Beginning of Clashes

[Ashot]

WHICH IS THE BEST WAY OUT?

[04:50 pm] 02 April, 2008

 

“The home political events and the consequent tension in the country have led Armenia to a deadlock,” says political scientist Alexander Iskandarian.

 

Iskandarian says he can hardly imagine what a post the government may propose to Levon Ter-Petrossian as the latter will not accept it. Besides, Serzh Sarkissian cannot or at least will not want to offer Ter-Petrossian the president's chair.

 

One thing is obvious. The struggle continues no matter how hard the authorities try to interfere. The authorities are weak as they don't sanction rallies and keep on arresting people. There are many other factors testifying to their weakness: TV channels give a biased coverage of events or adjust the coverage to the authorities' orders.

 

Iskandarian thinks the situation might change after April 9 as today the decisions are mainly made by two key actors - Robert Kocharian and Serzh Sarkissian.

 

The four-fold coalition cannot solve the problem of confidence deeply rooted in the society. The problem of confidence would not be solved even if Levon Ter-Petrossian cooperates with the coalition. Distrust has been perceived in the public since the election of 1996.

 

The political scientist thinks most people who voted for Levon Ter-Petrossian voted against the government Similarly, those who voted for the government voted against the other candidates. Most countries of the world encounter the problem of confidence in the course of time, and it takes a long time to solve the problem, maybe several generations.

 

The government lacks legitimacy, Alexander Iskandarian says, because legal decisions, elections, their outcome, coalition agreements and inauguration are not enough to shape a government. A certain degree of legitimacy is necessary, the political scientist thinks, noting that only a legitimate government is strong, while today the government is far weakening, evidence to which serve the constraints and repressions we witness.

 

In reply to the question whether Serzh Sarrkissian might soothe the political situation through the reforms pledged by Levon Ter-Petrossian during the presidential campaign, Iskandarian said, “During the presidential campaign the presidential candidates did not pledge definite reforms and only uttered slogans, therefore the issue of reforms is out of consideration.”

 

Iskandaryan's opponent Aghazi Yenokian says no branch of power is legitimate in Armenia, and the society does not trust any of them. Yenokian thinks the country should conduct a new election on free and fair grounds to restore public confidence.

 

He disbelieves that the government will hold a new election, therefore as a possible way out he points to a transitional format which might lead to a new election.

 

In the main, the opponents are unanimous that Levon Ter-Petrossian will continue his struggle to the end and the authorities will do their utmost to stand in his way.

 

A1Plus

[AVO]

Mi qani or arach armenianow.com-in qnnadatum einq vor miakoghmania yev miayn qnnadatuma karavarutyan@

 

Internal Bleeding: Crisis has turned “Armenians” against “Artsaxis”

http://www.armenianow.com/?action=viewArti...922&lng=eng

 

By Vahan Ishkhanyan

ArmeniaNow reporter

Published: 28 March, 2008

 

“For the first time in my life I did not say I am Artsaxtsi [Artsax Armenian]. They asked me where I am from, I told from Abovyan,” ArmeniaNow photographer Anahit Hayrapetyan tells about how every photographer and journalist in the neighborhood of the Myaskinyan monument on March 1 was asked about their descent in a fierce search for Artsaxtsis.

 

Disinformation was spread that the troops that dispersed the sitting strike in the Liberty Square spoke the Artsax dialect.

But it was not an occasional matter: it was the expression of xenophobia generated by LTP’s movement, whose number one enemy turned to be the Artsaxtsis.

 

The next day, March 2 a taxi driver crossing the damaged Mashtots avenue was showing me the shops explaining which belongs to whom, trying to justify the looting: ‘this is Lfik’s, this one belongs to a Artsaxtsi.’ Lfik is oligarch Samvel Alexanyan who is from Aparan [town in the North-West to Yerevan]. But what do the Artsaxtsis have to do with this? The driver continued – the Artsaxtsis have to be driven out.

 

On March 2 morning near the site of the fighting a man surveying the rubble saw soldiers on guard and said to no one in particular, but in their direction: “Artsaxi dogs”.

This is not a single case as it has become a common point of view during the last commotion.

 

The negative attitude toward the Artsax Armenians appeared when the politicians from Artsax who were brought by Ter-Petrosyan to solidify his power against the oppositional forces, overtook it and began using the fruits of the clan system Ter-Petrosyan had created. If the system is based on clans people protest against the clan in power. In former times the target of protests was the All-Armenian Movement and its leader, then those who forced Ter-Petrosyan’s resignation. The system remains the same; if tomorrow the Akhakalaktsi Armenians [Akhalkalak is the provincial center of the Javakhq region in Georgia, populated predominantly with Armenians] overtake the power they will get the use of it.

 

LTP turned the negative attitude toward the Artsax Armenians into hatred, declaring the authorities Tatar-Mongols and saying: “Because of these two, 15,000 people have moved from Artsax to Armenia, mainly Yerevan, within the last ten years. Each of them has been given a position. It did not suffice, and now it’s the sphere of business given to them (it’s unclear who has checked the figures).”

Enmity was the main weapon of the leader for five months, when he stated the only mistake of the years of his rule was bringing the two politicians from Artsax, the only thing he apologized for (he even defended the clan system he created by saying the 1995 Constitution was better than the amendments adopted in 2005); he declared all the deficiencies in Armenia originated in 1998, he refuted there were election frauds and state robbery before that, presenting the years of his rule as ideal times. For a protesting crowd the words of the charismatic leader were unquestionable and undisputed truth.

 

Explaining the problems of the state with persons alone and blaming those persons in deadly sins (perpetrating the October 27 assassinations to cede Meghri), he inspired faith in the mass. They believed ‘go till the end’, and also made keeping power a matter of personal security for Sargsyan and Kocharyan.

 

LTP and his supporters increased the number of their voters by growing the hostile rhetoric of the campaign. LTP stated Serzh and Robert have served the Turks with servility for a long time. On the other side he called traitors and scum all those who did not join him and instead of opening cracks among the authorities, as he said, created deep breach of enmity in the society: if the leader calls somebody a traitor the mass is ready to destroy. (In the newspaper “168 Hours” singer Shushan Petrosyan told with horror she received letters that called her a traitor for supporting Serzh Sargsyan and threatened to kill her children; she said she did not take her son to school for two weeks because in fear of the threats. And the post-election demonstrations that passed by Vazgen Manukyan’s office scanned ‘Vazgen – a traitor!’, because their leader had stated so.)

