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http://www.reporter.am/images/StandardImage/Raffi-(Hakob-Melik-Hakobian.jpg Look who else is calling him “prophet”. http://www.reporter.am/index.cfm?objectid=7A5DF770-D3C9-11DF-9B8F0003FF3452C2

Hey Boghos, is your picture on one of those gold coins? http://news.am/pic/news/33748.jpg Of late we have seen stories of how the kurds and furks of Van were befriending diasporan Armenian pilgrims at Aghtamar to learn the locations of hidden treasures. Note. Read the below “maras” as “Marash”. Was that house where they started digging the tunnel my ancestors’ house? Did they find gold or dirt, or did they find the bones of our ancestors? http://news.am/eng/news/33748.html --- Sadly. All that gold was in the mouths of those murdered on the way to Der Zor. http://images.travelpod.com/users/mikeandfi/1.1246701174.1.jpg

AND THE BEAT GOES ON!!!!! And the lies go flying!!! The liars’ club is working overtime. In another two days it will be the one year anniversary of that farcical fiasco of the signing of the “proctocols“. How is it that Mr. Nalbandian's finger did not break or his pen run out of ink before he placed his X on the dotted line, not underastanding one word of it? The liar’s club headquarters may be in Ankara , but it seems it has subsidiaries in Yerevan, While they are assuring the world that the talks are ongoing Mr. Nalbandian is refuting. Who is the bigger liar? Look at these two stories. Technical problems? That the entire structure had to be reconstructed to accommodate the “ten ton” cross? That it will be installed before April 24, that it will take another 1.5 months? http://news.am/eng/news/29659.html ----- There were many stories between the above Sept. 3 and the below Oct. 2. Note below that it took a three year “technical problems was resolved in a few hours? “several (technical?)hours” to install. http://news.am/eng/news/33010.html --- AND THE BEAT GOES ON!! By your favorite "armenian" singer?

AND THE BEAT GOES ON!!!!! And the lies go flying!!! The liars’ club is working overtime. In another two days it will be the one year anniversary of that farcical fiasco of the signing of the “proctocols“. The liar’s club headquarters may be in ankara , but it seems it has subsidiaries in Yerevan, While they are assuring the world that the talks are ongoing Mr. Nalbandian is refuting. Who is the bigger liar? Look at these two stories. Technical problems? That the entire structure had to be reconstructed to accommodate the “ten ton” cross? That it will be installed before April 24, that it will take another 1.5 months? http://news.am/eng/news/29659.html ----- There were many stories between the above Sept. 3 and the below Oct. 2. Note below that it took a three year “technical problems" was resolved in a few hours? “several (technical?)hours” to install. http://news.am/eng/news/33010.html AND THE BEAT GOES ON!! Your favorite "armenian"? ---- Ps. This will be reposted under the topic Liars' Club

In this first letter he expresses his consternations and concerns about how our Sacred Church Music has deteriorated to level where the deacons, the choirmasters and the choristers who, the night before had been singing at oghi parties sing in a way totally foreign to our traditional sacred music, singing with furko-Arabo-Russo-Parsi style. Have things really changed since then? I he talking about today’s rabiz-rubbish? I have, beside my instinct to strangle those “singers” I have had the urge to crawl under the pews. I may have many stories, but in the meantime listen to this and tell us how that idiot Onnik Dinkjian sings in Armenian aside from a few interspersed Armenian words? How is he different from the likes of mehmet osmanoghlu? Disgusting!! What a disgrace!!!. Komitas must be turning in his tomb. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xu5BnshfCwM Compare it to this by that angel Isabelle Droshian, and send me ten boxes of Kleenex. ---- In the In the second letter he presents his “prescription” of remedy in six paragraphs.. [[/quote,

