Armenians Are Semites Now?

[Anaheet]

I cannot believe you just said Armenia needs a Hitler. Armenia was on the receiving end of a Hitler (Talaat ***** and his cronies), and you think we should grow our own?

 

Hitler was a monster. No country needs a leader like that. He led the corruption of his entire society, and then all of Europe.

 

You sound like a classic early 20th century eugenecist, except most of them would have classified you as being too dark to be part of their master race. You really think Armenians would have fared better than Gypsies in Nazi Germany? We're the same color, for crying out loud! (And yes, I have olive skin. My features are Armenian. As if that matters to you.)

 

And how dare you attack a black person! Haven't blacks been attacked enough by idiot white supremacists? Now you have to be an Armenian supremacist?

 

I just want you to know my father was stopped and threatened by the KKK- that's the Ku Klux Klan, in case you didn't know- when he was in the South in the '60s. He was too dark for them, you know. Him, a pureblooded Caucasian Armenian. Yes, us pure Indo-Europeans! I've heard the arguments!

 

Also, when my mother was about to marry my father, my great-aunt said something about how her kids would be 'black.' Hmmm, sounds an awful lot like your argument, doesn't it? Only in this case, my father was the 'otar.'

 

And what are you doing attacking Christianity? Do you really think the Armenian language or culture would have survived without it? Look at Azerbaijan- I've heard that the people there were once Armenian in language and culture. They became Turk because of converting to Islam.

 

That is besides the other benefits, less tangible, of Christianity.

 

I don't expect you to listen to me; your mind is closed. I'm just putting this out there for the record.

[Sasun]

It is amazing how some people fail to see that Hitler was a big LOOSER aside from being wrong on all moral counts. Germany suffered huge losses and moral damage that continues to hurt German national feelings today - just because of him. After the history has clearly shown the place of Hitler and his sick ideology how can a rational person want such a looser for leader ??? It is simply bizarre.

[sev-mard]

how can a rational person want such a looser for leader ??? It is simply bizarre.

The key word here Sasun is rational...

[koko]

"And what are you doing attacking Christianity? Do you really think the Armenian language or culture would have survived without it? Look at Azerbaijan- I've heard that the people there were once Armenian in language and culture. They became Turk because of converting to Islam."

 

Religion and nationalities/culture are different things. So we stayed armenian due to religion youre saying?Why shouldnt the armenian nation have survived without christinity, could you name an example, please?

[THOTH]

I cannot believe you just said Armenia needs a Hitler. Armenia was on the receiving end of a Hitler (Talaat ***** and his cronies), and you think we should grow our own?

 

Hitler was a monster. No country needs a leader like that. He led the corruption of his entire society, and then all of Europe.

 

You sound like a classic early 20th century eugenecist, except most of them would have classified you as being too dark to be part of their master race. You really think Armenians would have fared better than Gypsies in Nazi Germany? We're the same color, for crying out loud! (And yes, I have olive skin. My features are Armenian. As if that matters to you.)

 

And how dare you attack a black person! Haven't blacks been attacked enough by idiot white supremacists? Now you have to be an Armenian supremacist?

 

I just want you to know my father was stopped and threatened by the KKK- that's the Ku Klux Klan, in case you didn't know- when he was in the South in the '60s. He was too dark for them, you know. Him, a pureblooded Caucasian Armenian. Yes, us pure Indo-Europeans! I've heard the arguments!

 

Also, when my mother was about to marry my father, my great-aunt said something about how her kids would be 'black.' Hmmm, sounds an awful lot like your argument, doesn't it? Only in this case, my father was the 'otar.'

 

And what are you doing attacking Christianity? Do you really think the Armenian language or culture would have survived without it? Look at Azerbaijan- I've heard that the people there were once Armenian in language and culture. They became Turk because of converting to Islam.

 

That is besides the other benefits, less tangible, of Christianity.

 

I don't expect you to listen to me; your mind is closed. I'm just putting this out there for the record.

Anaheet - first welcome to our forum - i think you will like it here (racist rants by some aside)...and right on with your post - I like how you think.

 

It seems you and I share something of our backgrounds. My mother is Armenian and my father mixed Northern European. My mother experienced much discrimination due to her color/ethnicity growing up and it affects her attitudes to this day (and caused her to disuade me from learning Armenain - so like you I do not speak - and to this day she insists that I "be" American and forget everything about my Armenian heritage). She also experienced the same sort of racist attitudes from many of may fathers family - including from my grandmother - who never really accepted her as "white" - so i hear you.

 

So again welcome - stick around - we need more who think as you do (emphasis on "think")...and good luck on your quest to discover/understand your history/heritage/culture etc - I think that - for the most part - you will find this forum somewhat helpful (and interesting/entertaining/enlightening & worthwhile) in this regard.

