Bizarre

[MosJan]

Slushay drug

 

VaHan jan

 

Daragoy

 

Ya tebe adnu Umni veshch skaju Tolko ti ne Obijaysia drug jan

 

U nas Va_Dilijane / sami kharroshi vada / a U MJ'ya sami kharoshi Kanyak / eto on iz Erevana saboyu prinyos/ ochin starinni / ya slixal chto U tebe doma Sami xarroshi Dolma gatovit Jena - davay ti svayu Dolmu - Ya svayu Vodu - Mj svayu starinni Marochni Konyak prinisyot i budim druszyami ???

A to tak nipaydyot - znayesh eli -

 

Nu chto Daragoy budim ???

[gamavor]

http://www.troy.am/dictionary/engarm.asp

 

Use cyrilic for God's sake.

[MJ]

Dorogoi Jack-in-the-box,

 

Nadeyus' chto so vremenem naidiesh' svoe mesto v zhisni. Do pasmotrish', i chelovekom stanesh' - zhizn' polna neohizdannostiami.

[joseph]

To all of you Rusa hyes in this forum , I thought it was HyeForums not RusianForums I agree with you Gamavor . We allredy have problems with Hyastan dialect , we feel like left out hear .

[joseph]

Mosjan if you meant to spell my name Havseph . that is very rood of you , if it was a typo mistake then please come to this site when you are SOBER ENOUGH .

My name is HOVSEP

If you want to be funy thats not the way to be funy .

[sen_Vahan]

"To all of you Rusa hyes in this forum , I thought it was HyeForums not RusianForums I agree with you Gamavor . We allredy have problems with Hyastan dialect , we feel like left out hear ."

 

Then why don't you speak armenian here if it is an HyeForum? Or you mean russian is no longer an international language...

[sen_Vahan]

"U nas Va_Dilijane / sami kharroshi vada / a U MJ'ya sami kharoshi Kanyak / eto on iz Erevana saboyu prinyos/ ochin starinni / ya slixal chto U tebe doma Sami xarroshi Dolma gatovit Jena - davay ti svayu Dolmu - Ya svayu Vodu - Mj svayu starinni Marochni Konyak prinisyot i budim druszyami ???

A to tak nipaydyot - znayesh eli -"

 

Mosjan,

 

I am not married

[MosJan]

ohh Sorry Hovsep Sorry Sorry Sorry

 

"please come to this site when you are SOBER ENOUGH"

 

OK i will

Sorri

 

It will not happen more

 

Sorry ok ?

ok Sorry ?

[MosJan]

VAhan jan dzer bolor Problemneri Patjar@ hents n@ranume vor duq Amusnatsats cheq

Kamusnanas heto mej jani hall@ kimanas

hima inch xmum enq Vahan jan ? Shut patasxan tur qani Azat@ bajakner@ arats chi yekel.

[sen_Vahan]

Mosjan,

 

Misht patrast Bayz de shat heru ek.. Hla tes Michigann ur, Californian ur.

[MosJan]

BAri - muys angam LA galu lines indz chmoranas barekam !!!

 

hima el Hayereni hamar en boroqelu. Asi ArevelaHaygagan Forum che - Asiga Haygagan e - hos adanq paner ches grnar @esel jan@mmmm.

[MJ]

I found the material below, which has some [indirect] relevance, I think, to the subject of this thread:

 

"

 

Eurasia Insight:

ARMENIAN EX-OFFICIAL ON TRIAL FOR "SPYING FOR TURKEY"

Emil Danielyan: 11/05/02

 

An Armenian scholar and former diplomat is standing trial on the unprecedented

charge of spying for Turkey. Although the trial has exposed many previously

unknown facts concerning the suspect’s activities, it has produced no evidence

of treason.

 

Murad Bojolian, 52, who once held a senior post at the Armenian Foreign

Ministry, is the first Armenian to face such an espionage charge. Bojolian

categorically denies engaging in espionage. His lawyer, Hovannes Arsenian, has

dismissed his prosecution as a "farce."

 

Bojolian's trial opened in Yerevan on October 24. The official indictment

alleges that the defendant provided the Turkish intelligence service, MIT,

with a broad range of information about Armenia and Nagorno-Artsax. "Since

1998, Murad Bojolian has collaborated with that organization's network of

agents, most of whom operated under the guise of journalists," state

prosecutor Avag Avagian said.

 

According to the prosecution case, a Turkish agent posing as a Moscow

correspondent for the official Turkish Anadolu news agency recruited Bojolian.