 

However, a primary target remained the Karabakis, in a way that drew comparison ethnic fascism in the 20s-30s in Weimar Germany, where corruption, oligarchy, depreciation, monopolization of economy were blamed on the Jews. (The Constitution adopted in the Weimar Republic in 1919 resembled much the 1995 Constitution adopted in Armenia, where the strong centralized presidential system did not allow for society’s participation in decision-making and facilitated to the oligarchy and the monopolized economy that brought the Nazis to power as a solution to the crisis).

 

The anti-Artsaxi prejudice reached its climax during the post-voting rallies in February, when a professor in Opera Square [the Liberty Square, the Theater Square] underlining their Artsaxi descent publicized the names of those rectors of universities who have to be punished amid the ardent shouts of the mass. And another speaker stated: “The Armenians in this square are thrice more in number that the Artsax citizens. Long live the Armenians!”

Armenians of non-Artsaxi descent began writing in blogs as a means of protest calling themselves Artsaxis as Turks called themselves Armenians after Dink’s assassination.

 

The 5 month-long political trainings resulted on March 1 taking the form of the Molotov cocktails and metal bars. The mass attacked the police shouting: ‘Turks, Artsaxis go away!’ They say the spirit of the Armenian people was broken that day; but if something was broken then maybe that was the spirit of xenophobia.

 

Unlike Germany, where xenophobia was targeted against an external element, the ‘other’ for Levon is his native – xenophobia aimed against part of a mono-ethnic nation. Just like nationalism searches for enemies for crises among other ethnicities, similarly the ‘pragmatists’ radically denying national projects, search for an enemy to blame the crisis on, inside the nation. A poet woman, renowned intellectual inspired by the hatred of hundreds of thousands says Artsaxis are unable to run a state (LTP openly hinted on giving back Artsax stating Artsax is not a Kosovo and is unable to reach independence; he told in an interview Armenia has to restitute the damage caused to Azerbaijan). Thus, LTP supporters appearing in the name of liberalism became enemies of self-determination simply because those self-determined belong to their own ethnic group and because helping them ‘makes the country’s conditions hard.’

 

Unlike in Germany, where the one who created a non-democratic system and the one who appropriated it were different people, LTP was both the creator of the system and the betrayer of those who get use of it; that is, he is two in one, he wants to oust a clan to replace it with another, but never change the system he has authored.

 

Those who want to take the power are in the list of detained, 80 percent of them belong either to the All-Armenian Movement or are former officials from Republic party. And a wanted businessman Khachik Sukiasyan used to be the favorite oligarch in times of Levon’s rule, who, despite not being deprived of his incomes, had partially ceded his position to Gagik Tsarukyan. Many of the detained and other supporters of Levon have accumulated millions while in power and have not been punished, because they were replaced by people who equally get use of the system.

 

LTP was a version of the acting authorities ambushed behind the status of opposition, who having stated he is a tool to change the power turned the mob filled with hatred into a tool to provide the comeback of the old clans to power. Having cited the ‘Let there be no other sacrifice but me’, he sacrificed others, safe in his castle himself, with the coming threat hanging in the air ordered the demonstrators to stay and called for arms and resistance through his comrade-in-arms Pashinyan to hang another deadly sin to the authorities – shooting on people.

 

The system in ambush manifested itself not in words, but in deeds as it distributed bribes to voters and commissions and resorted to violence on election day equally with the authorities (a week ago head of LTP’s Ani headquarters was sentenced to 7 years in prison for beating Serzh’s representative). And LTP who declared himself a president elect in the first run even before the ballot boxes were opened, revealed the fight to follow would not be for justice, confusing the growing mass.

 

Experiencing the barbarism in history is not the most secure way to understand it, but is more efficient than the history textbooks, when you understand how the image of the enemy is created because of crises and injustice.

 

The times of slaughtering one’s own people have passed, but the possibility of persecutions and losses still remains and it is predictable, LTP would begin a hunt for ‘traitors’ and thousands of Karabakis would become deprived of homeland and would wonder to the country that would not accept them with pleasure if the region is returned.

 

And the danger remains: two days ago a neighbor to an acquaintance of mine refused to allow a nurse to give her an injection because the nurse appeared to be of Artsax descent.

As long as Armenia of the 1995 Constitution (as the Weimar one) has not been reformed, as long as the clan, corrupt and oligarchic system persists, the energy of hatred and zeal to destroy the ‘enemy’ still threatens the country and the threat of war with Azerbaijan grows in parallel.

Edited April 3, 2008 by AVO

[MosJan]

Mos jan, hents im asatsnele da, vor petqe payqarenq vochte karavarutsyan dem, ayl karavarutsyan het!!!

 

 

Sakayn ch@Votnaharelov Muys KOghmi Iravunqner@ yev Arjanapatvutyun@

[MosJan]

topicits liovin sheghvetsinq

 

sorry

[MosJan]

CYBER SABOTAGE?: MARCH 1 INVESTIGATION INCLUDED “PROVOCATION” BY SMS

 

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In the wake of the melee of March 1 police arrested at least two citizens for sending mobile phone messages that law enforcement said endangered the nation. TV channels later showed footage provided by law-enforcement showing two young men confessing to “spreading false information”. The remorseful men, appearing as witnesses under police investigation, said they regretted “having succumbed to provocation.” One person, identified by the Prosecutor-General’s Office as Yerevan resident David Ayvazyan, was interviewed by law-enforcement as having sent an SMS saying that “Levon Ter-Petrosyan has spoken on EuroNews. There are 58 dead. Forward it to others.” The man said he understood that it was a provocation and that he shouldn’t have done the text messaging. At the same time, he said he sent only the part concerning EuroNews and not the false number of dead people. Another man, who looked like a teenager and was in Liberty Square at the time of the pre-dawn action by police and then was an active protester in the area near the French Embassy, was speaking about his experience on the day of the violent clashes between security forces and protesters. The man, identified by the Prosecutor-General’s Office as Mkrtich Armenakyan, said that when the truck dumped the belongings of protesters near the French Embassy, one woman took out a shoe and said that it belonged to a child who, in her words, was killed. He also regretted having spread what he admitted to be false word. The provocation of that woman, according to the Prosecutor-General’s Office, provoked disturbances and violence against police. It said means would be taken to find the woman. And this week, investigators reported that the woman was identified as Laura Melkonyan, a resident of the town of Maruni. While interviewed by investigators as a witness, the woman admitted that her words had “a great influence” on people. She also regretted having spread the rumor. Furthermore, she admitted that the “rumor” might have been a “pre-planned provocation.” In a statement the same day the Armenian Prosecutor-General’s Office in an official announcement once again repeated that eight people, including one policeman, died as a result of the late night clashes on March 1. It said there were no dead as a result of police action at Liberty Square that resulted from protesters resisting the lawful demand of police and that claims to the opposite do not correspond to the facts. It said that in total 180 policemen and 48 citizens received bodily injuries on March 1 and 2. It also called spreading rumors a “psychological sabotage” towards the population.

