Bizarre

[MJ]

I do.

 

Now, with this "spanking business," lately… is it what it looks it is? If yes, I know some people who can open a whole new perspective for you, Domino.

[wh00t]

Seems like Hagarag was right all along. At least this time we can't accuse Bush of lying to us.. after all, he is "taking care of the Armenians".

[gamavor]

Thoth you know what is your problem besides being an American?

 

Your problem is that you have never traveled around the world, because if you did than you should know what is freedom. Freedom is not eating McDonalds and drinking Coca-Cola and pretending that you are the coolest of the coolest. Neither freedom is something that is encrypted in the Constitution and than Exxon-Mobiles and alike, limits it for "public interest", because after some time the same "public interest" is the alter-ego of the respective private interest and the ugly embryo of the two is called the beginning of a totalitarian state.

[Guest Fadi]

Sorry Martin, I have learned the word spanking months ago, and use it because the sound of it makes it like an intellectual word. When I have nothing to say, I just say it to sound intelligent. As for the new perspectives, I'm not ready to take Hagarags place.

 

How can you still believe those republicans ? I imagine now the Turkish press having something to put in their mouths for years to come.

[MJ]

I don't believe netiher republicans nor you, Domino. But I share most of their values.

 

Now, maybe you have to also explain to me what do the republicans have to do with the issue at hands? Did you see any "republican" word in that material?

[Guest Fadi]

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Originally posted by MJ:

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Originally posted by Domino:

How can you still believe those republicans ? I imagine now the Turkish press having something to put in their mouths for years to come.

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I don't believe netiher republicans nor you, Domino. But I share most of their values.

 

Now, maybe you have to also explain to me what do the republicans have to do with the issue at hands? Did you see any "republican" word in that material?

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Here we come, here is my first class results. I admit my ignorance of US politics. Another thing, you do not believe me, like you do not believe the republicans ? Is that mean that you consider me as a poltician ? Then why being so slow of writing my recommendation letter to become a politician, when I satisfy the first rule of how being a politician(that is to not be believed).

[MJ]

Domino,

 

1. Speak simple language not a convoluted one. (You suck at expressing convoluted thoughts. )

 

2. Don't talk about things which you don't know or you don't know enough;

 

3. Do you understand now why was I reluctant to offer you a position in my administration?

[Guest Fadi]

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Originally posted by MJ:

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Originally posted by Domino:

 

Here we come, here is my first class results. I admit my ignorance of US politics. Another thing, you do not believe me, like you do not believe the republicans ? Is that mean that you consider me as a poltician ? Then why being so slow of writing my recommendation letter to become a politician, when I satisfy the first rule of how being a politician(that is to not be believed).

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Domino,

 

1. Speak simple language not a convoluted one. (You suck at expressing convoluted thoughts. )

 

2. Don't talk about things which you don't know or you don't know enough;

 

3. Do you understand now why was I reluctant to offer you a position in my administration? [/QB]

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Note taken, I'll try, I think the second one is the easiest, but one and three are harder, because they require more prespicasity, and you know how I am lazy.

[MJ]

What a word...

[Guest Fadi]

You see how lazy I am, I meant to say perspicacity.

[MJ]

I am not referring to the spelling. Most frequently, when I read my own post, I feel outraged by my on spelling errors. I am still referring to simplicity.

[Guest Fadi]

Sorry, I don't understand what you mean.

[MJ]

Speak simple language. Use simple words. Structure your sentences as crisply as possible.

 

Got to go.

[THOTH]

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Originally posted by gamavor:

Thoth you know what is your problem besides being an American?

 

Your problem is that you have never traveled around the world, because if you did than you should know what is freedom. Freedom is not eating McDonalds and drinking Coca-Cola and pretending that you are the coolest of the coolest. Neither freedom is something that is encrypted in the Constitution and than Exxon-Mobiles and alike, limits it for "public interest", because after some time the same "public interest" is the alter-ego of the respective private interest and the ugly embryo of the two is called the beginning of a totalitarian state.

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Well Gams - your entirely wrong there - I am fairly well traveled - mostly in Europe and Central America I admit - but enough to have a perspective on things.And I have many non-American frineds and contacts - I am very aware of things outside the US "enclave". And contrary to your assertions I don't buy into most of the norms about what is cool or (fast food/corporate) values etc. I think you and many others fail to relise that there are a great many Americans who can think for themselves and are not entirely bought in to the dominant society - and it has nearly always been so. So you are very wrong in your (entirely ignorant) portrayl of / ideas about me.

 

Just the same - the Constitution of the US is an incredible document - and those who founded our nation were incredible people - the likes of which I see very few of in the world today. I believe that you have an incredible blind spot towards the tremendous good that the US and much of its history represents in the world (and obviously just don't have a clue about what freedom and enlightenment really are) - and I certainly don't reject or ignore/discount that there are and have been great shortfalls and problems as well with this nation - towards its own people and vis a vis others. Still ist is the best in the worlkd - verall - IMO. (though I do admit to sometimes getting bvery frustrated/disgusted by certain things...)

 

And I do not see unbridled capitalism as the do all and end all - obvioulsy - IMO - and find fault with many aspects of current US corporate culture - but even with all of the coruption and the corporate influence etc - common people do also have influence (and true rights) here - nmopre so then anywhere else.