The state also alleges that Mehmet Ali Birand, a prominent Turkish television

commentator who has visited Armenia on several occasions over the past decade,

is also an MIT operative.

 

Birand interviewed Armenian President Robert Kocharian in January 2001, during

his last trip to the Caucasus state. Whether Kocharian knew that he is talking

to a person seen by his special services as a Turkish spy is not known.

 

Bojolian, who was born in Turkey and immigrated to Armenia with his family in

1963, argues that there was nothing illegal or unpatriotic in his contacts

with Turkish journalists.

 

He began dealing with them in 1992, in his capacity as head of the Turkey desk

at the Foreign Ministry in Yerevan. Later on, after his resignation from the

ministry, Bojolian would occasionally work as a fixer for Turkish

correspondents that traveled to Armenia on assignment. In 1996, for example,

he translated then-President Levon Ter-Petrosian's interview with Birand.

 

Shortly afterwards, Bojolian, who holds a doctoral degree in Turkish affairs,

obtained a part-time consultative job in the presidential administration. At

the same time, he wrote analytical articles about Turkey for Armenian

newspapers.

 

In a court testimony November 4, the defendant said that he became a freelance

correspondent for the Anadolu agency in June 1998 after being fired from the

presidential staff and becoming mired in debt. He said he stopped writing for

Anadolu in January 1999 because the latter declined his request for a $100 pay

increase.

 

Bojolian later worked with the private Turkish television network NTV. During

this period he occasionally earned extra income by selling goods in a Yerevan

market, and periodically traveling to Istanbul to buy cheap clothing for

resale. Friends and acquaintances say Bojolian, his wife and three children

lived modestly in recent years.

 

In trying to prove that Bojolian engaged in espionage, prosecutors presented

evidence that he received training from Soviet military intelligence, or GRU,

in the 1970s for possible war-time operations on Turkish territory.

 

Bojolian confirmed that he joined the GRU "on patriotic grounds." In addition,

he declared that between 1995 and 1996 he secretly cooperated with the

Armenian Ministry of National Security, which is now backing the prosecution

against Bojolian. His chief duty for the ministry, he said, was writing

analytical reports on Turkey and about specific Turkish journalists and

entrepreneurs who visited Armenia.

 

In an October 30 report by the Noyan Tapan news agency, Bojolian suggested the

espionage case is motivated in part by jealousy over his ability, while a

diplomat, to establish good working relations with his Turkish counterparts.

Bojolian claimed that on several occasions he was instrumental in achieving

diplomatic breakthroughs, including a 1992 deal in which Turkey provided grain

to Armenia on credit.

 

“According to the defendant, many times when he managed to successfully

resolve issues with Turkey, some employees at the Foreign Ministry did not

like that,” the Noyan Tapan report said. Soon thereafter, rumors began

spreading that Bojolian was spying, and in August 1993 he was asked to resign

from the diplomatic service, the report said.

 

Some observers suggest that the Bojolian case may have a connection to

domestic political maneuvering in advance of the upcoming presidential

elections in February. One theory holds that the incumbent president, Robert

Kocharian, is trying to discredit his predecessor and potential 2003 rival,

Levon Ter-Petrosian, as Bojolian served as the former president’s translator.

 

The state has so far called only five witnesses in the case. None of the

witnesses has provided testimony to substantiate the charge against Bojolian.

Three of the witnesses are Turkish nationals identified as exiled members of

the Kurdistan Workers' Party (PKK), a rebel group outlawed in Turkey. The

three Kurds are said to have lived in Yerevan until recently. Their written

testimony, read out in the court, did not endorse official claims that

Bojolian had also been instructed by MIT to report on possible PKK presence in

Armenia.

 

So far the prosecution has not presented any documentary evidence

substantiating its accusations. Arsenian, Bojolian's lawyer, believes the

state does not have any. But, he adds, in a country where courts rarely rule

against the state, a lack of evidence does not necessarily assure the

acquittal of his client.

 

Editor’s Note: Emil Danielyan is a Yerevan-based journalist and political

analyst."

[Harut]

MJ,

tsankanum em nshel, vor Murad Bojolian@ mi qani shabat araj xostovanel er iren dimats mghvats meghadranqnerum. yev yerek, te aysor, na yentarkvel e 10 tarva azatazrkman.

[joseph]

Mosjan no hard feeling , I allwayes read my posts twice before I add it , I think you should do the same it saves you lot of mis understanding

Again no hard feeling I have big heart that loves all Armenians we are few we cant afford loosing even one Armenian .

[joseph]

Sen_vahan english is the comon language , most every one hear understands it , when you are dicassing an important issue and tern to russian then we that dont speak the language feel left out .

