An Outrageous Denial Of Armenian Genocide

[Hellektor]

Hell jan, when you post it let us know of the link please!

Are you talking about the link to this news? Here it is.

 

If you are talking about the post, I'll post it here. It's really late in this part of the world and I'm going to get some sleep, night, night!

 

[DominO123]

"Wednesday, 16 January 2008, by J.E. Bottonian

 

 

J.E.BOTTONIAN, M.D

 

1503 Langhorne Road

 

Lynchburg 24503 style VA, 434-384 8169 jebottonian@aol.com

 

Honorable Congresswoman Jo Ann Davis

 

Washington, DC Office 1123 Longworth House Office Building Washington, DC 20515

 

Dear Congresswoman Davis,

 

I am writing you this urgent letter to prevent if at all possible a tragic error in the upcoming vote on H.Res.XYZ, "Affirmation of the United States Record on the Holocaust Resolution."

 

Allow me to introduce my self: I am a retired neurosurgeon having practiced in California 1981 to 2004. I became a US citizen in 1963. I was born in Berlin, Germany in 1949 as an Armenian citizen. I grew up in an environment which included citizens of English, French, Jewish backgrounds and enjoying a friendly harmony. I graduated from the elite Emil Molt Waldorf High School with honors before obtaining my medical degree in Geneva, Switzerland in 1975. I later received my neurosurgical training at the Medical College of Virginia in Richmond before moving to Lynchburg.

 

During my years in Berlin the difficulties experienced by all around WW II were well known with Germany struggling for its survival in a war against the major world powers in an unfortunate alliance with Austria. During the same years the Jewish citizens encouraged by the Soviets, England and France organized revolutionary groups - under a Zionist-Bolshevic alliance- and undertook what should be termed as a civil war against the Third Reich thru the Ghettos with the hopes of establishing Bolshevism extending into a large part of the German territories in the East, which they succeeded up until the Berlin wall was destroyed. United Kingdom, desperate to engage the USA under a very religious President Franklin D. Roosevelt propagated thru an intensive process of disinformation the presumed facts that the Jews were being transported in concentration camps and killed in the process by NAZI Germany. There were tragic killings on both sides either by military activities but also from diseases and starvation both in the ghettos and the camps. Later on the word genocide was applied by Jews when one of them applied the term with an ever increasing number of deaths mentioned from year to year, well above the original Jewish population then in existence in the NAZI controlled territories. No mention of the close to seven million German deaths resulting from this civil war as well WW II. Jews had been well treated in Germany along with other minorities, serving in various professions as well as in Government. Jews were in the latter capacity during those same years. In not a too distant past the Jewish terrorist groups (like the Gush Emunim Underground) have also managed to kill dozens of Arabs and their families.

 

My mother remembered the fire of the German Reichstag in Berlin by Marinus Van De Lubbe a communist and Zionist Jew resulting in riots and counter actions by the State or ordinary citizens. Armenians were and still are grateful for their rescue by Rosenberg from the camps and WW 1 by the Germans from the Turkish killing fields in Istanbul. Along with the Turks, Jewish Ittihadists ordered the elimination of the Armenians.

 

Unfortunately Germany has been too apathetic towards the accusations filled with increasing hatred and what I would call the Greatest Lie of the 20th century propagated by a rich Jewish lobby in Europe and the US. Only in recent years a better educated and aware German generation has begun to try to counteract these lies and to some extent attempt to improve the bad press Germany has suffered as a result of these allegations which expect the recognition of this so-called genocide, to be followed by monetaryand back to the Berlin wall.

 

For most of its existence since the fall of the Berlin wall has been a staunch friend of the US, as a member of EU.

 

I do not think the passage of HR XYZ would be in the US interests in many ways, in today’s political situation in the Middle East and elsewhere but even more importantly the moral loss for the US by abiding to long standing misinformation. These allegations have NEVER been brought to a judicial venue such as the International Court, the Nure,berg was an allied run kangaroo court. This was refused by the Jews as being according to them a self evident fact. I resent the attempts to compare these terrible events in the early 20th century to the Armenia Genocide: Armenians were killed systematically just for being Armenians and certainly not for treason, terrorism or attempt to Bolshevise.

 

Forgive me for this lengthy letter. I hope you will consider it and vote against HR XYZ.

 

Respectfully,

 

Dr J.E.Bottonian, FACS

 

Republican - VAMember of the Foreign Affairs Committee

 

Turquie News, Wednesday 16 January 2008"

 

 

 

Another scum of the same caliber:

 

"Wednesday, 16 January 2008, by J.E. Botton

 

 

J.E.BOTTON, M.D

 

1503 Langhorne Road

 

Lynchburg 24503 style VA, 434-384 8169 jebotton@aol.com

 

Honorable Congresswoman Jo Ann Davis

 

Washington, DC Office 1123 Longworth House Office Building Washington, DC 20515

 

Dear Congresswoman Davis,

 

I am writing you this urgent letter to prevent if at all possible a tragic error in the upcoming vote on H.Res.106, "Affirmation of the United States Record on the Armenian Genocide Resolution."

 

Allow me to introduce my self: I am a retired neurosurgeon having practiced in Lynchburg, VA from 1961 to 1994. I became a US citizen in 1963. I was born in Istanbul, Turkey in 1929 as a Jewish citizen. I grew up in an environment which included citizens of Greek, Armenian, Jewish and Moslem backgrounds and enjoying a friendly harmony. I graduated from the elite Galatasaray High School with honors before obtaining my medical degree in Geneva, Switzerland in 1955. I later received my neurosurgical training at the Medical College of Virginia in Richmond before moving to Lynchburg.

