sev-mard Posted May 27, 2004 Report Share Posted May 27, 2004 Concerning your statements on ppl believing that they can learn armenian language/history and replace a hye mard, where do you get such ideas. Do you know ppl who actually think this? No need to b.s. I'm sure I'm part of the impetus for your statement, and I don't for a second take on any such false ideas. I happen to enjoy learning and know how much it'd mean to my significant other if I could communicate in a language more comfortable to her. You said that you wonder why you had to be born into the burden of being Hye, I say the same daily as I deal with the ins and outs of being black and dealing with how people deal with me. Crossing over or becoming something else is not an option, nor do I want it to be. Anyway I'd just like to know your reasons for believing that ppl think they can replace armenians when dating an armenians, as if it is some sort of purposeful subversive act. I see your points and hear the rhetoric that you are preaching. What is your view on the state of "Armenianess" concerning SpuirkaHyes now? And how to you propose that Hyer reach the levels that you wish them to be at. Obviously stopping miscegination is the 1st step, yet after that what do you propose in order to advance as a people, race, and nation? Your views of cultural uniquness, purity and singularity aren't new, and there are people who think like you for every race in every country on the planet. In the end, when it's all said and done, what do you envision for your people and how do you propose you all go about doing it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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angel4hope Posted May 27, 2004 Report Share Posted May 27, 2004 vigil i dont know what your exactly getting at or who your aiming your argument against specifically- but please do not say things such as some people are idiots on this forum- u put it in a different ay -but i feel as if ure aiming this towards random people- and as a member of this foru myou have 2 respect everyones ideoloy even if u disagree with it- im sorry but thats just plain rude- i for myself understand wat ure arging- nd yes i completely agree that msot armenians- whether n this forum or nat are making choices that leads to the assimilation of uor culture and it becoming swept in with every oter culture- i yself dont like the idea of our culture beig degrded and armeinas marrying ot?er races- i wouldnt do it myself- ou yuo gotta draw a lin between individual freedom and cultural freeom- and espcially freedom of choice- since we do live in such a world -- we have t oaccept the consequences- becaus at the end of the day- the only thng you can control and worry about and be responsible for is/are your self and your own choices and not try to degrad others for their difference in opinion and choice- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
angel4hope Posted May 27, 2004 Report Share Posted May 27, 2004 please excuse the misspellings and typos the keyboard is acting up Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sev-mard Posted May 27, 2004 Report Share Posted May 27, 2004 (edited) Well you obviously got issues where some black person must have done you wrong because you responding with edged sword when I approached with with nothing of the like. As for the old statement about prositution in Armenia that you obviously haven't forgotten, look it up on this forum, because it was here that i was turned on to that and first heard it. For one I don't tell Armenians how to live, and for to you have made many comments on black, 'africans' lives and practices, so please remember what you've said when making new comments. I know more than to tell people of whom I'm not a part of how to live their lives. Check my words and see if I ever told Armenians how to do anything. The American population is 40% black, as of when? If you're counting all non-whites maybe, but last time I checked blacks as a group were below 20% easily. I'm not on a mission to steal your women, I met one, fell in love with her and from her began to really learn about Armenians, the genocide & history. No one is trying to replace you, but you're in such obviously pain I guess someone may have already replaced you at some point in time in your life. I'd say you'd have more to worry about with your men vs. your women when all of my hye male friends who I knew before I met my girl, have never dated a hye girl in their life. There are all kinds of things going on and you're simply reducing everything to hye - odar. Not everyone is involved in a conspiracy to destroy your race, as much as you'd like to believe that is so. I'm not saying I know exactly how you feel because one human can rarely say that he understands the point of view of another. Yet and still the blackness of my skin and my physical appeareance has me at a constant state of exposure that you can not understand. And I really could care less if you do, because that doesn't do anything for me. I'm not a hypocrite for loving a woman a love, because that is not against my personal code of ethics, even if it against yours. Call me a colonized english man if you see fit, once again showing your toughness via the interernet when you don't me from adam. This is all very easy, which is why I don't take the same routes as you. For what, making statements such as that when you have no idea what kind of person I am, where i'm from, what i know and feel, and how deep my heart and will run. You haven't a clue. As for me preserving "hip hop"...oh that's very cute and a typical answer of somebody who obviously has something against black folks. That's like me reducing all Hye culture to duduk and dolma, I give far more respect to you, and I don't much