[MosJan]

Sorry Havseph

[khodja]

A San Francisco Chronicle article of December 21 still lists that Armenian, Pakistani and Saudi Arabian nationals must register between January 13 and 21. What is the truth? These Bush adminstration LIARS are at it again. No Armenian should ever vote for these BASTARDS again.

[gamavor]

National security

 

FORMER NATIONAL SECURITY MINISTER MAKES PROVOCATIVE ANNOUNCEMENTS

 

Former Armenian national security minister David Shahnazarian

was quoted December 25 by a pro-opposition daily Aravot as

saying that after September 11 attacks on the USA several Afghan

nationals, suspected of having links with international

terrorist organizations, entered the United Sates with the

passports of the Republic of Armenia.

 

In response to a reporter's question whether he could identify

the source of his information Shahnazarian said that he bears

the responsibility for its trustworthiness. But he refused to

elaborate. 'I also know that this question was addressed by US

and Armenian authorities',- he said..

 

Theoretically one can not rule out that certain individuals of

Afghan descent could obtain passports of the Republic of

Armenia, however, it is not clear how they could enter the

United States. To enter the United States one should have visa.

Shahnazarian's announcement would actually mean that the US

embassy in Armenia provides visas to Afghan nationals suspected

of having links with international terrorist organizations, an

absurd supposition.

 

We believe that David Shahnazarian's announcement was made for

another audience, more exactly, for Azerbaijani mass media. The

latter do not miss any opportunity to accuse Armenia of

harboring terrorists and the announcement, voiced by

Shahnazarian is very beneficial for them to exploit their

favorite topic, especially when it comes from a former Armenian

national security minister.

 

By the way, David Shahnazarian and ex-president Levon

Ter-Petrosian are lavishly praised by Azerbaijani mass media.

What is the reason of it? Is it that both are staunch advocates

of the so-called phased option for Karabagh conflict regulation?

Noteworthy is the following fact: none of former heads of

Armenian national security ministry, except David Shahnazarian,

has ever been praised by Azerbaijani mass media.

 

By Tatoul Hakobian

 

If this is true, then probably this is the real reason why Armenia was included in that list.

To me it sounds like a dirty plot. A conspiracy that has it roots way back 20-30 years ago. When turkish terrorist Ali Ahmed Agdja tried to assassinate the Pope he shouted 'I'm Armenian! I'm Armenian!'. Italians of course were not fooled by that statement.

There are some more questions to be answered. The more I think about it the more angry I'm.

First, I need to apologize to President Bush and the State Department.

Second, obviously Americans have no idea about Armenia and Armenians. If an Afghan can pass as an Armenian, then I can pass for a Marsian. I admit that they are some "darkish" Armenians, but with their golden chains and teeth and colorful clothing they would rather pass for Spanish gypsies rather than Afghans.

Third, corruption in Armenia will put an end to the Republic. The "disciplined" government servants are ready to sell anything for hard currency, even their mothers. Armenian passport doesn't to be faked, although it is in accordance with all European standards for protection. You simply pay $2000 and voala, you are Armenian citizen.

University diploma - $500

High School diploma -$100

Marriage certificate- $100

Divorce Decree - $200, etc. etc...

 

The story if true is telling for something else. Our turkish friends in my different Internet encounters with them persistently were calling us "talibans", and this was before Sept. 11. Probably they knew something that we don't.

Next time when an Armenian organization asks me for some kind of support they should look at my blue eyes to see if there is a ship sailing.

 

All they will get from me is a middle finger!!!

[MJ]

Not very convincing, I think, but noteworthy nevertheless.

 

Philip Terzian: We have a little list

 

Providence Journal(Projo.com )

01/19/2003

 

WASHINGTON -- ONE OF THE STRANGER episodes in the war against terrorism

occurred last month -- on Friday the 13th, to be exact -- when it was

learned that the following Monday's Federal Register would contain

a surprising entry. Henceforth, the Republic of Armenia would be

added to the list of countries whose non-immigrant male nationals,

resident in the United States, would be required to register with

the Immigration and Naturalization Service.

 

After Sept. 11, 2001, the INS demanded that nationals from countries

believed to be harboring terrorists -- Iraq, Iran, Lebanon, Libya,

Sudan, the United Arab Emirates, among others -- comply with this

special registration requirement. While the procedure was intrusive

and, in certain cases, insulting to the individuals involved --

refugees, in many instances, from regimes back home -- there was

a certain logic to it: Most of al-Qaida's recruits come from such

places, where sympathy for Osama bin Laden is not unknown.

