European girls!

[TigrannesIII]

1)You'd get beat, like them freaks who tried startin a hare krishna thing

2)Devin George looks funnier than Sam Cassell

[Azat]

1 That is a very Christian thing to do.

2 not much worse than Shaq...

[Arturian]

Harut you misunderstood me. I am just saying that they don't really care about the look. Our girls rather spend more time on that. I was in Armenia 5 months ago. About Victorian age, you misunderstood me.

 

Sip, i don't know what made you think that my signature was directed towards you or other people. It was a general quote. I will cange if it is very offensive towards you and your level of intellegence.

 

Azat, cmon maaaan Do you really think that London girls dress better than russians? Maybe it is the matter of tastes, then no problem bro.

 

I again ask moderators to delete Kazzas signature. If you won't change, I will have to leave this forum, I am sure you won't cry for me , but I can't take this disgrace.

[Marjam]

Arthur, I know what you're talking about. European gils dress in a different way: like they really don't care. But do you know why? They are busy with other things than just think how attrack a men. Our girls (in Armenia) spend their whole time on make-up and they tolk abouth nothing buth clothes and money. In Europe people have the money and the clothes. They are interested in other things. Our girls take their best clothes for going to shop. In Europe they take this clothes when they go to special places. That's the difference! I live in Europa for 10 years now and I know what I am talking about, believe me.

[hasmiek]

i think artur should get his ass out off europe and not come back if he dislikes everything here so much.

 

if everything is better in armenia for you: stay there, we don't need people like you here; you make armenians look like fanatic muslims!

[Kazza]

Winston, my friend! You go boy!! I MUST write you an e-mail. I hope everything's going okay these days 4 u... you can tell all in your reply!

[Kazza]

Artur, If you read my post you'd know that it WASN'T SERIOUS and it was only a JOKE. You know? Like a joke? Those things that people have a LIGHTHEARTED LAUGH about, a bit like this whole thread really. I thought you'd see it like that !

I thank you for your respect Artur, and I was going to say it was nice to see you and Tigrannes as well, but after all this about "what would happen to people like us" that was just plain nastiness for no reason whatsoever.

I agree that members should respect the values and traditions in the forum, as it is an armenian forum for us to get away from it all for a while and be ourselves. But who sets them? Who last made YOU a moderator to tell other members like you what values we should live up to. Artur can I ask you specifically what offends you about my signature? I don't see anything in it against the code of conduct. There is nothing negative in it, no hatred. Do you want me to say sex is ugly, armenians are ugly, don't enjoy life, is that better. It's not as if i am saying make love to everybody. And don't DEMAND the moderators for your own way as if you are spoiled! If you hate it so much as them nicley or else don't look at it at all! It's not going to kill you. Mabye i was stupid for thinking you are halfway intelligent!

I am really dissapointed again.

NO regards.

[THOTH]

Kazza -

 

I was going to ask the exact some thing - but you beat me to it. (am anxiously awaiting your email BTW)

 

So now I will answer for Artur instead:

 

Of course sex is bad - and girls in particular shopuld not even say the word or even imply anything to do with it. Armenian girls who do so should be lashed or stoned. And shame on you women - thinking of sex as something enjoyable - it is merely a service to your man - and the means of making more little (facist) babies.

 

No, Armenians are not ugly. In fact their/our women are the best in the world - with no competition - the women of other nationalities are just ugly gorrilas - I would wipe them all off the face of the earth if I could - they disgust me so - with their poor standards of dress and their promiscuity and all. And I would kill all fat people (Juggernuts I guess that means you)

 

And we should not enjoy life. As this earth is not pure or perfect we should just scowl and complain about it all of the time. We should continually compare it to our facist ideal place - you know heaven (or my {Artur} idea of such. This is a place where there is no joy, no freedom of expression, everyone moves in lockstep (images from Pink Floyd's "The Wall" spring to mind)

 

And the hashish thing...well smoking anything is bad for you. If you smoke they should cut off your nose. *(well they drink it in India - so perhaps thats OK...but perhaps that is why they have always been so promiscuous over there - with the sexy costumes & dance...not prudes [like me] certainly not) - OK kill all of them too....

 

 

There - now Artur can spare us his answer. And if he does decide to leave us (Hye forum) - you can call on me to come up with his very predictable response (or just make it up youself - as we all know him by now).

 

And as for Tigrannes....sigh...to think he is at the young, expiremental age of his (so short) life - at a point where he should be most open to new ideas, idealistic and all - and look what a terrrible old man he has become already...so close minded and negative. I truly fear for him for the future...though perhaps he will grow out of it (when he becomes less insecure about being an Armenian)...while there is still some time to enjoy life.