Here are the two letters he wrote to the Catholikos. --- ՄԱՏԹԷՈՍ ԻԶՄԻՐԵԱՆԻՆ 1910, 12 յունուար, Ս. ,,,Հայ եկեղեցական երաժշտութիւնն անցեալ ԺԹ եւ մանաւանդ Ի դարում դէպի անկումն է դիմում: Ի միջի այլ հզօր պատճառների, դէպի անկումն է դիմումՄԱՏԹԷՈՍ ԻԶՄԻՐԵԱՆԻՆ 1910, 12 յունուար, Ս. Էջմիածին Ձերդ վեհափառութեան բանաւոր բարձր հրամանի համաձայն կը ներկայացնեմ հետեւեալները ի բարեհայեցողութեան. Ա. վերջին 20-30 տարիները կը պատկերացնեմ մեր հոգեւոր երաժշտութեան աստիճանական անկումը՝ ընդհանուր հայ եկեղեցիներու մէջ։ Կ՚իյնան եւ կ՚անհետանան իսկական հայ հոգեւոր երաժշտութեան ստեղծագործութիւնները՝ շարականները եւ տեղի կու տան պատարագի երգեցողութեանց։ Պատարագի երգերը գրեթէ անխտիր օտարամուտ եւ անճաշակ եղանակներ են։ Տաճկաստանի մէջ՝ տաճիկ-արաբ-յոյն, Պարսկաստան՝ պարսիկ-արաբ, Ռուսաստանի մէջ՝ եւրոպական, մասնաւորապէս՝ ռուսակայն, մայր երկրի մէջ՝ այս բոլորի գումարը, իսկ գաղթավայրերը, բացի հին հին Ջուղայէն, աներեւակայելի այլանդակութիւն, այսինքն, ամէն տեսակ անշնորհք երաժշտութիւն եւ ոչ մէկ ընդհանուր աղբիւր կամ ոճ՝ երգելու։ Ազգային ճաշակը օտարացած եւ խորթացած, աւելին ըսենք՝ ծաղրի առարկայ դարձած՝ յանձին տգէտ եւ անձնապաստան դպրապետներու, որոնք չգիտեն իրենցը, չեն ալ ուզեր որոնել, սորվիլ եւ, արհամարհելով ամէն ինչ՝ կը բերեն գեղեցիկ, ընտիր, բայց իրօք կործանարար երաժշտութիւն։ Ուստիեւ զարմանալի չէ այն ամայութիւնը, որ կը տիրէ հոգեւոր երաժշտութեան մէջ։ Բուն ազգային եղանակները՝ հոգեշունչ, պարզ ու վսեմ շարականի երաժշտութիւնը, որ մեր նախնեաց նախանձելի հոգիի պատկերներն ու հայելիներն են, որոնք մշտամրմունջ էին, այժմ դատապարտուած են արհամարհանքի, կորուստի եւ նախատինքի, աւելին ըսեմ՝ կը տանեն մեր սիրտն ու հոգին դէպի խեղդող, օտարական ճանապարհները։ Եթէ վերջին նշոյլն ալ, որ մնացած է, մենք փչենք ու հանգցնենք, այն ժամանակ մեր աչքով կը տեսնենք մեր սրտի թաղումը, ապա ուրեմն եւ մեր կեանքի գոյութեան վառարանի հանգչելը։ Շարականի երգեցողութեան անկման շատ նպաստած են երկար ու ձիգ, անմիտ ձգձգումները (անյարիր նախատօնակները, հանգստեան շարը, քաղուածոյ շարը, անտեղի ճոխացումները), որոնք փոխանակ ոգեւորութիւն առաջ բերելու, խեղդած են մաքուրն ու պարզը. հասարակութիւնն այլեւս ձանձրացած է երկարաբանութիւններէն, որոնք միայն եւ միայն վերջին տարիներու անճաշակ նորամուծութիւններն են։ Մեղրը քաղցր բան է, բայց շատ ուտել չի կարելի։ Իւրաքանչիւր մարդ, որքան ալ ջերմեռանդ, որքան ալ բարի քրիստոնեայ ըլլայ, անկարող է մարսել մէկ անգամէն այդքան խառնաշփոթ կերակուր։ Եթէ երաժշտութիւնը, որու դերն է կրթել եւ ազնուացնել հոգեւոր երաժշտական զգացմունք՝ փչելով հաւատացեալի հոգիի եւ սրտի վրայ, աննպատակայարմար մատակարարութեամբ բաշխուի, անշուշտ անգամ կը պատրաստէ եւ կը խորտակէ սրտի քնքուշ լարերը եւ ապա կը կտրէ, կ՚անջատէ սիրտն ու հոգին, որոնք անբաժան գործօն եղբայրներ են երաժշտութեան միջոցով՝ մեր կեանքի մէջ։ Քանի ուշ չէ, պէտք է ձեռք զարնել՝ վէրքը բուժելու, ինչքան ալ որ թանկ նստի մեր վերայ, թէ չէ՝ վերջնական կորուստն աներկբայ է... Ձերդ վեհափառութիւնը կարող է ամէն միջոց գտնել՝ այս հիմնական ցաւը բուժելու։ Ակնածութեամբ մատուցանելով այս երկտող հիմնական դիտողութիւնները՝ ի համբոյր մերձենամ ձերդ վեհափառութեան օծեալ ---- ,,,1910. Մայիս 10. Ս. Էջմիածին. ,,,Նորին Վեհափառութեան ,,,Սրբազնագոյն Հայրապետի Ամենայն Հայոց ,,,Տ. Տ. Մատթէոսի Բ. ,,,Վեհափառ Տէր, ,,,Հայ եկեղեցական երաժշտութիւնն անցեալ ԺԹ եւ մանաւանդ Ի դարում դէպի անկումն է դիմում: Ի միջի այլ հզօր պատճառների, դէպի անկումն է դիմում, զի եկեղեցիներում առաւելապէս ուշք են դարձնում լոկ Ս. Պատարագի եւ այն