like you, so I suggest you do the same. Hey I don't think that all that hiphop is pushing is great, by no stretch of the imagination, but simply because you see so many "lost" hyer imitating blacks who I think are stupid as well, don't come attacking me with childish words because you're mad about that. you don't even know me. You're a whiner when it comes down to it. Is this about you not finding a girl friend? Because you went to the length of mention that I a better statistical chance of finding a black girl. FYI I hadn't dated a non-black girl before my current and went through a many thoughts during this process. But if you're worried about there not being enough girls out there for you, maybe your personality and not a lack of girls is the blame. I was asking you those things out of a desire to have a semi decent discourse with you about it. You obviously got grudges basing on things that you have dealt with that really don't have any thing to do with me per se. So I don't really have much else to talk to you about. Peace, be safe. Edited May 27, 2004 by sev-mard Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
axel Posted May 27, 2004 Report Share Posted May 27, 2004 Armenia needs an Adolph Hitler type individual, who sees the exploitation of other races, nationalities, and ethnicities preferable over his own races, ethnicities, and nationalities suffering at the hands of foreign rulers. I think Armenia first needs to get rid of imbeciles such as you. But it remains to be proved that you are in fact armenian which does not seem quite obvious to me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shaunt Posted May 27, 2004 Report Share Posted May 27, 2004 (edited) Vigil the Odar is spewing the same garbage that Carl Schmitt was spewing in the 1920's. These idiotic Us-Them, Friend-Enemy, Armenian-Odar, etc dichotomies have no place in the civilized world. You guys really ought to put down those Nazi propoganda pamphlets. "But it remains to be proved that you are in fact armenian which does not seem quite obvious to me." Very true; hence the name Vigil the Odar. Edited May 27, 2004 by shaunt Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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DominO123 Posted May 28, 2004 Report Share Posted May 28, 2004 Come on guys, don't get personal. Vigil, I think you are wasting too much energy at the wrong place, you are fighting a war that does not exist. You are undermining cuture against somethong that does not exist (race). What makes an Armenian an Armenian is not his "blood" or genetic makeup, but something much more magical, "culture," it is transmitted from generations to generations, it goes beyond "race" or anything else. What makes your computer your computer is more your files, what you have done with it, all recorded in its HD. I think this is all I had to say about this, it is the Armenian culture that must be conserved. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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DominO123 Posted May 28, 2004 Report Share Posted May 28, 2004 Vigil, I think you are mixing ethnicity with race, ethnicity and nationality do exist of course, race is a more vague concept invented for the taxonomy, an indexation. There is another race of human, the Homo Sapien Neanthertalis(now extinct) in comparaisoon with the Homo Sapien sapien. Blacks, whites, yellow etc... are all classified as Homo sapien sapien. You are right, it takes just more than reading books, it takes a shared history, in any form which makes you part of the culture, a part of its history, but again, this has nothing to do with the color of someone. People just come and go, culture has a longer life span, as long as it is transmitted generations to generations it survives, and what makes you part of this culture is the fact that you decide to preserve and transmit this culture. I admire the fact that you don't let religion blind you, but on the other hand, you replace religion with something else that in my opinion limits you as much. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sasun Posted May 28, 2004 Report Share Posted May 28, 2004 I think Armenia first needs to get rid of imbeciles such as you. And of course such action would require a Hitler to be on top of the job Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Armat Posted May 28, 2004 Report Share Posted May 28, 2004 Vigil by saying this I know I will become an "enemy" but sincerely few advise. 1.Read carfully before responding. TB and ED and others already know this and pointed it out. 2.I believe you are a sincere nationalistic Armenian but the danger is you are crossing the line to become a nationalistic chauvinist. The line is very delicate and others have fallen into the pit many times ie AR, Anoush, and the like.I am sure you met them already. 3.That's all Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ED Posted May 28, 2004 Report Share Posted May 28, 2004 Vigil, Axel, and who ever wrote or said anything offensive, used caps or dident comply with forum rules, clean up, or you'll get a warning, this is the last friendly warning you'll get! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THOTH Posted May 28, 2004 Report Share Posted May 28, 2004 (edited) Sev-Marde - hey there my man welcome back - and what a great post! (and sorry for not getting back to you...) Vigil - please get a life. While some of your concerns are valid on a certain level - I think your understanding of things is much too narowly focused. And your generalizations - and racist thoughts - as expressed - well I find them quite disturbing/disgusting - to say the least... And since when can Armenians be considered a "race"...Is this from the "Goebbles school of racial classifications".... Edited May 28, 2004 by THOTH Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
