hasmiek

one of the nicest first dates i had was when I met this guy, lets call him S. in university, we decided to go to a student protest thing the next day wich was in another city. we would both ask other people to join so we could go with a whole bunch of people and protest really fanatically. So I didn't ask anyone, because i'd rather be with just him; and he had done the same thing, so at the trainstation, the 'group protest' turned into a date. We went to the protest for 2.5 minutes, and then spent the whole afternoon in the park drinking wine and eating liquerish and other candy and ended up really sick and in love. the ending is less happy, but that's for another forum.

hmm, i don't thinks so... and you should see it on a big screen! Otherwise one would probably fall asleep -there is hardly any talking in it. it's very much an image film...

heya! last week I spent the whole week watching movies at the rotterdam film festival, there I saw this armenian film/documentary (it is something in between) by Harutyun Khachatryan, called "documentarist" or "vaveragrogh" in Armenian...I have to say I was sceptical when i went but the film was amazingly impressing and filmed beautifully. would advise it to anyone if you have the chance to see it! (but be ready, it gives a kinda depressing image of armenia) you van read more about it on this link http://www.filmfestivalrotterdam.com/en/film/29685.html

Stormy, I soo understand that! the thing is I can't say wether i'm a believer or not, i just don't know, don't think about it to much and am very satified with the 'i don't know' mindset i'm in. And I like to go to the weddings, but picturing myself in it makes me feel very weird. that's why I guess I'd rather not get married at all...

David, Love, trust, comfort, warmth, humor,common interests,intelligence...good reasons to be with a man eventough he is not Armenian. And I live my life as me (an individual), not as an Armenian, the 'being Armenian' is definetely a part of me, but not everything... my boyfriend by the way knows Armenian tradition very well, he's been with me to weddings and baptisms, easter and everything, met my whole family, been stuffed by my mom with loads and loads of food (she thinks we're to skinny), plays backgammon and cards with my dad, and is learning a little bit of armenain, it's getting harder to speak behinhd his back already. but still, you can't force anyone to believe in God.

white signifies a color that make me look very pale, so pale that i look pretty dead, pretty but dead.

what happended armogirl? something that wouldn't have with an armenian guy? well, then to finish up the story; we wanted to comprimise to my parents last night, we would set a wedding date, but they shouldn't have to much expectations of it becoming a church wedding. We came up with the plan to have a seventies disco wedding party on a boat in the docks of rotterdam (really fascinating place!). But I would get married in a white dress( I live with my bf for a couple of years now), it is just not my style. But the no white dress thing made my mom even angrier than she allready was...

many wise words here (and some lesser wise, yet funny), it is good to be back... The Ph.D thing is something I won't let go of, also because i'm pretty far in the running for a huge scholarship. No matter what my mom says...and I don't see why I wouldn't be able to get married and have a child during the Ph.D (I somehow see Sip going nononooooo now). (is your research finished yet?) well, I do have to say that i'm shocked to say how many people say that one could get baptized without believing in church and God. I find that very weird, if you do that what is still true, and why get married? You commit yourself to God, but just avoid a fight with your mother in law...so what will the commitment of marriage then mean? And to answer the questions about what my boyfriend and I want of this relationship; he wants to get married, but not in church ( I don't think sending him over to you guys would really help to change his mind...but thanks for the offer). And I'm not so focussed on gettin' married in church and I don't really feel like a typical marriage... Babies we want within 2 years. So we do have a planning in a way. well then...

yeah i'm finanially indepentent, but my mom is even interrupting with that: i'm after a PHD position, but my parent are REALLY against that, because i'm 28 and should think about having children and buying a house. I have lived my own life, moved out at 18, travelled, have done everything I wanted (at least tried to), but now it seems that my whole family has had it or something. thankfully my big brother is still with me. Maybe it's selfish, but i'm the only one who leads my life so I figure that I get to make the decisions. anyways, about the churchwedding, I see what yout point of view is TOTH, but still...at first I thought about it the same way, he should just do it for me, but I do understand his point of view now. He doesn't believe in God in anyway, so getting baptised would be a very hypocrit thing to do. I think this is quite a difficult issue...thanks for the advice anyways...