* Suren Musayelyan

[Yervant1]

Mos jan, yerkar barak kardaluts heto karam mi ban asem!!!

 

Elle sa qo hamarel vorosh chapov hetaqrqir karogha lini...

 

Asenq te es verevi post@ vor Movsesna drel liovin chishta, batsi nranits vor Zhoghovurt@ tuzhets - voch, sxalvumenq!!!

 

Zhoghovurt@ chi tuzhel, tasnyak martiqen tuzhel!!! zhoghovurt@ kazmume 2 millionits avel, yev dranits anqam 1 tokos@ chi tuzhel!!!

Karelie hamarel vor Serzhi hamar sa mihat zgastanalu ariter, nayev bolor mnatsatsin vorpesi zgastanan yev tesnem zhoghovrdi hzorutsyun@, asenq te sranov karelie asel vor zhoghovurt@ haxtets mi ban, ushadrutsyun!!! nshanakume vor Serzhnel, bolor mnatsatsnel petqe barelavven iravichak@ Hayastanum vorpesi karoghanan graven zhoghovrdin...

 

El sranits avel inch asem? Bolornel hoqnelen es amen inchits!!! yekek miqich drakan amen inchin ditenq yev qnnadatenq, herike bacasakan amen inch veratsenq...

 

Yes nshelem mi qani vaxt arach yev eliem uzum nshel, yes demem Serzhin, bayts qani vor naye ghekavar@ aysorva oroq mer Hayreniqi, yes patrastem im uzheri chapov nran ogtakar linelu, hanun im Hayreniqi, yev hanun mer Hay Azgi... menq bolors petqe nran gravenq depi zhoghovurt vochte hrenq het, che vor nae mez nerkayatsnum amboxch ashxarum!!!

Well said Ashot, (I can't believe I'm saying this ) it is much better to work within and hold the authorities responsible for their actions.

 

[Ashot]

Thank you Yervant jan - Anhnarin Ban Chka!!!

[Anoushik]

I think that the fact that the current leaders did not get overthrown by the opposition was a very lucky (narrowly missed though) occurence in Armenia because I'm afraid what was going to be in store for the country if LTP took over again. SO...the little stories of this person hit the other and this and that do not matter to me much because I care more about who LTP was sponsored by than anything else! Similar violence occurs in many parts of the world when there's an election going on, so it's not the end of the world for the Armenians. The end of the world for us would have been the return of Artsax and western infiltration in Armenia...and by west you already know who I have in mind....They infiltrated Armenia during 1990s while LTP was the president, and they would have done it again if SS and RK were dumb enough to let that happen...

That's so true.

[Anoushik]

Chmoranam asel vor es videonel vor tents ashxuj stex endex naiumen bolor@ nuinpes havanakana vor fake-a...indz im friends batsartets te vonts kara heshtutiamb sargvi sa (krakotsneri amsiner)

Hmm... that's so interesting. Uremn kareli e asel vor et krakotsner@ "fake" en? Qo @nker@ videoneri masnaget e?

[elle]

Hmm... that's so interesting. Uremn kareli e asel vor et krakotsner@ "fake" en? Qo @nker@ videoneri masnaget e?

 

Chgitem ete masnageta baits gluxa hanum nman banerits...es miatel videoei tesel vortex asvuma te vontsen sargel et...ete uzumes naies asa kez uxarkem et videon ete khasakans iharke

[Ashot]

Elle, stegh dir nayenq, indzela hetaqrqir et videon!!!

[MosJan]

By John Hughes

ArmeniaNow editor

Published: 04 April, 2008

 

 

I watch the ripples change their size

But never leave the stream

David Bowie -- Changes

 

 

President Robert Kocharyan inherited turmoil. Ten years later he leaves turmoil behind him when he turns over the Presidential Office keys to Sergh Sargsyan Wednesday.

 

When, in 1998, Kocharyan took over, Levon Ter-Petrosyan left him a republic divided on the issue of Artsax and badly in need of resolving the issue for the sake of internal security and regional stability.

 

As Kocharyan leaves, peace in Artsax looks farther away than at any point since his famously failed "Key West Talks" in 2001. Seven years have passed since optimism was as bright as the tropical sun under which he and Aliyev I met. US Secretary of State Colin Powell was his host.

 

Now, Powell's successor Condoleezza Rice (herself about to move on) says meaningful Artsax talks look "doubtful".

 

The president from Artsax who turns over power to another president from Artsax, failed to serve his own hometown (Stepanakert), much less the Homeland, in reaching a settlement. He had 10 years to do it and couldn't.

 

What did Armenia achieve in the decade of Robert Kocharyan?

 

Six consecutive years of double-digit economic growth.

 

Despite the dramatic and regrettable conditions still endured across this country, it is undeniable that life here has gotten better – more comfortable, anyway – for many if not most.

 

Streets that once were as empty as bowling lanes waiting for the next roller are now bumper to bumper with stylish vehicles unimaginable when Kocharyan was but a 43 year old presidential newbie.

 

Where dark and dank soviet-style commissaries stood selling sub-standard products to a public scraping by, glistening supermarkets now stand offering not just staples, but indulgences. (Smoked eel at one of Mashtots Boulevard's newest groceries, goes for about $60 p/kilo.)

 

Streets are properly paved and even exterior highways are glassy smooth compared to the rutted conditions of a decade ago.

 

It is more convenient for the hopeless to escape now. And so they have while this president has built a homeland for the privileged – where those with money can afford the high life erected by displacing the desperate. Nobody here believes the official count that there are 3 million living in this country. Two million, maybe.

 

That so many left cannot be blamed on this outgoing president. That they didn't return is another matter. He built it, but they didn't come.