 

All that being said the US is a great nation (with many faults certainly) - and I believe that 10 years or more from now you will most likely still be living here (prosperously) - perhaps bitching all the while (so FU! LOL)...and I certainly don't ever expect to see Tigrannes leaving his creature comforts and assimilated lifestyle - yeah right - talk talk talk - (...about being sheltered...LOL). Both of you have much to learn about life I think. Just wait till you have a family to provide and care for. I have spoken to many Europeans and others who have moved here to the states - just for the job I think - but no - they describe the security and comfort of life here and the facilities and activities for children - etc - things that are important when one has a family - and after all - what is life truly about?

[Rubo]

Originally posted by MJ:

 

Now, maybe you have to also explain to me what do the republicans have to do with the issue at hands? Did you see any "republican" word in that material?

 

Last time I checked the president of the United States was republican and in my “simple” reasoning the president sets the agenda of the administration!

The ironic twist about this whole affair is the exclusion of Azerbaijan, which according to CIA does harbor terrorist cells and continues to do so but ironically nothing happens to Azerbaijan hmmm even my six-year-old son can deduce why? Oil! Dick Chaney oil connections runs deep and Bush agenda is clearly projected as to what is really important about Iraq and Middle East. I am neither a republican nor a democrat but it shocks me that one can be ignorant to the point of supporting the very party, which works against Armenian’s interests.

[Rubo]

I forgat to add that I strongly dislike republicans and I feel sorry for the Armenian brainwashed types who bought the republican platform.

[Rubo]

Thanks for the link,very iteresting site.I made no secret that I am Against the war on Iraq since it is not about “MWOD” but mainly about oil. US media has been playing in concert with white house and they scarcely cover growing large anti-war movement. There were large demonstrations against the war on Iraq recently in Boston and other major cities but as usual media hardly mentioned.

[Rubo]

Every Armenian on this forum is morally responsible to send a protest letter. Chatting is fine but this is serious!

 

Protest Bush Administration Regulation Requiring Registration of Armenian Citizens

Send a Free ANCA WebFax to President Bush Today!

http://www.anca.org/anca/anca_home.asp

[sen_Vahan]

"MJ,What was funny about your joke about running for president of Armenia was how you picked your closest friends in your virtual cabinet. The ironic thing is that it is the very bases of corruption choosing your friends over qualified professionals aren’t that what Kocharian did? Please bring a mirror and reflect…Ego or self love often transcends the very thing one talks about or pretends to care…there are plenty of none thinking cronies ready to kiss ass whether yours or anybody else’s. This forum is truly amazing as to how low one can sink to get approval."

 

Da kishka tonka presidentom stat'

Em Jo, kak prodvigayutsya uroki russkogo yazika ?

 

P.S. Don't be angry about "Em Jo", I was kidding

[Mher]

Rubo, I wouldn’t put to much importance to a republican or a democrat move (stratige) as far as the issue concerns (recent stand on Armenians). Remember back in 1991 when Bush the Sr. could not get reelected with a 92% approval rating? The only thing (so important) at that time (and as usual) for American president have a working, humble, understanding, caring, pampering, relations with Israeli government oh, and spiritual visits taken to Israel prior to running for president of USA. However Dick (plain old dick) Chaney is, was, and always will be anti-Armenian, this guy never nor he ever will serve to the interest(s) of the US, nor any other country besides Israel So I’m not a bit surprised about this latest stand on Armenians, and sure more will fallow!

 

(Mher, please send a PM to him if you have an issue with it. Azat)

 

[ December 15, 2002, 01:44 PM: Message edited by: Azat ]

[Rubo]

Mher,I agree with you on republicans and democrats.I actually voted for third party on the last election.Having said this I do belive and Supported by facts that as long as republicans control the white house the oil interests will dominate the agenda. That means pro Azerbaijan and Turkey polices. We can already see the effects of this on recent move by state department requiring Armenians to register.

Regards Ruben

 

(sorry Rubo, i just deleted the section that you had quoted that did not belong on this thread)

 

[ December 15, 2002, 01:46 PM: Message edited by: Azat ]

[gamavor]

Check out this:http://antiwar.com/justin/j062102.html

[khodja]

One needs only to have been in the bowels of the Republican Party, as I had been, to realize what these devils are all about. Lott comes out of his racist closet and now we know what these boys (and a few girls) really think of us. I passed as white for many years. No one knew that I was Armenian (or bisexual). I KNOW what these guys really think of Armenians. Now We ALL know.

[Boghos]

Hagarag,

 

Aren´t hardcore Republicans anti-semitic ? If so why that is not reflected in US foreign policy ? I have no doubt that your typical WASP Republican hillbilly and his more sophisticated and less obvious "brother" is a racist, but politics is more complicated than that. Or you are going to convince me that these types have a better opinion, say, of Turks ?

[MJ]

Boghos,

 

I think the Armenian strategy has been fundamentally wrong in the last 11 years or so. It has gone into a deadlock especially after 9/11 with the regional role of Turkey being elevated, at least for the time being, to unprecedented heights. But I don’t think that this unpleasant incident with INS is the victory of the Turkish lobby. I suspect it is the beginning of the long list of things to come, starting from the reduction of the foreign aid to Armenia. Hypothetically, this may be an American way of saying, "We don’t like your government, especially your president."

 

All this obligates us to making significant adjustments in our perception of the reality and the available to us perspectives.

 

As far as the turning of US into a semi-police state is concerned, I differ with you, here. I don’t see our freedoms being undermined here in any noticeable ways.