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Moush and Dersim Armenian music. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iHAWXuOEHCg Surp Garabed; http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MIadyvhsB1w&feature=related Hoynar http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=otnJP0JdL1I&feature=related And this is special for MosJan-Hala Hala; http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=280GTJzUzw0&feature=related AND MANY MORE I may repost this under art and music as well. BTW. I just learned that "dersim" is Zaza Kurdish term to mean "silver door/gate".

Hi MosJan. For some reason the site won't open. See post #320 above.

DERSIM ====== Is Dersim an Armenian name? It does not ring a bell. Very little is written about it. Was it known by another Armenian name before? What is the origin of the name Dersim? Is it an acronym of Der(Ter)Simeon, or is an Assyrian/Chaldean name where in their language “der” means convent as in Der Zor/Deir El Zor, or “Deir ul Arman”, the Armenian convent/Հայոց Վանք in Jerusalem. Is Diar as in "diar-bekir" have anything to do with it? ==== http://news.am/eng/news/38701.html http://news.am/pic/news/38701.jpg Where is Dersim? It is now known as Tuncheli a name we used to hear daily during the height of the Kurdish insurgence. Southwest of Kharberd (elazig) and northwest of Tigranakert now known as Silvan. **Why the Persian name Mihran? Is it because his grandfather was named so? How about a name like Aram, Armen or Hayk? Not to forget that Mihran is a takeoff of the Armenian god Mihr.

Yes Harut. I knew it was in sarcasm, but I chose to expand on it anyway.

Read the above article more carefully to see what Mr. Azadian is saying. Mr. Azadian is a diehard Ramkavar. Above, after a few nice words the article is full of diatribes towards the “opposition”. As he being a sworn Ramkavar I’ll give you one guess as to who those “oppositions” are .

Yes, Yervant. What a fisaco that Ari Toun/Արի Տուն is. For every diasporan immigrating? (show me) a 1000 are emigrating. You don't want your lifefless carcass be found in a highway ditch. How do those “moron”s in Yerevan take us in the Diaspora for “itiots” http://hyeforum.com/index.php?showtopic=21251&st=20&p=260635&hl=berberian&fromsearch=1entry260635 http://hyeforum.com/index.php?showtopic=10496&st=0&p=138748&hl=najarian&fromsearch=1entry138748

Yes Dear Harut. Have you seen pictures like this. These are pictures of our dear mothers, fathers, brothers and sisters; http://comps.fotosearch.com/bigcomps/BLD/BLD014/jp2006_0003360.jpg

WHY!!! When we were at that hotel, one of my dear friends who has very sore knees needed assistance to climb up those steep steps. And that is when she swore to never again visit Yerevan.

ԵՀՈՎԱ ՄԵՀՈՎԱ In the language of those who hold the trademark- “jewhovah-schmehova”. For a long time I was under impression that most of the adherents to that cult were former protestants. Ilearned otherwise, that most of them are former so called catholics, jews and others who may have heard the name of Jesus and “jehovah” for the first time, including those who profess to be the “first Christian Apostolics”. As a rule, “Protestants” don’t need anyone to tell them what the “message” says. They know Jesus’ message, the Gospel, aside from all that pagan rite of burning incense and reciting mumbo-jumbo that no one understands. How can we blame those who seek other means to understand the “MESSAGE”? Me? I don’t need to know what those “yehovah/mehovah”s to tell me. I have been a Christian LOOOONGGGGG before they were born. We have known "Astuats" God long before we heard of "jewhova". The Armenian word is more correct as the “yahweh” latinized as “jahweh/jehowa”where Y=J as in Johann-Yohann. It is curious how the Latin-Italians write “Giovanni” Information on Giyovanni Bellini Head of St. John the Baptist painting http://www.famous-painters.org/B-Painters/Giovanni-Bellini-paintings/paintings/Giovanni-Bellini-20.jpg and the Gremans- Johann. Johann Sebastian Bach; http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/6a/Johann_Sebastian_Bach.jpg First this. http://www.armenianow.com/social/human_rights/25784/jehovah_witnesss_killed_parents http://www.armenianow.com/social/human_rights/25784/jehovah_witnesss_killed_parents And, of course there are idiots of the like. Yes a dog, a sonofabitch ordered him to kill; http://karisable.com/skazberk.htm Btw, that idiot, later in life in prison became a Christian. Yeah, right!!! Like Red Skelton would say “Here they come again”!! And then this. http://www.armenianow.com/social/human_rights/25877/jehovahs_witnesses_armenia

