How to make tabuleh

[vava]

Wow - lots of great opinions/variations of vegitarianism! I think the common denominator here is to paty attention to what you eat - fresh products (meat & veggies) from reputable markets/farms, clear of additives, herbicides, steroids etc. are obvious/ideal choices. It's not alwyays easy to get, and definitely NOT inexpensive, but I think it's worth it in the long run.

 

Sasun, you're right to be reticent of unnecessary pharmaceutical intervention - diet & excercise go a long way to remedying what ails you

[angel4hope]

oh owww... no more soymilk in da mornin 4 me.... im scared! well since im allergic to milk and dairy products-- although i cant give up cheese .... i dont drink milk at all- only soymilk- but after reading these stuides, im having second thoughts....

[Armat]

oh owww... no more soymilk in da mornin 4 me.... im scared! well since im allergic to milk and dairy products-- although i cant give up cheese .... i dont drink milk at all- only soymilk- but after reading these stuides, im having second thoughts....

Drinking soy milk everyday would be a nagative thing.If I were a woman I would stay away from pruducts which according to many studies not just one that soy is high risk for breast cancer.

Angel jan eat lot of broccoli-very high on calsium and citrus including peppers.I would also take calsium food substututes.They are inexpansive and organic source ones are great.

[Azat]

Armat jan, why is it that the Japanese who drink alot of soy milk and consume all kinds of soy products have a MUCH lower cancer rate than he rest of us. And I am not sure about the IQ levels and brain size or anything like that but they sure are brighter than the average American

[Armat]

Armat jan, I don't trust those studies much because they often contradict each other. Just wait a year and you will see a new study pointing something different about tofu. I trust more the observation by people that tofu is healthy, that vegetarians are healthier and skinnier than meat eaters. Those studies are limited in nature because they don't research the net effect. For example, meat eaters are less likely to get to 75-80 than tofu eaters. So who cares if you brains is a little smaller and older at that age.

Human mind will look for all kinds of things to justify some of the bad habits.

For example, meat eaters are less likely to get to 75-80 than tofu eaters. So who cares if you

You made me on that one.My grandfather died at 95 and he hated vegis and how did you come out with that numbers anyway

Sasun j

I eat meat but I don’t eat meat everyday. This is the point and very important one that your body needs variety different nutrients and compounds to function in a healthy way. Eating same thing of anything is bad for your health.

You can reduce your cholesterol by eating lean proteins including meats, duck, chicken after you trim the fats.

Number one cholesterol increase is actually butter. I use olive oil for everything including when I make omelets. Olive oil actually decreases cholesterol. I weigh 156 lb for the last 15 yr. and have very low cholesterol and I eat anything I want.

[Armat]

Armat jan, why is it that the Japanese who drink alot of soy milk and consume all kinds of soy products have a MUCH lower cancer rate than he rest of us.  And I am not sure about the IQ levels and brain size or anything like that but they sure are brighter than the average American

Azat j

Actually japanese diet is extremely high on seafood which counteracts against nagatives of soy.

By John D. MacArthur

"Tofu Shrinks Brain!" Not a science fiction scenario, this sobering soybean revelation is for real. But how did the "poster bean" of the '90s go wrong? Apparently, in many ways -- none of which bode well for the brain.

In a major ongoing study involving 3,734 elderly Japanese-American men, those who ate the most tofu during midlife had up to 2.4 times the risk of later developing Alzheimer's disease. As part of the three-decade long Honolulu-Asia Aging Study, 27 foods and drinks were correlated with participants' health. Men who consumed tofu at least twice weekly had more cognitive impairment, compared with those who rarely or never ate the soybean curd. [1,2]

"The test results were about equivalent to what they would have been if they were five years older," said lead researcher Dr. Lon R. White from the Hawaii Center for Health Research. For the guys who ate no tofu, however, they tested as though they were five years younger.