 

But Armenia? There is no evidence that the population of Armenia has

ever supplied a single foot soldier to al-Qaida (a claim which the

United States of America cannot make!), and with good reason: Not

only is Armenia overwhelmingly Christian -- since the 4th Century,

no less -- and a historic victim of the (Islamic) Ottoman empire,

but its government has been a stalwart supporter of the war against

terrorism since Sept. 11. Indeed, last April 24, no less an authority

than George W. Bush himself declared that the United States "is

... deeply grateful for Armenia's swift and decisive cooperation in

the war against terrorism.

 

"Just as the United States reached out to the Armenian people to

provide shelter and freedom in the last century, so did Armenia extend

a supportive hand to the American people in the immediate aftermath

of Sept. 11. Our two peoples stand together in this fight in support

of values that define civilization itself."

 

What happened? As might be expected, Americans of Armenian descent,

and Armenians in Armenia as well, were surprised and not a little

disturbed by the news from the Federal Register. Telephones on Capitol

Hill began ringing, and messages flooded the White House. It turns

out that the Justice Department had acted on its own, in a manner of

speaking: Sources in the State Department and on the National Security

Council disclaimed responsibility and expressed consternation --

and words flew back and forth among the agencies over the weekend.

 

The following Monday, with no official explanation, the White

House reversed the Justice Department order, much to the relief of

Armenian-Americans: "We are gratified that this issue was brought to

the attention of senior administration officials," said a spokesman

for the Armenian National Committee here in Washington, "and in the

end, reason prevailed."

 

But how did this happen? An official explanation, unfortunately, is

hard to find. One version that was floated is that Justice ultimately

wants to require all foreign nationals who require a visa to register

with the INS. Since the countries already cited are Muslim, there had

been some concern that any gradual expansion of the program should

begin with a non-Muslim country. And John Ashcroft consulted the

alphabet. So while Azerbaijan harbors al-Qaida behind its borders,

it is also predominately Muslim, as is Albania. Andorra is too

small, Austria is in Western Europe, and Angola is in sub-Saharan

Africa. Armenia, unfortunately, lost the lottery.

 

Another explanation, however, is more persuasive. Recep Erdogan,

the leader of Turkey's new ruling Islamist party, had just visited

Washington in December, and was frustrated. He had put pressure on

the Bush administration to lobby for Turkish admission to the European

Union, but the E.U. had rebuffed both the United States and Turkey. At

the same time, Deputy Defense Secretary Paul Wolfowitz had just visited

Ankara where, in a startling departure from reality, he had praised

Turkey's "historic" benevolence toward its minorities -- excluding,

one presumes, those Kurds and Armenians massacred in the past century.

 

Given Turkey's strategic importance in a war with Iraq, the Bush

administration was reluctant to allow Mr. Erdogan to leave Washington

empty-handed. The White House and State Department were also annoyed

with Armenians for having frustrated efforts last spring to slip Turkey

secretly into a U.S./Israel sweetheart trade bill. What better way to

satisfy the Turks, even if symbolically, than to practically suggest

that Armenia is on the wrong side of the war against terrorism? It

was a brilliant device and inspired idea. And fortunately, for all

concerned, it backfired magnificently.

 

Philip Terzian, The Journal's associate editor, writes a column from Washington.

[America-Hye]

Well boys and girls, the 2004 US Presidential Election is around the corner. NORA (National Organization of Republican Armenians) is going to try to convince you that supporting the sitting President is in your best interests and that of your Homeland. A new Democratic candidate will emerge within the next few weeks that will make the President weak-kneed. This candidate wil blow the 9 dwarfs out of the water and will become the Democratic nominee. Are our Armenian leaders going to ignore him?????

 

Will we remember the INS debacle?? I will never forget my co-worker asking me if I was a terrorist. Who me, I don't even look very Armenian, and am as American as apple pie. I consider my loyalty to the US to supercede any loyalty I may have to the Homeland. That policy was the ultimate insult to Armenian-Americans.

[America-Hye]

Well, it seems that Wesley Clark has the same situation as Madeline Albright and John Kerry, Jewish ancestry they learned about late in life. He was raised as a Protestant, but his biological father, who died when he was five was the son of a Russian Jewish immigrant.

 

Interesting that Clark can be open about this, while Gregory Peck took the secret of his Armenian paternal grandfather to his grave.

 

Why did Victoria Smith Foston's family hide their Armenian heritage?

 

Famous folks such as Michael Arlen, Sr., Sylvie Vartan and so many other famous Armenians also did this. Rarely mentioned is that Andre Agassi is Armenian.