Beginning of Clashes

[MosJan]

vay moratsa Prezident jan iyd amen inchi hamar menq Patrast enq v@jarelu !!! - dzri chenq uzzum, n@ver chenq uzzum, chnayats vro Edward qerun du arden Konyaki gortsaran es partq - ughaki tuylatrutyun enq uzzum g@nelu mer halala qrtinqov vastakants $$$

[MosJan]

Harout jan aper menq lav @enkerner enq che ??

 

aper indz mi hat jamatsuyts ka karnes ??

 

hesa tegh@ tsuyts tam nayi

 

http://www.robbreport.com//archived-issues...x?article=14209

 

yeku jamatsuytsa talis 1.15m/ov mek@ qezi mek@ indz

As it used to do in China, Bovet, for this gift, is offering a pair of custom watches, though these will not be twins. Both will incorporate several complications, and one will display a painting of your choice on its mother-of-pearl dial.

 

 

 

 

 

The painted example is represented by the watch on the preceding page, which features a portrait of the Madonna and Child derived from Raphael Santi’s 1514 painting, Madonna della Sedia. Artist André Martinez needed almost 100 hours to complete this image. He spent some of that time firing the dial in a kiln to dry the enamel paints. "He has to let the color cook for 45 minutes to an hour," Davidoff says. "Sometimes a watch face goes in the oven 35 times in a row."

Davidoff recommends commissioning a large watch, one with a case that is 1.7 inches (43 millimeters) in diameter, to provide Martinez with more room to depict the chosen subject. But the artist will work with a case as small as 1.5 inches (38 millimeters). Regardless of the watch’s size, Davidoff promises, "the image will be something as complex as the Madonna. Under a microscope, you’ll still see incredible detail." The watch also will contain a minute repeater and a tourbillon, and its case will be 0.5 inch to 0.6 inch (13 millimeters to 15 millimeters) thick.

[MosJan]

ch@moranam asel vro jamatsuyts@ Hayastants e patvirvats

[KnightOfArmenia]

not only print lies also inject it's readers or viewers w/ venom and hate - such is doing some of media

 

Yellow dog journalism is a problem, as is naked jingoism and extremism, yes.

 

I'm just talking about the legal standard, here; at least for the States, since I'm not up to snuff on Armenia's legal code re: libel and rebellion.

[Takoush]

Hayasdani Presidente kani taregan petke vor ella vor yeridasart Harutin enk endrelou?

[Nazarian]

Yellow dog journalism is a problem, as is naked jingoism and extremism, yes.

 

I'm just talking about the legal standard, here; at least for the States, since I'm not up to snuff on Armenia's legal code re: libel and rebellion.

 

They have laws (and not bad ones, either). Their problem is that the enforcement of the laws is choppy. The prosecution and the courts are corrupt so the legal system is essentially a joke.

[garmag]

They have laws (and not bad ones, either). Their problem is that the enforcement of the laws is choppy. The prosecution and the courts are corrupt so the legal system is essentially a joke.

 

 

I guess the elementery teacher is not bored and is wasting in this forum..... yet again!

 

Incredibly you post nothing but contempt and righteous abasing of all Authoritative bodies presently ruling Armenia.

Can you, to balance your ad infinitum criticism ..., state anything that is presently correct in our country?

BTW, which country is your model as the epitome of legality and justice?

 

You were the first, posting a toothless non binding UN resolution against Armenia, and declaring a defeat for our country!

How sad that this travesty of a resolution, is dished out by you as a grand tragedy for us!

 

Keep harping your drums.

 

[Nazarian]

I guess the elementery teacher is not bored and is wasting in this forum..... yet again!

 

Incredibly you post nothing but contempt and righteous abasing of all Authoritative bodies presently ruling Armenia.

Can you, to balance your ad infinitum criticism ..., state anything that is presently correct in our country?

BTW, which country is your model as the epitome of legality and justice?

 

You were the first, posting a toothless non binding UN resolution against Armenia, and declaring a defeat for our country!

How sad that this travesty of a resolution, is dished out by you as a grand tragedy for us!

 

Keep harping your drums.

 

It's difficult to see what your point is through all the mindless drivel.

 

Are you defending the police, prosecution and the courts of Armenia? I wonder if you have ever seen any of them in your life. A yes or no answer would suffice.

[garmag]

It's difficult to see what your point is through all the mindless drivel.

 

Are you defending the police, prosecution and the courts of Armenia? I wonder if you have ever seen any of them in your life. A yes or no answer would suffice.