աղաւաղուած երգեցողութեան, որ հիմն ի վեր կորցրել է իր պարզ ու վսեմ, անպաճոյճ ու մանկական միամտութեամբ համեմուած, անմեղ ու հաւատով ներկուած եղանակները եւ տեղի տուել խառնաշփոթ, անյարիր, անպատշաճ, մուրացածոյ եւ մեղկիչ երգեցողութեան: Մեր նախնեաց արեւի պէս ջերմ, օդի պէս ջինջ ու ջրի պէս կայտառ շարականները բոլորովին երկրորդական, նոյնիսկ, յետին տեղն են անցել, մոռացութեան մատնուել, որով մեր հոգեւոր երաժշտութեան զարկերակն է կտրուել: Արդ, շարականագէտներն օր աւուր նուազում են, շարականներն անարգութեամբ նսեմանում են եւ փոխարէնն աճում են թերուս ու տգէտ, անփորձ ու անշնորհք դպիրներ ու դպրապետներ, որոնք նախքան զտեսութիւնն երաժիշտք են եւ որոնց անսանձ ու շահատակ կամայականութեանն է յանձնուած հայ ժողովրդի հոգեւոր եւ պատասխանատու դաստիարակութեան գեղարուեստականը: Չեմ խօսում հոգեւոր երաժշտութեան վեհ ու կրթիչ դերի մասին, այլ ամենաէական ուրուագծերով ստորեւ շեշտում եմ, թէ ինչպէս կարելի է վառել, ազգային հոգեւոր երաժշտութեան վերակենդանութեան միջոցաւ, հայ-քրիստոնէի սառած սիրտը եւ վերստին բորբոքել ջերմեռանդութեան թագնուած հուրը: ,,,Ա. Բանալ հայ հոգեւոր երաժշտարան, վարժապետ, երգիչ, դպիր, դպրապետ, երաժիշտ ու առհասարակ հոգեւոր պաշտօնէութիւն զինել. կորստից փրկել մեր նախնի երաժշտութեան բեկորները, զարգացնել ազգային գեղարուեստ եւ մեր երաժշտական ճոխ գրականութիւնը ծանօթացնել օտարներին՝ ուսումնասիրութիւններ անելով եւ համերգներ տալով: ,,,Բ. Հաստատել Մայր Աթոռի տպարանում երաժշտական տպագրական բաժանմունք եւ հրատարակել, մի ձեռնհաս քննիչ մարմնի հսկողութեամբ, հոգեւոր երգեցողութեան ամենատեսակ գրքեր ու տետրեր: ,,,Գ. Ընդհանուր հայ եկեղեցիներում պարտադիր անել միօրինակ հոգեւոր երգեցողութիւն: ,,,Դ. Հայ եկեղեցիներում հանապազօրեայ դպրաց դաս սահմանել: ,,,Ե. Դպիրներին ընդունել խիստ ընտրութեամբ, իսկ դպրապետներից պահանջել անթերի պատրաստութիւն եկեղեցական գիտելիքների, երաժշտութեան եւ հաստատել պաշտօնի մէջ մերձաւոր հոգեւոր բարձր իշխանութեան միջոցաւ եւ յանձնել նորա յատուկ հսկողութեանն ու խնամքին: ,,,Զ. Հայ դպրոցներում հաստատել կանոնաւոր եւ ծրագրուած երգեցողութիւն եւ տարրական երաժշտութիւն՝ վկայուած ուսուցիչների ձեռքով: ,,,Անդրանիկ օրինակ տուող պիտի հանդիսանայ Մայր Աթոռը, որ պարտաւոր է, այժմէն իսկ, մշտական եւ օրինակելի դպրաց դասի հիմը դնելու այսպէս. ,,,ա. Բազմաձայն երգեցողութեան համար, Մայր Աթոռի անուան ու դիրքին վայել, դպրաց դասն ունենալու է առնուազն քառասուն ընտիր երգիչ: ,,,բ. Միաձայն երգեցողութեան համար՝ քսան եւ չորս: ,,,գ. Խումբը պէտք է անկախ լինի Ճեմարանի աշակերտութիւնից, որի ձայնեղ սաներից կարելի է օգտուել տօներին՝ երգեցողութեան հանդիսաւորութիւն տալու նպատակաւ: ,,,Ես պատրաստ եմ, որպէս ցայսօր, իմ բոլոր ջանքերս ու ճիգս նուիրել մի այսպիսի սուրբ գործին. սուրբ գործին, որ ինձ ոգեւորել է դեռ տղայ տիոցս. սուրբ գործին, որ ինձ քաշել ու կապել է Մայր Աթոռին. սուրբ գործին, որ ինձ ուղիղ քսան տարի յոյս է ներշնչել եւ սակայն սուրբ գործին, որ ինձ արծաթ յուսով օրօրել, տոգորել ու մեծցրել է՝ առանց իրականանալու: Եւ արդ, ինձ մնացել է նոյն յուսով այրուել, ծերանալ ու հեռանալ անցաւոր կեանքից, որպէս մի ազազուն հասկ, որ հողմահար ու ծարաւ կորանում ու չորանում է: ,,,Վեհափառ Տէր, ,,,Ոտս դրել եմ կեանքիս երկրորդ շեմքին, բայց դարձեալ նոյն աննկուն յուսով: Թէպէտ պատանի աշխոյժս լրջացաւ, երիտասարդ թափս նրբացաւ, սակայն եւ այնպէս, այրական եռանդս, մշտաշող յուսով, դեռ նոր է եփ ու եռ գալիս: ,,,Երկտողս մատուցանելով Վեհափառութեանդ՝ անսպառ յուսով մնամ ,,,Ձերդ Ս. Օծութեան խ<ոնարհ> ծ<առայ> եւ միաբան Մայր Աթոռ ,,,Սուրբ Էջմիածնի

