Dan

Chicago 10 such a good movie...

i thought we were done with the controversy of this topic - so why is it opened again?

My mom has lived through communism.... so what? that doesn't make you right... besides, i am not claiming that communism back then worked... and not having worked certainly doesn't imply that it won't ever work.

OMG, you guys are still going on about this, aren't ya? http://www.student.yorku.ca/~shoghig/dan/head.gif

Shiner, I sure don't know what communism was like for real, but i DO know what capitalism is like - and while you may argue that i can't compare the two if I don't know one or the other, so can't you. so comparing those two when someone doesn't have a first hand account of what it was like in both is just pointless - what we CAN compare, however, is the theory, and that is what I am talking about really. i can tell you what i know about Cuba from what i heard from my cousin who went there, but that would be long and painstaking, and really offtopic...

Well, I'm not a frequent cinema-goer, but I do like movies a lot (that sounds so cheesy, i know), so yeah, my review is not about new movies, but thought about mentioning a coupla good ones that are old but worth being checked out IMO: Movie:Gangs of New York Score: 9+ Wow @ that movie.. simply breathtaking - I'm not into the "famous/great" movies thing, but this one is just BEAUTIFUL... Movie: Sweet Home Alabama Score: 7- Not sure if people would agree with me on the rating for this one - but I thought it was a pretty decent movie...

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do i think it's possible for communism to be less successful compared to what? do i think communism as we've seen so far was successful - yes and no. successful in many ways, unsuccessful in many others - like the capitalist system. however, there is a big difference between a successful capitalism and a successful communism - whereas the former would increase the gap between classes (or rather, create classes), the latter aims at closing that gap or removing it altogether. so do i think it's possible to have a successful communist system? yes and no - depends. depends on the aims of the people who try to get it to work - if it's someone like stalin, it will soon become a capitalistic communism, which is even worse than capitalism alone...

Armat - and what makes you so sure YOU are right? Edited by Sasun

no, but i sure have lived in a capitalist country, and i know what it's like - so don't tell me it is successful.

what are you talking about?

Oh, and SilverMountain jan... the "d" (last letter in the first word) is usually elongated in the middle by handwriting, i think.. just draw a vertical line from the middle of the "d" (length equal to the long "r")

the only reason i gave it a shot is that i've seen Ararat typed in Armenian so much that i'm probably right in its spelling as it is now - but not sure about Ler... i always confused the "reh" (long one) and "rah" (short one)..

And are we sure this is Tashnaq Zinvor? I have my doubts... but i might be wrong..

oh man, Domino, really, do you think he has homework to do? lol.. he doesn't have a life, let alone homework. but anyhow, guys, really, he's a troll, and you're only feeding him, eh.. so don't reply and he'll go away - i know his type full well..

like I said, double-check with another member as well, just to make sure. my Armenian is not the best in the world lol.. And welcome to HyeForum.

For your information, Armenians DID originate from Armenia.. I highly doubt you're an Armenian anyway... and if you are, it's such a shame really..

One comment: Not being a Jew does not mean that I don't mind getting married in a synagogue (if Jews get married in synagogues anyway - you get my point).

You meant you want to write Ararat Ler in Armenian, right? Anyhow, I *think* my spelling is right - it's in Western Armenian spelling anyway, so I don't know.. Here's my attempt at it - corrections are welcome (so you might want to double-check it with another member lol) http://www.student.yorku.ca/~shoghig/dan/ararat.jpg

THOTH, I was not the one who was being offensive.. on the contrary - she was the one who started with the swearing and calling white people Aryan fantasizers, anti-black, anti-arab fascist chauvinists.. methinks she really needs to let out the anger in some other way, other than attacking people for their beliefs, and moreover generalizing about the forum being a fascist one... she also contradicts herself by saying that we are anti-arab, pro-jewish neo-nazis... well guess what, nazis are not pro-jewish, so that's the #1 mistake and assumption that is based on her faulty knowledge... Fascist haven? anti-arab? ..... truly knowledgeable... very good... impressive... i am not looking to just pick an argument with "someone new", and I never have picked an argument with anyone just for the sake of doing it . ..... her arguments are really irrelevant to my points - she is simply saying whatever comes to her mind and not really answering my questions or repelling my points. ....(going off in every direction and bringing in things that are irrelevant).. i don't usually call people by names (or at least i can't recall it - i don't even call people homophobes), but this, THIS is just grand.. this is a grand show of ignorance and the absence of common sense. so tell me, what, do you think calling this forum a fascist haven is logical, and what's more, do you think that her anger at the moderators for not censoring those so called white nationalists on the forum is really justifiable, when she's using the same freedom of speech she wouldn't be able to use had THEY called on the moderators to censor HER? hypocrisy at its best. .... Edited by Sasun

.... sorry to say this, but you are blind to what is going on around the world. wake up and stop blaming others for your lack of certain things... and get a lesson in history (without boasting like you're doing now) about WWII, Nazism, and neo-Nazism, before saying that everyone on this forum is fascist. Other than that, I don't have much to say.. Oh, and try not to get on the offensive side when you're defending yourself.. that's what you've done and are doing throughout this thread. I suggest you try a neo-Nazi forum, at least then your claims would apply.. Edited by Sasun

