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[Azat]

a very interesting vegetarian you are then azat.. lmao.. a vegeterian that eats meat.. couple of times a month.. and worse.. SUSHI!! hahaha

Gevo jan, which part was the interesting part?

 

by far majority of vegetarians eat fish.

 

Ovo Lacto Vegetarian.

Don't eat fish or meat but will eat eggs and other dairy products.

 

Lacto Vegetarian.

Don't eat fish, meat or eggs but will eat milk and other dairy products.

 

Vegans.

Don't eat fish, meat or any dairy product. Avoid any products of animal origin e.g. don't eat honey. Eat food from plants only.

 

Vegetarian

Don't eat meat but will eat fish, eggs and other dairy products.

 

 

(in my case I do not eat eggs[except in pastry creams] and never drink milk, but will eat cheese. I have not had any meat(beef, or port or lamb or any) and chicken for 12 plus years now)

 

Sushi, there is NOTHING better in this world than sushi. Well okay one thing is better, but you can't just survive on that.

[Armat]

Vegetarian

Don't eat meat but will eat fish, eggs and other dairy products.

Technically not correct right?Fish are animals.So what's with the Veg.....thing.I mean isn't little on your face wrong termanalogy.You can simply say I don't eat meats.

Azat jan I am not picking on you just that lot of people who are "vegi" think themselves morally superior when they violate the very concept of Vegiterianism.

[Armat]

BTW, Armat, I think most Veal comes from Dairy farms (they don't need the male calves, so they sell them off young as veal) So if you don't agree with veal, don't drink milk

 

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Vava jan, Most commercial Veal the calve is kept inmobile in little cube space and fed milk or corn.I personnaly feel uncomfortable eating tortured animals.Same way I feel about commercial dairy cows therfore my family has been drinking organic none hormoned free cow milk for years.This is my choice and I understand lot of people can not afford organic dairy products but honestly prices of organic has fallen dramitically.Even me on peanut budget is able to afford it.

[Azat]

Technically not correct right?Fish are animals.So what's with the Veg.....thing.I mean isn't little on your face wrong termanalogy.You can simply say I don't eat meats.

Azat jan I am not picking on you just that lot of people who are "vegi" think themselves morally superior when they violate the very concept of Vegiterianism.

Rubo jan, Sorry if I mis understood you... But I have NEVER claimed that I am superior to anyone by not eating meat. In fact I have absolutely no problem cooking all kinds of different meat dishes for others and I do it all the time. As a matter of fact last night at 10, I was BBQing at a friends party.

 

I do not eat meat for a different reason than most vegetarians. I saw a show on PBS on the slaughter houses in CA and that was the last day I ate meat.

[Armat]

I do not eat meat for a different reason than most vegetarians. I saw a show on PBS on the slaughter houses in CA and that was the last day I ate meat.

That is the same reason I buy organic and also the reason I soppurt those kind farmers who work hard to overcome mega commercial industry which does things to animals which I rather not get into.

[gevo27]

Rubo jan, Sorry if I mis understood you... But I have NEVER claimed that I am superior to anyone by not eating meat. In fact I have absolutely no problem cooking all kinds of different meat dishes for others and I do it all the time. As a matter of fact last night at 10, I was BBQing at a friends party.

 

I do not eat meat for a different reason than most vegetarians. I saw a show on PBS on the slaughter houses in CA and that was the last day I ate meat.

then i find it afe to claim PBS as damagin legitimate business and sales for meat packers and slaughter houses all across the world.. !!! BOYCOTT BOYCOTTT

[Sasun]

Armat jan, as far as I understand there is no superiority in any type of vegetarianism. I have been thinking and procrastinating to become one (Ovo Lacto Vegetarian) for some time until recently I was diagnosed a quite high level of cholesterol and became a vegetarian right away I am not supposed to eat meat, eggs and diary products but can eat fish. I eat vegetarian pork, for example, and its just fine

 

BTW, I principally never ate veal for the same reason.