 

Others did. From the United States, from Iran, from the Middle East – those who forever longed to be in the "Motherland", but were just waiting until she provided the conveniences and comfort they required.

 

Six consecutive years of double-digit GDP growth is something any president should be proud of.

 

But allow a closer look.

 

According to reliable economists, 27 percent of that growth is due to construction. Another 14 percent, according to a United Nation's report, is due to remittances – including money sent from abroad by those who've left and are now supporting families here.

 

Those figures mean that nearly half (41 percent) of this booming economy is based on non-sustainable sources. And those are the sort of money-flow that are most vulnerable when there is no guarantee of security, as there is now concerning Artsax, and the tenuous conditions created by March 1.

 

And, as it concerns construction, it must stop at some point. And that point is likely to occur during the Sargsyan years – a phenomenon that The Serzhinator has surely considered.

 

Rightly noting his contribution to remarkable development, the legacy of Robert Kocharyan is that his administration has had a crippling effect on human rights that we can only hope will be repaired by his successor.

 

Do not forget Poghos Pogoshyan. A Kocharyan bodyguard beat the man to death in a jazz café toilet and walked away unpunished.

 

Do not forget the residents of Buzand Street. They were cheated out of their homes by compensation that was not only insufficient but insulting, to make way for development that benefited Kocharyan-friendly oligarchs. And when more than 100 cases alleging state wrongdoing were brought to court, not a single one was found in favor of the residents.

 

Do not forget that the Kocharyan administration shut down the only oppositional television station (A1+) and is still trying to silence the independent channel GALA, in Gyumri.

 

Do not forget that one of his last acts of legislation was to restrict the right of public assembly, leading to innocent citizens being plucked off the street and into police custody simply because they had political viewpoints that differed from the president's.

 

What have the past 10 years achieved? A lot.

 

Or not much. Depending on who you are. Or who you know.

[MosJan]

we can add more good that RQ has don

 

#1 in my list is his flexibility - and willingness to work and bring diaspora Armenian organizations

#2 working w/ diaspora based political party's / dashnaks / ramkavars & Hnchaks

 

[garmag]

By John Hughes

ArmeniaNow editor

Published: 04 April, 2008

 

 

I watch the ripples change their size

But never leave the stream

David Bowie -- Changes

 

 

President Robert Kocharyan inherited turmoil. Ten years later he leaves turmoil behind him when he turns over the Presidential Office keys to Sergh Sargsyan Wednesday.

 

 

Or not much. Depending on who you are. Or who you know.

 

At the risk of offending some folks at this forum... I feel compelled to state my opinion about this article by Mr. John Hughes, editor of ArmeniaNow in Armenia. (Independent news?)

 

By the way, all comments that do not suit Mr. Hughes liking, is deleted from ArmeniaNow... so much for unbiased news casting!

I wonder if this forum willl also find my comments unsuitable. THERE ARE NO CURSING OR INSULTS IN MY COMMENTS.

 

 

If one cares to peruse previously published articles by Mr. Hughes, you will be surprised to find a lot of quotations from rock stars at the beginning of each article. These invariably give me the sense of desperate and dark mood creating openings.

I do not think these are chance selections. They portray a reblious, unguided, exagerated utterings of the lost youth that created the hippies in the late 60's 70's and 80's.

One wonders what Mr. Hughes is spreading via these "wisdoms"?

 

As a transplanted journalist in Armenia, I find Mr. Hughes very biased and paternalistic.

His descriptions about Armenia's evolution for the past 17 years leaves one asking this simple question.

 

If Mr. Hughes had tried to do a little soul searching, he would have been more lenient towards Armenia's turmoils.

All he had to do was look to his nation of USA for the past Bush years.

The legacy left by Bush: Unending War, fear of terrorist attacks, economic depression, soaring gas prices, meddling in all of the world's conflicts (if not instigating at least contributing). Sub prime loans that are killing home owners!

My guess will be, what did I leave out? Depending of who you are or whom you know...?

 

As a parting thought, if nothing else, Kocharyan since 98, has not given back an inch of Artsakh to anybody!

We can only hope Armenian governments keep doing the same for the next 10 years!

 

Regarding Armenia's economy, even though blockaded, has had remarkable growth, no matter how or in which sector, (constructions are not like shares that are sooo volatile... see NYSE)... who is Mr. Hughes to belittle it?

Dubai's growth seems... JUST CONSTRUCTION. Is this bad?

 

[elle]

we can add more good that RQ has don

 

#1 in my list is his flexibility - and willingness to work and bring diaspora Armenian organizations

#2 working w/ diaspora based political party's / dashnaks / ramkavars & Hnchaks

 

 

How about not returning any lands to the enemy and managing to 'freeze' unresolved conflict? Or it isn't an achievement maybe?

If some Armenians think that what happened on March 1st was the biggest tragedy we have faced since our independence just think for a minute what was going to be in store for Armenia if LTP came back to power and after few years he started his old rhetoric regarding returning Armenian territories back to the Azeris!! Now then Armenia would be in a f***** up situation big time! I'm talking about its internal and external situation! If that happened, what occured on March 1st would have never been remembered because of how insignificant it would have been compared to the civil war instigated by LTP's deicision of retuning the lands. I'm sure everyone knows that if LTP returned anything to the Azeris, it was going to cost him big time...not only that but Armenia would have been in a catastrophic situation with internal divisions...I wouldn't be surprised if LTP gets shot after that...I mean look at history...anytime such deals are made, so many leaders have been murdered by their own people! This why I say that March 1st was not the end of the world...the end of the world would have been if LTP was back and persued his plans for giving back the lands....talking about major political chaos!

 

Of course, he wasn't going to get away by his rhetoric that easily! He would either get shot or get ousted for it like it happened back in 1999, even though it was him who announced his resignation...we all know it was done by pressure and not by his own will. Knowing how stubborn Karabkhtsis are, we can't be that naive to think that LTP was going to return territories without any Artsaxtsi participation in that decision making! He would have been faced with major problems! Perhaps it was for his own good that he didn't become the president...I doubt that he would have wanted to get ousted again or murdered for that matter.

Armenia definitely was lucky this time! Stability is always preferred over meaningless revolutions, which only screw up things.