angel4hope Posted May 28, 2004 Report Share Posted May 28, 2004 while some of you are here arguing for or against the assimilation of our race/ethinicity or what not- im sure those who are doing the assimilation are going on with their lives- and diong what they please- you cannot dictate what each invdividual should or shouldn not do- although we dont liek what we see- we cannot make people do things- so save the harsh words and be nice 2 one another- afterall we all live in the same planet earth and have to learn how 2 get along- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THOTH Posted May 28, 2004 Report Share Posted May 28, 2004 those who are doing the assimilation are going on with their lives- and diong what they please- you cannot dictate what each invdividual should or shouldn not do Yes this is the crux of it. And being "Armenian" and "Armenian culture" etc etc is not a static thing - like everythign else it evolves... People have a right to do as they wish and have no obligation to conform to the wishes of others (about how they should be). Armenians have been a diaspora for many generations - and thay have adapted and done what it takes to survive. There are Armenians providing for their families and living succesfully and well in many cultures - who is anyone to say that they have made the wrong choices - and this extends to who the marry - very much so - I mean how much more persoanl doe sit get? If there are aspects of Armenian culture that are worthwhile to people - then the culture will survive...and you must also realize it is not just Armenain culture that is under attack (though understood - the argument of small numbers) - very few live in isolation anymore - time does not stand still - western society permeates all (do you really think Al Queda et al will win? etc).....the future is upon us - and we must adapt and survive - its just the way of things...work to make a better world - but OK - certainly respect/appreciate your past - live it if you must or can live no other way (but realize that most will not choose this path) - this world of today moves foreward regardless - we need to understand the dynamics of these changes and attempt to steer ourselves (all humanity) to a better future (this would be doing a true service)...so cheer up and make the best of it - (what good is it being bitter and hateful?) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gamavor Posted May 28, 2004 Report Share Posted May 28, 2004 (edited) Boy, if this third years student knew how much attention he got for nothing....Why are you so surprised. I know tons of Armenians from Middle East that look like Arabs. Do you think Arabs make any difference? That's why I said take it as a compliment of emancipation. And please next time when you discuss student papers even those in circulation and publication in the American Universities, please discuss them right there. Edited May 28, 2004 by gamavor Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
axel Posted May 28, 2004 Report Share Posted May 28, 2004 And of course such action would require a Hitler to be on top of the job this was not to be understood in a literal fashion Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sev-mard Posted May 28, 2004 Report Share Posted May 28, 2004 (edited) Barev, THOTH Just floating back through, getting into trouble as usual. Peace Edited May 28, 2004 by sev-mard Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anaheet Posted May 28, 2004 Report Share Posted May 28, 2004 Why are you guys so concerned about how you're labelled? If it's false - it's false. Great. Why worry? Would it be so 'degrading' if Armenians were put in the same category as the British? Or the Swedes? Or maybe East Indians would be more acceptable and less 'degrading' ?? C'mon folks - these ideas of racial/ethnic superiority are better left in the trash cans of the past century. Amen to that! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anaheet Posted May 28, 2004 Report Share Posted May 28, 2004 Concerning your statements on ppl believing that they can learn armenian language/history and replace a hye mard, where do you get such ideas. Do you know ppl who actually think this? No need to b.s. I'm sure I'm part of the impetus for your statement, and I don't for a second take on any such false ideas. I happen to enjoy learning and know how much it'd mean to my significant other if I could communicate in a language more comfortable to her. You said that you wonder why you had to be born into the burden of being Hye, I say the same daily as I deal with the ins and outs of being black and dealing with how people deal with me. Crossing over or becoming something else is not an option, nor do I want it to be. Anyway I'd just like to know your reasons for believing that ppl think they can replace armenians when dating an armenians, as if it is some sort of purposeful subversive act. I see your points and hear the rhetoric that you are preaching. What is your view on the state of "Armenianess" concerning SpuirkaHyes now? And how to you propose that Hyer reach the levels that you wish them to be at. Obviously stopping miscegination is the 1st step, yet after that what do you propose in order to advance as a people, race, and nation? Your views of cultural uniquness, purity and singularity aren't new, and there are people who think like you for every race in every country on the planet. In the end, when it's all said and done, what do you envision for your people and how do you propose you all go about doing it? Thank you very much. I agree with what you've said. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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