Italian, probably based on "bella" beautiful as in "belladonna". There are several Italian words formed of "bella". Googling will show several entries where "bellasi/bellassi" is a family name, the most famous of them being Guglielmo Bellasi the maker of the Bellasi race car. http://www.wheelsofitaly.com/wiki/images/thumb/b/ba/BELLASI_race_car.jpg/200px-BELLASI_race_car.jpg

ՃԱՐ ՃԱՌ Means- Oration In another post we spoke about “architecture” http://hyeforum.com/index.php?showtopic=30365&pid=275397&st=0entry275397 Now let us see what it all means. Անճար and Անճառ No, no. It is not that Armenian town in Lebanon. http://www.mousaler.com/anjar/ The latter means "spechless" an the former means "helpless" Soap box orator in London. http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/12/Danny_Lambert.jpg http://musicload.com/soapbox.jpg It is funny how the “soap-box” and the Armenian “ojar-soap/օ- ճառ” coincide. As in Ով Հայ ժողովուրդ… While the latter ճառ means “oration/sermon” ճառտասան orator բաժակաճառ toast The former “jar/ճար” (note the Ր-RE and the Ռ-Ra)means "means/way". ՃԱՐՏԱՐԱՊԵՏ Above we see “tekton” defined as “builder”. The paper edition says “worker”.. Consider the word “tact” to touch, i.e work with one’s hands, “touch“.*** As to “master builder/master worker” In the Armenian it is Jartarapet/Ճարտարապետ . Պետ as in master and ճարտար as in skillful. With all due respects to the god of our poetry. Դարդըդ տանեմ, ցաւըդ տանեմ? See "yar", "yara", "zouloum","dard". Which of the former words Armenian? Above we see the word “jar/ճար” used a few times. The first “jar/char”** means “means” the other means “chara” . Let’s see what Avetik is saying. That there is a “way”(remedy) but no one will show him the “way”. Also, note above that one of the definitions of “architect” is “carpenter”. Are they saying.- those who could not handle stone chose to handle wood? Consider the Arabic word “najar/najjar” and all the Armenians with surnames of Najarian. **A friend of mine “nacharian” , not “najarian” ,says it means “na-char/ helpless/անճարակ”. ***So. If “tech” means “touch” What is the Armenian word for “technique”? Please don’t say տէխնիկա:

Is the CIRCUS over? http://www.clown-ministry.com/images/GlenLittle-chof91.jpg Now that farcical fantasy, cat and mouse cartoon comedy is over. Shall we wait another 6 months for April 24, and another year for another mickey mouse show at Aghtamar? Cat and mouse game? Did mehmet compose these cartoons? Which is Tom, which is Jerry? Doses anyone here know personally anyone who attended or intended to attend that circus? Please show us those 50,000, 5,000, 500 or even 300 are. http://www.worldbulletin.net/news_detail.php?id=64100 Watch the video before it is taken off. http://webtv.hurriyet.com.tr/1/9794/0/1/yuzlerce-ermeni-akdamar-a-geldi.aspx http://news.am/eng/news/31473.html --- Let me ask this again. How many of us know anyone in person that intended, did attend that “circus”. Please name names. First it was reported that 50,000 were expected that hotels were reserved to capacity and the rest would lodge in local houses. Shortly, the figure was reduced, a 0 was removed to 5,000. And now we see this. Ah!! That numbers game again. How many Armenians were murdered between 1894 and 1923? 2,000,000 or 200,000? And how many furks did the Armenians murder? 3,000,000-30,000,000? You wish!!! I doubt even the number 350-400. Don’t they mean 3 to 4, i.e that loyal hostage at-esh-ian** and a couple of his sidekick clergy who pray to “Our allah who art in heaven /Ալլահ մեր որ յերկինքն ես“? http://www.panorama.am/en/politics/2010/09/19/hurriyet/ **Does anyone remember the last time he visited Ejmiatsin? PS. Will someone tell us what Mutafian’s sickness is? All we hear is that he has “dementia” (definition?). Is his illness medical or political, be internal (rivalry) or external? He seemed hale and robust in 2007 opening of Aghtamar , and next we heard he was ill???? Have any independent neurologist/psychiatrists examined him? Reminiscent of Komitas when he was declared insane when he may have only had a temporary nervous breakdown/exhaustion.

SACRED ARCHITECTURE We wasted so much precious capital, be they financial, political and EMOTIONAL talking about a “church” in a neighboring hostile country. With this post my wish is to begin a topic to,list all the Sacred Sites in Armenia. WE may have spoken about many of them in a variety of topics, it may be suitable to collect them all under a specific Topic. Let us begin at top, and go as far down as Tetev in the south and east and west.. Please add as you see fit. AKHTALA Did you know where and what it is? I did not. I have no idea when and why the village was named so. See Akhtala here, notheast of Alaverdi; http://www.armsite.com/maps/mshow.phtml?when=now&slide=2 http://www.armeniapedia.org/images/1/13/Akhtala_monastery_P1001843.jpg http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Armenia_location_map.svg http://www.panorama.am/g_image.php?id=115316&t=b http://www.panorama.am/en/society/2010/09/18/lori-axtala/ http://www.armeniapedia.org/index.php?title=Akhtala_Monastery

CNN Aghtamar; http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d0FjOApGB0A