 

 

Tsitsaxs galissa vor LTP-in aseler vor 40% piti icnhvor bardsatsni pensioner@.... daje Serj Sargsyan@ et tveri vra tsitsaxats!! Ahavora vor mardik kan hayastanum vor et 40%-in havtatasin ham ahavora hamel mexks galisen vor nman banerin havatalov arajen gnum ira hetevits chaskanalov vor anhnar bana da...aveli shut etkamel anhnar chi baits de chexats bana aveli shut!

Edited April 4, 2008 by elle

[MosJan]

che etpes mi m@tatsy - LTP voch mi h@rashqov el naxagha cher darnalu - da shat hangist kareli e haskanal - nerkayis karavarutyun@ h@skayakan gumarner en nerdrel yerkrum - irents sepakan $$ - isk iyd nerdrumnerits voch mek@ heshtutyamb chen h@rahjarvi

 

isk te inchu cher lini - yete liner el cher mna - na shat tuyl naxagah e yeghel - na gity patmutyun yve mijazgayin qaghaqakanutyun - sakayn na iyn andz@ chi ov karrogh e yerkir@ menak karravarel, chuni j@kunutyun chuni lezu g@tnelu yve komprimize anelu voch mi hatkutyun.. na cher mna - na k@handzner ir athor@ mekin yev norits ir hangist kyanqin k@veradarnar

 

 

iysinqn ov el vor nsty et athorin arajin @ir masin pit m@tatsi - etpes yekel e etpes el yerevi te k@gna yete joghovurd@ ir m@tatselakerp@ chpoxei mi qich

 

Artsaxi yev sh@rjapatogh hogheri hartsum - miyayn LTP che um iyd temayi shurj meghadrum en - nuyn@ nayev teghi e unetsel 6~8 amis araj RQ rekavarutyan koghmits yev mardiq ov boghoqi xosq haytnetsin haytnvetsin banterum, n@rantsits mek@ HAroutn er ov der bantum e

 

 

 

iys harster@ enqanov muth en vor voch mek@ jisht@ chen karrogh asel - kartsiq xndrem patrast enq lselu sakayn voch mek@ mezanist liovin gaghapar chuni srants masin

[MosJan]

At the risk of offending some folks at this forum... I feel compelled to state my opinion about this article by Mr. John Hughes, editor of ArmeniaNow in Armenia. (Independent news?)

 

By the way, all comments that do not suit Mr. Hughes liking, is deleted from ArmeniaNow... so much for unbiased news casting!

I wonder if this forum willl also find my comments unsuitable. THERE ARE NO CURSING OR INSULTS IN MY COMMENTS.

 

 

If one cares to peruse previously published articles by Mr. Hughes, you will be surprised to find a lot of quotations from rock stars at the beginning of each article. These invariably give me the sense of desperate and dark mood creating openings.

I do not think these are chance selections. They portray a reblious, unguided, exagerated utterings of the lost youth that created the hippies in the late 60's 70's and 80's.

One wonders what Mr. Hughes is spreading via these "wisdoms"?

 

As a transplanted journalist in Armenia, I find Mr. Hughes very biased and paternalistic.

His descriptions about Armenia's evolution for the past 17 years leaves one asking this simple question.

 

If Mr. Hughes had tried to do a little soul searching, he would have been more lenient towards Armenia's turmoils.

All he had to do was look to his nation of USA for the past Bush years.

The legacy left by Bush: Unending War, fear of terrorist attacks, economic depression, soaring gas prices, meddling in all of the world's conflicts (if not instigating at least contributing). Sub prime loans that are killing home owners!

My guess will be, what did I leave out? Depending of who you are or whom you know...?

 

As a parting thought, if nothing else, Kocharyan since 98, has not given back an inch of Artsakh to anybody!

We can only hope Armenian governments keep doing the same for the next 10 years!

 

Regarding Armenia's economy, even though blockaded, has had remarkable growth, no matter how or in which sector, (constructions are not like shares that are sooo volatile... see NYSE)... who is Mr. Hughes to belittle it?

Dubai's growth seems... JUST CONSTRUCTION. Is this bad?

 

 

qez handznem johni emaili hastsen - iren namak @ gry - Email: john@armenianow.com

 

vstah em yete iys varkyanis che apa shat mot apagayum na qez k@patasxani

 

isk mnatsatsi hamar du yerevi aveli jisht kanes HAyreniqum mi 6 amis apres, yev voch te turisty kargavijakov iyl apres iyntegh... hetio shat yev shat harsteri masin urish kerp k@xoses

 

 

as for Armenia now - "it's not a propaganda, but objective news We need these sobering voices in Armenia"

 

Armenia deserves better !!! yek huys kapenq te mek or Opozitsyan + Karavarutyun@ + M@tavorakan yev Arvestaget + Joghovurd k@gtnen miyasnakan "lezu" yerkir@ barelavelu irents isk lavi hamar

[elle]

che etpes mi m@tatsy - LTP voch mi h@rashqov el naxagha cher darnalu - da shat hangist kareli e haskanal - nerkayis karavarutyun@ h@skayakan gumarner en nerdrel yerkrum - irents sepakan $$ - isk iyd nerdrumnerits voch mek@ heshtutyamb chen h@rahjarvi

 

isk te inchu cher lini - yete liner el cher mna - na shat tuyl naxagah e yeghel - na gity patmutyun yve mijazgayin qaghaqakanutyun - sakayn na iyn andz@ chi ov karrogh e yerkir@ menak karravarel, chuni j@kunutyun chuni lezu g@tnelu yve komprimize anelu voch mi hatkutyun.. na cher mna - na k@handzner ir athor@ mekin yev norits ir hangist kyanqin k@veradarnar

 

 

iysinqn ov el vor nsty et athorin arajin @ir masin pit m@tatsi - etpes yekel e etpes el yerevi te k@gna yete joghovurd@ ir m@tatselakerp@ chpoxei mi qich

 

Artsaxi yev sh@rjapatogh hogheri hartsum - miyayn LTP che um iyd temayi shurj meghadrum en - nuyn@ nayev teghi e unetsel 6~8 amis araj RQ rekavarutyan koghmits yev mardiq ov boghoqi xosq haytnetsin haytnvetsin banterum, n@rantsits mek@ HAroutn er ov der bantum e

 

 

 

iys harster@ enqanov muth en vor voch mek@ jisht@ chen karrogh asel - kartsiq xndrem patrast enq lselu sakayn voch mek@ mezanist liovin gaghapar chuni srants masin

 

 