[Anaheet]

Anaheet,May 28 2004, 04:41 PM]"And what are you doing attacking Christianity? Do you really think the Armenian language or culture would have survived without it? Look at Azerbaijan- I've heard that the people there were once Armenian in language and culture. They became Turk because of converting to Islam."

 

Religion and nationalities/culture are different things. So we stayed armenian due to religion youre saying?Why shouldnt the armenian nation have survived without christinity, could you name an example, please?

I'm just saying that it looks to me like if we had converted to Islam like everybody else, we would have adopted the less savory aspects of Arabic culture (polygamy for example) and the better aspects of our culture would have been lost. Loss of language would probably have followed as well- look at Iran, which lost its Alphabet, or Egypt, which lost its language.

 

By not becoming part of the Islamic "Ummah," we managed to maintain our cultural identity, our cultural integrity.

 

I'm not saying you're not a real Armenian if you're not a Christian.

[Anaheet]

Anaheet - first welcome to our forum - i think you will like it here (racist rants by some aside)...and right on with your post - I like how you think.

 

Thanks, Thoth. I'm flattered.

 

It seems you and I share something of our backgrounds. My mother is Armenian and my father mixed Northern European.

 

I've got the reverse- Father hye, mother not. My dad's a first generation immigrant, a ParskaHye from Khuzistan (southern Iran, by the Arabian Sea, so hot that the asphalt melts). His family was one of those who had been in Isfahan since Shah Abbas (I believe it was Shah Abbas) deported a whole bunch of them to build mosques and what-all. My mom's family's been in the US since it was the Colonies- since the 1600s. I like to say that makes me a typical American.

 

My mother experienced much discrimination due to her color/ethnicity growing up and it affects her attitudes to this day (and caused her to disuade me from learning Armenain - so like you I do not speak - and to this day she insists that I "be" American and forget everything about my Armenian heritage).

 

My dad encountered that sort of thing growing up a member of the Christian Armenian minority in Muslim Iran, and then again when he immigrated to America with a strong accent. He insisted that me and my brother get American first names (Anaheet is just a handle- it's the name of one of my dad's first cousins)- my mother, the nonArmenian, wanted us to be Ani and Ara!

 

She also experienced the same sort of racist attitudes from many of may fathers family - including from my grandmother - who never really accepted her as "white" - so i hear you.

 

So did my dad. That's not the only such story he can tell (the KKK thing). He still has the KKK literature they gave him. I think he thinks of it as a badge of honor. So do I, frankly. If the Klan hates you, you must be all right!

 

One of my ex-uncles (one of my aunts' ex-husbands) has said some nasty things about my dad. My dad calls him "Shoon Ferre-ghar." (The "ghar" part is supposed to be Farsi for "donkey," I don't know how to transliterate it. Of course "shoon" is dog!) He always enjoys his bilingual joke.

 

I think that kind of talk is silliness at best and virulently evil at worst.

 

So again welcome - stick around - we need more who think as you do (emphasis on "think")...and good luck on your quest to discover/understand your history/heritage/culture etc - I think that - for the most part - you will find this forum somewhat helpful (and interesting/entertaining/enlightening & worthwhile) in this regard.

 

Thanks, man. It's nice to know I'm not the only half-Hye floating around here.

 

I appreciate the welcome!

 

If I ever manage to make it to Hayastan, I'll let you guys know!

 

Oh, and true story: I am picking up more and more Armenian as I go along. My aunt (my dad's sister) is staying with us as she recovers from back surgery. She asked my dad "Ginis vordergheh?" and I immediately went to get it. I understood she was asking where was her wine. Ten years ago, I would not have been able to pick that up.

[sev-mard]

She asked my dad "Ginis vordergheh?" and I immediately went to get it.

Fridgei mech a, hamestek.

[Anaheet]

Fridgei mech a, hamestek.

 

Inch? Inch es asum?

[Azat]

He is inviting us over for food and drinks. Apparently Sev-mart is throwing a huge party for HyeForum members. When do I come?

 

"Fridgei mech a, hamestek." - it's inside the fridge, come over.

[mx5]

Religion and nationalities/culture are different things. So we stayed armenian due to religion youre saying?Why shouldnt the armenian nation have survived without christinity, could you name an example, please?

Christisnity was more a culture civilization and a way of living, in history we tried to preserve it,without it we would have become a musliman country and most probably joind and became either part of Persia in the 5th century(remember Avarayri baderazm by Vartan Mamigonian)or part of the Big Brother Turkey until the last century.and we would have siezed existing.

 

But if you think we should change our religion I dont think its too late,some are already preaching changing ethnicity...nothing offensive here!!

[THOTH]

Again Anaheet I hear you...I have a great Uncle (or some such) on my father's side who was a grand Dragon in the KKK down in Oklahoma...and much of my father's family was/(is?) proud of this fact!! ...so yeah I'm quite familiar with these type of attitudes...and much of my fathers family has been in the states since the very early 1800s...(and agree with your thoughts on racism/rascist folks...)

