Dan

THANK YOU!! Someone gets the point!!!!!!!

what's your problem, Sip? I'm getting convinced that you're PMS-ing... *shakes head* You Americans have no sense of what real sports are about..... not to mention how dumb it is to call that dumb sport you were watching "football", when it really is supposed to be called handball... oh well, i guess you ran out of terms, and we all know how Americans lack imagination and creativity...

what .... is ..... this..... superbowl mania??!??!?! i don't get football!! what's the big deal everyone's making about this... just wondering... they don't even make such a big deal about the Stanley Cup. geez.

ok............... lol.. wayyyyyyyyyyy tooo graphical anileve jan ahahhaa.. you might uhhhh upset some of the men on here.. some seem to have penis anxiety.

And another one............

hahaha :lol2: the funniest thing in that pic is the look he has.. hahaha.. so funny..

hahaha, i just found this one, it's too funny to not post..

Beethoven's sonatas are great. but I find it hard to listen to classical music these days. Most of the classical music I listen to is on the radio, mixed stuff.. but i like Strauss and Handel.

I don't get this,, but.. why do women like Evanescence so much?

O wait, I didn't know we were married.... *puts on the halo* damn, I guess I said "I do" just before I fainted because you overdosed me on Evanescence huh?

To add -- U2. And Ronan Keating (from Boyzone). He has some great songs!!! I hate Evanescence, btw. Can't stand the songs.. especially "Bring me to Life" lol. sorry acher. And.... Fear Factory. They have a great song called "Cars", it's one of my all-time favourite songs lol. Check it out!! I also recently got into Pantera. Anyone know/heard of Morrissey? The National Front Disco England for the English!!

If you like Korn and System of a Down, then you might like Thrice - The Artist in the Ambulance. it's a bit "harder" than most of the stuff people listen to, but it's great!!! the lyrics are beautiful... *points to his signature* I suggest that you listen to a sample before buying the CD though -- since not all people like *that* type of rock/punk. http://www.poplyrics.net/waiguo/rock/thrice/artist.jpg Lyrics Hmm, just throwing out random band names.. I listen to Ministry.. it's good too. And KMFDM (pretty sure they have CDs on shelves in USA, but not sure about Canada) [for KMFDM, listen to a sample of the song called "Anarchy" to get an idea about what it's all about. their new CD WWIII is awesome!!!]. Bon Jovi is another one of my favourites. Although I like his older CDs better. Dido is very good too. I also listen to a band called Disturbed, and some oldies, Engelbert Humperdink, Frank Sinatra, Paul Anka, Tony Orlando, etc. Another one of my favourites is REM. and of course, the Beatles. Fool's Garden is another good band (early 90s). and the Goo Goo Dolls (Iris, my favourite song by them!!! ) Then there's Bloodhound Gang (with their famous song "I Wish I Was Queer So I Could Get Chicks ).. and Alanis Morissette. A-Ha and AC/DC are good ones too. I listen to a bit of German rap - Xavier Naidoo (good luck finding that one lol, it's next to impossible -- if you know German and want to get it, that is..) Some of Sting & The Police. and btw, Sum41 = (I like "Casualty of Society") And.. Pink Floyd (another one of my favourites!!!!) and Nirvana great songs!!!

what depends on what?

lol... a reflection of reality, huh? mmhmmm, so you mean i can see it if i look in the mirror? http://queerhye.delri.net/amot1.gif you meant... http://queerhye.delri.net/jerrydan.gif

lol... what "other thing", bruin jan? and why all this negativity towards men...?

OK, now another article to contrast Dutch intolerance with Pakistani tolerance (the same pakis who accuse Brits who welcome them to the UK of intolerance...): --- Students Want India, Pakistan Out Of Kashmir MUZAFFARABAD, June 15 (IslamOnline & News Agencies) - Dozens of pro-independence activists urged Saturday India and Pakistan to withdraw their troops from Kashmir. The demonstrators marched through the streets of Muzaffarabad to the offices of the United Nations Military Observers Group (UNMOGIP) calling for an independent Kashmir, Agence France-Presse (AFP) said. "No to India, no to Pakistan. We want only free Kashmir," said one of their banners. The National Students Federation protesters delivered a statement to UNMOGIP calling for a complete pullout of both Indian and Pakistani troops. "If India and Pakistan are so fond of testing their muscles and mettle, they should shift this war to their own borders," the statement said. "India and Pakistan should withdraw their troops from both parts of divided Kashmir and UN forces should be deployed along the Line of Control till the final and acceptable-to-all solution to long pending problems," it added. India and Pakistan, which both have nuclear arsenals, have fought two of their three wars since 1947 over the Himalayan region, AFP said. The two sides trade daily artillery fire over the Kashmir's heavily fortified border. Tension between nuclear rivals India and Pakistan has increased since the attack on the Indian parliament in December, which New Delhi blamed on Pakistan-based militants. Since then, a million soldiers have been deployed by both sides along their common borders and India and Pakistan have come dangerously close to what would be their third war over the Himalayan region. International diplomatic efforts in recent weeks saw the rivals pull back from the brink of war but New Delhi demands proof of an end to infiltrations before it will begin a troop withdrawal. http://www.islamonline.net/English/News/20...article60.shtml ---- point of the article being: if Pakis are so intolerant of Indians, i can see how they can be so tolerant of the Dutch were the Dutch to immigrate into their country... and pakis/muslims being so tolerant, they demand tolerance from the Dutch.... riiight, hypocrisy, anyone?