What's more, higher midlife tofu consumption was also associated with low brain weight. Brain atrophy was assessed in 574 men using MRI results and in 290 men using autopsy information. Shrinkage occurs naturally with age, but for the men who had consumed more tofu, White said "their brains seemed to be showing an exaggeration of the usual patterns we see in aging."

Soy Interferes with Enzymes

While soybeans are relatively high in protein compared to other legumes, Enig says they are a poor source of protein because other proteins found in soybeans act as potent enzyme inhibitors. These "anti-nutrients" block the action of trypsin and other enzymes needed for protein digestion. Trypsin inhibitors are large, tightly folded proteins that are not completely deactivated during ordinary cooking and can reduce protein digestion. Therefore, soy consumption may lead to chronic deficiencies in amino acid uptake. [8]

this was Domino's point Soy's ability to interfere with enzymes and amino acids may have direct consequence for the brain. As White and his colleagues suggest, "isoflavones in tofu and other soyfoods might exert their influence through interference with tyrosine kinase-dependent mechanisms required for optimal hippocampal function, structure and plasticity." [2]

High amounts of protein tyrosine kinases are found in the hippocampus, a brain region involved with learning and memory. One of soy's primary isoflavones, genistein, has been shown to inhibit tyrosine kinase in the hippocampus, where it blocked "long-term potentiation," a mechanism of memory formation. [9]

Tyrosine, Dopamine, and Parkinson's Disease

The brain uses the amino acids tyrosine or phenylalanine to synthesize the key neurotransmitters dopamine and norepinephrine, brain chemicals that promote alertness and activity. Dopamine is crucial to fine muscle coordination. People whose hands tremble from Parkinson's disease have a diminished ability to synthesize dopamine. An increased incidence of depression and other mood disorders are associated with low levels of dopamine and norepinephrine. Also, the current scientific consensus on attention-deficit disorder points to a dopamine imbalance.

Soy has been shown to affect tyrosine hydroxylase activity in animals, causing the utilization rate of dopamine to be "profoundly disturbed." When soy lecithin supplements were given throughout perinatal development, they reduced activity in the cerebral cortex and "altered synaptic characteristics in a manner consistent with disturbances in neural function." [10]

Researchers at Sweden's Karolinska Institute at the National Institutes of Health and are finding a connection between tyrosine hydroxylase activity, thyroid hormone receptors, and depleted dopamine levels in the brain -- particularly in the substantia nigra, a region associated with the movement difficulties characteristic of Parkinson's disease. [11-13]

Soy Affects the Brain via the Thyroid Gland

Tyrosine is crucial to the brain in another way. It's needed for the body to make active thyroid hormones, which are a major physiological regulator of mammalian brain development. By affecting the rate of cell differentiation and gene expression, thyroid hormones regulate the growth and migration of neurons, including synaptic development and myelin formation in specific brain regions. Low blood levels of tyrosine are associated with an underactive thyroid gland.

Scientists have known for years that isoflavones in soy products can depress thyroid function, causing goiter (enlarged thyroid gland) and autoimmune thyroid disease. In the early 1960s, goiter and hypothyroidism were reported in infants fed soybean diets. [14] Scientists at the National Center for Toxicological Research showed that the soy isoflavones genistein and daidzein "inhibit thyroid peroxidase-catalyzed reactions essential to thyroid hormone synthesis." [15]

Japanese researchers studied effects on the thyroid from soybeans administered to healthy subjects. They reported that consumption of as little as 30 grams (two tablespoons) of soybeans per day for only one month resulted in a significant increase in thyroid stimulating hormone (TSH), which is produced by the brain's pituitary gland when thyroid hormones are too low. Their findings suggested that "excessive soybean ingestion for a certain duration might suppress thyroid function and cause goiters in healthy people, especially elderly subjects." [16]

Thyroid Hormones and Fetal Brain Development

Thyroid alterations are among the most frequently encountered autoimmune conditions in children. Researchers at Cornell University Medical College showed that the "frequency of feedings with soy-based milk formulas in early life was significantly higher in children with autoimmune thyroid disease." [17] In a previous study, they found that twice as many diabetic children had received soy formula in infancy as compared to non-diabetic children. [18]

