The Bill On Punishment For Denying Armenian Genocide Is Adopted

[MosJan]

Chirac Did Not Promise Erdogan to Intervene in Armenian Genocide Bill Adoption

19.10.2006 14:10 GMT+04:00 Print version Send to mail In Russian In Armenian

/PanARMENIAN.Net/ French opposition Socialist Party's lawmakers, who proposed the controversial 'genocide' bill adopted last week by Parliament, criticized French President Jacques Chirac for telling Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan he was sorry that French lawmakers approved the bill – making it a crime to deny that Armenians were subjected to a Genocide at the hands of the Ottoman Empire. "It is disappointing that he [Chirac] apologized over parliamentary work," said Didier Migaud, deputy from the Socialist Party. Erdogan said over the weekend that Chirac called him and said he was sorry and also promised to "do everything he could in the following process," referring to the readings through which the bill must pass before becoming legislation. Chirac, during a visit to the Armenian capital of Yerevan last month, said Turkey must recognize the alleged Armenian genocide, before it can join the European Union. An official from the French Foreign Ministry, referring to a telephone conversation between Chirac and Erdogan, reportedly said Jacques Chirac did not make a pledge that he would intervene or ensure that the bill was annulled, Turkish Daily News reports.

[MosJan]

Azeris and Turks of Romania “Criticize” France for Genocide Bill

19.10.2006 17:09 GMT+04:00 Print version Send to mail In Russian In Armenian

/PanARMENIAN.Net/ Yesterday a protest action took place in front of the French Embassy in Bucharest against the French Parliament adopting a bill criminalizing denial of the Armenian Genocide. Representatives of the Azerbaijani and Turkish communities, Tatar and Turkic national minorities took part in the action. The participants “criticized the scandalous legislation, adopted by the legislative of that country.” The demonstration participants, having Turkish and Azeri flags, demanded that France “be careful with human rights.” Having handed the resolution to the Embassy, the participants of the rally, widely covered by the media, laid a black wreath to the French diplomatic mission, reports APA.

[MosJan]

Turkish Watchdog Urges Boycott of French TV Programs

 

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Turkey's state broadcasting watchdog recommended Wednesday that television stations not broadcast French media programs, the latest backlash against a French law that would criminalize denial that the mass killings of Armenians in Turkey was genocide.

 

Members of the broadcasting group said they had decided by an unanimous vote that their recommendation would stay in place until France took the law completely off its agenda. French films, TV series and music account for about 10 percent of the content on Turkish radio and television, according to figures provided by the broadcasting watchdog. It was not immediately able to say how much Turkish broadcasters pay annually for French content.

 

Saban Sevinc, a member of the watchdog's board, said French films were third in popularity in Turkey behind American and Turkish films. "France is trying to raise its voice in the world film sector. (We) hope this decision will make some noise, even if it's small, in the French film industry and art world and make them ask 'What have we done?"'

 

The genocide denial bill was approved by lawmakers in France's lower house last week, but still needs approval from the French Senate and President Jacques Chirac to become law.

 

Turkey sees the bill as a hostile, anti-Turkish development, and has warned that the lawmakers' vote has already deeply harmed Turkish-French relations. Turkey's main consumer group also organized a boycott of French goods, saying it would publicize a French company each week and encourage Turks to boycott it. Turkey vehemently denies that it committed genocide against Armenians, though many nations have classified the World War I-era killings as such.

 

The European Union and European media have criticized the French bill, however, saying it is not in line with the principle of free expression and is not helpful to encouraging dialogue with Turkey, a hopeful EU candidate.

 

An official at the Organization for Security and Cooperation in Europe added his voice to the criticism on Wednesday. Miklos Haraszti, an OSCE representative for freedom of media, asked Senate members to reject the amendment when it reaches the second French chamber, saying it was an attack on freedom of expression.

 

"I acknowledge the humanitarian intentions of those members of the assembly who support this proposal. However, the adoption of the amendment raises serious concerns with regard to international standards of freedom of expression," Haraszti wrote. "It is in the name of these same standards that I continue to call upon Turkey to remove Article 301 of the Penal Code, 'Insulting Turkish identity', which prosecutors in Turkey repeatedly use in the context of the Armenian genocide debate."

[Դրօ]

Here's what I'd like to know. Isn't there already a law that penalizes those who deny the Jewish Holocaust in France? Why isn't the EU taking this into consideration? Why isn't this law an "attack on freedom of speech" yet the Armenian Genocide bill is? What makes the genocide committed during the 2nd World War more important than the genocide committed during the 1st? Is there hypocrisy at work in the EU? Have there been double standards adopted in the EU?

 

It seems that my older brother's theory holds true: The whole world revolves around hypocrisy.

[Hellektor]

Here's what I'd like to know. Isn't there already a law that penalizes those who deny the Jewish Holocaust in France? Why isn't the EU taking this into consideration? Why isn't this law an "attack on freedom of speech" yet the Armenian Genocide bill is? What makes the genocide committed during the 2nd World War more important than the genocide committed during the 1st? Is there hypocrisy at work in the EU? Have there been double standards adopted in the EU?

 

It seems that my older brother's theory holds true: The whole world revolves around hypocrisy.

Where have you been the last 50 years or so, dear friend?

 

Don't you know the Junited "Nations", the Jewman Rights groups, the International Centers for Analyzing This or Analyzing That, the Centers for This and That Studies, the Jerwropean Junion, the United Slaves of Israel, The Junited Queerdump of the Greatest Turkish C**k Sucking Faggots of Brisatan and indeed the "whole" Western "world revolves around" a certain chosen people who by writing a plagiarized story book a couple of thousand years ago, planned the takeover of the world, while we are not sure they ever had a state.

