DominO123 Posted May 19, 2004 Report Share Posted May 19, 2004 Basically people who complain about never finding that right Armenian, are self-centered, think too highly of themselves, and are way too picky, and they shouldn't even bother waiting for an Armenian. I'm quite fed up with the "Ohh I can't meet the right Armenian". If you aren't going to compromise and youre way too individualistic to sacrifice, of COURSE you're not going to meet you're dreamy Armenian. Stop wasting time, and cut to the chase. Funny, and this comming from someone that never had a girlfriend. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azat Posted May 19, 2004 Report Share Posted May 19, 2004 Domino and Anonymouse will you two stop the game of just attacking each other. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anonymouse Posted May 19, 2004 Report Share Posted May 19, 2004 I'm innocent I tells ya, he started. But in any event, no one is forcing anyone to marry an Armenian, it's just those people that are pretensious about "not finding the right one" need to stop being prissy and actually compromise. You aren't gonna get the total package so move on. Personally, if I don't marry an Armenian, I won't bother marrying, but that's just me. I have a stronger will power than others. If you want to do whatever you want, fine, but don't make up silly excuses. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DominO123 Posted May 19, 2004 Report Share Posted May 19, 2004 Domino and Anonymouse will you two stop the game of just attacking each other. Hmmm... come on, I was just joking around. Perhaps was there a reply from him I havn't read? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gamavor Posted May 20, 2004 Report Share Posted May 20, 2004 Guys, you are pathetic I say every decent Armenian man should have an Armenian wife, (who cleans, takes care of the household, preferebly works, cooks and performs all other noble activities for the sake of the family) and......on a side has number of non-Armenian lovers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExtraHye Posted May 20, 2004 Report Share Posted May 20, 2004 Guys, you are pathetic I say every decent Armenian man should have an Armenian wife, (who cleans, takes care of the household, preferebly works, cooks and performs all other noble activities for the sake of the family) and......on a side has number of non-Armenian lovers. While the guy thinks the girl is doing the cooking and cleaning... A smart Armenian woman will pay someone else to do all of the above ... On the side, she would be partying with rich non Armenian hunks, the once who will wine and dine her While the "decent Armenian Man" is wasting his money. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gevo27 Posted May 20, 2004 Report Share Posted May 20, 2004 Dude I am going to explain this in a simple manner... ........ <<<<< riggggghhhhhhhhhhhttttttttt........... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gamavor Posted May 20, 2004 Report Share Posted May 20, 2004 Extra, I love YOU!!! Muah! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vigil Posted May 20, 2004 Report Share Posted May 20, 2004 (edited) Edited May 31, 2004 by Vigil Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harut Posted May 20, 2004 Report Share Posted May 20, 2004 Vigil i'm an armenian living in armenia, married to non-armenian. do i still lose my "armenianity"? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
loxxsqueen Posted May 20, 2004 Report Share Posted May 20, 2004 Vigil, I completely disagree with your ideology. I AM proud to be an Armenian, but not nationalistic. Armenians are not better or superior to any other group of people on this earth. Armenians see themselves so much that they end up dividing amongst themselves. Its ridiculous. Taking steps to preserve nationality is not the only thing that defines a nationalist. You are ludicrous to say that if an Armenian marrys outside that they are no longer Armenian. I am not sure yet where you get the justification to dictate such a statement. In your post you made A LOT of generalizations, even though I admit myself that it's hard not to do so.  Nothing I or any other Armenian out there does can take away their Identity... Not marrying outside, not experiencing, enjoying and respecting other cultures along with their own, not anything. Sorry you live in such a bubble. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mx5 Posted May 20, 2004 Report Share Posted May 20, 2004 Vigil, I completely disagree with your ideology. I AM proud to be an Armenian, but not nationalistic. Armenians are not better or superior to any other group of people on this earth. Armenians see themselves so much that they end up dividing amongst themselves. Its ridiculous. Taking steps to preserve nationality is not the only thing that defines a nationalist. You are ludicrous to say that if an Armenian marrys outside that they are no longer Armenian. I am not sure yet where you get the justification to dictate such a statement. In your post you made A LOT of generalizations, even though I admit myself that it's hard not to do so.  