Recognizing the risk, Swiss health authorities recommend "very restrictive use" of soy for babiesIn England and Australia, public health agencies tell parents to first seek advice from a doctor before giving their infants soy formula. The New Zealand Ministry of Health recommends that "Soy formula should only be used under the direction of a health professional for specific medical indications. Clinicians who are treating children with a soy-based infant formula for medical conditions should be aware of the potential interaction between soy infant formula and thyroid function." [19]

Thyroid hormones exert their influence during discrete windows of time. Inappropriate hormone levels can have a devastating effect on the developing human brain, especially during the first 12 weeks of pregnancy when the fetus depends on the mother's thyroid hormones for brain development. After that, both maternal and fetal thyroid hormone levels affect the central nervous system.

A 1999 study published in the New England Journal of Medicine showed that pregnant women with underactive thyroids were four times more likely to have children with low IQs if the disorder is left untreated. The study found that 19% of the children born to mothers with thyroid deficiency had IQ scores of 85 or lower, compared with only 5% of those born to mothers without such problems. [20]

Thyroid, Brain, and Environmental Toxins

Children exposed prenatally and during infancy to common environmental toxins like dioxin and polychlorinated biphenyls (PCBs) can suffer behavioral, learning, and memory problems because these chemicals may be disrupting the normal action of thyroid hormone. [21]

Soybeans grown in the United States contain residues of the pesticide dieldrin, an organochlorine similar to DDT. Although both chemicals were banned in the 1970s, dieldrin still persists in soils and is absorbed through the rootsToday it is the most toxic residue found on domestic soybeans. [22] In Silent Spring, Rachel Carson warned that dieldrin is nearly 50 times as poisonous as DDT. In addition to disrupting hormones, it can have long delayed neurological effects, ranging from loss of memory to mania. [23]

Combinations of insecticides, weed killers, and artificial fertilizers -- even at low levels -- have measurable detrimental effects on thyroid and other hormones as well as on the brain. [24] EPA scientists now want to upgrade the commonly used herbicide, atrazine, to a "likely carcinogen." In animal tests, atrazine attaches to sites on the hypothalamus, a crucial brain region involved with regulating levels of stress and sex hormones. [25]

Individuals newly diagnosed with Parkinson's disease were more than twice as likely to have been exposed to insecticides in their home, compared to those without the disease. [26]

Edited March 17, 2004 by Armat

[Armat]

This is from 20/20 on soy.

http://abcnews.go.com/onair/2020/2020_0006...oy_feature.html

[DominO123]

Armat jan, why is it that the Japanese who drink alot of soy milk and consume all kinds of soy products have a MUCH lower cancer rate than he rest of us. And I am not sure about the IQ levels and brain size or anything like that but they sure are brighter than the average American

The protection against some diseases is partly due to Japenese consuption of fish.

[gurgen]

Raw fish, that is. Very low fat indeed.

[Sasun]

You made me on that one.My grandfather died at 95 and he hated vegis and how did you come out with that numbers anyway

My mother's grandpa died at 101, he used to eat butter and honey every morning, all kinds of grease food in the afternoon with a shot of vodka. (But in his last couple of years he wouldn't recognize anyone in his family except for his sons and daughters.)

Such cases are exceptions from the rule. I am talking about statistics, vegetables are pure compared to meat and that affects ones health and longevity.

 

Eating same thing of anything is bad for your health.

 

I agree with this. There are many more types of vegetables than soy products. I believe one can be fine with vegetables only. Probably the best diet would be a moderate use of lean meat and fish and heavy concentration on veggies.

[DominO123]

Oups Armat, I also forgot to tell that Soy has as well reduce the chance of having other forms of cancers while increasing the risks at the same time. So it really depend on people, for some the increased risk will overweight the rudction of risk, and for others etc... bahhhh!!!

 

 

Here more about it.