[gevo27]

Armat jan, as far as I understand there is no superiority in any type of vegetarianism. I have been thinking and procrastinating to become one (Ovo Lacto Vegetarian) for some time until recently I was diagnosed a quite high level of cholesterol and became a vegetarian right away I am not supposed to eat meat, eggs and diary products but can eat fish. I eat vegetarian pork, for example, and its just fine

 

BTW, I principally never ate veal for the same reason.

but this is health related

[Sasun]

but this is health related

Yes Gevo jan, but before I learned about my health problem I was planning anyway

[Stormig]

This is off topic but some vegetarians claim that humans are not naturally involved to eat meats.

The latest science discoveries actually prove that without the consumption of animal fats and protein our brain would not have literally grown that is in our evolution animal proteins were instrumental shaping our very own brain.

It is also within nature's design to occasionally put species through hardships, I think. I haven't done any reading about these things for a while, but I get the idea that we may have lost some of our own functions once we became lazy (or got our bodies lazy) with the start of technology (flint, fire, etc.). Can someone please remind us what the appendix which occasionally spurts up in appendicitis was used for?

It was our brains that led to our disfigurement, if I may be allowed to say so. In the case of pandas, why a carnivore is so lax and slow that it can't hunt and has to eat plant matter (or eats plant matter and is slow, chicken or the egg) is even more a mystery.

 

 

And, yes, pomegranate syrup for taboulli.

[Stormig]

Even if I admit we're incapable of consuming raw meat by design (teeth, lack of claws, etc.), I just love, love, love meat.

[Sasun]

I ate raw meat many times, before making dolma I ate the prepared meat with the spices and rices. It is delicious and there is no need to chew.

[Sasun]

You want easy or are you willing to spend some time cooking? "Sut dolma" also know as Sarma is a great vegi dish, but takes a while to cook

 

Give me hints and I am sure Maral and I can give you lots of recipes, although if I were you I would stay away from Marals recipes as they are not as good as my recipes are. (why do I have a feeling that Maral is going to kick my behind one of these days?)

Azat jan, I am mainly looking for easily prepared food for lunch that I can take to work. I heard there are many things that use tofu. But I like sut dolma also and will prepare that and other fancy (more time consuming) stuff once in a while. I used to make great dolma (with meat), I would beat many housewives in that field.

[Stormig]

I ate raw meat many times, before making dolma I ate the prepared meat with the spices and rices. It is delicious and there is no need to chew.

If it is dolma you are talking about, it must be minced meat. Try eating meat off a carcass, without a knife, without flint, with your bare hands and teeth. (WARNING: don't try this at home!)

[Sasun]

Try eating meat off a carcass, without a knife, without flint, with your bare hands and teeth.

I would try but I am a vegetarian now

[Maral]

I'm just curious...do vegetarians have that fake meat,fake chicken tofu/vege stuff??

I've tried some of those items and they are pretty good.

The Soyrizo(chorizo sausage)is good...the fake chicken nuggets are good...ummm...some of the fake burgers are good,once you dress them all up:)

Edited March 16, 2004 by Maral

[MosJan]

tes te inchpes im sirun Xorovatsy trad@ vegetarian darstretsin

Iy Iy

[angel4hope]

eeeeew thats gross raw meat.... i hate that raw meaty thing my mom makes- grosses me out all da time- whats it called...somekinda koofta...id rather eat tofu than that-- thats y i stick to my chicken and green salad hehe all u (beef) carnavores out there- lol

[Azat]

I'm just curious...do vegetarians have that fake meat,fake chicken tofu/vege stuff??

I've tried some of those items and they are pretty good.

The Soyrizo(chorizo sausage)is good...the fake chicken nuggets are good...ummm...some of the fake burgers are good,once you dress them all up:)

I have Maral jan and I like it alot. Especially Tofurky

[Maral]

Azat,haven't tried that...but if you like sausage type thingies...of course it doens't hold it's shape well,but you can fry it up crubled....a bit spicy...so good...in an omelette with some salsa....I think all the supermarkets sell it...SOYRIZO

 

MOSJAN,bet ya if we keep going you'll be a vegetarian soon

MOS,technically this was a tablouleh thread btw!

