NoComment Posted January 4, 2008 Report Share Posted January 4, 2008 (edited) Artusian, your links only confirm that he is a doctor, absolutely nothing else sorry and thank you Gamavor, your video is suck, the conspiracy theory doesn´t work you may forgot that 2 centuries before the genocide jews were evicted from the ottoman empire whereas rich armenians (the amiras) where ruling turkey behind the sultans (+ the mother of Abdullah Hamid was armenian) + dashnag party help the Young Turks to take power ..... does it make us responsible ??? There´s a major difference between the denial of the thruth and not supporting it. The disgusting behavior of the jews is to condemn, as our disguting behavior (not supporting in a larger scale the other christians who also were exterminated during the genocide... ) Edited January 4, 2008 by NoComment Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
artusian Posted January 4, 2008 Author Report Share Posted January 4, 2008 I post what Ariel Barkan said again: Read his message yourself: (Armenian Tale of Turkish Genocide Simply Untrue I am an Israeli Jew, originally from the former Soviet Union, and have no dog in the Turkish-Armenian fight. Nevertheless, the history of Armenian-Turkish relations is a difficult and complex one, and Jonathan Tobin did it a disservice when he wrote to support the Armenian claim of genocide (A Matter of Opinion: "Choosing Allies Over Principles," April 26). During World War I, the nationalist Armenian movement was egged on by Czarist Russia to revolt against the Turks. This was designed to protect the flank of the Russian Empire from an attack by Germany's ally Turkey. The Armenians obliged and unleashed an unprecedented terrorist campaign against ethnic Turks that resulted in the deaths of tens of thousands of civilians. The Ottoman Turks ordered the Armenians ousted from the affected areas. In the process, many were killed by the Kurdish gangs, many died of infections and starvation -- although it should be stated that Turks were dying like flies as well, and from the same causes. But there was no genocide, because of the lack of intent or organized action on the part of the Turkish government to exterminate Armenians as such. The "ethnic cleansing" was limited to Eastern Anatolia. No Armenian in Istanbul was expelled or harmed. The Armenians want to preserve the status of victims, not unlike the Palestinians. For years, Armenian terrorists killed Turks all over Europe, sent letter bombs, and set explosives in Turkish cultural centers. Ariel Barkan, M.D. Ann Arbor, Mich. ) from this site http://www.jewishexponent.com/article/13003/ THis is outrageous and cannot be ignore. THis is the problem. IMagine if an Armenian posts like this about Jews, he has many problems. How does he dare Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
artusian Posted January 4, 2008 Author Report Share Posted January 4, 2008 The two are connected. If a given person regardless of his background makes ignorant remark about a historic event/crime/tragedy, etc.. you can pass this as ignorance and say, oh well....it doesn't matter. In the case of Jewish negations, there is something more than that. It is their fake superiority and hatred to anything that is not Jewish that governs such mental and psychopath attitude, which I find quite dangerous for the normal human beings. There are radicals from hsi side who are like that. You are right Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
artusian Posted January 4, 2008 Author Report Share Posted January 4, 2008 Jewish person denied the genocide, whats so surprising here? Remember that their leading NGO's do the same. One of them actually called to Turkey and apologized that he was forced to recognize it. It hurts them when someone takes that uniqueness(holocaust) away from them. And no not all of them are this way, but a lot of them just don't care about Armenians. Giving this guy a fraction of importance will only undermine our cause. A lot of people in the world know about Armenian Genocide in part thanks to Turkeys billion dollar campaign to deny it. Avo, you are right. The problem and question is that we need to be aware of the people like him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoComment Posted January 4, 2008 Report Share Posted January 4, 2008 (edited) Artusian, once again you miss the point you said and I quote IMagine if an Armenian posts like this about Jews ... I don´t have to imagine, I just have to read here som topics, as Gamavor´s Actually, my take on such sophisticated people like this Jew doctor is simple. There WAS NEVER EVER JEWEISH HOLOHOAX! NEVER! IT IS ALL JEWISH PROPAGANDA TO JUSTIFY THEIR OCCUPITION OF ARAB LANDS. The Jews betrayed the third Reich and made alliance with their ideological brothers in Russia – the Bolsheviks. Naturally, they were relocated from the war zone in order to prevent their collaboration with the Red Army. I will not even comment on some minor technical issues – such as burning 2 million people through one single chimney. It is all BS…. The best proof that there was never a Jewish shoah is the attitude of the Jews and Israel. There is no way that people who suffered from such atrocities would hesitate to voice their support or concern for those that undergo through genocide. How come, people who have never in their history experienced such horrible things are supportive of the victims, but the so portrayed ARCH-VICTIMS (i.e. the Jews) are silent if not outright denialist. and sorry, I don´t buy this crap from a so called doctor or the so called Gamavor, thanks God they are both NOTHING and doesn´t represant us have a nice day bro Edited January 4, 2008 by NoComment Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gamavor