 

Oh & Tigrannes - when you do finally move to Armenia (we are still waiting) - will you be bringing your satellite dish to recieve all of you Bucks & Packers games? (And just how will that cheese-head go over in Yerevan fashion circles?) Are you waitng for the McDonalds in Republick Square? Do you think they sell Polo there? Perhaps you could become the Armenian snow board team for 2006...

 

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Originally posted by Kazza:

 

Artur can I ask you specifically what offends you about my signature? I don't see anything in it against the code of conduct. There is nothing negative in it, no hatred. Do you want me to say sex is ugly, armenians are ugly, don't enjoy life, is that better. It's not as if i am saying make love to everybody. And don't DEMAND the moderators for your own way as if you are spoiled! If you hate it so much as them nicley or else don't look at it at all! It's not going to kill you. Mabye i was stupid for thinking you are halfway intelligent!

 

I am really dissapointed again.

 

NO regards.

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[ February 27, 2002: Message edited by: THOTH ]

[TigrannesIII]

1)I don't snowboard.
2)Sports are just a distraction, not a necessity.
3)I don't even have satellite or cable here.
4)I'm moving there once everything here is settled.

[THOTH]

Tigrannes -

 

In all seriousness I think it is great. I'm not sure it will turn out for you as you envision (though I don't know what you are fully thinking in this) - but I know that it will change your life (and hopefully/most likely for the better). I really look foreword to talking to you at some point after you have been there a while - I suspect your perspective(s) on a great many things will be different...

[Azat]

Artur, I did not say that they dress better. I said I did not see any big differences. Certainly people in their "everyday life" do dress nice in Moscow, but London people dress very chic when they go out.

[khodja]

Thoth,

 

Your answers for Artur and his type fit him perfectly. I could not have answered better myself.

[Arturian]

I believe this will be my last post on this forum, so I will reply to everyone's post.

 

Kazza, there is such this called disgrace. And it is disgraceful for me to see that Armenian girls act like english, with no self respect and talking about sex in such free manner. I believe our girls are not like that and have more selfrespect. They show shyness and being modest. If you don't see the problem here and you don't understand what I am talking then you belong to non-armenian category girls. No comments...

 

Thoth, there is a very good saying in Armenia. Whatch only things you say, don't intervene. You have showed how non-serious person you are. As i understand you have family and kids. It is just sad that person like you comes and spends his time on such silly thing as forum and tries to play a joker instead of going and earning money for the kids and the family. When i think about man of your age i imagine my father being in your place, that makes me lagh how ridicioulos that would be. Think about it, you are not a kid to act so childish towards me and especially Tigrannes (read your last post and think), you have a family to take care of and protect. Be more serious, man.

 

 

Hasmiek, i never meant to offend. I never meant to offend any armenian girl on this forum. As i will be the lowest man on earth if I did. About me disliking, there are many good points about europe in general. I think this is forum and we have a right for opinions. But it doesn't matter, because we are armenians and we should appreciate our mentality and lifestyle. And that's just what I am doing. I apperciate what we have more than anything, 90% of people here rather don't appreciate our way. No comments...

 

To Nvard, I believe you are the only true Armenian girl with mentality, acts etc. that matche our way. I have known Nvard for a long time and i can say that. Others rather act as european/american girls. I will not comment in order not to offend the girls who have Armenian blood inside.

 

Hagarag jan, what did I ever do to you? Did you get offended by me appreciating armenian way? Don't answer that, cos i won't read it.

 

 

Tigran, keep up bro. You are on the right track. The first non-armenia born, non-armenia raised guy who respects our mentality and follows our way. GOD bless you bro, you have my ICQ, keep in touch.

 

And for all, GOD bless you and your families and all your relativies may peace be upon you all.

 

 

Bye!

Artur

[khodja]

Artur,

 

I think it is wrong for you to leave this forum. Nothing positive comes from lack of dialogue. Those of us in Europe, America, South America, Australia, etc. have different perspectives than Armenians of Russian sphere of influence and Middle East.

Armenia is now entering world sphere and will deal with growing pains as it relates to ideas of the West. Stay and be part of the ensuing dialogue.

[Juggernaut]

mmmm, this is indeed disturbing. Artur I must admit becuase I've lived in Australia for 10 years I have become used to the behaviour that is present on this (Armenian) forum, and you are absolutelly right in your criticism, but these people wont understand because they havnt lived in Armenia for any length of time during the 'pre-democtratic' period.

 

And you shouldn't leave becuase it will only make them think that we are weak in our beliefs.