Slightly off the seriousness of the discussion about communism, but still on-topic, this joke just sums up what capitalism is all about (I'm sure most of you have heard/read this one): A little boy goes to his dad and asks, "What is politics?" Dad says, "Well son, let me try to explain it this way: I'm the breadwinner of the family, so let's call me capitalism. Your Mom, she's the administrator of the money, so we'll call her the Government. We're here to take care of your needs, so we'll call you the people. The nanny, we'll consider her the Working Class. And your baby brother, we'll call him the Future. Now, think about that and see if that makes sense," So the little boy goes off to bed thinking about what dad had said. Later that night, he hears his baby brother crying, so he gets up to check on him. He finds that the baby has severely soiled his diaper. So the little boy goes to his parents' room and finds his mother sound asleep. Not wanting to wake her, he goes to the nanny's room. Finding the door locked, he peeks in the keyhole and sees his father in bed with the nanny. He gives up and goes back to bed. The next morning, the little boy says to his father, "Dad, I think I understand the concept of politics now." The father says, "Good son, tell me in your own words what you think politics is all about." The little boy replies, "Well, while Capitalism is screwing the Working Class, the Government is sound asleep, the People are being ignored and the Future is in deep poo."

George W. Bush is sitting in a hotel lobby, planning his speech to a group of businessmen, when a little man walks up to him. "Excuse me, Mr. Bush, but my name is Steve Case, and I'm here with an extremely important client tonight. We're going to see your speech tonight, and it would be a great help to me if, when we walk by, you could impress him by saying, 'Hello, Steve'." Bush readily agrees, and fifteen minutes later, the little man walks by, deep in conversation with his client. Bush came up and said, "Hello, Steve." The little man says, "F**k off, Bush! I'm in a meeting," and keeps walking. *** Bush, Einstein and Picasso at the Pearly Gates Einstein dies and goes to heaven. At the Pearly Gates, Saint Peter tells him, "You look like Einstein, but you have NO idea the lengths that some people will go to sneak into Heaven. Can you prove who you really are?" Einstein ponders for a few seconds and asks, "Could I have a blackboard and some chalk?" Saint Peter snaps his fingers and a blackboard and chalk instantly appear. Einstein proceeds to describe with arcane mathematics and symbols his theory of relativity. Saint Peter is suitably impressed. "You really ARE Einstein!" he says. "Welcome to heaven!" The next to arrive is Picasso. Once again, Saint Peter asks for credentials. Picasso asks, "Mind if I use that blackboard and chalk?" Saint Peter says, "Go ahead." Picasso erases Einstein's equations and sketches a truly stunning mural with just a few strokes of chalk. Saint Peter claps. "Surely you are the great artist you claim to be!" he says. "Come on in!" Then Saint Peter looks up and sees George W. Bush. Saint Peter scratches his head and says, "Einstein and Picasso both managed to prove their identity. How can you prove yours?" George W. looks bewildered and says, "Who are Einstein and Picasso?" Saint Peter sighs and says, "Come on in, George." *** Bush and Powell Plan World War III Bush and Powell were sitting in a bar. A guy walked in and asked the barman, "Isn't that Bush and Powell?" The barman said, "Yep, that's them." So the guy walked over and said, "Hello. What are you guys doing?" Bush said, "We're planning World War III." The guy asked, "Really? What's going to happen?" Bush said, "Well, we're going to kill 10 million Iraqis and one bicycle repairman." The guy exclaimed, "Why are you gonna kill a bicycle repairman?!" Bush turned to Powell and said, "See, I told you no one would worry about the 10 million Iraqis!" *** Bush's Psalm "Bush is my shepherd, I shall be in want. He leadeth me beside the still factories, He maketh me to lie down on park benches, He restoreth my doubts about the Republican party, He guideth me onto the paths of unemployment for the party's sake. I do fear the evildoers, for thou talkst about them constantly. Thy tax cuts for the rich and thy deficit spending They do discomfort me. Thou anointeth me with never-ending debt, And my savings and assets shall soon be gone. Surely poverty and hard living shall follow me, And my jobless children shall dwell in my basement forever." *** http://politicalhumor.about.com/library/jokes/bljokes.htm http://www.student.yorku.ca/~shoghig/dan/rofl.gif