 

 

 

Are you by any chance implying that I should not FREELY express my opnions in here?

Look who is preaching freedom and contradicting himself, by telling me what to write as an answer

Your unmitigated mud slinging at Armenian authorities is deplorable!

 

You still can't find any words to tell us... IS ANYTHING TO YOUR LIKING IN ARMENIA?

 

BTW I have a place in Shushi...and have met all types! Some good some bad

 

[alpha]

In response to severe fear of its own people and the public discontent against the illegalities, the governing junta of Armenia that has passed a law that violates one of the basic rights guaranteed by the Constitution of Armenia and international treaties signed by the Republic of Armenia (Venice Convention), the right of assembly. Since the end of February every step undertaken by the junta is an affirmation of the fact that Armenia is in the fast lane toward dictatorship. The ruling power ignores the calles from the international community and human rights organizations to restore the basic human rights and end the emergency rule. One can reasonably assume that after this nothing prevents the governing power from banning newspapers that are opposed to them or access to internet as long as they have power. The friends of Armenia both in Diaspora and in other international organizations ought to voice their displeasure toward banning one of the basic human rights. Hamletian quote is appropriate in this case: "Something is rotten in the State of Armenia"

[garmag]

Hamletian quote is appropriate in this case: "Something is rotten in the State of Armenia"

 

 

Are yersterday's amendments passed by the Armenian Parliament (90 for/6 against), regarding gatherings and political demonstrations etc... a bone of contention for you...?

 

Did they by any chance foresee and curtailed the possibility of the distabilizing of Armenia further, when after March 20th, emergency status will be lifted ... therefore passed laws to avert or minimize the repetition of bloody confrontations ?

 

To use such vitriolic name calling as "junta rule" and other poisonous language, ending up with a Hamletian emotisism to make your point, shows how hateful you have become towards Armenia! How sad.

 

This reminds me when, Armenians in the Diasporic communities, were killing each other to prove as who was more patriotic from afar... during the cold war era!

 

The more it changes the more it's the same... as say the French.

 

 

 

 

[alpha]

Soviet Union was one of the most stable countries of the world and is that where you want Armenia to head to (the Beatles song comes to mind “Back in USSR”). Do we want Armenia to go forward or backward? I think the question is rhetoric enough to have the answer in it.

 

Is it the type of stability we strive for where the freedom of speech and assembly are significantly curtailed and monitored, where the police brutality is common, and where the secret service is in every corner? Do we want the Republic of Armenia to become a pariah state, shunned by the international community? I for one don’t. I want Armenia where the freedom of speech and assembly is respected, where the police act within the law and most of all I want Armenia where the RULE of LAW is respected by the state and where the law and law enforcement authorities guarantee the basic human rights. That’s the type of Republic I want Armenia to strife for. I am not for revolutionary movements, but when the political processes do not work and people’s vote is constantly raped at ballot boxes, than the people do not have much of a choice, but to rebel: Rebel against totalitarianism, rebel to get their basic rights back. They can go around sheepishly with their daily lives, (Ruben Hakhverdyan put it very eloquently: Eghir hez, banogh yez, yev vorocha qez bazhin hasac khote, minchev kbacvi aravote) or they can fight for their rights. People should revolt; when their fundamental human rights are violated otherwise there’ll be a total stability, just like in Brezhnev days.

 

[Twilight Bark]

And why are those the only two choices? Is the choice really between violent revolution and totalitarianism? There is not a longer, truer path to improving the nation? And LTP is the answer? What kind of track record does he have to deserve a violent revolution advocated in the name of installing him as the new ruler in place of the current rulers? What evidence do you have, other than some speeches, that he will bring such a profound change, and in the right way? A superficial "improvement" can indeed be brought in at the expense of selling the country's and the nation's soul. That doesn't mean the so-called improvement is worth it. Is the right time for a revolt right now, before LTP gets too old? Is that it? Does anything you say have anything at all to do with the sincere wishes of an intelligent person? Or are they the words of a party hack that perhaps is excited about a position that he might get if LTP comes to power? Since you are in the mood to cite Shakespeare, Beatles, etc (no Yogi Berra?), perhaps it is time for you to read or re-read Orwell's "Animal Farm".

 

Soviet Union was one of the most stable countries of the world and is that where you want Armenia to head to (the Beatles song comes to mind “Back in USSR”). Do we want Armenia to go forward or backward? I think the question is rhetoric enough to have the answer in it.