Posted January 4, 2008 Report Share Posted January 4, 2008 and sorry, I don´t buy this crap from a so called doctor or the so called Gamavor, thanks God they are both NOTHING and doesn´t represant us This statement is 75% correct! I am far from representing anybody else except myself. As to the Jew doctor - he is a TYPICAL representative of his faith and race. If you want me to, I can go ahead and make a long post with all Jewish actions against Armenian cause (esp. in USA), starting from the 30's of the last century and going through Judeo-Turkish academic chairs in USA, who outright deny the very existence of the murder of the Armenian nation at the hands of the Turkish government in 1915. Even then, you would still not believe it because the Jewish propaganda so much brainwashed you that your psych simply cannot comprehend such malicious attitude on the part of the holy Jews. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ashot Posted January 5, 2008 Report Share Posted January 5, 2008 ok let's ju get couple of things clear in here - JEW - is it a race or religion... someone please do tell me! then I will continue with my tought! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Takoush Posted January 5, 2008 Report Share Posted January 5, 2008 Ashot He is an Israeli Jew as he says himself. His name is real so his medical information and job. The question is what this man is doing. This is very dangerous that a man in that position spreads such hate. As a medical doctor/medic he should love people and respect them. One wonder what he does to his Armenian patients. It is outrageous. He has a dog in the fight. The question is why and what? Read his hateful message, this is unbearavle. Artusian Dear Artusian, I am not at all surprised if he is a Jew. I once went to a specialist Jewish doctor and when he found out from my name that I'm Armenian and in-front of my daughter, he said to me out of a blue; "so now what do you want to do, save your Armenia and your Armenians????" On stack of Bible that's what he said to me. And he is supposed to be a very high class reputable Jewish well known doctor. You know what I think? I think that most jews are supporting the turks or the furks in this case; because they're afraid that when the Genocide is accepted finally by most world powers, the truth will come out that the Ittihadists were Doenme Jews. I think that this frightens them and also they want to monopolize incessantly talking about their Haulocaust and continuously having the world feel sorry for them and only them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Takoush Posted January 5, 2008 Report Share Posted January 5, 2008 NoComment, in case you do not know the only obstacle worldwide for recognition of the Armenian genocide are the freaking Jews and I'm sick and tiered to listen here and there of some concerned Jew who would think otherwise. I am also sick and tired to listen to false excuses about why Israel and the Jews are not that much "supportive" of Armenian "claims" because of their good relations with the Turks. I understand their friendly relations are beyond the water issues in the Middle East. Simply, there is a blood bond, far more valuable than some superficial politics of the day. Here, watch this! As they say a picture (or two) worth 10000000 words. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ov5NRcTTyL4 Oh my God!!! That Rafik Bey and Djevik Bey look EXACTLY like JEWS. Their eyes are non-other but Jewish eyes. Very small and I know a jewish face and eyes when I see one!!!! It's very very clear to me now. Only my poor father and grandfather died without knowing who really were behind the turks. The jewish Ittihadists. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vava Posted January 5, 2008 Report Share Posted January 5, 2008 (edited) jew this, jew that.... gimme a break don't you people get tired of rehashing all this sh!t? Edited January 5, 2008 by vava Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ashot Posted January 5, 2008 Report Share Posted January 5, 2008 vava jan, welcome!!! vontses eh? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vava Posted January 5, 2008 Report Share Posted January 5, 2008 vava jan, welcome!!! vontses eh? hoknats.... it,s 2:30 am here, and I have to read this "j" conspiracy garbage again... puts me in a foul mood. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoComment Posted January 5, 2008 Report Share Posted January 5, 2008 yeah, I see the level of some in this forum, do you want to know what my jewish doctor in philosophy says about the armenian genocide, watch please and read carefuly if you only can before you return to your antisemitism may Jesus forgive you, may our Martyrs forgive this crap coming from this f.. new generation of young armenian people baring a christian cross, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vava Posted January 5, 2008 Report Share Posted January 5, 2008 yeah, I see the level of some in this forum, do you want to know what my jewish doctor in philosophy says about the armenian genocide, watch please and read carefuly if you only can before you return to your antisemitism may Jesus forgive you, may our Martyrs forgive this crap coming from this f.. new generation of young armenian people baring a christian cross, Nice presentation - do you know when this took place? He's a very eloquent speaker.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ashot Posted January 5, 2008 Report Share Posted January 5, 2008 No comment jan, we don't need to get all mad about this, after all everyone is posting their own opinion, let's agree on one thing, that a miserable Israeli Jew has no say in this, therefore he should be ignored and left out of the conversation, let him go to France and repeat his words if he is a man of his words!!! we have far more work to do then go after one idiot that knows nothing of this world... besides as I asked and I am asking again - is being a jew a race or religion? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Takoush Posted January 5, 2008 Report Share Posted January 5, 2008 Artusian, your links only confirm that he is a doctor, absolutely nothing else sorry and thank you Gamavor, your video is suck, the conspiracy theory doesn´t work you may forgot that 2 centuries before the genocide jews were evicted from the ottoman empire whereas rich armenians (the amiras) where ruling turkey behind the sultans (+ the mother of Abdullah Hamid was armenian) + dashnag party help the Young Turks to take power ..... does it make us responsible ??? There´s a major difference between the denial of the thruth and not supporting it. The disgusting behavior of the jews is to condemn, as our disguting behavior (not supporting in a larger scale the other christians who also were exterminated during the genocide... ) No Comment, I don't see why you mention that Tashnagtsoutyoun supported the Ittihadists? First off someone else has mentioned before in here that Krikor Zohrab was chummy with Talaat. Zohrab was an eloquent speaker and a government official who was himself greatly betrayed and killed by the bastard Jewish Doenme Ittihadists. If at all Tashnagtsoutyoun supported in a minimal amount to the then Ittihadists it is because such as Zohrab -they the Tashnagtsoutyoun- didn't know what the hell the Ittihadists had it up their sleeves and were about to do? Tashnagtsoutyoun were obviously happy that the then Ittihadists pushed the red Sultan out and promised to make turkey to become better, a more forward country and Europeanised. Tashnagtsagans didn't know the Ittihadists' intentions. Tashnagtsoutyoun obviously thought that the Ittihadists were going to make life and matters better for us Armenians; why else would they have any faith in them? I know Tashnagtsoutyoun and I know that in complete unity and entity their heart was and still is solely for the Greater Armenia to have and behold her freedom and the prosperity for each and every living Armenian. That's where their heart stands is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ashot Posted January 5, 2008 Report Share Posted January 5, 2008 No Comment, I don't see why you mention that Tashnagtsoutyoun supported the Ittihadists? First off someone else has mentioned before in here that Krikor Zohrab was chummy with Talaat. Zohrab was an eloquent speaker and a government official who was himself greatly betrayed and killed by the bastard Jewish Doenme Ittihadists. If at all Tashnagtsoutyoun supported in a minimal amount to the then Ittihadists it is because such as Zohrab -they the Tashnagtsoutyoun- didn't know what the hell the Ittihadists had it up their sleeves and were about to do? Tashnagtsoutyoun were obviously happy that the then Ittihadists pushed the red Sultan out and promised to make turkey to become better, a more forward country and Europeanised. Tashnagtsagans didn't know the Ittihadists' intentions. Tashnagtsoutyoun obviously thought that the Ittihadists were going to make life and matters better for us Armenians; why else would they have any faith in them? I know Tashnagtsoutyoun and I know that in complete unity and entity their heart was and still is solely for the Greater Armenia to have and behold her freedom and the prosperity for each and every living Armenian. That's where their heart stands is. I would have to partially disagree with you! you might be able to say "most" or "some" but not all dashnaks... Been there seen it all, maybe not in armenia but in diaspora... nothing in the world would unite them with the rest tell me why? why can't unite with all the other armenians, and carry out the simple message to the world in unity? why do we have to be separated, dashnaks and others, why? is that solely for the greater Armenia to have and behold her freedom and the prosperity for each and every living ARMENIAN too? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Takoush Posted January 5, 2008 Report Share Posted January 5, 2008 No comment jan, we don't need to get all mad about this, after all everyone is posting their own opinion, let's agree on one thing, that a miserable Israeli Jew has no say in this, therefore he should be ignored and left out of the conversation, let him go to France and repeat his words if he is a man of his words!!! we have far more work to do then go after one idiot that knows nothing of this world... besides as I asked and I am asking again - is being a jew a race or religion? Ashot, they say it is religion but I believe that it is both. They are just saying that. How can it be only a religion when a nationality have existed and does for centuries old? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AK-47 Posted January 5, 2008 Report Share Posted January 5, 2008 besides as I asked and I am asking again - is being a jew a race or religion? Jew is more commonly used to refer to religion but is increasingly being use interchangeably. For example, when you ask someone these days what ethnic backroudn they have, don't be surprised to hear "im jewish" even though judaism is a religion. To bring even more confusion, the term "Israeli" exists now too, which jews use as well but less frequently. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ashot Posted January 5, 2008 Report Share Posted January 5, 2008 Ashot, they say it is religion but I believe that it is both. They are just saying that. How can it be only a religion when a nationality have existed and does for centuries old? ok lets put it this way, nowadays it is known to be religion I don't know about back then... If a Jew is a religion, then you cannot say jews are against AG, because we have Armenian jews, Russian jews, American jews, Hispanic jews, etc... everyone of them represents their own country, whatever they claim, therefore we cannot argue that jews are against AG, we can argue that American Jews are, Israeli Jews are - but defenitely not the French jews, and the Russian jews... So if we shall argue on a topic lets keep it striclty between races not religions, you can't say muslims deny AG because turkey denies it, Iran accepts its right!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Takoush Posted January 5, 2008 Report Share Posted January 5, 2008 I would have to partially disagree with you! you might be able to say "most" or "some" but not all dashnaks... Been there seen it all, maybe not in armenia but in diaspora... nothing in the world would unite them with the rest tell me why? why can't unite with all the other armenians, and carry out the simple message to the world in unity? why do we have to be separated, dashnaks and others, why? is that solely for the greater Armenia to have and behold her freedom and the prosperity for each and every living ARMENIAN too? I am a true Tashnagtsagan and I am for unity of all Armenians. For the simple reason that our heart beats with Armenia and Armenians. To me every Armenian with a concience and love for his/her countrymen has scruples and is a true Armenian Tashnagtsagan or otherwise. Personally, I go along with most of the messages that the Party conveyes as they see things in the right perspective (again, for the good of our land, our existence, and our people). This I believe in. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ashot Posted January 5, 2008 Report Share Posted January 5, 2008 I am a true Tashnagtsagan and I am for unity of all Armenians. For the simple reason that our heart beats with Armenia and Armenians. To me every Armenian with a concience and love for his/her countrymen has scruples and is a true Armenian Tashnagtsagan or otherwise. Personally, I go along with most of the messages that the Party conveyes as they see things in the right perspective (again, for the good of our land, our existence, and our people). This I believe in. I beleive in you too Anahid jan, but I won't be able to say that they stand for Unity unless I see it with my own eyes, I have never seen proposals from them to unite, they are big - a lot of dashnaks, what I need to see is MIUTSYU, I want every single Armenian to be holding hands and screaming as quietly as they can, so that people would come closer to hear what we said, so they can ask us again what we screamed, not yell it out so hard that they would run away from the noise... we must remember something, the fastest way to get a message accross is the quite way!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Takoush Posted January 5, 2008 Report Share Posted January 5, 2008 ok lets put it this way, nowadays it is known to be religion I don't know about back then... If a Jew is a religion, then you cannot say jews are against AG, because we have Armenian jews, Russian jews, American jews, Hispanic jews, etc... everyone of them represents their own country, whatever they claim, therefore we cannot argue that jews are against AG, we can argue that American Jews are, Israeli Jews are - but defenitely not the French jews, and the Russian jews... So if we shall argue on a topic lets keep it striclty between races not religions, you can't say muslims deny AG because turkey denies it, Iran accepts its right!!! I agree with that. Ok lets. Let us say that Israelites and American Jews who go by what Israel directs them to do deny the AG. By the way, I don't say that Jewish is solely a religion. It is a nationality and their religion is following their Judeism. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ashot Posted January 5, 2008 Report Share Posted January 5, 2008 Jew is more commonly used to refer to religion but is increasingly being use interchangeably. For example, when you ask someone these days what ethnic backroudn they have, don't be surprised to hear "im jewish" even though judaism is a religion. To bring even more confusion, the term "Israeli" exists now too, which jews use as well but less frequently. I am a storng supporter of this fact, Anahid jan, in my lifetime there is no such a thing as a jewish nationality... where is their nation, what is their history, do they have one? the Genocides of the 20th century have been religious attacks to exterminate Jews and on the other hand christians... that's where the world war broke out, war of the religions!!! might be a prophecy but very close to the truth!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoComment Posted January 5, 2008 Report Share Posted January 5, 2008 (edited) Ava, this meeting took place January 17th 2007 in the "Palais de la Mutualité" Ashot, I totally agree with you, except that this kind of arguments developped by our own people can only damage our struggle (when they signed with our name ....), 10 years ago it was only neo-nazist who came with such revisionism and the skills of caricaturing people of a defined group. Anahit, as Arturian you miss once again the point, by the way, in the meeting with my jewish doctor in philosophy (you know the ones with this "jewish face and eyes" as you quoted) the dashnag parti of Europe was highly represented Pari Chapatavertch Polorit Edited January 5, 2008 by NoComment Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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