KnightOfArmenia Posted April 1, 2008 Report Share Posted April 1, 2008 hetaqrqir mi video jamanak unenaq nayeq joghovurd Mos, look yourself at 2:10. And at every other scene before then where it shows the line of police with the protesters in front of them. You call that "peaceful"? Honestly? I'm not buying the "they had people sneak in just to incite a riot" conspiracy - I avoid conspiracies altogether, to be honest. The folks were very confrontational with the police, and after so many days of police inaction - and so many days of LTP making coup statements such as "these Defense ministers are on our side and have sworn the army will not march against us!" and etc. (c'mon, what kind of statement is that if not a coup d'etat one? Be honest), the more upstart supporters thought they had the upper hand and crossed lines. By contrast, I dare you to go to any protest anywhere in the world and throw rocks at the police, and see if you aren't shut down. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ashot Posted April 1, 2008 Report Share Posted April 1, 2008 Here we go again... please stop this nonesence - KNIGHTS YOU WERE NOT THERE were you? If you weren't then you don't really know what happened and who did what... so please stop this, it is becoming very annoying... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KnightOfArmenia Posted April 1, 2008 Report Share Posted April 1, 2008 (edited) Here we go again... please stop this nonesence - KNIGHTS YOU WERE NOT THERE were you? If you weren't then you don't really know what happened and who did what... so please stop this, it is becoming very annoying... Dude, there's a video. What are you talking about, I was not there? You can see the entire crowd is reacting and rushing up the stairs. Edited April 1, 2008 by KnightOfArmenia Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ashot Posted April 1, 2008 Report Share Posted April 1, 2008 are you sure it was not organized bu some 40 peopel? are you sure it was organized? we can argue on this for hours bro... it is just nonesence, you see something else I see totally something different, i pay attention to other stuff that are more important for me and you pay attention to something that is more important for you... all I am saying we all have different points of view and we can argue on this topic as long as it takes, but we should move on... and forget what has been done and look forward to what is going to be done!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KnightOfArmenia Posted April 1, 2008 Report Share Posted April 1, 2008 I heard that because people do not carry any identification with them like we do in US, they take people around the area to get their finger prints at the police station and then release them. I guess there were number of injured civilians on March 2nd who ended up in the hospitals and ran away later on because they were scared that they were going to be charged for participating at the LTP rally, so they ran away from the hospitals....obviously they had no identifications with them, so the government is getting many people finger printed on the streets to identify them if March 1st ever occurs again. I also heard that they're only doing it in that area because that's the area where many gather...they don't do it all across the city. Dunno about that. I would expect that the answer would likely be simpler - ordnance passed forbidding travel in X area, and they're simply enforcing the law. The law is the law, and Justice is blind - that means there is no reasoning with it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KnightOfArmenia Posted April 1, 2008 Report Share Posted April 1, 2008 are you sure it was not organized bu some 40 peopel? are you sure it was organized? we can argue on this for hours bro... it is just nonesence, you see something else I see totally something different, i pay attention to other stuff that are more important for me and you pay attention to something that is more important for you... all I am saying we all have different points of view and we can argue on this topic as long as it takes, but we should move on... and forget what has been done and look forward to what is going to be done!!! I generally only accept proven things as facts. For example, if there wasn't evidence that this had happened, I wouldn't believe it. I find being skeptical has lead me to being far more successful in life. The one place I make this exception is in the inherently unprovable, i.e. religion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MosJan Posted April 1, 2008 Report Share Posted April 1, 2008 mard pit ardar lini mek@ qar e q@tsel muys@ patuhan kotrel muys@ havanagila