 

During my years in Istanbul the difficulties experienced by all around WW I were well known with Turkey struggling for its survival in a war against the major world powers in an unfortunate alliance with Germany. During the same years the Armenian citizens encouraged by Russia, England and France organized revolutionary groups - Hunchak, Tashnak..- undertook what should be termed as a civil war against the Ottoman Empire with the hopes of establishing an Armenian state extending into a large part of the Turkish territories in the East. England, desperate to engage the USA under a very religious President Woodrow Wilson propagated thru an intensive process of disinformation the presumed facts that the Christian Armenians were being exiled south from the border against Russia and being killed in the process by the Moslem State.. There were tragic killings on both sides either by military activities but also from diseases and starvation. Later on the word genocide was applied by Armenians particularly in their Diaspora in Europe and in the US with an ever increasing number of deaths mentioned from year to year, well above the original Armenian population then in existence. No mention of the close to three million Moslem deaths resulting from this civil war as well WW I. Armenians had been well treated in the Ottoman Empire along with Greeks and Jews, serving in various professions as well as in Government. Armenians were in the latter capacity during those same years.. In not a too distant past the Arnenian terrorist group ASALA has also managed to kill dozens of Turkish Diplomats and their families in the US and in Europe.

 

My mother remembered the bombing of the Ottoman Bank in Istanbul by Armenian terrorists resulting in riots and counter actions by the State or ordinary citizens. Jews were and still are grateful for their rescue by Sultan Bayazit from the Spanish Inquisition late in the 15th Century and later during WW 2 by the Turkish Republic from the German killing fields across Europe. Along with the Nazis a volunteer Armenian group helped the transportation of Jews to the concentration camps..

 

Unfortunately Turkey has been too apathetic towards the accusations filled with increasing hatred and what I would call the Greatest Lie of the 20th century propagated by a rich Armenian lobby in Europe and the US. Only in recent years a better educated and aware Turkish generation has begun to try to counteract these lies and to some extent attempt to improve the bad press Turkey has suffered as a result of these allegations which expect the recognition of this so-called genocide, to be followed by monetary and territorial demands..

 

For most of its existence since 1923 the Turkish Republic has been a staunch friend of the US, as a member of NATO, during the Korean War, recently in the events in the Balkans and Afghanistan while allowing bases to the US in its territory. It was the first Moslem state to recognize Israel in 1949 with which it has been a very reliable ally.

 

I do not think the passage of HR 106 would be in the US interests in many ways, in today’s political situation in the Middle East and elsewhere but even more importantly the moral loss for the US by abiding to long standing misinformation. These allegations have NEVER been brought to a judicial venue such as the International Court. This was refused by the Armenians as being according to them a self evident fact.. I resent the attempts to compare these terrible events in the early 20th century to the Holocaust: Jews were killed systematically just for being Jews and certainly not for treason, terrorism or territorial demands.

 

Forgive me for this lengthy letter. I hope you will consider it and vote against HR 106.

 

Respectfully,

 

Dr J.E.Botton, FACS

 

Republican - VAMember of the Foreign Affairs Committee

 

Turquie News, Wednesday 16 January 2008"

Edited January 21, 2008 by DominO

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not bad Dom!!!

[DominO123]

And that's your Turkey.

 

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From 300,000 to 500,000 Armenians served in the Soviet Union, their brigades were the first to enter Berlin, among the first to liberate Auschwitz. Armenians had key roles in the French resistance, Manouchian and l'affiche rouge are pretty well known. A Soviet thank, “Sassountzi David” was entirely financed by the Diasporan Armenians, and was used attacking German troops. The 18,000 Armenians in German army, were mostly prisoners of war, from whom 11,000 were field battalions and 7,000 in supply. The official Dashnak position was AGAINST Germany, and its headquarters in Cairo was staunchly pro-British. Beside that, Hitler was not interested to have Armenians and Georgians in his army, because he was not convinced of their royalty. Those that served were sent to the Netherlands where most deserted.(See: “German Rule in Russia 1941-1945” by Alexander Dallin)

 

Now, let compare that with Turkey. In May 10, 1934, student associations were distributing Swastikas at university levels. Later, German officials in the guise of assistant professors, accompanied their colleagues in the Tukish army, with the purposes of making the promotion of Nazism( Dr. Ayhan Aktar, Varlik Vergisi ve 'Türklestirme' Politikalari. (The Capital Tax and and the politics of turquification), Iletisim Publishers, Istanbul, 2000)

 