Too little, too late!! The licenses of all those so called architects and building designers should be revoked, and designing such buildings and sidewalks should be deemed a criminal act. To repeat myself, it is assumed that alll natives and visitors are 18 year old gymnasts, considering that most visitors are senior citizens some in wheelchairs. --- ---- Here we are not talking about buildings that were built a 100 years ago. Both of the below were built during this decade. See how steep the access is, in fact it is much steeper than shown in the pictures. Was it designed so that the churchgoers pay their penitence even before entering? Observe that there are no 80-90 year olds in this picture. http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/8b/Cathedrale-erevan003.jpg This hotel, just as many was built only 5 or 6 years ago. See how steep the entrance is. Let me ask again. Why are all buildings in Yerevan, be they private or public are build with 5 to 10 flights of stairs above the sidewalk? Some have suggested that it is a means of flood control. You wish ?? When was the last flood in Yerevan? http://www.visitarm.com/Europe_hotel/images/frontview.jpg ==== BTW. The topic of this thread is Sayter Mayter ՍԱՅԹԵՐ ՄԱՅԹԵՐ ՍԱՅԹ- ՍԱՅԹԱՔ Ոտքը ահիլ to slide, to slid. At times “սայթաքիլ/saytaqil” is used to mean “to stumble, to fall” as in “falling into sin“. ՄԱՅԹ Sidewalk. The Armatakan does not give us the etymology except that, apparently it is new word.. Is it a takeoff on “sayt” as sayt/mayt, ator/mator/ seghan/meghan, yegha/megha??

Ապրիս Ապրէս Սիրելի Անի, Ինձ այնքան յուզմունք պատճառեցիր: Ցաւըդ տանեմ: Տխուր, շատ տխուր: Յուսամ գիշերներում անդորր քուն ես վայելում: Անի, Անուշ քուն, Բարի երազ: Ես ալ յաճախ երազեմ իմ վաղեմի դասընկեր խաղընկերներին, որք բարեբախտաբար այսօր երջանիկ ծնողք, յաջող մտաւորական, բարգավաճ քաղաքացիներ են դարձել տարածուել երկրագունդի չորս անկիւններում Երկրագունդը չորս անկիւնաւոր չէ: Այո: Ապրէք երեխէք, բայց մեզ պէս չապրէք օտար ամայի ճամբեքի վրայ: Հին բայց միշտ նոր:

Yes. Of course! Here is a picture of so called azer-boobi “khachkar” in Shushi. Does this mean that those azer-savages are turning back to their “christian/albanian” heritage? http://weecheng.com/europe/caucasus/am/karabakh/shushi-mosque.jpg Or, is this the sculptor of their “khachkars”? Their “kardash/ՔԱՐՏԱՇ” http://scrapetv.com/News/News%20Pages/Everyone%20Else/images-3/Ayatollah-Khomeini.jpg http://www.picturesof.net/_images_300/Peruvian_Hand_Drum_Royalty_Free_Clipart_Picture_081001-030614-007042.jpg

Nostalgia!!??! ԿԱՐՕՏ!!?? Verrry Interrresting! Thought provoking, even if at times highly controversial. I reluctantly post this under the Topic of Natioanl. My wish is that our ads, and mods see it fit to initiate a Subject Topic of “Opinion/Գաղափար” ---- http://hetq.am/en/politics/43203/

Of all the stupid cults like Jehovah’s and Mormons, anyone here heard of ՇԱԲԱԹԱՊԱՀ/shabatapah cult? I have. A long time ago a few of my schoolmates were known to have been from a family of “shabatapah”s, observers of the Sabbath. Are they still alive? Does it sound like the Christian Scientists? Btw. Recenetly there was a big story about a young man murdering is own parents and attributing that Jehovah had ordered him. There are insane people in every society and “religious” culture. As to why there are so many parent hating children is another subject, what choice the child have but to turn to other cults when both parents are alcohol and other drug addicted child and spouse abusers. http://www.armenianow.com/social/human_rights/25784/jehovah_witnesss_killed_parents Here is my question. Why are we Armenians such “shabatapahh”s ? Does the world media, or your local newspaper shut down over the weekend? Who is more shabatapah? MY MAIN QUESTION. Why do all Armenian news media shut down over the weekend, all the way from Friday Sunset to Monday Sunrise? When did the Week in Armenia contract from seven days to five, Monday to Friday where everything is shut down in between Friday and Monday? Does it mean we all go to sleep between Friday and Monday, or we all go picnicking at Khor Virap? Make that “khor mrap/խոր մրափ** deep nap/sleep. ** Somehow connected to “morph/sleep” as in “morphine”. Is it related to “mort” as in dead? --- Nine to Five?; http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mpKAA2VxWY8 Once I had a colleague, a daughter of a minister who , much to the consternation of her own parents refused to attend to her graduation ceremony on a Sunday because it was on the “Day of the Lord”. Me? I have worked from the 0 hour to 25, and from 25 to 0 all my life. Those idiots!! If we are Christians as some say we are then read the Bible, no not that old fartement, but the New Tetament and see what Jesus said about it;