hello everyone! i've got a question...I'm in a relationship for about 6 years now, and my parents have allways been ok with me being with an non armenian (odar as we call it) ...but now suddenly they are pushing us to get married. And, of course, get married in the Armenian way. Since my boyfriend doesn't believe in God, he doesn't want to be baptised, which means there will be no marriage in church. My Mom doesn't really accept that, so that's one problem. The other problem is that I don't feel like getting married yet. did some of you guys have simiral problems and if so how can this be solved, chrismas wil be a nightmare with the current atmosphere in mu family!!!

hmmm, isn't true love also true friendship. At least in my case my boyfriend is also my best friend....and with most couples i know that is also the case... makes life a lot easier! [ December 03, 2002, 03:47 AM: Message edited by: hasmiek ]

wowie QRISTINE, for a pure armenian girl you seem to be pretty sharp. you should watch out otherwise no pure armenian boy would want to marry you.. what's 'pure armenian' anyway? [ December 02, 2002, 02:49 AM: Message edited by: hasmiek ]

heya Sip! This summer I quit my job at Philips, it did't feel right anymore to work on more and more useless products...and it bothered me that i was spending my life in an environment which sucked every bit of energy ou of me. (so thankfull that I didn't buy a house yet or have children, quitting a job must be much more difficult then) well do you remember I signed up for a sustainable design phd program- that didn't work out, there was a problem at the university with the finances. So there is was, no job, no PHD...so i went travelling to spain and morocco for a while, which was fantasic, eventhough I had (have) no security , I feel so much more ALIVE! anyways, sometimes if yoy step away from your possesions and yoyr daily life it can be so relieving and eye-opening, it can make you remember how pretty life can be. ...did this make sense to this subject? [ October 18, 2002, 05:52 AM: Message edited by: hasmiek ]

well stated Sip!!! I only make my bed when my mom comes to visit... when i lived at my parentshouse i had to make my bed otherwise i would be in pain...

quote: It can also be an advantage to be in the opposition. From there you can make a lot of noise and you can definitely make yourself be heard. that's very true; you can say a lot more in the oppossition; however -what i meant to say i guess - it's a lot more difficult to change things... by the way; i think it's very admirable that you put your dedication in this rouben and elly/Aghtchik

hi rouben jan, I guess it is a matter of opinion then as I don't see this incident as a crisis between the netherlands and turkey, especially since turkey already put the man back in jail and turkey admitted that it was a mistake... But you are right that the turkish government hasn't improved a lot in the last century, however i think i read something about them giving historians permission in insight on the history records concerning the 'armenian queastion' -well, i guess if that is true they had almost 90 years to change the records... But anyway; if i look at the current kabinet formation, i wouldn't hope for too much. (sorry for the negative additude).It seems like the netherlands are turning in to a rightwinged ugly state with no respect for culture nor history. The politicians that might fight for the armenians are all in the opposition now, and it is way more difficult for them to be heard....

that is a very naive statement rouben; the crown prince and his wife probably are shocked by this mistake of letting one of the men free after 7 years. But this (hopefully) didn't lead to them disliking turkey as it was a mistake of the turkish courts. Their 'not going their on a visit' was decided by the foreign minister to put pressure on the turkish government to put this killer back in prison. It was purely a symbolic act. Personally I think the turkish courthouse decided to put him back in prison because it caused a lot of very bad publicity wich could keep tourists away... you should not mix these things; this event has nothing to do with the armenian question and in no way influences the dutch politicians. which is a good thing, otherwise the whole reputation of a country could suddenly be depending on what one person does. [ June 06, 2002, 04:42 AM: Message edited by: hasmiek ]

haha, don't worry, just be relaxed and everything wil be ok. My boyfriend is white and has no problem at all fitting in, because he acts naturally. Your friends will probably introduce you to lots of people and they will take care that you have a good time, and lead you trough the official stuff. at the wedding there will probably be some traditional dancing, but that's not so difficult...the people there will teach you...be relaxed and have fun!

hmmm,interesting.... are you trying to tell me you're not smart?