Later an agreement between NAZI Germany and Turkey was made preventing Jewish immigration to Turkey. On December 15, 1941, the ship named “Struma” with 761 Jewish passengers escaping the NAZI invasion arrives in Istanbul and asks for the authorization to cross the Bosphorus. The ship had to wait until February 24, 1942, over a month of negotiations between the allies and Turkey, requesting Turkey to permit the passage, Turkey denied access. They haven't even fed the passengers, who were dying of famine, the Ship had to return, where it was torpedoed by a submarine. One survivor. One day after, people would have expected the prime minister to apologies, but no, the then prime minister Refik Saydam, happy to respect their agreement with Germany declared: “Turkey cannot be the destination of undesirable refugees” While in 1942 NAZI Germany takes the decision to destroy the Jews, on November 11 of the same year, Turkey come up with the Capital tax against the Jews, Armenians and Greeks, and even propositions are made of their deportation, the capital tax was justified with this remark: “Against those who profit from the hospitality offered by this country and become wealthy, while at the same time abrogate their responsibilities at this critical moment, the law will be applied with full force”. Turkey had even plans to join Germany to invade SSR Armenia, when Germany was to take Stalingrad. A report was make regarding the Jews, Armenians and Greeks. For the Greeks, it was written among many other things: “On the 500th anniversary of the conquest of Istanbul by the Ottoman forces, not one Greek should be left in the city.” About the Armenians: “Armenians are not assimilable and those who survive must be encouraged to depart (emigrate).” And for the Jews: “Stop all Jewish immigration, while provoking incidents within the country with the goal of creating a Jewish exodus, keep them away from all government activity, be it financial or economic” (source: Ridvan Akar, Askale Yolculari—Varlik Vergisi ve Çalisma Kamplari (Passengers to Askale—Capitial Tax and forced labour camps), Belge Uluslararasi Yayincilik, Istanbul, 1999) In 1948, 40,000 Turkish Jews living in Istanbul have run away in Israel. Embarrassed and exposed, Turkey was the first Muslim state to recognize Israel and thought that it would be some sort of way to apologize.

 

At the outbreak of the war, Turkey mined 190,000 tons of chromite, 1/5 of the world total output. (See: Turkish Foreign Policy 1943-1945: Small State Diplomacy and Great Power Politics by Edward Weisband) Those were the result of agreements between Germany and Turkey, Turkey becoming the major German supplier, of this essential material for the military. Turkey later signed another contract with Germany to provide 135,000 tones, regardless of the allies pressures to stop. The German minister of armaments and munitions declared that chromium was the element with the shortest supply, and was indispensable to a highly developed armaments industry. Turkey permitted the German armament developments, ignoring the continuous allied requests. As the German Minister for Armaments and Munitions Albert Speer confirmed when he wrote in his memoirs: "Hence the element in shortest supply is chromium. This is especially grave since chromium is indispensable to a highly developed armaments industry. Should supplies from Turkey be cut off, the stockpile of chromium is sufficient only for 5.6 months. The manufacture of planes, tanks, motor vehicles, tank shells, U-boats, and almost the entire gamut of artillery would have to cease from one to three months after this deadline, since by then the reserves in the distributions channels would be used up." He then declared that if it wasn't of Turkish supply: "no more or less than that the war would be over approximately ten months after the loss of the Balkans." (Albert Speer, Inside the Third Reich: Memoirs, translated by Richard and Clara Winston (New York and Toronto, 1970)). In short without Turkeys help, the war would have not continued more than months. I could continue and discuss regarding the “Missing Jews” or the missing gold bars looted by NAZI Germany and transferred to Turkey.

[elle]

They make me sick!

Can't believe that Armenians aren't mobilizing our diaspora against these pigs.

They're so treacherous!

[elle]

I came across this website and seems like the Iranians are also having some problems with the "Turkish/Azeri" false propogandas and claims about how much of the region is "their" land!

Seems like these Azeris/Turks are not right in their heads at all. They're all living in an illusionary world!

 

http://www.freepowerboards.com/iranianforu...-post-2449.html

 

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I came across this website and seems like the Iranians are also having some problems with the "Turkish/Azeri" false propogandas and claims about how much of the region is "their" land!

Seems like these Azeris/Turks are not right in their heads at all. They're all living in an illusionary world!

 

http://www.freepowerboards.com/iranianforu...-post-2449.html

 

Elle jan, from what I know Furkish and Azerbadrjanis are always in denial of something! Kurds, Iran, Iraq, Armenia, Georgia - we all have problems with them, as well as their very well known massacres, not only to Armenians!!! So don't be surprised, the biggest conflict they are facing right now is Armenians demanding lands back - meaning pushing the Kurds towards the other side of the Turkey, and perhaps another war will break down but this time between the Kurds and the Turks, which might lead Azerbadrjanis to start pressuring us from this side, eventually there will be a Furkey the size of the current NK, there won't be Azerbadrjan as Armenia will expand into it and once again become Tsovits Tsov Hayastan, and our happy neighboring will not include Furky as the Kurdistan might get a piece of land and finally become a country!!!

 

wow what a nice vision, I wish it were like that though!!!

I couldn't resist myself of writing the day dream I just had!!!

[elle]

I'm pretty sure there will be Kurdistan and it will hapen during our lifetime!

I would definitely prefer having Kurdish neighbors, rather than Turkish!

I wonder what Azerbaijan will do then!

The problem is that the Kurds are eyeing the Armenian historic lands as "Kurdistan", so what will happen then? You should see the size of Kurdistan they claim is actually Kurdistan. It cuts Turkey almost in half and ends at the Armenia's western border...meaning that they consider all of the historic Armenia as theirs!

BUT the creation of Kurdistan and the attck of Azerbaijan on Armenia should be a reason for us to take back Naxichevan! It's very strategically located in terms of cutting Turkish/Azeri 1 millimeter border that exists today!