So back to dutch politics... ---- Anti-Immigration EU Laws, Dutch Law Threatens 50,000 Muslim Immigrants THE HAGUE, June 15 (IslamOnline & News Agencies) - The three parties, forming the new Dutch government, are to adopt a new law authorizing the Dutch police to repatriate more than 100,000 illegal immigrants, half of them Muslims, to their original countries. The law follows the path of other European countries, however, it sparked anger among Dutch farm owners and rights activists. The draft law was declared Thursday, June 13, 2002, by Matt Herbin, head of Pim Fortuyn’s the Liveable Netherlands. According to Herbin, illegal stay in the Netherlands will become “punishable crime”, once the new law is adopted. That was never the case in the Netherlands, where an illegal resident could face nothing more than repatriation, if arrested. The new right wing government will try to meet its electoral promises, on top of which is combating secret immigration, limiting the number of refugees and current illegal immigrants. According to organizations defending the rights of illegal residents and refugees, the number of immigrants affected by the new law is between 46 and 116 thousand people, more than half Muslims from Morocco, Algeria, Tunisia, Turkey, Iraq, Iran and Afghanistan. The Muslim minority is the most negatively affected by the new immigration laws, because most get married from their original countries, and bring their wives and children along. Many Muslim families also prefer to let their children stay back home till the age of 18, to preserve their national identity and language. The new law will deprive them of such a possibility too. For his part, president of Dutch Farmers Union, Dit Mann rejected the draft law Thursday, saying it will inflict heavy losses on farmers, who depend mainly on illegal residents during harvest seasons. Muslim minority represent 6% of the Dutch 16 million population. They have seven Parliamentary seats, out of 150, a record among other Muslim minorities in Europe. The Dutch tough immigration measures are only a point in a case. Other EU countries, like Britain, Spain, and Italy have already started the process of cracking down on immigration and adopting new policies of fortified borders. On Thursday, June 13, 2002, EU Interior Ministers approved a series of concrete steps leading eventually towards joint management of the European Union's external borders. Officials said there was broad consensus for the blueprint and accompanying timetable, put to EU heads of state and government at their summit in Seville, southern Spain next week. The summit takes place June 21-22 in the Andalusian capital, less than two weeks before Spain turns over the six-month rotating EU presidency to Denmark. Most notable is launching about a dozen priority measures to beef up intergovernmental cooperation, said the officials in Luxembourg. French Interior Minister Nicolas Sarkozy said his country was ready to coordinate a specialized center to combat criminal networks that deal in migrants. He told reporters that the French government favored intra-EU steps to ensure the return of some illegal immigrants to their countries of origin. Other initiatives agreed included an exchange of officials between points of border entry, joint programs for training border guards, and a computer network to swap information on bogus travel documents. Most of the measures are to become operational within a year. Before adopting the measures, the Interior Ministers examined a set of proposals from the Spanish EU presidency on combating illegal immigration. The European Commission thinks there might be 500,000 illegal immigrants in the EU, but it warns that a true picture is hard to get due to differences in the way that national data is collected. Thursday's meeting in Luxembourg came one day after the House of Commons adopted major changes to Britain's immigration and asylum laws. The Nationality, Immigration and Asylum Bill now goes to the House of Lords. A Spanish document is more focused on dealing with illegal immigrants who come to Europe by sea. It addresses the need to envision "measures against third countries that refuse to cooperate with the European Union in the fight against illegal immigration." Britain and Spain support such a perspective, but others like France and Sweden are reticent, and the idea is likely to be referred to EU foreign ministers who meet in Luxembourg Monday, June 17 to make final preparations for the Seville summit. For its part, Amnesty International warned Wednesday, June 12 against an EU "war" on illegal immigration, saying the number of asylum-seekers is actually on the decline. In an open letter from its Brussels office ahead of an EU summit in Spain next week, the human rights group said fear was allowed to dictate the immigration debate. "In the current climate of fear and suspicion, the balance seems to be swinging even further away to the point where human rights and in particular the right to asylum may be sacrificed for the sake of the further fortification of Europe," it said. Citing data from the UN High Commissioner for Refugees, it said the total number of asylum applications lodged in the 15 EU member states has been falling since 1999, when the Kosovo conflict caused many ethnic Albanians to seek refuge in western Europe. From 675,460 in 1992, during the violent break-up of Yugoslavia, and 396,700 in 1999, asylum applications declined to 384,530 last year, and 83,462 in January through April this year (Italy not included), Amnesty International said. "The numbers are relatively modest compared to those of many developing countries, where the vast majority of the world's refugees find shelter," it said. Immigration and asylum policy is set to be one of the top issues at the EU summit in the southern Spanish city of Seville. On June 4, 2002, the lower house of the Italian parliament also passed a series of anti-immigration measures swiftly condemned by opposition groups as "unjust and racist". The bill was approved by the conservative dominated house by 279 votes to 203, after a heated debate between the ruling coalition of Prime Minister Silvio Berlusconi and the left-wing opposition. If it passes the upper house, non-EU foreigners will only be able to live in the country if they have arranged work before entering, and they will receive a residency permit only for the duration of their employment contracts - up to a maximum of two years. The bill also makes family reunions more difficult - immigrants will only be allowed to bring their children to join them if they are under 18. The government, which has frequently linked immigration with crime, will make foreigners provide fingerprints for identification purposes, while those immigrants who return to the country after being expelled will be treated as if they have committed a crime. "There aren't sufficient adjectives to describe this law," said Graziella Mascia, a member of the Refounded Communist Party told the house before the vote. "It's unjust, fascist, disgusting, enslaving and racist.". http://www.islamonline.net/English/News/2002-06/15/images/pic58.jpg Caption: North African immigrants at a sit-in protest in Seville university, Spain. http://www.islamonline.net/English/News/20...article58.shtml ---- huh, sounds like some of the stuff people on this forum have been repeating.. mind control? political correctness? take your pick... what are they protesting against? the deportation of illegal immigrants? oh yes, right, go in, go in, destroy our country, we love all Muslims. we are tolerant... see, world, we're a multicultural country... now love us.