Please... I have more than a hundred relatives in the States (some of whom recently moved, some of them have been there for more than a decade), and none of them were targeted... So don't tell me I don't know what's going on - I may be in Canada, but I talk to them about things like that every day... the fact that Armenians from Iran, Lebanon, Iraq, etc. were targetted does not mean that it was a racist, anti-Armenian thing - it is simply procedure. Like I said, my birth certificate is not even Lebanese, and just cos I've lived there before I was asked questions about involvement in any terrorist org's etc. You are simply misinterpreting what was done and is being done. I am not defending the policies of the U.S government.. The history of white supremacy in the Americas does not reflect the current state of affairs. As it stands right now, there are more Indians, Arabs, Chinese, etc. who immigrate to the States and Canada than there are Europeans.. In fact, Europeans with PhDs have been and are being rejected entry, and instead, poor old Chinese and Indian people are being given immigration status........ Doing everything and then saying that you're being targetted because you're a minority. It's like black people who have guns and are drug dealers, and when cops target them, they say they were targetted cos they were black. Well, call me racist or whatever, but I think it's a load of B.S. this minority crap. And you know what - I'm sick of it - be it about sexual minorities or whatever. *I* have been denied status in Canada (a country that according to you might be dominated by white racists), whereas an illiterate chinese and jamaican became citizens, under the title of "skilled worker"... how does THAT reflect racism and white nationalism? Face it - there isn't half the racism you claim there is in U.S.A or Canada, because if you look at facts and figures, those people who claim they are minorities come to the country, do NOT even learn the language, respect the culture and practices (a lot of them are homophobes, etc.) and then collapse on the government and get social welfare from MY tax money... whereas *I* have no right to work even though I want & need to, they are lazy bums who do not want to work, even though they are legally allowed to.. so enough is enough. don't talk about racism when you are blind to all the good will of the government - yes, the land was taken over from the Natives, but such is life, people lose their lands, and now you have to respect the current people's views, instead of using their money and saying they are racists when that white nationalist's money goes to feed a lot of lazy bums like the jamaicans who steal, rape, and kill. And yes, the crime rates in both the States and Canada show that your so-called ethnic minorities (esp. jamaicans) commit more crimes than white people do... so next time you claim that the country you live in is white supremacist, think about the safety and security of people who live there - think about how many lives those people have ruined, and think about how many people are STILL being brought from those countries, despite those facts, and how many of them would've died of poverty in their own countries and now enjoy the benefits of social housing and welfare.. and no, i am not claiming that all black or ethnic minorities are criminals. i don't hate black people or anyone else. in fact, i've participated in as many anti-war, anti-U.S.policy, anti-police-brutality&racialprofiling demos as there were.. i've interacted with the chinese, jamaican, jewish, arab, indian, aboriginal, white, and so on.. God knows how many days i've spent unable to talk (sore throat, etc.) cos of chanting anti-war and anti-racist slogans for hours and hours, and marching side by side with the chinese, black, etc. under the heavy rain and freezing cold (-15 Celsius) in the middle of February.. Yes, there are fascists and white nationalists out there, no denying that, i've seen a lot of them actually, i can even tell from the way they dress and talk - but that's not the point - the point is, you are accusing people on this board of being white nationalists, and like you can't tolerate one person's white supremacist views, i don't think i can tolerate your accusations which have no bases (i.e. this board is full of fascists).. yes yes.. I know a lot of Native people, and I feel their pain for their lands, however, what is done is done, and believe it or not, aboriginal people over here are VERY much respected and given privileges even (affirmative action for women, aboriginals, and visible minorities). and please, you are talking about people who are intolerant, yet you are as intolerant of them as they are of you. i am not defending them or attacking you - just trying to be objective. but what makes you think YOUR intolerance is right, and theirs is wrong? you are intolerant of their type of people, and they are intolerant of your type. so live and let live. ok? there are more anti-racist people than there are racist people, and that IS a fact. otherwise, you wouldn't be living right now... or you would be in a nazi state.. so thank your white supremacist americans for saving the world from nazism.. at the same time, don't demand from them that they wipe out neo-nazis, because freedom is freedom for ALL, as you said... if you read my past replies (especially in the Meet the U.S. thread and the other News threads and Communist threads), you may come up with contradictory remarks by me - but I am trying to see both sides of it, and defend the rights of both. because otherwise, i would be a hypocrite. yeah, i think there's racism in the States and Canada, but i think there's as much reverse racism... ok? so don't use the fallacious argument of "they have a history of racism" because that's irrelevant. what we're talking about is HERE and NOW. and there is a difference between rights and privileges. you are demanding privileges. welcome to the real world. you may get your rights, but you are in no position to demand privileges. so tomorrow morning when you go to work, think about the hundreds of WHITE people who have no jobs.. think about the chinese people who have social housing and the white people who have none and sleep on the sidewalks.. think about what YOU have, and what others DON'T.. think about how many white people have been killed by your fellow-dark-skinned Turks... think about how many people have been killed in islamic crusades, instead of only bringing the example of how many millions perished under the christian crusades... think about how many WHITE people were killed in Pearl Harbour by Japs... think about how many WHITE Americans were killed to defend the country that has given you so much freedom and so many opportunities.. talking is way too easy, arguing is even easier, being blind is the easiest.. so try not to be blind. try to see the other side. try not to flame people for their beliefs, and try not to generalize... with all due respect.. i am sick of this demand for privileges. you want rights, you have them. you want equality, you have it. but don't demand special treatment, cos there is nothing that pisses me off more than that (including the queer people who demand that , and don't even try to bring in the argument of homophobia, cos i think it's a load of B.S. - the definition of homophobia as it stands right now is: those who do not approve of the homo lifestyle - well duh, not everyone agrees and not everyone will... so deal with it, live and let live, without forcing others to love you for your sexuality and say yes, you are hundred percent right, deary, go on practiciing homo sex- not gonna go there, cos that's off-topic anyway).. 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