Once that's complete then Azeris are screwed. I have a feeling that some interesting things might come out of the future Iran-USA war in terms of geopolitics in the region. Seems like Israel wants to see a creation of Kurdistan, which will be to their advantage of course! I have a feeling that with the recognition of the AG in Washington last year, the Jews/Israelis were trying to piss off the Turks in order have Turkey intentionally attack northern Iraq's Kurdish population. I'm pretty sure that the 106 HR wouldn't have been voted the way it did, if Jews categorically opposed it. Perhaps Israel sees having Kurdistan as an advantage to its national security today, so it's playing its geopolitical card games differently now...perhaps without Turkey's knowledge...meaning without being too obvious about its intentions since the Jews are good at manipulating and working from the "underground" for their ends.

 

How much I hope that in the near future Turkey won't be as useful to the US-Israeli alliance as it is now.

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well that said I will add some more to it... starting from 1920 trough the 1030 when the Kurdish rebellions started having strong effects, there was none but Armenia to support them. Now Armenia is not that stupid to do it for the pretty Kurdish eyes, there is a catch in it - Lake Van, Van, and Ararat, and perhaps Erzerum and Batum which might give us the advantage of being able to have access to the Black Sea. The help of Armenians in return of the land will result of Kurds occupying more land in Turkey going towards Ankara!!!

[elle]

What kind of "help" do you have in mind though? As I understand you mean a military confrontation on the side of the Kurds? Not sure if Armenia will be willing to do that out in teh open....unless it's done secretly. But having Kurdistan as our neighbor will mean less threat...if no threat at all from the Turks. In case of the Azeris...I'm sure Armenia will be able to handle them. I think that with Russia's help Armenia cna definitely get back some (not all) of historical Armenia once the Kurdish state is established. Perhaps Armenia-Russia alliance could make a deal with the Kurds...after all the only ally Russia has in the Caucasus today is Armenia, so it will only make sense that the Russians would want a bigger Armenia to have influence over, since it has completely lost Georgia, somewhat of Azerbaijan, and number of other post-Soviet countries. The way the Anglo-American alliance has surrounded Russia from almost all the sides, whether it's through the EU, NATO or the "War on Terrorism" BS..... will only make sense that Russia would want to hang on to anything that's left that's not pro-West, including persuing other means of control....in this case the expansion of Armenian territories. This way.....if Russia support the kurds, then there's a good cahnce that Kurdistan might eventually fall under the Russian sphere of influence, which is again a win-win situation for all. BUT...the US-Israel might "buy" Kurdistan themselves, so the Russian influence might not even apply to Kurdistan. Nonetheless, I'm glad to hear about the political chaos that keeps taking place in Georgia and the EU-NATO expansion of the former Soviet countries in the Eastern Europe and Georgia because this only makes the Armenian position stronger and if there's any attack on Armenia, then I highly doubt that russia will simply turn its back on Armenie...first of all, because Armenia-Russia have signed treaties on military alliance....second of all, why would Russia want to loose the only thing it has left in the south-Caucasus when it ahs lost so much of its former areas already!

 

For those of you who speak Russian please check out this video...I find it funny!

 

 

Sorry for the grammar mistakes, but it's too late, I'm dead tired and it's time for bed!

 

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You already might be asleep but here it goes, have you heard the latest news that Georgia has given up anything that has to do with the Russians, including the weapons it is using now? Russia has completely taken it's bases and artillery and weapons all to Armenia, soon it is going to demand expansion of Armenia whether anyone likes it or not! Very soon the world map is going to change drastically, I know that!!!

[Hellektor]

Concerning J.E. Botton and all similar dregs residing in the bottom of the sewer

 

First off, I want to clear up a couple of things:

 

I. We get the most disgusting smear vomit from Jews all the time crossing every limit of decency, violating every Armenian sanctity and not minding to probe into any forbidden area believed, at least by the Armenians, as an absolute boundary as far as these two groups are concerned. As soon as an Armenian feels deeply insulted and mentions the J word, other Armenians don’t hesitate to rebuke them the way they would their enemy.

 

Call it the abuse of the “freedom” of speech, call it unnecessary anger, I don’t care. Taboos must be broken; Jews hiding behind all sorts of “humanitarian” or “non-political” organizations are doing everything to force the Armenians to cede the liberated lands to Turks so that the destruction of Armenia started a long time ago will achieve its aim. All this Jew driven smear campaign, from the insignificant Khojaly incident scam to the vulgarization of the memory of the victims of the Armenian Genocide serves this very purpose. Because after all, the whole thing is about territory, and pan-Turkism, largely invented by Jews like Leon Cahun, Arminius Vambery and Moïse Cohen, has this for its ultimate goal. Not for nothing this very swine whimpers “…these allegations which expect the recognition of this so-called genocide, [are] to be followed by monetary and territorial demands”

 

II. While I have my doubts of this bottom for muzzle Botton character being Jewish, given the dubious source and the fact that this allegedly highly educated doctor has lived for almost 47 years in the US, notwithstanding, I will have my say because of one very crucial point that keeps popping up in this sort of reviling stone throwing: namely the “Armenians collaborated with Nazis” fallacy.

 

This point came up in the deceptively “pro-Armenian” Article From the Mountains of Ararat By James R. Russell, posted by Arpa on this very thread. I don’t know how many of you guys read it, but I did. Although Arpa kindly asks us to “ignore what he says about Dashnak-Mashnak” the whole thing is nothing but a tirade of Dashnak bashing and some empty words serving as garniture to disguise the main course which is a thick lump of stinking kosher turd.

 

This admittedly Zionist scholar who has “devoted a lifetime to studying the culture of Armenia”, has the nerve to state, “in 1918, the first independent Armenian state in half a millennium was proclaimed at the capital, Erevan” “forgetting” to mention how this was done and who was the main force behind the superhuman effort accomplished by “mad men”. It is unlikely that someone pretending to have devoted a lifetime to studying the culture of Armenia has never heard the names of Aram Manoukian, Rostom or Dro.