Edited March 16, 2004 by Maral

[Armat]

Sorry people live it to me to ruin the Tofu party.

My fellow dear Armenians if you want to get stupid literally then eat tufo.I am not making this up.Read on

 

Too much tofu

induces ‘brain aging,’

study shows

 

A Hawaii research team says

high consumption of the soy product

by a group of men lowered

mental abilities

By Helen Altonn

Star-Bulletin

 

 

Tofu is touted for its health benefits, but also may pose health risks, says a Hawaii scientist.

 

A Hawaii study shows a significant statistical relationship between two or more servings of tofu a week and "accelerated brain aging" and even an association with Alzheimer's disease, says Dr. Lon White.

The Pacific Health Research Institute researcher urged caution at a recent conference in Washington as scientists from around the world discussed the role of soy products in the prevention and treatment of disease.

 

The symposium was sponsored by giant soybean growing and processing firms such as Archer Daniels Midland and DuPont.

 

The largely unregulated food supplements industry is preparing to step up sales, claiming that isoflavones, plant chemicals found in high concentrations in soybeans, offer "natural" cures for breast cancer, osteoporosis, prostate cancer, heart disease, menopausal "hot flashes" and other chronic conditions.

 

 

Negative conclusions

But, White said in an interview, "The majority of scientists said the data they were talking about for beneficial effects on health is very weak" and doesn't really support health claims for soy foods.

White and his associates have been studying diseases and aging in a group of Japanese-American men who volunteered for medical research in 1965. The Honolulu Heart Program began with 8,006 men born from 1900 through 1919. They were identified through World War II Selective Service registration records.

 

In comparing the dietary habits and health of the Japanese-American men in the study group between 1965 and 1993, White said the scientists found "a significant link between tofu consumption during midlife and loss of mental ability and even loss of brain weight."

 

The men were questioned about 27 foods and drinks, with data showing that those who ate more tofu were apt to have impaired mental ability, White said. Tofu was the only consistent link among the men, he said. The rate of brain impairment, which normally increases with age, also went up faster in the men who ate the most tofu, he said.

 

"The test results were about equivalent to what they would have been if they were five years older," he said. "Guys who ate none, their test scores were as though they were five years younger."

 

The brains of 300 men who died also were examined in a unique autopsy study conducted as part of the Honolulu aging project, White said. The 300 men didn't appear to have had any more strokes than the average person, and their blood vessels didn't look different.

 

"But what I did see was (that) the simple weight of the brain was lower," he said. Shrinkage occurs naturally with age, but atrophy progressed more rapidly in those men who had consumed more tofu, White said.

 

He said the wives of about 500 men also provided information about what they ate, and the findings correlated with what their husbands said.

 

 

Stark contrast

So the scientists obtained four independent indicators of an adverse effect from frequent eating of tofu and changes in the brain with aging, White said.

Those who ate a lot of tofu, by the time they were 75 or 80 looked five years older, he said.

 

"Why in the world would that happen?" he said. "Everyone knows protein in tofu and soy is wonderfully nutritious. Everyone knows fats are wonderfully nutritious.

 

"But more and more and more over the last five to 10 years, people have been claiming the health benefits of soy foods are less related to its nutrient composition, proteins and fat, and more related to other molecules that occur in tofu made by soy plants and act as pharmacological agents."

 

Isoflavones, the most talked about, "are molecules that the soy plant makes while it's germinating to help it fend off mold and other things that attack the plant in the ground," White said.

 

They're plant molecules that look like estrogens but they're not natural estrogens, he said. "When they get into cells, they actually affect the metabolism of cells. They inhabit certain kinds of enzymes and alter (the) metabolism of cells.

 

"The bottom line," stressed White, "is these are not nutrients. They are drugs. They will have some benefits and some negative things."