This article is “pirated” from another Forum posted by a friend of ours. I am sure he does not mind me reposting it here. A new book by Gurgen Gasparian has been published in Beirut , where the editor has tried and compile all the letters by and to Komitas. Among the many, to and from fellow intellectuals, the likes of Toumanian, Chobanian and friends like Miss Margarit. The most revealing are those written to the Katholikos Madteos Izmirian**, where when we read between the lines reinforces my contention that Komitas was deeply wounded and was in a spiritual and intellectual crisis. long before that “mortal” wound. **Amenayn Hayots Katholikos Izmirian (Bolis 1845-Ejmiatsin 1910) served only one year in that position (1908-1910) http://www.aztagdaily.com/getpic.php?ID=40220&num=1 Where the author has raised the number of letters from the since known 160 to 184. Despite all the calls to concecrate Komitas as a Saint has fallen on deaf ears. Does Ejmiatsin know more about him than we? Was Komitas a "closet protestant"? I know. know! Just as Komitas I am "blowing in the wind"? To follow.

Who reads their horoscope first thing in the morning? I was torn between posting this here or under a more serious topic. We may still do that, with some clean-up of course. ------ Astronomy is a Science - ԱՍՏՂԳԻՏԱՆՔ Here is the founder of Armenian Astronomical Center ---- http://www.armenianow.com/sites/default/files/img/imagecache/600x400/Byurakan_observatory.jpg Astrology is a Joke-ԱՍՏՂԱԲԱՇԽՈՒՄ And here the three founders of Astrology. Larry. Curley and Moe. http://76.163.178.94/images/dreamstime_1120768magi-star.jpg Who translates these into English? Ivan the Terrible Translator? --- **Trump card? http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/07/Viscontisforzatarot.jpg And who will be the director, Աստղիկ Բաշխինեան/Astghik Bakhshinian? http://www.e-tarocchi.com/crystalball/images/crystalBall1.jpg Here are the students. Btw, “stargazing”is a mildly pejorative term. http://www.cartoonstock.com/newscartoons/cartoonists/dpa/lowres/dpan1455l.jpg

‘There is No Javakhk on the Map,’ Says Georgian Foreign Minister?. OH Yeah!! Like there is a “georgia” on the map, like this?; http://www.statetravelmaps.com/Georgia/main-georgia-map.gif Or. Are we talking about this idiot? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Gurdjieff http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/a/a7/Gurdjieff2.jpg --- http://asbarez.com/86126/%e2%80%98there-is-no-javakhk-on-the-map%e2%80%99-says-georgian-foreign-minister/

http://www.virtualani.org/redeemer/redeemer1.jpg I have no idea why this Church Սուրբ Փրկիչ/Holy Redeemer was also nicknamed “Abughamrents”. Obviously Arabic as in “abu/father”. Who was “ghamr” that his father/son was named so? In the Armenian sources, searching for “Աբուղամրենց” we are redirected to Pahlavuni. ----