 

He has the impudence to accuse the Dashnaks, thousands of who fought and died for their people, of being “Hitler's wartime buddies” “forgetting” Abdulhamid’s dearest buddy, the Turkophile Jew Arminius Vambery, who dismissed every cry for justice from enslaved peoples of the Ottoman Tyranny as Russian agitation, making him the inventor of Armenians act to orders from Russians, the very pretext of the genocidal savages to exterminate the Armenians.

 

Spreading his anti-Armenian poison, it was this Jew Vambery who fooled the British Foreign Office into believing that “the creation of an Armenian province [was] a sinful attack against the vital interests of England”, influencing greatly the antipathetic stance of the British towards the Armenians that goes on until today, still fearing any expansion of Armenia as the encroachment of pro-British territory by Russia.

 

It was this same Jew Vambery who introduced Theodor Hertzl to the sultan offering him to get rid of the Armenian question if he agreed to give them Palestine...

 

While Turks smear the Armenians with every possible fabrication and projection of their own vices, as far as this Nazi collaboration crap, a Jew should shut the hell up or at least give it a second thought before regurgitating this filth.

 

About 600,000 Armenians from the Armenian SSR took part in WWII, not to mention the 20,000 recruits in the US and the Armenian partisans in Europe, probably more than the total of Jews who died in WWII; The Armenians fought a war that wasn’t even theirs. About half of the Armenians from the USSR perished in the war.

 

What were the brave Turks doing in the meantime? Turkey was dealing with Hitler, signing a treaty of friendship with Nazi Germany in June, 1941 just before the invasion of the USSR. Soon after the invasion in June 1941, The “Azeri” pan-Turkist Rasulzadeh hurried to Berlin to pledge allegiance to the Führer. Here, let us remember the Turkic collaborators of the Nazis: “Islamic-Caucasus Legion”, “Turkistan Legion”, “National Turkistan Union” etc., as well, all ready to destroy the Soviet Union to “liberate” the “suffering” Turkic tent-dwellers who had become nation states thanks to the same monster.

 

In the meantime fake “Azerbaijan” invaded Iran and annexed the real Azarbaijan (Atrpatakan) in 1945. This is how the pan-Turkists used the Bolshevik “brotherhood” while the stupid Armenians were dying defending the hollow ideal.

 

About 60 Armenian generals took part in WWII and were in the highest ranks of the Soviet army commanders, among who General Baghramian, later Soviet Marshal, repeatedly Soviet Hero and army commander, Admiral Isakov (Khanferiants), Gen. Babajanian (later field marshal of armored division), Gen. Barseghov, Gen. Galajev, Gen. Sarkiss Martirossian, liberator of Kiev for those ungrateful “Christian” Ukrainians who sell Armenian invented MiGs, tanks and rockets to fake “Azerbaijan”, Gen. Karapetian, Gen. Toumanian and others. How many Turkish soldiers of any variety can be allowed to kiss the ground these generals walked on?

 

Let me put it bluntly, I am not trying to exculpate the so-called “812th Armenian battalion”, I don’t really care that a few Armenians had to enroll in the German army. There were similar units all over the German occupied countries and from all ethnicities. The majority of this insignificant Armenian regiment was recruited from the prisoners of war and the remainder was simply performing their civic duty. It operated for a short time and only in Crimea and the Caucasus. I haven’t heard of the existence of any concentration camps for Jews in these regions so how does this Botton scumbag bring himself to spew such excrement?

 

He regurgitates the same Turks helped the Jews in WWII fantasy, yet he “forgets” that concentration camps with conditions worse than those of the Germans were created in Ashkale near Babert in Turkish occupied Armenia in the winter of 1942 where Armenians, Greeks and Jews who did not have the means to pay newly invented Varlik Vergisi taxes, were arrested and sent to, in order to break ice or stone until they died. These were mainly city dwelling men who had never been in such cold environment.

 

300,000 Armenians died in WWII fighting Nazism. They fought on all fronts from Odessa to Japan, from Crimea to Stalingrad, from Kiev to Berlin where they were the first to reach and the only Soviet army to do so. They danced the Kochari and Bertapar in front of the Reichstag yet these ungrateful Jews accuse us of collaboration with Nazis, desecrating every Armenian hero and, including the state of Israel, shamelessly dening the Armenian genocide.

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hell jan, I read it with one breath, and I am assuming you wrote this with one breath as well!!!

the very last sentence is awesome!!!

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Apparently his domain name is available: arielbarkan dot com, are you thinking what I am thinking? Should we search engine optimize his site with keywords like: Genocide Denier? I am sure he would love he publicity.

[elle]

Let's do it!

Let the know that it's not just them that can attack our community this way!

 

 

 

[elle]

You already might be asleep but here it goes, have you heard the latest news that Georgia has given up anything that has to do with the Russians, including the weapons it is using now? Russia has completely taken it's bases and artillery and weapons all to Armenia, soon it is going to demand expansion of Armenia whether anyone likes it or not! Very soon the world map is going to change drastically, I know that!!!

 

 

Yeah, I read about that! That's why I said above that it's to our advantage to see Georgia and Azerbaijan act up in the eyes of Russia because the only people who benefit from that are Armenians and Armenia! At first I was surprised to see Saakashvili get re-elected, but now I see it as a good thing! Nothing has changed for the Georgians...meaning that the opposition isn't ruling the country now who might have some different foreign policy from Saakashvili.