Somehow related to this subject. See the reference to Yerevan (highlighted). Curious to know what his suggested capital would have been. What was the capital of “armenia”** immediately before Yerevan? **Note the lower case “a” above. The idea being, for almost a millennium before 1918 there was not a sovereign state known as Armenia."armenia" is an amorphous entity spreading all the way from Stepanakertd to stanbol,from Abaran to Aberdeen, from Gavar to Glendale. ----- * Boghos, see the reference to Brasilia that we have spoken before. --- http://hetq.am/en/world/43114/

Has anyone read Shahan Shanours's "Hrazharim Hayuteneh/Հրաժարիմ Հայութենէ"/ "I Resign of Armenianness"? "Well said Boghos, that was my immediate reaction as well. The English word “moping” comes to mind, it is like when a spoiled child having been ”so good” all year, Santa Claus does not bring him his favorite toy. The Armenian word for megalomania is metsamolutyun մեծամոլութիւն ** փառասիրութիւն- vainglory, lover of glory and adoration,another Armenian term is "ՍՆԱՓԱՌ/snapar/vanglorious" as why he is not adored and worshipped, his statue was not erected at the Central Square. You used the correct word “whining”, why no one even acknowledged his letters and e-mails. Let’s read it again and see if what he has done is not tantamount to stalking and harassment. It is reminiscent of the anecdote where Kaj Nazar was infatuated with the queen of England, he sent her love letters daily. Finally, the queen responds asking him to cease and desist and that she uses his letter as toilet paper. From there on Kaj Nazar wrote his letter on sand paper. **Observe the connection of the Greek “mega” and the Armenian “մեծ/mets”. PS. In all fairness, we should also consider the attitude of those in yerevan. Send us your lumas and please keep your advice and opinions to youselves, rightfully so I may add. I.e., If you want to run the country your way, then move over. Reminds us the times, when in early 90's the diasporans were castigating the natives for moving out, many reponded, in direct or indirect manner; "We lived and endured here for decades, it is now your turn". I don’t remember it all. I will make up some of it. There once was a vainglorious/ՍՆԱՓԱՌ. Սնափառ մը կար փոքրիկ Հազիւ վեց էր իր տարիք Օր մը ըսաւ իր միտքեն Մեծ բարոն մ'եմ ես արդեն Հագաւ հօրը պատմուճան Առաւ պապի գաւազան Եւ իր եղբօր հրացան Եւ իր քեռու երես բեխան Քայլեց վեր վար սենեական Մէկ, կու, 'րեք Տեսնեմ թշնամին բերէք... We also remember when Pres. Serzh and minister Hranoush came to America to sell us their rotten tomatoes նեխած հոտած լօլիկ. Here in America we have access to "fresh tomatoes", even in our own backyards. WHAT THE HELL IS SERZH/SERGEY"??? Where in Armenian histocy we see anyone named "serge/sergey"? Sargis? Some will debate it's Armenian origin, as in Sergius/Sargis

No Sip. Their tomato is rotten. They invented the kosher salt, whatever the H it may mean? Why is every and all chefs add “kosher salt” to their recipes? What the H does it mean? Does it mean “un-iodized”? Is that why many suffer of “goiter” from lack of Iodine? http://www.taytan.com/images/goiter.jpg In their language “goi/goyim” as in goiter means gentile, heathen. Why don’t they all GOI” to that “goiland” in gehena ? And while we’re at it, what the H does “sea salt” mean? No. They invented “lox. stox and bagel” Lock, stock and barrel: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/d/dd/Musketparts.jpg