parel muys@ ir marmnov vostikanin pashtpanel muys@ dzerrq dzerqi tvats qaghaqapetarani dimats kangnats cher toghel mek@ araj gnar, dra hamar qar jakatin er kerel mek muysin e meghadrum - muysn el mekin ardyunqum tujvum e ov ?? - joghovurd@ espes kareli e mi amboghj kyanq sharunakel - chor'n el tatsi het varrvats espes asats Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anoushik Posted April 1, 2008 Report Share Posted April 1, 2008 are you sure it was not organized bu some 40 peopel? are you sure it was organized? we can argue on this for hours bro... it is just nonesence, you see something else I see totally something different, i pay attention to other stuff that are more important for me and you pay attention to something that is more important for you... all I am saying we all have different points of view and we can argue on this topic as long as it takes, but we should move on... and forget what has been done and look forward to what is going to be done!!! Ashot, you have to look at the facts. Those videos speak for themselves. The crowd was out of control. Period. You can't bend reality and make it seem something else. What other stuff do you pay attention to? I'd like to know that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anoushik Posted April 1, 2008 Report Share Posted April 1, 2008 mard pit ardar lini mek@ qar e q@tsel... ardyunqum tujvum e ov ?? - joghovurd@ Ed amen mi anhat@ vor iren vat e pahel (patuhan kotrel, etc.) joghovurdi mi masnik e. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ashot Posted April 1, 2008 Report Share Posted April 1, 2008 Anoushik jan, goyutsyun uni zhoghovurt@, hetevabar zhoghovurti ghekavar@, yev nrants opositsian... Hima... yete du ghekavarnes yev do bolorin hramanes tvel vor hangist kangneq, vochmi vat baner mi arek, mekel myus koghmits 60 hoqi mianqamits gorumen hartsakvetsinq, u hartsakvumen opositsiai vra zhoghovurtnel xarnvuma irar arten, inqnstoren kam mianumen et 60 hoqun kamel teche shuren galis gnum... yete ushadrutsyun darts@nes bolori eresnerin k@n@kates vor shater@ chenel haskanum incha katarvum, inchi hamar, yev vonts sk@svets... MI ANQAMELEM ASUM, HERIQA ES TEMAN SHOSHAPEQ - L.T.P. I TIROCH MERNEL SERZHINNEL VRITS YEV BOLOR NRANTS OVQER ZHOGHOVRTI BARELAVMAN MASIN CHEM MTATSUM... hima petqa nsteq u indz batsatreq vor grete 10,000 zhoghovurt hartsakvetsin shenqi vra u ch@karoghatsan graven shenq@??? miqich real egheq eli, miqich mtatselov xosatseq, uremn 10,000 hoqi hartsakvetsin 1,000 hoqanots banaki vra yev ch@karoghatsan vochinch anel? Nshanakuma mi ban vor kazmakerpoghner@ irents ponter@ q@tsetsin yev ch@ statsvets, zhoghovurt@ etqanem miamit cher... Urem heriqa es topic@, arten lav ban chi statsvelu... amen meks pndumenq mer@, vochmeks nerka chenq eghel, aravel yevs vormekt zangumeq erevan xosalu ch@gitem inchi bolornel LTP koghmnakitsen, duqel cheq haskanum inchi tents eghav, incha katarvum vonts inch... HERIQQQQQAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anoushik Posted April 1, 2008 Report Share Posted April 1, 2008 Bayts inchi es neghvum? Inchn e heriq? Ba es forum@ inchi hamar e yete chenq karogh qnnarkel te inch e yeghel Hayastanum u sharunakvum e? Du qo koghm@ asum es, bayts neghvum es vor yes el im nkatoghutyunn em anum. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ashot Posted April 1, 2008 Report Share Posted April 1, 2008 Anoushik jan, pay attention on the topic - What Should Be Done? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AVO Posted April 1, 2008 Report Share Posted April 1, 2008 well in this case it was obvious that the cops were taking in women as well, I don't see how that could be edited!!! Isk esi off topic cher? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anoushik Posted April 1, 2008 Report Share Posted April 1, 2008 Anoushik jan, pay attention on the topic - What Should Be Done? OK? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ashot Posted April 1, 2008 Report Share Posted April 1, 2008 Avo jan, isk minchev eti karas hashves qani hat off topica eghel? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AVO Posted April 1, 2008 Report Share Posted April 1, 2008 Liq@ Ashot jan, dra hamar el Anushikin asel@ te off topic mi gna shat sxala. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anoushik Posted April 1, 2008 Report Share Posted April 1, 2008 Avo jan, isk minchev eti karas hashves qani hat off topica eghel? Precisely my point as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ashot Posted April 1, 2008 Report Share Posted April 1, 2008 Avo jan, yerevi te parzoren chem xosum... Im asats@ Anushikin chi... mi xarni amen inch irar... Anushikin batsatrumem te inchi hamar chem uzum es xosaqtsutsyun@ stegh sharunakvi... Anushik@ inch kuzi kara asi, nayev bolor matsats@... Bayts cheq kartsum vor sk@svets eli vichabanutsyun@ gnalua... vorovhetev skeptik, critip, optimist, shat unenq... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ashot Posted April 1, 2008 Report Share Posted April 1, 2008 Anoushik jan, qani vor steghes, es topic@ karanq miqich maqrtenq? mihat urish topic ka vortegh es amen inch@ qnnarkvuma - kam qnnarkvumer, teghapoxenq amen inch entegh, yesel mech ch@m@tnem, togh inchqan uzumen antsyalits xosan... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AVO Posted April 1, 2008 Report Share Posted April 1, 2008 Kam @ndanrapes chpetqa xosank, kamel karanq martavari arants irar het krvelu, viravorelu zruyts anenq u meks myusin haskananq. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anoushik Posted April 1, 2008 Report Share Posted April 1, 2008 Ashot, vor topicn e? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anoushik Posted April 1, 2008 Report Share Posted April 1, 2008 Bayts cheq kartsum vor sk@svets eli vichabanutsyun@ gnalua... vorovhetev skeptik, critip, optimist, shat unenq... Ashot, Avoi het hamadzayn em. Kareli e arants krvi mer kartsiq@ asel. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ashot Posted April 1, 2008 Report Share Posted April 1, 2008 Anoushik jan chishtn asats chem imanum vor topicner bayts gitem vor Armenian Republic thread i mech petqa lini!!! spasi gtnem Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ashot Posted April 1, 2008 Report Share Posted April 1, 2008 Anoushik jan, here it could be easily put in here!!! - http://hyeforum.com/index.php?showtopic=17754 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elle Posted April 2, 2008 Report Share Posted April 2, 2008 I think many of us are already familiar with Armen Ayvazyan. I found this interesting article written by him... MARCH 1 DISORDERS: ATTEMPT TO INCITE A WAR Interview with Doctor ARMEN AYVAZYAN, Head of ¡°Ararat¡± strategic planning center ¡°Mr. Ayvazyan, can the post-electoral developments be considered as a failed attempt of staging a ¡®colored¡¯ revolution?¡± ¡°It is extremely important to make a proper political and legal assessment on what happened. I am sure that the March 1 disorders constituted an attempt of inciting a civil war. I live at a distance of 100 meters from the area where the serious clashes between the ¡®demonstrators¡¯ and the law enforcement forces began. That¡¯s to say, I saw and heard almost everything. My friends and relatives live in the neighborhood, in Grigor Lousavorich Street, and I kept in touch with them during the whole day. The so-called ¡®revolutionaries¡¯ occupied a large territory in the central part of the city, built barricades there, organized ¡®self-defense¡¯ and finally, attacked the Armenian soldiers. Calling the Armenian soldiers and policemen ¡®Turks¡¯, they simultaneously appealed to the people to join them and disobey the orders, i.e. to launch an armed attack on the forces which remained loyal to the Government. Consequently, all this was not merely an attempt of staging a coup d¡¯¨¦tat and a ¡®colored¡¯ revolution, but rather, a premeditated attempt of inciting a civil war and fratricide, which is more dangerous. In this respect, it is important to consider and clearly imagine not only the March 1 tragedy, but also the possible worst consequences that might have resulted therefrom. Imagine for a moment that at least a battalion or a platoon could have succumbed to the provocation and taken sides with the rioters. A real battle among the servicemen would have started in the center of Yerevan. In that case, the number of the victims would have been greater. This kind of actions provoked by Ter-Petrosyan and his team demonstrate a highest degree of irresponsibility, especially if we consider the preparations of Azerbaijan and the existence of Turkey standing behind its back.¡± ¡°Do you think Armenia and its population were endangered on both the internal and external fronts?