1. what is the best thing about being the sex you are? being able to be me extravagant in the way I look, and experiment in that...when men dress up everybody immedatiately thinks they are gay. as Sip said; being able to focuss on a lot of things at the same time (it really seems like women are better in that) the whole baby thing; getting pregnant, feeling that a child is growing in you...i think it must be something very special being able to be irrational sometimes (i probably have to expain this..) ... 2. what is the most difficult thing about being the sex you are? emotional ups and downs; women seem to have way more fluctuation in their emotions, which can be tiring, especially for those around you. i work in mens world, so i constantly have to prove my intelligence. 3. a. if you could change your sex for one week, would you? yep,of course! b. what might you discover? that i would be much better in sports and have more strength.and maybe if i'd start to think like a guy i would understand how men see women.

well Sip there could be more truth in that than you would think....the dutch seem to be bored to death and ready to grab any kind of entertainment, even politics! the world cup could have saved pim fortuyns life! ....maybe you are superduper intelligent!wo would have thought... [ May 14, 2002, 05:28 AM: Message edited by: hasmiek ]

Wow TOTH, you really know what is going on... Srebrenica was the first major thing that happened; our government has fallen over decisions that were made 2 and 1 governments ago...really strange, but it does show respect to the victims. (in srebrenica 7000 Muslim men were murdered by the Serbs. 400 Dutch soldiers were there to protect the Muslim population (but were not allowed to shoot) and that didn't work out. extremely embarrassing. Anyways; the soldiers were under UN command, and the Dutch are good in making bridges and lifting up ships from the bottom of the ocean....but fighting...and making decisions when something terrible is happening....no. but then the main story; Pim Fortuyn. I was totally against him. He was an opportunist. 15 years ago he was still a Marxist, an extreme left-winger...now he was a pretty rightwing guy. He stated that the Islam is a retarded religion and that if it were up to him no muslim would ever set foot in the Netherlands again. He wanted to 'delete' the first groundlaw: that it is not permitted to discriminate (pretty strange as he is a very gay man)....he was bad news, and if he wasn't killed he would have been the prime minister of the netherlands. He was pretty not fit to do that: he would walk out of meetings when people had comments on him; and he was quit vulgar in a way....he said in a live interview that he'd rather **** a horse than a woman...and I find that funny (I laughed my head off), but not very presidential. Anyways, TOTH is wright when he says that it is good that this man decided to speak up; the is and issue here, and he opened the debate, he would have made a good opposition party. Anyways...even though I was against almost everything he said, killing him was the most idiotic, stupid, vulgar and terrible thing to do. This man was saying things that leftwing people were discussed by, but a big part of the Dutch population seem to feel the same way…which is no good news, but the truth. It says that the Dutch are not so open minded and liberal, as we seemed to think. Which is a shame but yet the truth. I think it also says that the Dutch people like a bit of theatre in their politics, and they like people with charisma to rule their country…especially now that he’s killed…maybe Holland is just to boring and needed some action. Everybody is out on the street, in front of his house, crying, and complaining (I live in the same neighbourhood as he did so I have to see this), and leaving notes that the left winged politicians are responsible for his death, because the ‘demonised’ him. The leftwing politicians are threatened to death now. Two lawyers are suing the leftwing politicians and some journalist now for letting Pim Fortyun look like a racist…so there goes our freedom of speech…meanwhile the murderer has made no statement, nobody knows why he has done it. We only know he’s a active educated animal activist. And a psychopath if you ask me. [ May 14, 2002, 01:29 AM: Message edited by: hasmiek ]

hello there i was wondering if you guys had heard of the politic crisis situation in the netherlands, and if yes what you exactly have heard... (as a 'rotterdammer' i seem to be living in a hollywood action movie these days; lots of hatred around...ever since some idiot decided to kill the most popular politician around) ps. this topic has nothing to do with armenians.

heya kazza! I can tell from experience; don't do this to yourself! There are plenty of nice men, and a lot of them probably already adore you but you don't see it coz you are fixed on this one guy who doesn't notice you...maybe it's a good thing that he's leaving to the uni, that at least keeps him out of your sight and with a little luck out of your heart. My brother is in a deep down now; last year he had a crush on this girl; he was completely in love with her. Meanwhile he had this friend he was working out with and going out with for beerst and everything (this is such a typical story, sorry for the cheesyness), anyway, he had something with the girl he had a crush on for a mont, and was left heartbroken (she dumped him for someone else), then he found out that his friend had a crush on him, but it was too late, he had moved to germany, and she met someone else now, with whom she broke up and everybody is miserably unhappy now. get it?

a.r. howcome are you so focussed on jews? your additude is not so healty kiddo!