ԱՆԻ ՔԱՂԱՔ City of 1001. First the gloriously Magnificent; http://asbarez.com/App/Asbarez/eng/2010/09/ani-cathedral-ext.jpg Then the inglorious tragically lamentatious; http://virtualani.homestead.com/files/MotherArmenia_Armenian_legends_and_poems.jpg Even if we have spoken about the subject on many occasions, see below and more. We will hear more about it, the fact that of late the city has been subject of much debate I deemed it fit to devote a whole separate topic. EVERYONE PLEASE! This is an open forum topic. Please do participate, add what I may have missed, be they articles or comments, yours or others’. Please correct me where I have erred. The City of 1001 Churches. Me? I would much have had 1000 Castles and, if necessary ONE church. Remember how in Marash 5000 souls were burned alive at the Holy Virgin Church ? Remember that the City is less than 10 meters away across the Akhourian/Arpa River!! How much force does it take to cross over and re- conquer? Bridge; http://comps.fotosearch.com/comp/UNX/UNX025/hikers-crossing-bridge_~u17414222.jpg http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2268/2232034762_4b4861a190_b.jpg http://i.telegraph.co.uk/telegraph/multimedia/archive/00790/russian-tank-460b_790115c.jpg http://apexengineering.com/astore/images/mini_cooper_s.jpg http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_OXnVCE6w31c/TCuW0vC51mI/AAAAAAAACw8/ulBH0ulgsZI/s1600/IMG_2266.JPG http://wikimapia.org/13959537 Ruins-of-Akhourian-Bridge http://wikimapia.org/p/00/00/94/91/62_big.jpg http://hyeforum.com/index.php?showtopic=5288&st=0&p=40451&hl=lament&fromsearch=1entry40451 Here we spoke about the subject, if only superficially in passing; http://hyeforum.com/index.php?showtopic=9856&pid=275865&st=20entry275865 http://www.youth.am/index.php?lang=2&id=4230 City Walls; http://www.armeniapedia.org/index.php?title=File:Nicole-ani-walls.jpg Citadel 1885; http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/58/Double-Walls-Northside-Ani-Armenia-1885.gif 1937; http://armenia.loois.org/photo.php?i=Turkey%2FAni+-+City+of+1001+Churches/img_1937 And the further progressive(?) deterioration here; http://armenia.loois.org/section.php?i=Turkey%2FAni+-+City+of+1001+Churches -- We still don’t know how and why the City was named so. Is ANI a diminutive abbreviation of ANAHIT?? (We call many an Anahit as Ani) I question the “zoroastrian fire temple“ mentioned below, as Anahit and Aramazt go much further back than Zoroaster. http://www.virtualani.org/history/part1.htm

Maybe we should all send a thank you note(?) to that clown for shining the light on the Gem of Armenian Architecture and History. Not even all the gold in Fort Knox could have bought so much free advertisement. This is just a beginning, they “invited” the world media, which will follow up for a long time. Even if the A word may not appear at the site, look how Freely they are using the Armenian name of the City, where as a short time ago the A word was considered a blasphemy , just as even now alleging that one’s mother is Armenian is tantamount to mean one is “born out of wedlock”. Also note how below the writer suggests “what if Armenians were to pray at mosque”, I had alluded to that in a previous post, but of course I did not mean it literally as Christian Armenian prayer is not a matter for ridicule, as they made a mockery of the Muslim prayer. Also note, surveying the pictures and videos of that farcical comedic charade and tell us how many women you see. Another subject. ---

http://members.pioneer.net/~mchumor/00images/5267_hunting_cartoon.gif Look at these beautiful innocent animals and that idiot in the middle . http://www.huntingreport.com/trophy_images/large/226.jpg http://www.circlehranchtexas.com/images/ranch/sheep_program/armenian_mouflon.jpg Give every Bambi, Maral deer Mooflon and Bezoar one of these http://www.superdrummy.com/ak47.jpg How about we give those idiots one of these? http://www.situsinformasiinternet.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/09/canon-eos-350d-slr-digital-camera.jpg and let'’s see where all those cowardly “rambos” will hide. Should Maral have had a gun!!!?? http://www.seapahn.us/hf/mos_hunt.jpg

12 Capitals; And while at it also see this about castles;

Even if this may be a subject of general topic of tragic Armenian History, I take the liberty to post it here as the article profusely refers to Dr. Prof. Stanley Kerr, the author of the book “Lions of Marash“. http://imageevent.com/publicgallery/events/marashturkey1919drsekerr000?p=1&n=1&m=99&c=4&l=0&w=4&s=0&z=2 Here are some of the pictures mentioned below. http://imageevent.com/publicgallery/events/marashturkey1919drsekerr000;jsessionid=wdezr0cxj7.frog_s?p=90&n=1&m=99&c=4&l=0&w=4&s=0&z=2 http://www.ararat-eskijian-museum.com/July10.jpg http://imageevent.com/publicgallery/events/marashturkey1919drsekerr000 http://www.reporter.am/index.cfm?objectid=E7D39A80-CD70-11DF-9B8F0003FF3452C2 An aside. Some time ago someone called me “edebsiz’ meaning “uncivilized/անկիրթ” when I addressed to him as the “illegimate son” of ms. edib. Btw “edeb/edib” is an Arabic word to mean “civilization/civilized”.