WILL THE BIGGER LIAR PLEASE STAND UP!!! The following seems to be in response to the lies spread by mehmet davIToghlu and erBOKHan that secret and quiet diplomacy is in the process. Which to believe? Remember when during the “proctocols” days we were told that there were no Preconditions? Remember when that comedy of signing was orchestrated to happen 24 hours before the 24th of April? And that the border would open even before the ink of the signatures at the dotted line had dried? Fortunately the Diaspora did not believe even a word of it and proceeded with the commemoration events on the 24th. Has Mr. Nalbandian **learned a bitter lesson, a lesson that he should have known even before being assigned as FM **Why does he have a furkish surname, even if it may be of Persian origin? Does the furkish FM*** have a surname like Darbinian? *** This gets me every time. FM? Foreign Minister? Is our minister “foreign”? Otar nakharar? Does it mean that our minister is a foreigner? It is more ridiculous when some of our news media use a term like արտգործնախ/artcortsnakh, say that three times fast. I tried and my teeth fell off . Fortunately some others are getting back to Հայաստանի ԱԳ նախարար Էդվարդ Նալբանդյանը: I personally confronted Hakob Avetikian, the editor in chief of AZG, and his insolent response was “You ain’t seen noth’n yet!" Are we back to tha days of “komkous” and “kolkhoz”? When did we become so stingy of words? What is so difficult to write ԱՐՏԱՔԻՆ ԳՈՐԾՈՑ ՆԱԽԱՐԱՐ/Minister of Foreign Affairs? ---- http://news.am/eng/news/37917.html

:jerry: Ba ba black sheep!! Ah!! Where is Ali Suat? Were those sheep “kara koyunlu” black sheep or “ak koyunlu” white sheep.? We don’t know if they ate the sheep or “married” her. Ba Ba black sheep; http://news.am/eng/news/37825.html

Thank you Ani. I have to read that poem again to see where we get the idea. So what?? What is so erotic about the body a sixteen year old boy? We all have brothers, cousins and children of that age. Where does one get the idea that description of a nude boy is homoerotic? Only people with muddy eyes will see the world as a pile of mud.. Was Michelangelo an homophile when he sculpted this? We don’t know. We don’t want to know. How is his glorification of the human body in such beauty make him a homophile? http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/cultureshock/flashpoints/visualarts/images/david_big.jpg How does one read “homophilia” here? Tchaikovsky was an openly unabashed and incurable homophile. But where do we see it? Do the Russians trash him? Neither do the Americans who every 4th of July play his 1812 Overture. In the Swan Lake? From where the music of the Disney movie the Sleeping Beauty came from. Was he watching the girls’ cleavages or the boys’ crotches? How does that diminish his genius? Swan Lake; Sleeping Beauty; http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C-6fYCMqSN4 -- Չարենցի մասին նման աղբ կուտակողներին պիտի աղբանոց թափել:

ՕՃԱՌ/ ԱՃԱՌ Soap When one looks up ՕՃԱՌ one is redirected to ԱՃԱՌ There are several entries, all the way from “avjar” (here may see how the “ojar/aujar-օճառ/ աւճառ” may have come from), many of which are connected to “soap”. One of very interesting entries is that “ajar” also means “ceiling/roof”, obviously from the Arabic as in that language “ijar” means (house) rent, “վարձավճառ/vardzavjar”. Here is me on my soap box again; http://lastprice.files.wordpress.com/2008/12/soapbox.jpg Many entries aside about “ojar/ajar”, let’s get back to its meaning of soap. Many of us know that cleansing agent as “sabon, (Fr.)savon, (Engl.)soap (Latin) sapo etc. We’ll why. Armatakan; **This is what this whole thing is about. http://hyeforum.com/index.php?showtopic=18568&pid=277043&st=40entry277043 Here we saw why Hrachia chose the family name “Ajarian”. His father’s nickname was “կռճիկ/krjik” that among many also means a much used remnant of a cake of soap. I had kind of known that, as in the Marash dialect that much used remnant of soap is known “krtik/kirtik” which I had assumed was from the furkish. Of course this item will not be complete without getting into the plant Saponaria, among many it is best known as “soapwort”, ՕՃԱՌԱԽՕՏ[/b (soap grass)] in Armenian. Which came first? The Plant or the Latin “sapo” for “soap“? Among many Saponaria officinalis; http://www.floracyberia.net/spermatophyta/angiospermae/dicotyledoneae/caryophyllaceae/saponaria_officinalis.jpg Ah!!! Here is another surprise, not to me. I had always known that the juice of that root was used in making halwa as an emulsifier.: ----- Johannes Դու գիտէ՞ս «չիրիշ» (glue of sorts) բառի իմաստը: Ես չէի մտմտել մինչեւ այսօր որ նա Արաբ. » շիրիշshirish արմատ բառն է:

I just saw this. Thank you Harut; http://hyeforum.com/index.php?showtopic=1545&pid=14773&st=0entry14773 I had read that a long time ago, I can’t remember where. I had been looking for it since; An excellent biography. http://ha.nt.am/newsday.php?p=0&c=0&t=0&r=0&year=2009&month=08&day=15&shownews=2813&LangID=4 Here is that passage;

No Ani, I don't know if I have read them, neither do I know which they are. Read the entire article by Russell here; Also see the iclusion of the book Deviation. http://www.inknagir.org/index.php?groupid=86&task=content&id=523&lang=eng The relevant quote from the above. Where two poems are mentioned, whether those are the ones in the question or not? See also the unambiguous allusion that Charents was “bisexual, user of narcotics”. Here are those two poems . Is there a relevance to the subject at hand?

ՕՐՕՐ ԻՄ ԲԱԼԱՍ, ՕՐՕՐ ՈՒ ՆԱՆԻ We will see what ՕՐՕՐ /OROR means in another post. Lullaby and Good night! Aram K Lullaby that at times is known as "Berceuse" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vTGQD_QK4BA I like this; I don’t like this by Gohar Gasparian, it is so shrill, it sounds like a reveille rather than a lullaby Hello MosJan and Nane! I had known this and sang it since the age of 5, but I had known only the first, second and the last stanzas. See what is in between. “Օրօր (Քուն եղիր բալաս) Երաժշտ.՝ Բարսեղ Կանաչեան Խօսք՝ Գամառ Քաթիպա Քուն եղիր, պալաս, աչերդ խուփ արա՛, Նախշուն աչերուդ քուն թող գայ, վըրայ՛ Օր-օր իմ պալաս, օր-օր ու նանի, Իմ անուշիկիս քունը կը տանի՛ Ոսկի խաչ վըզիդ՝ քեզի պահապան, Նարօտ կապել է ծարէն տէրպապան՛ Օր-օր իմ պաալս, օր-օր ու նանի, Իմ անուշիկիս քունը կը տանի՛ Մաուի հիլուններ կախիլ եմ ես ալ, Նազար չիս առնուլ, քուն էղի՛ր, մի՛ լալ՛ Օր-օր իմ պալաս, օր-օր ու նանի, Իմ անուշիկիս քունը կը տանի՛ Աս քանի՞ մօրըդ անքուն աչքովը Անցել է օրեր օրոցքիդ քովը՛ Օր-օր իմ պալաս, օր-օր ու նանի, Իմ անուշիկիս քունը կը տանի՛ Օրոցքըդ օրրիմ, օրով բոյ քաշիս, Մըղկըտան ծանով սիրտըս չի մաշիս՛ Օր-օր իմ պալաս, օր-օր ու նանի, Իմ անուշիկիս քունը կը տանի՛ Դուն ալ քուն էղիր, ինծի ալ քուն տո՛ւր, Սո՛ւրբ Աստուածամայր, անուշիս քուն տո՛ւր Օր-օր իմ պալաս, օր-օր ու նանի, Իմ անուշիկիս քունը կը տանի՛” ----

How low can we sink? Is there a limit to human (in)decency? A “new game in town”,? Character assassinations, desecration of the bones of our idols .? A few days ago we read this; http://hyeforum.com/index.php?showtopic=31285&st=0&p=276655&hl=tekeyan&fromsearch=1entry276655 And now, among many google hits this; http://hetq.am/en/culture/charenc-2/ The old adage goes- People wearing manure stained eyeglasses see the entire world as a heap of manure. Are we going back to the “gay twenties” aka the Roaring twenties, when at that time the word meant “flappy-happy”. I’m not sure about Ms? Violet, but Mr? Russell is an openly acknowledged homo. Has anyone seen and read those so called “homoerotic” works by Charents? For all we know, Charents was an incurably romantic WOMANIZER.