 

Is it the type of stability we strive for where the freedom of speech and assembly are significantly curtailed and monitored, where the police brutality is common, and where the secret service is in every corner? Do we want the Republic of Armenia to become a pariah state, shunned by the international community? I for one don’t. I want Armenia where the freedom of speech and assembly is respected, where the police act within the law and most of all I want Armenia where the RULE of LAW is respected by the state and where the law and law enforcement authorities guarantee the basic human rights. That’s the type of Republic I want Armenia to strife for. I am not for revolutionary movements, but when the political processes do not work and people’s vote is constantly raped at ballot boxes, than the people do not have much of a choice, but to rebel: Rebel against totalitarianism, rebel to get their basic rights back. They can go around sheepishly with their daily lives, (Ruben Hakhverdyan put it very eloquently: Eghir hez, banogh yez, yev vorocha qez bazhin hasac khote, minchev kbacvi aravote) or they can fight for their rights. People should revolt; when their fundamental human rights are violated otherwise there’ll be a total stability, just like in Brezhnev days.

 

[alpha]

And why are those the only two choices? Is the choice really between violent revolution and totalitarianism? There is not a longer, truer path to improving the nation? And LTP is the answer? What kind of track record does he have to deserve a violent revolution advocated in the name of installing him as the new ruler in place of the current rulers? What evidence do you have, other than some speeches, that he will bring such a profound change, and in the right way? A superficial "improvement" can indeed be brought in at the expense of selling the country's and the nation's soul. That doesn't mean the so-called improvement is worth it. Is the right time for a revolt right now, before LTP gets too old? Is that it? Does anything you say have anything at all to do with the sincere wishes of an intelligent person? Or are they the words of a party hack that perhaps is excited about a position that he might get if LTP comes to power? Since you are in the mood to cite Shakespeare, Beatles, etc (no Yogi Berra?), perhaps it is time for you to read or re-read Orwell's "Animal Farm".

 

I think in this particular case Orwell's 1984 is more appropriate for quoting. Whoever has read the masterpiece will understand the meaning behind these words.

 

War is Peace

Freedom is Slavery

Ignorance is Strength

[nairi]

Harut 2012.

 

Avazakner@ kspanen mer Harutin, as they would with every honest and worthy person running for president.

[Twilight Bark]

No, that's clearly not true. There are many many things wrong with the political culture in Armenia. However, being Orwellian is not one of them. Kleptocracy, lack of vision or creativity, thuggery? Yes, to varying degrees. But Orwellian? Not really. The state is simply not powerful or ominipresent enough for such a label to make sense, apart from whether they would love a "1984" sort of power (which I don't think they would, for all their faults). LTP and his boosters are a lot closer to Orwellian "Animal Farm" than the government is to "1984".

 

I think in this particular case Orwell's 1984 is more appropriate for quoting. Whoever has read the masterpiece will understand the meaning behind these words.

 

War is Peace

Freedom is Slavery

Ignorance is Strength

 

[Yervant1]

In order to bring down an existing structure which is not good, you need a to have a blueprint of the new one to replace it with, hoping that the new one will be better is not a solution.

[Arpa]

In order to bring down an existing structure which is not good, you need a to have a blueprint of the new one to replace it with, hoping that the new one will be better is not a solution.

Conventional wisdom says; "If it ain't broke(n) don't fix it". Some people say; "If it ain't broke, BREAK IT!"

Maybe we should break it and once again start from scratch, build it on a better blue print.

[Yervant1]

Conventional wisdom says; "If it ain't broke(n) don't fix it". Some people say; "If it ain't broke, BREAK IT!"

Maybe we should break it and once again start from scratch, build it on a better blue print.

But which is first? the blue print or the building?

[Ashot]

Yervant looking at your avatar I would say the live it the way it is after breaking it!!!

[garmag]

Conventional wisdom says; "If it ain't broke(n) don't fix it". Some people say; "If it ain't broke, BREAK IT!"

Maybe we should break it and once again start from scratch, build it on a better blue print.

 

Sireli Arpa,

 

Surely you jest "breaking once again..."?

Have we not broken enough times in the past with fresh starts from SCRATCH and with the best of intentions?

Why can't we give a chance to what we have in hand now, MENDING INSTEAD OF BREAKING! ?

 

The kind of revolutions that are suggested by alphas and ilk... will be our death knell (are they wolves in disguise being alphas...) one wonders...