 

In saying that, I hope that the war with Iran will result in the creation of Kurdistan and Russia will seize the opportunity to closely collaborate with the Kurds, sicne we all know that it's much better to rely on Russia than the US alliance! I hope that the Kurds will realize that. Anyone knows the approximate size of the Russian military that was transferred from Georgia to Armenia?

 

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These people do not act in a vacuum. They have been contacted by forces within Turkey to write these letters. They usually do not have a clear sense of history, only Hayvanolglu type mistruths. The Congresswoman that Botton wrote to died two months ago of breast cancer.

 

Another scum of the same caliber:

 

"Wednesday, 16 January 2008, by J.E. Botton

 

 

J.E.BOTTON, M.D

 

1503 Langhorne Road

 

Lynchburg 24503 style VA, 434-384 8169 jebotton@aol.com

 

Honorable Congresswoman Jo Ann Davis

 

Washington, DC Office 1123 Longworth House Office Building Washington, DC 20515

 

Dear Congresswoman Davis,

 

I am writing you this urgent letter to prevent if at all possible a tragic error in the upcoming vote on H.Res.106, "Affirmation of the United States Record on the Armenian Genocide Resolution."

 

Allow me to introduce my self: I am a retired neurosurgeon having practiced in Lynchburg, VA from 1961 to 1994. I became a US citizen in 1963. I was born in Istanbul, Turkey in 1929 as a Jewish citizen. I grew up in an environment which included citizens of Greek, Armenian, Jewish and Moslem backgrounds and enjoying a friendly harmony. I graduated from the elite Galatasaray High School with honors before obtaining my medical degree in Geneva, Switzerland in 1955. I later received my neurosurgical training at the Medical College of Virginia in Richmond before moving to Lynchburg.

 

During my years in Istanbul the difficulties experienced by all around WW I were well known with Turkey struggling for its survival in a war against the major world powers in an unfortunate alliance with Germany. During the same years the Armenian citizens encouraged by Russia, England and France organized revolutionary groups - Hunchak, Tashnak..- undertook what should be termed as a civil war against the Ottoman Empire with the hopes of establishing an Armenian state extending into a large part of the Turkish territories in the East. England, desperate to engage the USA under a very religious President Woodrow Wilson propagated thru an intensive process of disinformation the presumed facts that the Christian Armenians were being exiled south from the border against Russia and being killed in the process by the Moslem State.. There were tragic killings on both sides either by military activities but also from diseases and starvation. Later on the word genocide was applied by Armenians particularly in their Diaspora in Europe and in the US with an ever increasing number of deaths mentioned from year to year, well above the original Armenian population then in existence. No mention of the close to three million Moslem deaths resulting from this civil war as well WW I. Armenians had been well treated in the Ottoman Empire along with Greeks and Jews, serving in various professions as well as in Government. Armenians were in the latter capacity during those same years.. In not a too distant past the Arnenian terrorist group ASALA has also managed to kill dozens of Turkish Diplomats and their families in the US and in Europe.

 

My mother remembered the bombing of the Ottoman Bank in Istanbul by Armenian terrorists resulting in riots and counter actions by the State or ordinary citizens. Jews were and still are grateful for their rescue by Sultan Bayazit from the Spanish Inquisition late in the 15th Century and later during WW 2 by the Turkish Republic from the German killing fields across Europe. Along with the Nazis a volunteer Armenian group helped the transportation of Jews to the concentration camps..

 

Unfortunately Turkey has been too apathetic towards the accusations filled with increasing hatred and what I would call the Greatest Lie of the 20th century propagated by a rich Armenian lobby in Europe and the US. Only in recent years a better educated and aware Turkish generation has begun to try to counteract these lies and to some extent attempt to improve the bad press Turkey has suffered as a result of these allegations which expect the recognition of this so-called genocide, to be followed by monetary and territorial demands..

 

For most of its existence since 1923 the Turkish Republic has been a staunch friend of the US, as a member of NATO, during the Korean War, recently in the events in the Balkans and Afghanistan while allowing bases to the US in its territory. It was the first Moslem state to recognize Israel in 1949 with which it has been a very reliable ally.

 

I do not think the passage of HR 106 would be in the US interests in many ways, in today’s political situation in the Middle East and elsewhere but even more importantly the moral loss for the US by abiding to long standing misinformation. These allegations have NEVER been brought to a judicial venue such as the International Court. This was refused by the Armenians as being according to them a self evident fact.. I resent the attempts to compare these terrible events in the early 20th century to the Holocaust: Jews were killed systematically just for being Jews and certainly not for treason, terrorism or territorial demands.

 

Forgive me for this lengthy letter. I hope you will consider it and vote against HR 106.

 

Respectfully,

 

Dr J.E.Botton, FACS

 

Republican - VAMember of the Foreign Affairs Committee

 

Turquie News, Wednesday 16 January 2008"

 

[Hellektor]

hell jan, I read it with one breath, and I am assuming you wrote this with one breath as well!!!

the very last sentence is awesome!!!

Thanks for the encouragement Ashot jan.

 

I had promised to copy/paste a rebuttal by quoting the scumbag point for point, instead I wrote the damn thing in one breath... one looooong breath that cost a couple of hours of my life, though there were a paragraph or two I used that I already had in my megafile.