Nothing I or any other Armenian out there does can take away their Identity... Not marrying outside, not experiencing, enjoying and respecting other cultures along with their own, not anything. Sorry you live in such a bubble. nobody is claiming that we are supirior to any race or people, but from what i see around me here,number one reason for assymilation is marrying "odar". beeing pround of your armenianity to keep your children Armenian while you are married to a Guatimalian is not enough,one has to make tremendous effort to preserve their chldren's identity ,I will admit that beeing both parents armenians doesnt neccesarily make the task automaticaly easy . one can never be passive in this matters specially in diaspora. When I was a 15 years old kid I used to fall in love with every beautifull girl I saw!!.I appreciate beauty like most of you here. I remember my father telling me:"son dont confuse between love and marriage,they are completely differnt things"!!.I never realy understood what he meant. But deep in myself I knew that i was destined to marry an Armenian women,couldnt imagine myself otherwise,couldnt see myself speaking other than my own language in myown house,couldnt imagine myself other than debating with my wife and children about our peoples problems and whereabouts,we praise and criticise Armenians as if we do to ourselves,without beeing imbarassed from each other ,I wanted that we both have the same national dreams and feelings. Exactly 16 years ago I met my wife with a group of teachers we got aquainted and married within one month.we didnt even have the chance to know each others preferances. And now after 16 years I am deeply in love with her as she is with me. bottomline ladies and Gents,dont fool youselves ,you will never feel free if you are not married to your own kind, even if your aim is not even preserving your identity. the choice you make can easily destruct a civilization or preserve it so dont rush take you time before making that crucial decision which will have a great impact both on you your children and you culture. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vigil Posted May 20, 2004 Report Share Posted May 20, 2004 (edited) Edited May 31, 2004 by Vigil Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mx5 Posted May 20, 2004 Report Share Posted May 20, 2004 . I AM proud to be an Armenian, but not nationalistic. nobody is claiming that we are supirior to any race or people, but from what i see around me here,number one reason for assymilation is marrying "odar". beeing pround of your armenianity to keep your children Armenian while you are married to a Guatimalian is not enough,one has to make tremendous effort to preserve their chldren's identity ,I will admit that beeing both parents armenians doesnt neccesarily make the task automaticaly easy . one can never be passive in this matters specially in diaspora. When I was a 15 years old kid I used to fall in love with every beautifull girl I saw!!.I appreciate beauty like most of you here. I remember my father telling me:"son dont confuse between love and marriage,they are completely differnt things"!!.I never realy understood what he meant. But deep in myself I knew that i was destined to marry an Armenian women,couldnt imagine myself otherwise,couldnt see myself speaking other than my own language in myown house,couldnt imagine myself other than debating with my wife and children about our peoples problems and whereabouts,we praise and criticise Armenians as if we do to ourselves,without beeing imbarassed from each other ,I wanted that we both have the same national dreams and feelings. Exactly 16 years ago I met my wife with a group of teachers we got aquainted and married within one month.we didnt even have the chance to know each others preferances. And now after 16 years I am deeply in love with her as she is with me. bottomline ladies and Gents,dont fool youselves ,you will never feel free if you are not married to your own kind, even if your aim is not even preserving your identity. the choice you make can easily destruct a civilization or preserve it so dont rush take you time before making that crucial decision which will have a great impact both on you your children and you culture. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
loxxsqueen Posted May 20, 2004 Report Share Posted May 20, 2004 Mx5, FYI, Being a nationalist by definition says that you think your own kind are better over others, giving them preference over others in any case. When you were 15 yrs old, you didnt fall in love with every beautifyl girl you met, that was your hormones. And your father telling you dont confuse between love and marriage, exactly proves my point of Armenian marrying Armenian for the sake of it. You are truly LUCKY to have met someone and marry them in months time, and fall in love. That is NOT the norm.  And Vigil, to say that 'there is a concequence to every decision made in life' doesnt make sense. And for you to say that one has nothing to preserve because their kids are part Armenian (or whatever) and part something else is a horrific comment. Preserving LIFE is what the Armenian gentlemen who married non-Armenian will be doing. Are you telling him that his children's life will be of no value. You do you think you are? Further, marrying non-Armenian does not prove that you love yourself as an Armenian any less. If you let other people justify who YOU are as an individual, you have some issues. One can teach there part Armenian kids about history, to speak Armenian, Read Armenian, eat Armenian and YES baptize them Armenian Orthodox. THATS how one can preserve the "Armenianess" of his or her child. And that child can take those things with them in life and using your word 'maintain' their Armenian heritage. and just because you dont marry into your culture DOES not mean that you are not proud of who you are. .. you are ridiculous.  and how do you think our 4000 years of history came about. Through pure Armenians. Get Real.  