Yes, Yervant. “Demarcation line” How did you know that? I didn’t. I still can’t make a connection to its etymology. My miniscule dictionary does not refer to it** but the internet does. I hate to advertise their non-language, but just so we know what it means when we see it in their news. **BTW. Conversely looking up “border” at the that miniscule dictionary it does list the word as such.

The silver lining? The old adage goes; “Every cloud has a silver lining” http://familytravelsuite.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/01/cloud.jpg Despite that they have attempted to rename and furkify Aghtamar “ak-damar”, and despite that at one time they tried to rename Ani something like “ana/aneh” to mean “mother”, seems like they have given up and refer to the Armenian City as “ANI”. No matter how they try, they cannot hide. Look at this headline where the word ermeni”is used, while at one time "gavur/infidel" was the substitute. .Translation- “bokhcheli” asked to conduct “namaz” at the … church converted to “mosque” (?) Ani Cathedral… I don’t quite understand “Ermeni sinirinda”. “sinir” in their non-language means “sinew/nerve”. Note how they are reciting the word “ermeni” whereas a few years ago there was not such a word or people. Another subject. As to the origin of the name ANI, we will come to that even if there is very precious about it. Observe the picture here but don’t be fooled with their pants and neckties. Deep down, I mean down they are still the pantless savages. http://news.am/pic/news/32893.jpg BTW. In their culture and language the necktie/cravate/փողկապ is known as “medenyet yulari” to mean the “(dog) leash of civilization”. http://www.sybarites.org/wp-content/uploads/2007/07/hleash.jpg

Yes, by all means! Let them. Let's remember to bring a thousand media with TV cameras. --- Aghtamar from another angle; http://news.am/pic/news/32675.jpg Are Aghtamar-Van, Ani and Ararat part of Armenia? See highlights below.. Wlsonian Armenia; http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/hy/thumb/c/c8/Miatsyalhayasdan2english.jpg/800px-Miatsyalhayasdan2english.jpg http://news.am/eng/news/32675.html

The Holy Virgin , Սուրբ Աստուածածին/Mother of God church at Ani; http://asbarez.com/App/Asbarez/eng/2010/09/ani-cathedral-ext.jpg ----- And this, even if it may better belong under Comedistan. Remember, being called "ermeni" is the ultimate insult; http://news.am/eng/news/32557.html How about we go to Ani and sing Ter Voghormia here? http://www.virtualani.org/minuchihrmosque/mosque7.jpg

ԳՄԲԵԹ Dome A friend who speaks both furkish and Armenian insists that they have taken many words from us. He cites the case od “gmbeth” and “kumbet”. True. Kind of. Seems we have all inherited from a common source. The semi global structure over a building. It goes on saying that the word is found in many languages , including Georgian, Persian, furkish and Arabic, that it all points to the Assyrian “qubbata”, and to “qubiba” to mean “crooked/կորացած”.See the English definition of “dome” below. --- Why were those steel tanks used as temporary shelters after the Earthquake called “domik”? Is that a Russian word to mean “domicile=house”? Oddly. The dictionary of synonyms has ՏՈՄԻԿ/tomik to mean Թակարդ/trap, as in mousetrap? Does it mean “amall house”? ---- Here we see how in Isahakian’s poem some use the word “kmbeth”. We also saw other versions where “կատար/katar”, “գագաթ/gagat” were also used. Another subject. Does anyone know how Avetiq wrote originally? Armenian dome; http://image.shutterstock.com/display_pic_with_logo/190006/190006,1270797916,9/stock-photo-dome-of-main-armenian-cathedral-of-surb-gevork-in-tbilisi-50529445.jpg http://travel.webshots.com/photo/2149222190065925037QnlEKd http://community.webshots.com/photo/fullsize/2149222190065925037QnlEKd Geogian; http://kosmyryk.typepad.com/wu_wei/WindowsLiveWriter/Market0069.jpg Russian; http://www.adriancolesberry.com/life/wp-content/uploads/2010/07/Onion-Dome.jpg Farsi. I cannot find where the D is . It is in fact “knbad” گنبت http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3273/2689022397_7e346b72bc_o.jpg Others “kmbet” گمبت The Arabs call this “Mosque (jami’a)** Dome of the Rock“-مسجد قبة الصخرة http://www.bibleplaces.com/images/DOME_OF_ROCK_AERIAL_TB_N031900b.jpg Arabic “qubbah” (silent H) قبه A very common sight, mud dome houses in the vicinity of Aleppo; http://www.treehugger.com/beehive.house2.jpg --- At one time in Marash there was an Armenian sector known as Քիւմբէթ/kumbet. One wonders why it was named so? See the book Lions of Marash pp. 122 and 132 -- For a moment I thought that “cupola” another word for “dome” was somewhat related to “qubba”. Apparently not. ** The Arabic word “jami-’a” simply means a place of gathering-people” jama’a” much like the Greek “ecclesia” and the Armenian “ եկեղեցի/ԺԱՄ”. Regardless of what Ajarian says that “zham” is based on the word “time/hour”.Of course, if he wre to base on the Arabic “jam” it would be “ճամ/ջամ” in the Armenian. --- For additional info see this; http://hyeforum.com/index.php?showtopic=1551&st=0&p=14836&hl=turkish&fromsearch=1entry14836 And this; http://hyeforum.com/index.php?showtopic=15730&st=20&p=197119&hl=arabic&fromsearch=1entry197119