 

I may write the rebuttal as well if I find the time.

[Hellektor]

These people do not act in a vacuum. They have been contacted by forces within Turkey to write these letters. They usually do not have a clear sense of history, only Hayvanolglu type mistruths. The Congresswoman that Botton wrote to died two months ago of breast cancer.

That's why I had also expressed my doubts about this person being a Jew or actually existing. It's kind of weird: both are doctors, both have strange non-Jewish sounding names that start with B (Barkan and Botton) and both regurgitate the same simplistic Turkish puke:

 

II. While I have my doubts of this bottom for muzzle Botton character being Jewish, given the dubious source and the fact that this allegedly highly educated doctor has lived for almost 47 years in the US, notwithstanding, I will have my say because of one very crucial point that keeps popping up in this sort of reviling stone throwing: namely the “Armenians collaborated with Nazis” fallacy.

In fact a very real Jew, James R. Russell's article From the Mountains of Ararat posted by Arpa convinced me to write.

 

[micromike123]

That's why I had also expressed my doubts about this person being a Jew or actually existing. It's kind of weird: both are doctors, both have strange non-Jewish sounding names that start with B (Barkan and Botton) and both regurgitate the same simplistic Turkish puke:

In fact a very real Jew, James R. Russell's article From the Mountains of Ararat posted by Arpa convinced me to write.

Unfortunately, Prof. Ariel Barkan, M.D. is a real person, made of flesh - not the best flesh I should say and despite of his personal achievements in professional career, not the sone any mother should be proud of. He IS a Jew, or, how he likes to present himself, an "Israeli Jew, originally from the former Soviet Union". Should anybody have a desire to see Prof. Dr. Barkan "in motion", please go to this link where he is delivering a professional medical speech: http://endocrinefellows.org/new_media/bark...ideo_frame.html Then, you can put together the image of the presenter with the image of the faculty member at the university of Michigan here: http://www2.med.umich.edu/departments/endo...rnal%20Medicine

Ariel IS a Jewish first name, and Barkan IS a Jewish surname. In fact, there is yet another Baran, sociologist, I believe, who is extremely involved in the issues related to the Armenian Genocide - and that is a striking thing. As for Jews denying Armenian Genocide - nothing new about that either. Please, read an article "Ghosts of Armenia Haunt Ethnic Relationship": http://www.jewishexponent.com/article/13906/ which clearly says that "Jewish leaders warned that recognizing the genocide, as Congress is now considering, could undermine American strategic interests in the Middle East, and Turkey's robust military and economic partnership with Israel. Also deemed at risk was the security of Turkish Jewry, which sent a letter earlier this year opposing a congressional resolution on the matter. ....... Though Jewish groups have toed a careful line on the genocide question for years, the issue exploded last month after the town council of Watertown, Mass. -- home to one of the country's largest Armenian communities -- voted to sever ties with an ADL anti-bigotry program in protest of the organization's refusal to acknowledge the genocide. ..... An outraged Turkey communicated its dismay to Israeli and Jewish leaders, with some Turkish officials going as far as suggesting that Israel had to "deliver" American Jewish groups on this issue."

Is it really necessary to prove anything else? I think we should stop debating and start acting. For instance, to write a letter to this Jewish yellow newspaper will be a good thing for the beginning - I already did it, saying that they must remove Barkan's letter as unethical. You can guess what was their response, and, of course, they didn't publish my letter, but - imagine if they will be flooded with anti-Barkan letters... Also, we can have a petition shaped addressing the President of the Michigan university - just one of the ideas...

[Hellektor]

Unfortunately, Prof. Ariel Barkan, M.D. is a real person, made of flesh - not the best flesh I should say and despite of his personal achievements in professional career, not the sone any mother should be proud of. He IS a Jew, or, how he likes to present himself, an "Israeli Jew, originally from the former Soviet Union". Should anybody have a desire to see Prof. Dr. Barkan "in motion", please go to this link where he is delivering a professional medical speech: http://endocrinefellows.org/new_media/bark...ideo_frame.html Then, you can put together the image of the presenter with the image of the faculty member at the university of Michigan here: http://www2.med.umich.edu/departments/endo...rnal%20Medicine

Ariel IS a Jewish first name, and Barkan IS a Jewish surname.

Dear Mike,

 

I have time and again criticized the Jewish sonofabitchery concerning the Armenians. Of course, one can not expect everybody to read their posts, but if you took your time and read two of my posts from this very thread you'll see my point of view.

 

This one, actually on this very page and only a few posts before the present, explains fully what I believe about Jewish ingratitude.

 

Please, read an article "Ghosts of Armenia Haunt Ethnic Relationship": http://www.jewishexponent.com/article/13906/ which clearly says that "Jewish leaders warned that recognizing the genocide, as Congress is now considering, could undermine American strategic interests in the Middle East, and Turkey's robust military and economic partnership with Israel. Also deemed at risk was the security of Turkish Jewry, which sent a letter earlier this year opposing a congressional resolution on the matter.

As far as what I think about the insignificant resolution 106 that the Jews abuse as a lever to emotionally blackmail Armenians and Turks alike check out this post.

 

I've said it a million times yet no one seems to listen, we don't need the confirmation of recognition of the Armenian Genocide by the US to start demanding 40% of our homeland given back to us according to international law. It is time the government of RoA raised the issue of the Woodrow Wilson arbitration, awarded to him by the treaty of Sèvres signed by 17 countries including the internationally recognized Armenian Republic and the losers Turkey.