i'm taking a European and British novel course, and half the reading list is Russian writers.. lol. i had to read Notes from Underground, Happy Ever After, the Death of Ivan Ilyich, fathers and sons, and a few more i don't remember lol. notes from underground was pretty short and easy. so were the other ones. i haven't had that much problem with russian novels translated into english as i've had with french novels translated into english (madame bovary, etc. -- that book was ----> ) i was thinking about taking a russian lit. course, but now won't, because of this thread lol. btw, Gogol is Russian, no? i read one of his short stories for my satire class, and it was very good lol.

the jews can turn against whoever the hell they want, like i care. or are you scared for your pro-jewish *** if they come for us, because you're an Armenian and are scared that they'd classify you with the rest of us "anti-semites"? choose your allies wisely, and read the talmud before you choose jews as allies. their "holy" books allow the killing of non-jews if it is for the advancement of the zionist goal. as for your comment about whoever being a Turk working for the MIT, i don't know who it was directed at, but by the same token -- are you a jew working for the uhhh jewnited states of america?

yes, way to go, A-H... now stereotypes are supposed to be the things that guide our knowledge and lives, huh? Man, no wonder gamavor called you Moshe..

well, i'm replying to this one only to clear things up, because i have no intention to have any sort of dialogue with you (not that you are capable of any), but --- i wasn't talking about the alleged holocaust, just the "concentration camps" (yes, similar to the ones Japs were taken to in USA during WWII)...

hey A-H.... you cannot assume something happened (or at least in that massive a scale) without proving that it did happen. it's like assuming guilty until proven innocent... and so now you can see why jews are against us... whaaaaa. i thought you said jews were not against Armenians... but don't bother to reply to this one, because it's already off-topic and i won't go on with the holohoax discussion in this forum. but -- take the holohoax discussion to the genocide forum, not this thread. edit: wise words, mouse.

lol... the black and white fallacy yet again. one doesn't have to go and march with arafat if one is against zionism... edit: hey A-H, do you know anything about the false dilemma fallacy that goes something like this: "Either you're for me or against me."? Here's some details about that one: http://www.datanation.com/fallacies/distract/fd.htm

are you PMSing, sip? ...... but on the contrary, i think mr. thoth here has been playing the role of the attention seeker...

oh? how so? have any proof to that? lol no it is not OK for Saudis and japs to do that, unless they want to totally integrate into American society. that is the only time that immigration should take place. otherwise stay the hell in your own country if you want to go to japanese style buildings, or wear your national attire, etc. i want a land where lazy bums don't come into our country to sit around and be rude to me and take welfare money that my mom pays for in taxes and that i, in the future, will pay. if it's between choosing an all-white country and what USA and Canada are like, i'd choose the all-white country, sure. but in no way am i saying that all immigration should be put to an end, or that all Japs and Saudis should be deported. those who have integrated and are respectful of the laws of the country (instead of trying to create sharia courts in Canada!!!) are more than welcome to stay IMO. http://www.globalserve.net/~altona/cfirc/pictures/immi-mcd.jpg http://www.globalserve.net/~altona/cfirc/pictures/index.html Beijing, huh? http://www.canadafirst.net/pictures/1-2.jpg No, Vancouver..