Yervant, please elaborate. When everyone, all the way from Ejmiatsin to Antelias, to Jerusalem, to all the world wide dioceses and prelacies saw the hypocricies and lies, how is it that that reportage not justify our boycott? Did they know something we didn't? What did we lose that we already did not have? How did we "miss that golden opporunity"? Singing Der Voghormia and waving wooden crosses does not count.

Աթ մե Մոխիէ Dear Armat, please elaborate. Why would you have gone? With what purpose? How would your presence have changed the overall picture? What would your purpose be, to bolster their deception? According to the prducers of that comedy, the Holy Cross is a furkish museum, built by some unwelcome alien "idiots". Not a Church. What do you mean by "Մեր Երկիրը"? Where did you read, be it in their media or the world media anyone say that it is "Մեր Երկիրը"? Do you have enough military power to reconquer "Մեր Երկիրը"? No, no a wooden or stone Cross will not do it. They will and have said what to do with the Cross. Why would you want to go there? To weep your eyes dry? Do you know Siamanto's "Ափ մը Մոխիր Հայրենի Տուն"? And, if you believe all those lies, and think they will someday place the cross on top!! I Have a slightly used bridge in Brighton, or Satani Kamourj to sell you. Here is the kind of crosses we need, that they'll understand; http://www.fotosearch.com/bigcomp.asp?path=CRT/CRT466/15477-65dg.jpg