 

THOTH,

 

I would think for your age you would have been more serious (about appropriate matters) and intelligent. Thats all I'm going to say, because there is no point in argueing, Im only going to get ridiculled.

 

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And I would kill all fat people (Juggernuts I guess that means you)

 

Since when did fatness equate to uglyness? I certainly dont consider those grotesquelly shaped 'super-models' as the best specimens of our species (and no I dont consider myself to be either, because I know thats what you would have said).

[hasmiek]

he Juggernaut

 

TOTH was being sarcastic to make his point, you don't have to get all dramatic about it now.

[Harut]

just for your info:
as far as i can tell, satellite dishes are more popular in Armenia than here.
if you go to Armenia, the one thing that you cannot miss is "nicely" decorated buildings with all kinds of antennas and satellite dishes.
and for McDanolds:
last time i was in Armenia, 3.5 years ago, only in the small corrner of the city of Yerevan, where i lived, there were already number of fastfood places with very high standards.

[nellie]

Arthur, one way a man can show his true manliness is to withstand criticism. You shouldn't leave the forum because certain people (well in this case, 98% of people) disagree with your opinions. it may not seem like it, but we're all trying to respect your opinions, it's just that to us, you seem extremely narrow-minded. why are you offended by Kazza's signature? the word "sex" coming out of an armenian girl's mouth should not offend you. kazza is not promoting promiscuity, and i'm sure she's not running around having sex with everybody she comes into contact with, even if she was it would be of no concern to us. (let's try not to inflict our beliefs onto everybody else).

[nellie]

As far as the dress issue is concerned....wellll, I guess a lot of it is just a matter of taste. I would agree on one thing though, european girls don't pay as much attention to their looks as armenian girls do. this is because european girls actually have more on their mind than armenian girls. I for example, would love to look my best all the time, but with the type of lifestyle i lead, it is nearly impossible.

I wake up at about 6:00 every morning, exercise and run for about 45 min, come home, jump in the shower, and unfortunately i don't have much time to put make-up on and dress all "girly", because i gotta make it to school on time. what happens when classes are over, i come home, cook, eat, go to work, after which I hit the library to study. i feel most comfortable in jeans (or sweats), a t-shirt, and my hair up in a bun or pony tail. most girls in armenia, however, wake up every morning, dress all fancy, and for what might I ask? to go and wait in line for an hour to get bread, all the while hoping that some man is going to notice her. only thing she's got on her mind is marriage.

[Arturian]

It is not about critisism, me being against everyone etc. It's about Kazza's signiture. It is a public forum and it is an Armenian forum, so i believe we should comply to the morals and ethics of Armenian society. Many foreigners especially Azeris visit this site. And it is disgraceful.

 

I ask moderators to demand the removal of the signiture from Kazza. If not then, i can't be here, it is shameful for me to see an Armenian girl with such signiture. Our girls are not hash smokers and they don't talk about sex in public!!! It is immoral!

 

I won't reply and comment anymore until the signiture is removed.

 

Artur

P.S. Jegrnaut I appreciate your post. It is good to see a guy who respects our culture.

 

[ February 28, 2002, 06:05 AM: Message edited by: ARTURian ]

[THOTH]

Artur, Artur, Artur, and Juggernuts and perhaps Harut too (don't know) -

 

First - I can be plenty serious when the need/topic arises. But do you really believe that this topic - your contention that European Girls dress poorly or such is a serious topic? If it is to you then I can only say you need to lighten up. You need to lighten up. And please - you needn't worry about my taking care of my family in any way (My wife has a very good job you know...LOL!). And you worry enough aparently....

 

And Jugs baby - I am sorry if my joking with Artur offends you - no offense meant. I imagine there is not much else to do in New Zealand than eat and survey the available sheep...

 

To all: I understand that there are tremendous differences in attitudes East & West - and that this gulf may not be bridged anytime soon (with some people). I also would never want to appear culturally arrogant or such and I understand that those of us in the West can also learn form people of other cultures and that we ourselves (our societies) have some very real problems in a number of areas.

 

At the same time I find sexist and racist attitudes very distasteful - regardless of the rational. It is my opinion that any reasoning person should be able to understand these points and realize that even though these may have been the ways of the past, they are not ideal behaviors and attitudes. While Artur and Juggernaut may have an Old World view in this regard I am hoping that perhaps they are intelligent enough to understand why these old ways are in many ways just wrong - and that they certainly should not be a model for the future. In any event - the rest of the world is realizing this from a practical standpoint and society is changing accordingly.