Ok ete dueles kartsum vro ink@ erkar cher mna, uremn petker vor naxagah liner u mi 2 taruts hetoiel durs gar/durs hanein u taza election kam taza mard dnein eli taza et mard@ ira mardkants berer ev ailn... petka vor 2 taruts heto eli es xar@ baner@ lini naxagahakan... uremn imats chjka vor ink@ het ga naxagahakani aveli lava en mard@ ga vor@ 5 tari knsti u ira gorts@ kani..lav te vat et arden kereva.. hamenaindeps amen 2 tarin petk chi vor naxagah poxenk! da menak unstabilutian u xarnvatsutuneria berelu. mek@ darela uremn tox ira 5 tarin lratsni orenkov ail vocht e amen 2 tarin taza mard tesnenk himaiel...sa nshanakuam vor es ameninch inch LTP-in arets hayastanum..mardkants uxex@ kerav stits tex@ imast chuner ev karar charver meka ink@ erbek successful president chi exel u cherel lini...enel es orov.

karain ev es provakatsianer@ chanein vortev voch irants ogut ekav vochel himikva petakanautian@, ev mardik tujvetsin ev zohvetsin et patcharov...isk inch kapvats Sejri businessneri het, asem vor ete gone rpesident@ businnesner uni ev gortsaraner (es gortsarani amsinc hgitem baits ete tentsela0 uremn da vata? investment@ mer ergrum michtel lava, ev aveli lava busnessmen president kants tsaxox mi urish@ vor voch busnessnerova contribute anum ergrin vochel...

mi xoskov eliem asum vro imats chkar LTP-in vor het gar vortev ink@ erkar cher mna ev ergri kaxakakanutun@ eli shbotutuneri mejer dnelu...voch mek chi kara asi vor daje ete frauda exel Serji koxmits, uremn meka Serj@ cher krelu...ergri metsamasnutun@ chi enterel Levonin ev 52% ev 17% shat mets tarberutun ka vor levon@ aser te illegimitae et electioner@...inchkamel illegimt exats liner, et astichani cehn kara fraud anel vor 35% tarberutun lini...ev na et ameninchits heto asuma vor te inkna krel...mtom inknel fraud chi arel..migutse ete LTP-in magur election andskatsner ink@ ski 10% dzainer@ cherel vertsni! arants election linelu ink@ rian haytararaumer vor presidenta! ajkis xelk@ tarela et mardu tarikits...nman baner ova asum minchev electioner u tents hamuzvatutiamb. Ira hamar fraud aneoxner@ uremn lav fraud chen arel vro endhamen@ 17%-ien hastsrel ira dzainer@...they should have tried harder

[garmag]

qez handznem johni emaili hastsen - iren namak @ gry - Email: john@armenianow.com

 

 

isk mnatsatsi hamar du yerevi aveli jisht kanes HAyreniqum mi 6 amis apres, yev voch te turisty kargavijakov iyl apres iyntegh... hetio shat yev shat harsteri masin urish kerp k@xoses

 

Thank you MosJan,

I had his E-mail. I do read ArmeniaNow...

Mr. Hughes or his censurers, after displaying some of my comments in ArmeniaNow, delete all comments that are critical of their points of view without any explanation. I am not refering to abusive and insulting comments.

I do live just under six months in Shushi, every year since 2003.

 

Ayl gerb xoselu hamar guyr bedq-e linem.

Hojoxutyun.

[MosJan]

karevor che r LTP linel@ yev kam voch - na ch@liner mek urishn er linelu - yev yerevi te aveli mard et mek urishin k@miyaynar- hashvi ar vro shater@ d@jgoh en lTP-it's yete liner mek urish apa sht aveli mardiq k@miyanayin opozitsyain - yek m@tatsy vor LTP RQ SS mek n@patak unen - irenq en iyd yerkri ter!@ ?? h@Naravor e da ?? shat ov berets RQ & SS - um hamar eyin nm@ranq ashxatum ?? LTP hamar - inchu bolor@ patjvetsin LTP voch ?? na hangist aprel e HAyastanum 10 tari e arden - es tesak tatroni scenari maisn el m@tatsy -

 

heto mi moratsy menq Hayer@s inchpes kanon tsnvum enq Tagavor yev Taguhi - inchpes minimum gone prezident

 

 

hima irents nerdrats $$$ maisn bussnesi yev $$ ahreli mi karroghutyan ter Sarghsyan yev qocharyan zuyg@ - et um yev inch $$$ en hasel et karroghutyan@ ?? - konkret voch mek@ chgity sakayn kareli e gushakel

 

 

zarmanalin iyn e vro vich mi teknatsuyi nax@ntrakan jarer@ bani petq cheyin - mi qich asenq Arturi @entrats janaparh@ aveli haskanali er voroshis hamar jisht - isk inch verabervum e LTP & Serji ?? yerkusn el datark xosqer eyin - sakayn yerkusn el bavakanin dziyner havagetsin - zarmanali e che ??

vorpes h@retor - NAxagahi teknatsu kam naxkin naxagah irents jarrerits yes vorpes d@rsi mard cheyi hamuzvel irents xosqerits yeluytnerits

 

 

[MosJan]

Thank you MosJan,

I had his E-mail. I do read ArmeniaNow...

Mr. Hughes or his censurers, after displaying some of my comments in ArmeniaNow, delete all comments that are critical of their points of view without any explanation. I am not refering to abusive and insulting comments.

I do live just under six months in Shushi, every year since 2003.

 

Ayl gerb xoselu hamar guyr bedq-e linem.

Hojoxutyun.

 

aprelov 6 amis amen tary Shushium du amen inch normal es tesnum ?

iysinqn du vochinch cheyir poxei ??

iysinqn inchpes or ka etpes el lav e ???

[garmag]

aprelov 6 amis amen tary Shushium du amen inch normal es tesnum ?

iysinqn du vochinch cheyir poxei ??

iysinqn inchpes or ka etpes el lav e ???

 

 

Votch yev et chi qareli...

 

All things can be improved given honest good will and lots of effort!

It's a better proposition to give a positive push rather a negative pull.

 

Since my first visit in 1975! I have found enormous changes taking place in Armenia.

In the 90's LTP times and later, I have witnessed scores of BAD/GOOD/BAD/GOOD... things...

All those who do not have the wellfare and stability of our nation at heart, are doom sayers painting the coutry in the worst possible scenarios.