 

Antiproliferative crude soy saponin extract modulates the expression of IB, protein kinase C, and cyclooxygenase-2 in human colon cancer cells

 

Hwa-Young Kim a, Rina Yu b, Jeong-Sang Kim c, Young-Kyoon Kim d and Mi-Kyung Sung

 

 

I will be posting just the "discussion(of the results)" part, as the study is a little too long. If anyone is interested to have the study for whatever reasons(such as for vegees to justify their decisions to be vegees ) I could email the entire study. I have bunchs of them for many other conditions and their links with nutrition... so if some are interested we could start a thread on the science and technology forum about that.

 

"Discussion

 

Epidemiological studies have indicated a negative relationship between colon cancer risk and the use of non-steroidal anti-inflammatory agents (NSAIDs) [19, 20 and 21]. Also, chemopreventive effect of different NSAIDs has been demonstrated in animal colon carcinogenesis models [22, 23, 24, 25 and 26]. Overexpression of COX-2, the prostaglandin H synthase-2 is known as a major target of NSAIDs. In colon tumor tissues, higher COX-2 expression and prostaglandin E2 level have been observed compared to those in normal colon tissues [27 and 28]. Also, significantly less intestinal adenocarcinoma was formed in COX-2 null mouse compared to those in COX-2 wild-type animals [29]. Overexpressed COX-2 accumulates PGE2, which is known to stimulate cell proliferation and tumor growth, and to modulate immune responses [30]; however, precise mechanisms involved in the actions of anti-inflammatory agents are not fully understood.

 

Our findings indicate that crude soy saponin extract significantly reduce colon adenocarcinoma cell growth with down-regulations of COX-2 and PKC expression. Also, decreases in COX-2 and PKC expression was inversely related to IkB degradation indicating soybean saponin possibly interfere the NFB-dependent signaling pathway by suppressing IkB degradation. The NFB pathway is an extensively studied signal transduction cascade involved in inflammatory responses during carcinogenesis [15]. Different types of mitogens including TNF-, TPA, and LPS stimulated IB kinase, which phosphorylates, decomposes, and dissociates IB from NFB. Free NFB is able to bind a nuclear binding site, which induce COX-2 expression [31]. Therefore, the anti-inflammatory activity of saponin may be partly due to its direct interaction with cell membrane, which possibly interferes mitogen binding to cell membrane followed by inhibition of the NFB associated signal transduction pathway.

 

We have previously shown that crude soy saponin extract inhibit the PKC activity by modulating translocation of PKC from cell cytosol to cell membrane [11]. Recent studies suggest major down-stream effector systems of protein kinase C in cellular signaling include various MAP kinase cascades and a number of transcription factors regulating cell proliferation and apoptosis [32]. Also, the increased COX-2 expression is known to release diacylglycerol [33]. Therefore, the up-regulation of PKC possibly contributes to COX-2 expression, which in turn, activates PKC.

 

A number of reactive oxygen species including nitrogen oxide and peroxy nitrite are suggested to activate NFB, and thereby, increase COX-2 expression [34]. Studies have also indicated NF-B stimulates expression of inducible nitric oxide synthase (iNOS), thereby accumulates nitric oxide, which may contribute to the overexpression of COX-2. Our previous reports suggested crude soy saponin extract possess significant antioxidant activity, which possibly reduces oxidative DNA damage [35]. Soybean saponins have been shown to contain 2,3-dihydro-2,5-dihydroxy-6-methyl-4H-pyran-4-one (DDMP), and DDMP (1 mg/ml) possesses a strong radical scavenging activity equivalent to 17.1 units of superoxide dismutase [36]. Therefore, saponin extract-induced suppression of COX-2 induction may also be attributed by their radical scavenging activity.

 

In summary, our data indicate that a possible mechanism involved in anticancer activity of soybean saponin is partly mediated through their anti-inflammatory action. These results provide a molecular basis for the anticancer activity of soybean saponins. Further studies on their in vivo efficacy are currently under investigation."