Maybe YOU would lose your identity if you were to marry a non-Armenian, sounds like a phobia to me from all your comments. And yes, it takes two to procreate, but you dont lose 50% of your identity, how is that possible. What happens is a childs life is enriched by having an opportunity to grow up in a loving hope, with two well-rounded parents, who know who they , where they came from, who have common values and ideals, and will pass this on to their kids. If one marries a non-Armenian, why wouldn't they try to perserve their culture through there kids, even being part Armenian. THe child WOULD BE BORN with Armenian blood. Just because its only half , are you saying the child has no right to learn about Armenian culture, when in they ARE Armenian. Again, who gives you the right to dictate who is Armenian and who is not. And I do not live in the phobia stricken bubble you live in Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hye_Acher Posted May 20, 2004 Report Share Posted May 20, 2004 Intercultural marriages have very little chance of surviving and the ones that do survive end up adapting only one culture. I have seen many Armenians married to non-Armenians. I can see and feel that Armenian culture/identity is non-existence in their families. Why do we want to abandon a vision that God has placed in this world, which our ancestors fought and defended it? It all comes down to whether you choose to value what your ancestors have fought and defended for you. My duty today is easy. My grad-grandparents who were massacred in the 1915 Genocide had the tougher job. They are the ones who had to face the ultimatum. I DON’T!! Now the least I can do is keep our name and maintain our faith and heritage. We have to be proud of what we have instead ignoring and running away from it. This discussion has been brought up way to many times before. vay!!! Good Day!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vigil Posted May 20, 2004 Report Share Posted May 20, 2004 (edited) Edited May 31, 2004 by Vigil Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gevo27 Posted May 21, 2004 Report Share Posted May 21, 2004 nobody is claiming that we are supirior to any race or people, Claim it or not, a national survey has revealed Chineese people to be the most intellegent people overall, and Armenians to be the second most intelligent people overall give me some time i will find the link to this!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sip Posted May 21, 2004 Report Share Posted May 21, 2004 ... give me some time i will find the link to this!! bet you if you were chinese, you'd have found the link already Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dude Posted May 21, 2004 Author Report Share Posted May 21, 2004 I understand we all fall for some one,but I also thing that's the main reason to marry someone but not the only one.(Karmir kov@ira kashin chi poxi). Mez chi haskana sarn otaruhin....So many things we'll see after marrage,when we see that our wifes want to go to vication with their girlfriends,when she wouldn't like that your kids are tryin to speak armenian cuz she doesn't understand.God bless those who has forighn wifes it's something they need to worry about.We all are victms of our desissions .....every night before i go to sleep I ask God above to do the things which are right for me not the things I want....but I always also ask to give me an armenian wife,so I can keep my roots and language,culture and my last name.............I'm not a rasist but I love armenians the best and I know that I can love my armenian wife the best. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
loxxsqueen Posted May 21, 2004 Report Share Posted May 21, 2004 Vigil, I'm surprised your head hasnt exploded yet Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mx5 Posted May 21, 2004 Report Share Posted May 21, 2004 (edited) Loxxesqueen I dont know why anyone is offended as an Armenian when dubbed as a nationalist,our beeing nationalist is purely deffensive it is centered mostly at preserving ourselves as Armenians in diaspora or helping Armenia in whatever way we can. during our entire history both ancient or recent we have never been an agrassor ,we did much more harm to ourselves than we did to any "odar". In Lebanon where I live 95% the reason of assimilation is the Odar marriage. most of the time the Armenian side is prohibited by the Arab partner to speak armenian on the excuse that he/she ,the Arab Husband or wife doesnt understand the language.(Do you think that I am an a$$hole here speak Arabic so that I can understand)the Armenian side is always intimidated and gives in as ussuall.And you tell me about Nationalism or chauvenism?!! as for me I fell in love when i was 15 and still cant help myself when I encounter a gourgous female,but I always keep on reminding myself that Im married!!.females may not understand this but most of the males will remain that way untill they die it must be genetic..my male hormons are not dead yet,as you imply, and believe me,in that respect, I dont feel much different from a 15 years old kid!! Edited May 21, 2004 by mx5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExtraHye Posted May 21, 2004 Report Share Posted May 21, 2004 Extra, I love YOU!!! Muah! I know you do Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gamavor Posted May 22, 2004 Report Share Posted May 22, 2004 One of the many reasons why I love you is becuase you are as Sadana as Evelina! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harut Posted May 22, 2004 Report Share Posted May 22, 2004 Vigil i'm an armenian living in armenia, married to non-armenian. do i still lose my "armenianity"? Yes, you do ... what do i become? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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