The destructive publicity, spread through some poison pens, achieve their ultimate goal of undermining Armenia's tourism industry, as well as keeping away potential investors from Armenia, as a productive investment sector.

 

Armenia needs to carry on, cleverly keeping good relations with all super powers.

Any force that creates an athmosphere of FRATRICIDAL WAR should be eradicated as soon as possible.

Our enemies just crave for this occurence.

Finally we need to watch our immediate neighbours like hawks at all times, to keep what little we have.

 

Anklieren em qrel Hayeren chegartatzoxneri hamar.

l

 

 

 

 

[elle]

Ltp-in migutse mi or bant nstatsnen, baits hima chen kara anen! Da knshanakai vor oppositsiain nstatsnumen bant? sax ashxarov mek da cher antsni, ev irank chen kara prosto tak nstatsnen LTP-in. Tents hesht chi arajin@ erkrordnel mijazgain organizationaer@ sax kkxarnvein hayastani gortseri mej nerkin, ev es xosumem mijazgain human rights watcheri ev nman mus organizationeri voronts hents tents mets patcharel petka vor irank irants ktner@ mtsnen aindex vor irants petk chi, dra hamar ko asats 'de tox LTP-in nstatsnen" chi antsni vortev chen kara hents tents vertsnen u nstatsnen ev kartselov vor takits da kantsni.....chmoranank vor hents LTP-na vor dursi het kaper uni dra hamar tents hesht chi....dra hamarel nra koxmnakitsnerinen (puchurnerin tents asats) tanum u nstatsnum kam shtrafer anum, isk LTP-in irank chen kara hents hima nstatsnen...hetagaium mi gutse mi ban anen...kamel chanen es da chgitem u ktesnenk, baits de hima vertsnen u nstatsnen candidatnerits mekin vor@ presidentakaner talis, anhnara!

Vorpes inch nstatsnen... mardaspan te chaos stextsox? de menk inkners gitenk vor ink@ chao stextsoxa, baits du ari etkam@ evropatsinerin kam amerikain batsatrri aselov vor LTP-in bant nstatsnel@ harkavor baner...isk prosto tak vertsnel u bani tex chdnel west-i kartsiknerin, etela anhnar vonts arden asetsi LTP-i hetevum kangantsen ev batsi dranits hayastan@ aveli u aveli ira image kkortsni ev enkam negative ultimatumner kstana drsit misht vor ski Artsaxi harts@ arden imast@ kkortsni urishneri dimats. erexaiakan bana asel te de tox nstatsnen...ete ergragndi vra menak hayastan@ liner vorpes ergi, kamel lineink amena hzor ergir@ sax ergrneri mej, migutse et arats@ antsner, baits de da chi irakanutun@ ev LTP-in nstatsnel@ shatr aveli kkashi hayastanin amen dzevov....chmoranank vor jhudnernel piti xarnven mer gortseri mech...

 

ete tents mtatses te de tox nstatsnen...etents enkam mard ka vor nstatsnelu...inchkamel vro brnelen da 0.001% um piti brnen...chem hishum ete duieir sa asel te urish mek@ baits xosveler vor es ameninch@ prosto show-a ev aratsa vor saxin drants nstatsnen....ete ktsenk te tentsa (vor@ tents chi), uremn nshanakuma vor LTP-its aveli davachan mard@ chi kara lini vortev ink@ uremn paimanavorvelov RK ev SS-i het na sents bana arel, incha te patchar vor en mnatstatsnin voronk demen ergrin, nstatsnen banter...chmoranank vor um nstatsrelen sax LTP-i kipernen exel 1990-akaneri jamanak.....vor@ nshanakuma vor LTP-in matnela ev davachanela ira sax engernerin voronk rian koxk@ misht kangnatsen exel ev iran supporten arel! Ete tentsa aveli vat hents LTO-i hamar....ev ko hamarel vor nman stor davachani koxmnakitses...vor@ ira motiknerin (voronk misht kipen exel Levonin) nman dzevi davachanela u patchara tvel vor hertov nstatsnen...uzuma Grzon lini uzuma Zurabyan@ ev mnatsatsner@....mi xoskov uzumem asem vor ete nman bana paimanavorvel Levon@ uremn et inch astichani takank piti lini vor matni ira sax engernerin nman dzevi.... ev es uraxem vro nman davachanin chem erbek support arel... baits eliem asum vor sents chi ev chem patkeratsnum et inch astichani stor mard piti lini vor saxin nman dzevi tsaxats lini himikva ishxanutian@!!!! es verji scenarion iharke patkeratsnelov asetsi, ev es chem gtnum vor da tentsa...prosto commentei anum ko te mi urishi asatsi vra vor mtom sa kazmakerpvats baner isshxanutian ev Levoni koxmits....uzumei asel vor tekuz ete tentsa uremn meka eli Levona vat durs galis inchel ases!

 

 

 

karevor che r LTP linel@ yev kam voch - na ch@liner mek urishn er linelu - yev yerevi te aveli mard et mek urishin k@miyaynar- hashvi ar vro shater@ d@jgoh en lTP-it's yete liner mek urish apa sht aveli mardiq k@miyanayin opozitsyain - yek m@tatsy vor LTP RQ SS mek n@patak unen - irenq en iyd yerkri ter!@ ?? h@Naravor e da ?? shat ov berets RQ & SS - um hamar eyin nm@ranq ashxatum ?? LTP hamar - inchu bolor@ patjvetsin LTP voch ?? na hangist aprel e HAyastanum 10 tari e arden - es tesak tatroni scenari maisn el m@tatsy -

 

heto mi moratsy menq Hayer@s inchpes kanon tsnvum enq Tagavor yev Taguhi - inchpes minimum gone prezident

 

 

hima irents nerdrats $$$ maisn bussnesi yev $$ ahreli mi karroghutyan ter Sarghsyan yev qocharyan zuyg@ - et um yev inch $$$ en hasel et karroghutyan@ ?? - konkret voch mek@ chgity sakayn kareli e gushakel

 

 

zarmanalin iyn e vro vich mi teknatsuyi nax@ntrakan jarer@ bani petq cheyin - mi qich asenq Arturi @entrats janaparh@ aveli haskanali er voroshis hamar jisht - isk inch verabervum e LTP & Serji ?? yerkusn el datark xosqer eyin - sakayn yerkusn el bavakanin dziyner havagetsin - zarmanali e che ??

vorpes h@retor - NAxagahi teknatsu kam naxkin naxagah irents jarrerits yes vorpes d@rsi mard cheyi hamuzvel irents xosqerits yeluytnerits

Edited April 4, 2008 by elle

[elle]

Es hishelov 90-akan tariener@ hima shat uraxem vor opportunitia exel vor HHS-akanerin nstatsnen irar hetevits...inch vor arelein hayastanum ev terrori mejein gtsel sax ergir@ uremn lavel anumen vor hima drants banternen uxarkum...shutvanits piti arats linein voch te nor.