 

Once this is put on the table, the Jews and Anglos will immediately pass recognition resolutions running after us, kneeling and begging to persuade us to forget about taking territory from their Turkish whore.

 

 

[DominO123]

I've said it a million times yet no one seems to listen, we don't need the confirmation of recognition of the Armenian Genocide by the US to start demanding 40% of our homeland given back to us according to international law. It is time the government of RoA raised the issue of the Woodrow Wilson arbitration, awarded to him by the treaty of Sèvres signed by 17 countries including the internationally recognized Armenian Republic and the losers Turkey.

 

Once this is put on the table, the Jews and Anglos will immediately pass recognition resolutions running after us, kneeling and begging to persuade us to forget about taking territory from their Turkish whore.

 

You're rather naive if you think that there is such a thing as an apolitical international law exclusivally runing on the bases of justice. This is a fable, a myth.

 

International Law is a load of words open for interpretation according to the results you want to achieve. We've seen this with Artsakh, the Armenian genocide, Armenia etc.

 

Armenia is small, land locked and has no oil. Armenians are far from having the impact the Jews have. This could have been OK, had Armenia and Armenians not been opposed by a NATO nation which has as much impact, and another which has one of the highest oil reserve in the world.

 

The international law ignore us, then we should ignore the so-called international law which interpretation change according to the interest of those who enforce it. When international law adhered with the concept of justice in the Armenian case?

[elle]

I read in this forum a while ago that Ara Abrahamian hired numerous lawyers from one of the best European law firms to deal with the territorial claims of historical Armenia.

So what's the status now? Are we actually working towards taking Turkey to the International Court? I only read that Turkey legally can be tried in the International Court for territorial claims and reparations. Are we working on that now or are we only talking about it while sitting on our behinds?

 

I'm trying to understand the whole process of AG recognition in other countries. We already have 22-25 official recognitions around the world, so my question is whether or not there's a limit on how many countries must recognize it in order for us to take Turkey to IC?

 

I'm not very familiar (only the basics) on what exactly the former US president Wilson stated about the Armenian territories (Wilsonian Armenia), but I keep hearing about the Sevres Treaty, so if it's known that the Treaty has not expired so to speak...what are the Armenian community and Armenia too (I strongly belive that since Armenia is a sovereign state now, it should take part in this process as well) waiting for? Please inform me about this situation and if possible, tell me who's doing what on this matter...as oppose to stating your own opinions about this issue.

 

If the problem is the US recognition then let's face it...as long as these Jewish rats are doing everything not to get it recognized, it won't get "officially" recognized....we all know how treacherous they are, so why are we relying on these Jewish scums to advance our own interests?

I understand that they have the power and all, but let's concentrate on other means to advance our issues. It's obvious that US is more controlled by the Jews and Israel, than the US is controlling/influencing Israel, so why not find other means to do this?

 

One thing I'm glad about is that Armenia is not under the influence of USA because we would get screwed if that was the case...having in mind the strong Turkish-US-Israeli alliance. At least Russia is gradually re-gaining it's world power status now and its economy is growing, so we no longer are stuck with the 1992-1997 Russia that was not going anywhere. I believe that as long as the Russian economy is growing and the country is getting better in numerous ways, that will reflect on Armenia as well...not that fast of course, but whatever happens in Russia it affects Armenia...whether it's good or bad!

 

I was never agains the Jews this way, but the things I've read...whether it's about the Rothschilds or the current Israeli politics and their control of the USA..I'm simply disgusted...The Zionist involvement in the AG and the current denial definitely played another major role for me to come to the conclusion that I simply can't stand them!

 

I had few Jewish-Russian friends before, but thank God I got rid of them long time ago...before really getting into this stuff. Can't say that I have good memories of them looking back now.

 

Anyways, I'd love to see something major and positive in regards to the AG during my lifetime...I'm almost approaching my 25th b-day now, so with my calculations I have another 50 years remaining, so hope something good comes out and that I'll be around to see/hear about it!!

 

 

[elle]

Another thing....I don't understand why Azerbaijan is making such a big deal about it's oil.

They way they talk about their oil, as if they are they own all of the Caspian oil reserves!

By looking at the map, it seems that Azerbaijan gets the least oil, since it's border on the Caspian shores are the smallest.

Looks like Iran, Russia, Kazakhstan and Turkmenistan own bigger portion of the oil in the Caspian, so why are theyr'e talking big as if they own the region?

 

There were some talks about drilling for oil in Armenia before, so anyone knows what happened with that plan? Could there be a possibility that Armenia might have oil? After all, it doesn't have to have a sea shore in order to have oil right?

 

[DominO123]

Another thing....I don't understand why Azerbaijan is making such a big deal about it's oil.

They way they talk about their oil, as if they are they own all of the Caspian oil reserves!

By looking at the map, it seems that Azerbaijan gets the least oil, since it's border on the Caspian shores are the smallest.

Looks like Iran, Russia, Kazakhstan and Turkmenistan own bigger portion of the oil in the Caspian, so why are theyr'e talking big as if they own the region?

 

There were some talks about drilling for oil in Armenia before, so anyone knows what happened with that plan? Could there be a possibility that Armenia might have oil? After all, it doesn't have to have a sea shore in order to have oil right?

 

 

Geologically, underground much of the Caspian reserve are merged. It doesn't matter from where it comes, the important part is from how far you can take that oil. Take Kwait most of its reserve probably comes from underground Iraq.