 

 

Groundbreaking work

White said his study, to his knowledge, is the only one to show strong evidence of serious adverse effects from a soy product. His group is seeking a new National Institutes of Health grant to continue research on the effects of tofu.

It may be beneficial for heart disease and bones, White said. "We don't know. All we know, in our study, is there appears to be an adverse relationship."

 

Among those at the conference was Finnish scientist Herman Adlercreutz, who became interested in soy after observing that breast cancer and colon cancer were less common in Japan than in Finland. His studies 20 years ago led to a scientific explosion of interest in soy and its components.

 

Adlercreutz believes more dietary soy, a staple of Asian diets, would improve the health of Americans and people of other Western countries. But he said at the conference, "I am myself frightened a little bit by all of this. There is so much we don't know."

 

Mark Messina, a soy foods expert and former researcher with the Diet and Cancer Branch of the National Cancer Institute, told the scientists, "It's simply not possible as yet to draw any conclusions about soy consumption and cancer prevention, but further research is certainly warranted."

 

Companies that make money from soy products are pushing hard to have people think of them as "perfect food," White said

 

"But if we're talking about soy foods containing substances that have effects on health that aren't nutrients, that are not vitamins, or fat, but change how cells operate, they're acting as drugs act. And the way we think of them should be how we think about drugs."

Edited March 16, 2004 by Armat

[Armat]

This is why among other reasons why my family does not eat Tofu.I am grooming two world chess champions and would not take the risk

 

Another health risk is Isoflavones, it can act like estrogen, a natural hormone important in the development of both male and female humans.

Isoflavones are very high in soy also this chamical can increase the risk of breast cancer.

If you want to read more just type in Isoflavones+soy+health risks.

 

Once again I appologize to Vegiterians but I am only concern since I don't work for beef or soy companies.

By the way before you read all the BS and propaganda about Soy make sure the info is not coming from soy producers and their paid labs.Read a university study.

Edited March 16, 2004 by Armat

[DominO123]

This is why among other reasons why my family does not eat Tofu.I am grooming two world chess champions and would not take the risk

You are doing good, I hope you are not considering turning you or your kids to total vegetarianism. Whetever vegees says, there is very important nutriments that they lack of. Vegee compagnies add some of thems, like B12, but they are syntetic and does more harm than good. For instance the B12 added in tofu and vegee products is cyanocobalamine which has a cyano grouping that act as a poison... There is as well fatty acids like Omega 3 in its animal form(EPA and DHA), the vegetal form(ALA) has to be converted to the animal form before being used, and the body(liver etc...) efficiency to turn it to this form is under 10%. I can give many examples like this. In my opinion Sasun is doing a mistake by cutting entirly meat, I myself am a fake vegee, I can not cut meat entirly, it is really not healthy to do so.

 

Ah and Sasun, why not taking those new medications for cholesterol?

[Armat]

Domino jan,I love meats,birds,fish veges. I guess I am more like a color palate would not want to paint with an extremely limited colors.I think of vegis eating all pinks and purples, softies no real reds!or bold black!

[Sasun]

Domino jan, I think diet is a lot better than taking medication. At my age high cholesterol is not dangerous yet to rush in medicines, so I will take my time to reduce.

However, I should point out, a second test showed a much lower rate (46 points less than the first one) though still a little higher than desirable. That makes me think either one of the tests was wrong, or I have done something right in a 10 day period.

By the way, I am a fake too, I eat fish, not that I should be considered a vegetarian anyway because I just started and don't know how long it will last.

 

Armat jan, I don't trust those studies much because they often contradict each other. Just wait a year and you will see a new study pointing something different about tofu. I trust more the observation by people that tofu is healthy, that vegetarians are healthier and skinnier than meat eaters. Those studies are limited in nature because they don't research the net effect. For example, meat eaters are less likely to get to 75-80 than tofu eaters. So who cares if you brains is a little smaller and older at that age.

Human mind will look for all kinds of things to justify some of the bad habits.