The enemies at our door will think manna is falling from heaven if this revolt comes to pass. Then.....We will all have lots to discuss in this forum as to who's fault it was

Ayradz serdi k.. mekhitarank. No thanks.

 

 

[alpha]

No, that's clearly not true. There are many many things wrong with the political culture in Armenia. However, being Orwellian is not one of them. Kleptocracy, lack of vision or creativity, thuggery? Yes, to varying degrees. But Orwellian? Not really. The state is simply not powerful or ominipresent enough for such a label to make sense, apart from whether they would love a "1984" sort of power (which I don't think they would, for all their faults). LTP and his boosters are a lot closer to Orwellian "Animal Farm" than the government is to "1984".

 

Allow me to disagree with you on your assessment of authorities and the opposition. The authorities' actions since March 1, paves the way toward 1984 type totalitarianism. The rulling party feels insecure to have a level field for competing on ideas, and is not for developing civil society, otherwise they'd help to conduct fair elections. The authorities’ actions show their desire to turn Armenia into Lukashenko’s Belarus, pariah state shunned by the international community. Below is just a small list of what they have done so far:

 

- Total control of all media and information sources (desire to brainwash people by controlling the information outlets. I guess controlling TV channels were not enough now they are after independent media). Why are they so afraid of dissidence.

- People’s freedom of assembly is severely prohibited. (new law passed by Parliament)

- Political persecution (100+ people are in prisons and 800+ has been detained and released)

- Disregard toward the international community (the calls from EU for independent investigation has been ignored by Mr. Kocharyan)

 

In retrospect any organization or a group of people that feels above the law and not accountable to anyone for longer period of time is bound to become a corrupt and despotic, which is the current reality in the Republic of Armenia.

 

[garmag]

It's amazing to witness such venom pouring out in postings to make a point... against the Armenian Authorities.

If this forum was not called "Hye" I would have guessed it must have many members wishing our destruction .

 

Under the heading of what must be done?

Did I assume wrongly, that the question was put forward to generate positive suggestions for the healthy upkeep of our country?

We have run the spectrum from ( how to destroy to- how to pamper) the situation since election times, according to our outlook. Which is as it should be.

 

But why should we pretend to be naive, to overlook under the guise of freedom of expression, the outright enemity that is displayed in some of our compatriots outbursts . Words such as totalitarian... despotic... junta... pariah... etc; you'd think lengtimur is ruling Armenia, does not present a field for constructive criticism.

 

These seekers of fair and just Armenia, sound more like cry wolf types, no matter who sits in authority.

 

 

[Boghos]

Recent events in Yerevan however tragic, as the loss of life almost always is, are very far from being the doings of a totalitarian government. There are elections in Armenia, they may not be perfect but I think there is very little doubt that SS won. What LTP and some of his followers articulated was a very disruptive and clearly illegal attempt at overthrowing a legally elected government.It does not matter whether we like the new president, or the old one, or LTP or Brezhnev or whomever, Armenian has to live with its choices and SS was one of them.

 

As it has been argued here by some and I fully agree, Armenia does not need revolution, as in almost all instances they are nothing but totalitarian projects dressed in good will.Revolution is a setback.What Armenia needs is increasingly stable rules that are respected.If SS stands, and all indications are that he will, this is a good indication that the insitutions are getting stronger.As I said do not mistake that for sympathy towards SS.We need due process and stability.

 

What we lack is people with vision.Kocharian may be a pragmatist in some regards but he is a very provincial politician with little understanding of how a modern society works.He is a local princelling with very modest aspirations. The problem is that his constituency is not very different, we still see people clamoring for an industrial Armenia!

[alpha]

My postings are my views and perceptions of the reality and my worldview. I am for discussion, which I believe brings best in most people. If anyone disagrees with my postings, make a point of your own, prove me wrong instead of attacking me, or making imperative statements without any prove. Prove me the opposite. Armenia is a democratic country where human rights are respected, where there are no political prisoners, where media is free, where …. the list can go on and on. You can not put on rosy glasses and yell everything is great, but things won’t change from it. The existing imperfections won’t go away.

 

Also, I don’t think stability is what Republic of Armenia should strive for; it should seek stable government structures not stable governance.

 

Boghos I agree with your posting completely. If SS run a good campaign, he would have won the election without any upheavals. But, he didn’t. He might have received more votes, but he certainly did not receive more than 50% of them. There should have been a 2nd round to get a winner.