 

My mother's (Armenian) side is from Istanbul..and before that both sides were from some villages near Divrig - (Sivas region) in Anatolia...

 

BTW - you know expotentially more Armenian then I!

 

...oh yes and I too do like my

[sev-mard]

He is inviting us over for food and drinks. Apparently Sev-mart is throwing a huge party for HyeForum members. When do I come?

 

"Fridgei mech a, hamestek." - it's inside the fridge, come over.

Hey now, only certain members. I don't have room for all of you at the house.

[THOTH]

Hey now, only certain members. I don't have room for all of you at the house.

what are you saying? "ladies first"?

[sev-mard]

what are you saying? "ladies first"?

Now now, don't make it seem like the brotha is out here rounding up more Armenian ladies, you trying to get me shot!

 

One love of my life is enough. But seriously my place isn't big enough for all you rowdy drinkers.

[vava]

In that case, I'll come over by myeself Sev

[ED]

Now now, don't make it seem like the brotha is out here rounding up more Armenian ladies, you trying to get me shot!

 

One love of my life is enough. But seriously my place isn't big enough for all you rowdy drinkers.

Chorni jan dont you know you cant throw a party without me bleesing it first?

[koko]

Christisnity was more a culture civilization and a way of living, in history we tried to preserve it,without it we would have become a musliman country and most probably joind and became either part of Persia in the 5th century(remember Avarayri baderazm by Vartan Mamigonian)or part of the Big Brother Turkey until the last century.and we would have siezed existing.

 

But if you think we should change our religion I dont think its too late,some are already preaching changing ethnicity...nothing offensive here!!

Thanks for answearing that...

good point.

 

Though armenians were armenians before christianity as well, civilazation didn't begin with christianity.And armenians were though quite aware of their nationality before they embraced christianity as their offical religion(maybe thats why they did it!)

my point is that tehre is a differents ,

after all this time the armenians stand alone , beeing christian or not! there are nationalities that also took christianity as their faith and they all tried to run armenia , they failed though. Mostly by forced assimilation have armenians have given up their national heritage.

 

Greek-orthodox, the catholics. etc. everyone tried to have power over our church.

 

 

SO what religion would you suggest changing to?

Edited May 28, 2004 by koko

[Anaheet]

He is inviting us over for food and drinks. Apparently Sev-mart is throwing a huge party for HyeForum members. When do I come?

 

"Fridgei mech a, hamestek." - it's inside the fridge, come over.

 

So 'mech' is 'inside', then?

 

Cool.

 

Or should I say "Shat lav e"?

[Anaheet]

Again Anaheet I hear you...I have a great Uncle (or some such) on my father's side who was a grand Dragon in the KKK down in Oklahoma...and much of my father's family was/(is?) proud of this fact!! ...so yeah I'm quite familiar with these type of attitudes...and much of my fathers family has been in the states since the very early 1800s...(and agree with your thoughts on racism/rascist folks...)

My mother's (Armenian) side is from Istanbul..and before that both sides were from some villages near Divrig - (Sivas region) in Anatolia...

 

My grandmother said we were "Mushi," so I guess some of my ancestors came from Mush...my understanding of it's a little garbled.

 

Relatives in the KKK- OWCH! So we're getting it from both sides, aren't we?

 

Isn't human nature great?

 

BTW - you know expotentially more Armenian then I!

 

Wow! I thought I couldn't know more Armenian than anybody! Except maybe my brother...he is terrible at languages...after 3 years of high school Spanish he can hardly speak a word of it.

 

What I do is, I keep interrogating my relatives, and anybody else I find who speaks Armenian, and learning one little bit at a time.

 

...oh yes and I too do like my

 

So did my grandmother (Mezmom)! She kept singing this song about it...something about Armenians loving wine. Since all I knew of it was 'gini', 'wine', I never learned it, alas. Does that ring a bell for anyone?

 

Heto khosank! (TTYL)

[sev-mard]

Or should I say "Shat lav e"?

Che, "shat lav a" Arevelyan hayaren khosum em vor.

[THOTH]

True story - I took 4 years of French in school...and I finally made it to French 2! ..I'm not what you might say much of a language guy...right brain all the way...

[kakachik77]

The guy who wrote that piece is an uneducated moron who does not research his facts accurately before writing his articles. I wrote a reply piece to that stupidity which was published in Groong under Letters. The guy was simply wrong. And of course, it was useful to reiterate one more time "THE PRESENCE OF ARMENIANS IN THE MIDDLE EAST IS PRIMARILY DUE TO THE GENOCIDE BY TURKS!!!!!!!!!!!"

 

does anybody disagree?

 

Furthermore, I also saw some misleading facts about Jews and they were replies about those. Then they say why are Arabs losing the fight......brain power, stop praying five times a day and read some ***ing books.