HUH!! Fatima singing "old Armenian Ballads"? http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/programmes/from_our_own_correspondent/9029559.stm Published: 2010/09/25 10:53:46 GMT Turkey's gesture to an uncomfortable past By Jonathan Head BBC News, Van, Turkey The Turkish government wants to improve relations with Armenia, but is it ready to leave behind decades of nationalist dogma and fully confront the country's past? From the vantage point of the ancient castle, perched atop a rocky outcrop, you can see the whole of the city of Van, spread out between the dazzling blue of the great lake and the jagged mountains to the east. It is a featureless sprawl of ugly apartment blocks that you might find in any provincial Turkish city. Nothing suggests that it has any history going back more than a few decades. If you then look to the south, directly beneath you is an area of rough grass, criss-crossed by a maze of paths, with just a few fragments of buildings still visible. This is Old Van, a city that, until its destruction, had been continuously inhabited for more than 3,000 years. And a large part of the people who inhabited it were Armenians - it had once been at the heart of a great Armenian empire. Today there are almost none. The only two buildings still standing there are mosques. Of the dozen or so churches, there is no trace. The story of how the Armenians vanished from their historic homeland is not discussed in Van today. The city proudly describes the waves of invaders who have passed through - Parthians, Greeks, Romans, Persians, Seljuk Turks - but the Armenians who dominated the city just a century ago are hardly mentioned. “ At least half of the original population died in what many historians call the modern world's first genocide ” This is not surprising really, when you consider that the Ottoman Empire's biggest minority was driven out of Anatolia in 1915 on ghastly death marches. At least half, maybe much more, of the original population died, in what many historians call the modern world's first genocide. Today the inhabitants of Van are mainly Kurdish, some probably the descendants of those who killed and seized the property of the Armenians. The current Turkish government is the first one to seek some kind of accommodation with its Armenian past. It needs to if it is to fulfil its ambition to be a regional power and to be part of the European Union. That is why it permitted a Christian service to take place last Sunday in the beautiful little church on Akhtamar Island in Lake Van. It is the only historic Armenian building still standing in eastern Anatolia, and among the most holy for Armenian Christians. 'Bittersweet' I happened to be in a bus with an Armenian choir from Istanbul who had been invited to sing at the service. They were being treated as VIPs - the municipal government wanted them to feel welcome - and we were being given a tour. Our guide was a young local woman called Fatima. She had won over her guests by singing some lovely renditions of old Armenian ballads. But when she pointed out the wasteland that is the old city today, all she could say was that the Armenians had, in her words, "disappeared". For a few moments the bus went quiet then everyone broke into song again. None of the Istanbul Armenians wanted to talk about the past. They are a very small community, acutely aware of their vulnerability. The Armenians who had come from the United States for the service were more forthright. "It's bittersweet, coming here," said one man whose grandparents had fled from Van during the killings. "We're like parallel cultures, we even look the same," he said, "only we hate each other." He said there had been strong pressure on him from other American Armenians not to come - they saw the one-off church service as a cynical publicity stunt by Turkey. At times on Sunday it did seem like that. The local government had invited an army of journalists to witness the service who threatened to overwhelm the congregation. It also invited local Muslims, who talked and laughed all the way through it. No-one made any effort to respect the sanctity of the ceremony. A local boatman told me he was puzzled by the way they were praying. He had never seen a Christian service before. "And why are they crying," he asked? He had no idea. No discussion The Turkish government still fiercely defends its version of history - that what happened in 1915 was a tragedy, not a war crime. In Van, it points out, the Armenians took up arms. For a while they controlled the city and later they helped enemy Russian forces to occupy it. In the chaos of war, it says, large numbers of Turkish Muslims also died. But the annihilation of the Armenians is simply blanked out of the history taught in Turkish schools. There is no discussion, and real dangers await those who try to start one. It is less than four years since the Armenian journalist Hrant Dink was murdered in Istanbul by a young nationalist for calling for just such a debate. "This church service is pointless if the Turkish government only wants to appear more tolerant," one Armenian journalist told me. "It has to change the mindset of the people. Make them confront their past." In the dreary avenues of modern-day Van, that process has not started yet. Its history is still buried under layers of concrete and by Turkey's uncompromising nationalist dogm Published: 2010/09/25 10:53:46 GMT © BBC MMX

ԱՐԱՐԱՏԵԱՆ ԴԱՇՏԱՎԱՅՐ Araratian Plain http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ararat_plain Below we see how the author stopped at “the southern part lies in Turkey.”, meaning “All the way to Van and beyond”. Not to forget the fertile plains of Shirak. Remember the legend of Շատակեր Շարա/Shataker Shara, the glutton Shara who ate up the entire crop of Shirak. I wish I could find that legend. Why is there no biography of Shara Talian/Շարա Տալեան, the famous Armenian operatic tenor/baritone, an immortal interpreter of Sayat Nova et al? http://www.comedytheater.am/images/small_shara_tal.jpg Here we spoke about how Masis and Ararat are not necessarily synonymous. One being the Country, Lerner, Լեռներ, and the other the Summit(s) Sar/ Սար, Katar/Gagat Կատար/Գագաթ. Here we saw how Lerner Ararati and Masis Sar are not necessarily synonymous, one being the Country and the other the Summit, the peak**. http://hyeforum.com/index.php?showtopic=17106&st=0&p=217764&hl=summit&fromsearch=1entry217764 See how Isahakian’s is interpreted, at times “Կատար/Katar”, “Գագաթ/Gagath” and at other times “Գմբեթ/Gmbeth. I can’t find Badalian’s. See/hear Maro Partamian here***. I did not know the words were by Avetiq. **Which is which? What are the English for Ler, Sar, Katar, Gagath and Gmbeth See this idiot who seems to not even know meaning of the words he is mouthing

I retract my comment. You responded with not 2-3 but a 6 word sentence. And now, please write a 600 word article and teach us. There was a time when Ara would spread his garbage all over the Subject Topic of CULTURE preventing us from approaching the category. As to why he has a private "dunce corner" դանձ թանցր գլուխ ? Seek and find who caused his banishment from the general topic of CULTURE, and assigned his own private masturpeesroom. Oddly enough, over twenty year ago a friend approached me and asked what this "itiot" was talking about? Even more odd is that the name of that friend is Armenak. I was lost in words, except that, he says what we have avoided for so long.What with "bosses" "bishops" "charlatans" "punchunis", "ottomans", on and on, ad infinitum and ad nauseam. As that great philosopher Popeye says- "Enough/inuff is enough, and enough is too much"!! In case we don't know the Armenian for "enough", it is "heriq/bavakan". Dear Armenak, please remove your nose from the farty arrears of Ara.