¡± ¡°Naturally, Ilham Aliev would have taken advantage of the situation and issued an order for launching a large-scale attack. All this might have led to the loss of Artsakh and Syunik and finally brought about the loss of the whole country. Therefore, it is necessary to realize that on March 1-2the issue of the Armenian statehood was on the table. After all this, it is absurd to consider the Armenian Pan-National Movement as opposition. I hope the state will demonstrate enough political will to make an adequate legal assessment on what happened. It is also necessary to make a proper analysis on the pre- and post-election stages preceding the March 1 events. L. Ter-Petrosyan and his team had been making preparations to stage a coup d¡¯¨¦tat and incite a civil war under the auspices of alien forces before the 2008 presidential elections. For 10 years continuously, the press supporting the Armenian Pan-National Movement was busy preparing the ¡°March 1¡± events. Humbling the national values and dignity, blunting the people¡¯s fear for the Azerbaijani-Turkish hazard, inventing and extending the artificial partition between the people of Armenia and Artsax, they were ruining the foundations of Armenia¡¯s security in a consistent manner. It is necessary to confess that to a certain extent, the authorities are also to blame for the problems mentioned above. Many of the present-day state officials were the apprentices of the ideological and human resource school of the Armenian Pan-National Movement, and they often implement the party¡¯s policy in the framework of their activity. As to the relevant bodies, they were either unwatchful or closed their eyes both to the information-psychological war waged against the Armenian statehood from inside and the organized violent activities financed and directed from abroad.¡± ¡°Taking a retrospective glance, what possibilities can you specify for preventing what happened?¡± ¡°After a ten-year preparatory work, Ter-Petrosyan returned to the political arena and declared of his intention to stage a revolution. When, for several months continuously, the presidential candidate calls the country¡¯s President a ¡®criminal¡¯ and accuses him of committing the gravest crimes while speaking in the demonstrations or appearing on air, and does not submit the facts available to him to the instances of justice, considers the Republic of Armenia a ¡®state of chieftains¡¯, does not admit the state institutions and all the legal instances, it¡¯s more than clear that he is preparing for a subversion, revolution, disorders and terror, rather than elections.¡± Declaring the top figures of the state criminals and not submitting the supporting facts to the relevant legal instances is nothing more than an initiative of self-criticism and a call for terror. This is what Ter-Petrosyan is doing. The authorities are to blame because back in autumn, they didn¡¯t prevent Ter-Petrosyan¡¯s obviously illegal and revolutionary steps; they didn¡¯t call him to the court and didn¡¯t demand accountability. In the rally organized on February 27, he already announced, ¡°Our current movement is a bourgeois-democratic revolution¡±. And the authorities again did not prevent his activity, hoping mistakenly that everything would be settled automatically. After the February 19 elections, it also became clear that L. Ter-Petrosyan had been engaged in subversive activity for a long time, and such activity extended even to the force structures, including the Armenian Army, and he managed to recruit at least one influential military official. In the February 27 rally, Ter-Petrosyan also made a false and provocative statement that, ¡°the overwhelming majority of the law enforcement agencies and servicemen have taken sides with the opposition.¡± His activities had taken an extremely dangerous course, posing a threat to Armenia¡¯s national security. And its possible consequences might have been disastrous as they might have led to §Ñ cleavage, an armed confrontation and unjustified fratricide clashes inside the Army. And all this would have happened in conditions of the real threat of Azerbaijan¡¯s large-scale invasion. Deliberately ignoring the external danger before March 1, he was striving for a civil war which can have no justification under any circumstances. Fortunately, the authorities managed to finally neutralize the danger of the program aimed at inciting clashes, subversion and a civil war.¡± ¡°And why wasn¡¯t all this averted much earlier?¡± ¡°The corrupt phenomena accumulated in our public-political life, i.e. the lack of informational protection, the universal corruption, the clan system, the increased social injustice, the ridiculous human resource policy, the mass betrayal of national values and culture etc., became a hindrance. But today, people who never expressed a political attitude have suddenly become ¡®revolutionaries¡¯ and want to solve the most complex problems inside the country at one blow, confusing the cause-effect relationship and succession of events, mixing their past, present and future activities, burying Armenia¡¯s strategic vulnerability in total oblivion,. It is necessary to realize that the solution of these problems will require a long-term and painstaking work.¡± Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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