[gevo27]

you know, in CA you have a 4.7 % chance of dieing in a car accident before you reach the age of 40. And in Montana, for whatever reason that number is HUGE!!! there you have a 37.4 % chance of dieing in car accident before age 40...

 

WHat are the odds of dieing from eating too much meat? or too much tofu? or too much soymilk>???? LMAO// not bad at all.. i couldnt find any numbers on it, but i imagine it being less than 1%.. no?? lol...

 

SO! i think saying my grandpa lived till 101 or my uncle lived till 98 doesnt really mean much.. its the quality of life for those last 40 years that really matters.. no>?>

BTW: since we are at it, over 80% of people who smoke more than a pack a day will die before age 40... that is WAAAAy worse than car accidents.. lol.. and the quality of life for smokers contains.. well allot of coffe and caughing :P lol...

 

ANGEL I HATE SOY NILK!! BUT IF YOU LIK EIT DRINK IT!>>> I HATE BROCCOLIE>> AND I COULD TAKE A BULLET IN THE LEG BEFORE I TASTED IT!!! YUCKKK i eat wahtever i want.. and only time i care for health is when someone is nagging me aout it.. anywho.. sry a little off topic here.. i figured this was a nice chit chat health/dieing rate thread.. lol..

[Azat]

you know, in CA you have a 4.7 % chance of dieing in a car accident before you reach the age of 40. And in Montana, for whatever reason that number is HUGE!!! there you have a 37.4 % chance of dieing in car accident before age 40...

because there are no speed limits in Montana. It says drive at a "prudent" speed on their signs.

[gevo27]

because there are no speed limits in Montana. It says drive at a "prudent" speed on their signs.

then what the hell am i doing here in CA????????????????????

 

SON OF A GUN!!!! i didnt know that.. i thaught that was only some parts of Canada

 

Screw CA, im moving as soon as i possibly can.. hahah.. no more checking the rear view mirror for cops.. no more looking ahead to find cops on biked hidden behind tree trunks, no more radar detectors. :P hahha.. the world is minnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn hahah... lol..

 

wait.. what would i do with my degree in Montana?

[Azat]

Gevo key the word is "prudent" If the cop feel that you were driving too fast for the conditions(ie traffic, weather, road conditions) you can still get a ticket for speeding. But I was doing 120 in a rental few years back from Banff to LA

[gevo27]

Gevo key the word is "prudent" If the cop feel that you were driving too fast for the conditions(ie traffic, weather, road conditions) you can still get a ticket for speeding. But I was doing 120 in a rental few years back from Banff to LA

actually the speed limit that overrides all signs or posted limits for CA is also

 

and i quote; "What is safe for conditions at hand" you can go 5 in a 25, if the cops feels its too fast he gonna burn yeah !

[Maral]

Now how did you all get from Tabouleh to speed limits in Montana!

[Stormig]

At the end of the day, practice moderation with everything - even veggies. You don't wanna burst yourself when trying to get all that fibre.

[gevo27]

Now how did you all get from Tabouleh to speed limits in Montana!

[Sasun]

At my second attempt I made a great tabuleh It is not only me who thinks so but everyone who has tried

Azat jan, thanks again for the recipe

[ExtraHye]

Soooooooooo, when are you inviting us for tabuleh!!!???

[Sasun]

Hmm... let me think. Why invite anyone if I can eat it all by myself

[gurgen]

Where is your Hye hospitality Sasun

[Sasun]

Gurgen jan, my Hye hospitality is with me always. But when it comes to tabuleh I forget about it

(I have to confess, my hospitality ran out also with a shameless guest whom I had to kick out of the house. The guy asked for a shelter for a few days but stayed four months, what else could I do?)

[gurgen]

The guy asked for a shelter for a few days but stayed four months, what else could I do?

Hahaha was he Armenian?

 

Sure sounds like one.

 

We had people knocking on our door one day, saying: 'We are from the village [insert random Armenian ****hole here, don't remember the name], could we stay for a couple of days? We got your address from your friend Hamlet.'

 

Those Hyes