 

LTP managed to oust Dashnaks in 1990s right? Well now it's time for HHS to be ousted one by one...looks like what goes around, comes around!

[MosJan]

Ltp-in migutse mi or bant nstatsnen, baits hima chen kara anen! Da knshanakai vor oppositsiain nstatsnumen bant? sax ashxarov mek da cher antsni, ev irank chen kara prosto tak nstatsnen LTP-in. Tents hesht chi arajin@ erkrordnel mijazgain organizationaer@ sax kkxarnvein hayastani gortseri mej nerkin, ev es xosumem mijazgain human rights watcheri ev nman mus organizationeri voronts hents tents mets patcharel petka vor irank irants ktner@ mtsnen aindex vor irants petk chi, dra hamar ko asats 'de tox LTP-in nstatsnen" chi antsni vortev chen kara hents tents vertsnen u nstatsnen ev kartselov vor takits da kantsni.....chmoranank vor hents LTP-na vor dursi het kaper uni dra hamar tents hesht chi....dra hamarel nra koxmnakitsnerinen (puchurnerin tents asats) tanum u nstatsnum kam shtrafer anum, isk LTP-in irank chen kara hents hima nstatsnen...hetagaium mi gutse mi ban anen...kamel chanen es da chgitem u ktesnenk, baits de hima vertsnen u nstatsnen candidatnerits mekin vor@ presidentakaner talis, anhnara!

Vorpes inch nstatsnen... mardaspan te chaos stextsox? de menk inkners gitenk vor ink@ chao stextsoxa, baits du ari etkam@ evropatsinerin kam amerikain batsatrri aselov vor LTP-in bant nstatsnel@ harkavor baner...isk prosto tak vertsnel u bani tex chdnel west-i kartsiknerin, etela anhnar vonts arden asetsi LTP-i hetevum kangantsen ev batsi dranits hayastan@ aveli u aveli ira image kkortsni ev enkam negative ultimatumner kstana drsit misht vor ski Artsaxi harts@ arden imast@ kkortsni urishneri dimats. erexaiakan bana asel te de tox nstatsnen...ete ergragndi vra menak hayastan@ liner vorpes ergi, kamel lineink amena hzor ergir@ sax ergrneri mej, migutse et arats@ antsner, baits de da chi irakanutun@ ev LTP-in nstatsnel@ shatr aveli kkashi hayastanin amen dzevov....chmoranank vor jhudnernel piti xarnven mer gortseri mech...

 

ete tents mtatses te de tox nstatsnen...etents enkam mard ka vor nstatsnelu...inchkamel vro brnelen da 0.001% um piti brnen...chem hishum ete duieir sa asel te urish mek@ baits xosveler vor es ameninch@ prosto show-a ev aratsa vor saxin drants nstatsnen....ete ktsenk te tentsa (vor@ tents chi), uremn nshanakuma vor LTP-its aveli davachan mard@ chi kara lini vortev ink@ uremn paimanavorvelov RK ev SS-i het na sents bana arel, incha te patchar vor en mnatstatsnin voronk demen ergrin, nstatsnen banter...chmoranank vor um nstatsrelen sax LTP-i kipernen exel 1990-akaneri jamanak.....vor@ nshanakuma vor LTP-in matnela ev davachanela ira sax engernerin voronk rian koxk@ misht kangnatsen exel ev iran supporten arel! Ete tentsa aveli vat hents LTO-i hamar....ev ko hamarel vor nman stor davachani koxmnakitses...vor@ ira motiknerin (voronk misht kipen exel Levonin) nman dzevi davachanela u patchara tvel vor hertov nstatsnen...uzuma Grzon lini uzuma Zurabyan@ ev mnatsatsner@....mi xoskov uzumem asem vor ete nman bana paimanavorvel Levon@ uremn et inch astichani takank piti lini vor matni ira sax engernerin nman dzevi.... ev es uraxem vro nman davachanin chem erbek support arel... baits eliem asum vor sents chi ev chem patkeratsnum et inch astichani stor mard piti lini vor saxin nman dzevi tsaxats lini himikva ishxanutian@!!!! es verji scenarion iharke patkeratsnelov asetsi, ev es chem gtnum vor da tentsa...prosto commentei anum ko te mi urishi asatsi vra vor mtom sa kazmakerpvats baner isshxanutian ev Levoni koxmits....uzumei asel vor tekuz ete tentsa uremn meka eli Levona vat durs galis inchel ases!

 

 

isk inchu joghovurd@ ir xosq@ chasi ?/ kam artahayti ir kartsiq@ ?? kam tekuz ogtagortsy LTP ir kartsiq@ ir dziyn @ nerkayis karravarutyan@ l@sel talu hamar - tsuyts ta te inch e sxal tekuz yev sovorakan mi tsuyts anelov - iys verjin mi qani amisneri depqer@ yekekq hamarden WAKE UP CALL nerkayis karravarutyan@ vro joghoviurdi mej der kan mardiq ov tekuz ir kyanqi g@nov patrast e ir kartsiq@ aselu - da ir iravunqi mej e

 

inchpes du es iravunqi mej xoselu yev haytnelu qo d@jgohutuun@ - iynqan el n@ranq - du @entrrel es internet@ xoselu - iren azatutyan h@raparak@

 

RQ & SS aveli mets ogut k@stanar LTP'is n@ra het hamagortsaktselov - qanzi yerkusn el bavakanin mets mijazgayin kaper unen...

 

 

es qaghaqakanutunits p@rtsum chunenq aravotyan Golf Xaghaluts bidzeq@ irar eyin talis - en nuyn bidzeq@ ovqer 3~4 amis araj voch LTP eyin uzum voch el SS hima amen mek@ mi koghm en b@Rnel LTP / SS - nuynisk normal Golf chen karroghanum xaghal 3 jam g@lux@s gnats

 

ehhhh Maestorn jisht er Muzikant POlitika ch@zbaghvel