 

At the same time I can understand how people who emerge from more traditional backgrounds will make ceretain (mis) assumptions concerning the dress and behaviors of women (and perhaps men) in the West - this is entirely understandable. In some cases their critiques might be valid - and certainly no one can claim that life in the West is perfect - there is terrible crime and other sick/violent behaviors etc (not that some of this doesn't existis in traditional societies - talked about or no...). But - I think most of the examples cited arise more from a misunderstanding/unappreciation of realities in the West and how we live/our values then any true critique that we are doing it wrong. Womens dress is a perfect example and I think Nellie has explained it very well. (though if I saw her out in public perhaps I too would wish that she was wearing some pretty dress and was all made up [from a purely selfish viewpoint on my part]...then again I imagine she might look pretty good in jeans and a...lets see living in Southern California....hm, lets at least make it a halter top...LOL)

 

I find it funny that Artur seems to be complaining that English women don't dress up and look frumpy and such while at the same time when they do he seems offended that they look like (or act like) whores/sluts etc (from his perspective). I'm sorry that he feels that way and is so offended - and I aympathize with his confusion etc - the issue in my mind though is how Artur makes these blanket judgemental statements that we in the West are somewhow categoricaly wrong and that his perspective is the only valid one. Well - from the git go that makes him not serious in my eyes - so if I respond accordingly - well I apologize. I am more than happy to respond seriously when addressed in such a manner or to comment seriously on serious subject matter.

 

And as for Artur leaving the forum (or otherwise acting petulantly) well - I am sorry for him that he is so closed minded (and un-fun). I do not encourage him to go - and certainly welcome all (non nasty) perspectives and belive that those of us who have adopted Western ways can benefit from exposure and information from our (more traditional) brethern....however I will not cry the blues if he leaves either as I do not welcome the manner he often expresess (what to me are) his extreme and uncomprimising/uncomprehending views.

 

[ February 28, 2002, 07:54 AM: Message edited by: THOTH ]

[TigrannesIII]

I think it's great that most of these spiurgahyes are completely assimilated. It shows that the Turks won.

[THOTH]

quote:

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Originally posted by TigrannesIII:

I think it's great that most of these spiurgahyes are completely assimilated. It shows that the Turks won.

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Well yes they did "win" didn't they (do you really think otherwise). And I am sure that Armenians (who have grown up in the West) had they been living in Anatolia instead would have grown up differently with different values - maybe not your very constricted values though - as Armenians in Western Anatolia were much more cosmoplitan then you give credit - my family certainly was.

 

In any event - its a moot pont - and time neither goes backward nor does it stand still. It is entirely unrealistic to expect that Armenians in America or elsewhere would not assimilate local values and customs etc (and we have always done so in any place where Armenians have been in every period). In addition these values are spreading world wide - and by and large I believe they are good values (sure certainly with some drawbacks and problems).

 

Another thing you should consider (and I certainly do) is that if it were not for your family comming to America and intermarrying with Odars - you wouldn't be here and neither would I. If you choose to return to your roots or what have you - well thats great - thats your decision - for yourself. But do you really think that by attempting to claim superiority over the rest of us - who have chosen a different course - that you will really win any converts? I don't think so. I think it makes you feel good and helps you to justify the decision you have made for yourself (though I also think you are far more Western then you will ever admit). So I encourage you to go to Armenian and see what it is really like - be it your ideal or whatever. I think you will be in for quite a shock - and you will return with a much greater appreciation for what you have here. Though i really hope that if you do go you will find a balance and a maturity to prosper in both worlds and can do something worthwhile to make a difference. Do you have what it takes...? W'ell just have to see....

[hasmiek]

Oh man, what a sorry-ass stupid discussion this is. All these fanatic Armenian boys remind me of this guy I used to know, he was always so fanatically Armenian, going there every year, making a fool of me dating white boys and not going to our Hayastan every time I had the chance to… Last thing I heard about him was through my mom, he met this Moroccan chick, got her pregnant and lives with her now (nope not married)

And guess what?? He said all the same stuff as Juggernaut, Artur, Tigranness and who ever more who states that everybody who adapts to the counties they live in is ‘not Armenian’.

 

Well,at least he saw the light, and lightened up, let’s hope you boys do so too.

 

Cheerio!

[MosJan]

"I ask moderators to demand the removal of the signiture from Kazza. If not then, i can't be here, it is shameful for me to see an Armenian girl with such signiture. Our girls are not hash smokers and they don't talk about sex in public!!! It is immoral!"

 

Artur stop demanding, and see if you can bee nice to KAzZa, talk to her nicely, then shi might change her signature.