 

Don't you see when some punk sprays a swastika on a recent J**ish tombstone with no artistic value, the cries of "anti-S**ite! Hitler! Nazi" flood the TV channels while the barbaric destruction of the ancient Jugha cemetery is completely ignored by the Zionist owned media? I mean a dog having being run over by a car in a remote African village has a better chance of making it to the jews, pardon, news channels of the "Christian" Western world of hypocritical bastards...

 

Besides:

 

I. While we lost our homeland for thousands of years as a result of the genocide, they actually got theirs.

 

II. While there was a Nuremberg for them, ours is still waiting for justice and soon all the survivors will be dead having seen none.

 

III. While ours happened in our homeland, they had immigrated to Europe and lived in other peoples' countries.

 

IV. While ours lasted a thousand years, they suffered for a period of what, five or ten years when the Germans had gone mad. The Germans recovered but the Turd is still the same Jurk, denying their crimes, blaming us for the moonquake, demanding land from us and still destroying our heritage.

 

V. While the world has recognized theirs that happened decades after ours, we are still suffering the trauma and we are even being denied the sympathizing and comforting pat on the back from the world community.

 

VI. While our homeland was completely wiped out of its indigenous inhabitants, millions of J**s still live in Europe.

 

VII. While the Armenian Genocide was a complete success the J**ish killings were a total fiasco.

 

VIII. While no one is allowed to use a swastika which is an ancient Indo/European symbol used at least six thousand years ago in Armenia as well, the disgusting Turkish flag, red with the blood of our nation with Lucifer's symbol in the middle can be seen EVERYWHERE.

 

I could go on forever.

[DominO123]

Here's what I'd like to know. Isn't there already a law that penalizes those who deny the Jewish Holocaust in France? Why isn't the EU taking this into consideration? Why isn't this law an "attack on freedom of speech" yet the Armenian Genocide bill is? What makes the genocide committed during the 2nd World War more important than the genocide committed during the 1st? Is there hypocrisy at work in the EU? Have there been double standards adopted in the EU?

 

It seems that my older brother's theory holds true: The whole world revolves around hypocrisy.

 

Every such laws are against Freedom of speech and in contradiction with the declaration of human rights. Germany does have such laws, so no nation protest, so this is justification enough to restrict freedom of thought.

 

As for why the Jewish genocide is more 'important.' It happened in Europe, in the Heartland of 'Western Civilization', Europe doesn't care much of Rwanda, Cambodia, or what happened in the Ottoman Empire, I'd change your brothers statment to: The West revolve around itself.

[MosJan]

BAKU: TURKEY AND AZERBAIJAN "SHOULD JOINTLY STRUGGLE AGAINST FRENCH PARLIAMENT DECISION"

 

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Azeri MP Anar Mamedkhanov considers that Turkey and Azerbaijan should join endeavors to press for cancellation of the French parliament’s decision calling for criminalization of the Armenian Genocide denial. “Turkey should act as vanguard and undertake the resolution of the current situation. As compared to us, Turkey has a rich experience. A state with 70-million population, a NATO member and an aspirant to the EU can achieve a greater result in the struggle with the Armenian lobby,” he said, reported Day.az.

[MosJan]

L'ORéAL – RECURRENT VICTIM OF TURKISH BOYCOTT

 

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Having called for a boycott against French oil company Total last week, the Turkish Consumers Union has declared that next target is L'Oréal, the world's largest cosmetics group, in protest of the adoption of the Armenian Genocide bill by the French parliament. Bulent Deniz, chairman of the Turkish Consumers Union, announced on Thursday that they would put all the products of French cosmetic giant L'Oréal on the boycott list next week. Turkey's main consumer group last week decided to publicize one French company or brand every week and encourage Turks to boycott it until the French bill is annulled. L'Oréal has been in the Turkish market since 1989 and has increased its sales throughout the country 45 percent in the last five years. Last a boycott began for Total, a French gas station, with a reported 30 percent drop in sales, reports zaman.com.

[MosJan]

TURKEY COMPILED “SHAME LIST” OF MASSACRES COMMITTED BY EUROPEAN COUNTRIES IN PAST

 

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The Turkish parliament took a new step in condemnation of the French parliament’s adoption of the bill criminalizing denial of the Armenian Genocide. It compiled a “shame list” of massacres committed by European countries including France, Germany and the Netherlands. The necessary study for the list was conducted by the parliament’s justice sub-committee as part of its debates over a bill that would recognize the Algerian genocide committed by France. The commission is researching the massacres and tyrannies that countries that recognize the Armenian Genocide have committed in the past. The members of the commission decided that ‘announcing the European list to the world would be more efficient than recognition of an Algerian genocide,’ reports zaman

[MosJan]

CHARLES AZNAVOUR: FRENCH BILL HAD TO COVER ALL GENOCIDES

 

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Famous singer Charles Aznavour considers that the French bill criminalizing the Armenian Genocide denial had to cover all crimes of the kind but not only the one committed against Armenians, “otherwise it produces rather a strange impression.” “I am delighted that the issue was thought of but I have a reservation, since I have had an impression that the other genocides were forgotten,” he said. Aznavour also said he is very glad that Orhan Pamuk was awarded with Novel Prize. “It was Orhan Pamuk who dared to speak of the possibility of acknowledgement of the Armenian Genocide by Turkey,” he said, reports RFE/RL.

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[MosJan]

ANKARA DECIDED TO FREEZE POLITICAL AND MILITARY RELATIONS WITH PARIS

 

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The Turkish government has determined “sanctions to be applied against France” in protest of the bill penalizing the Armenian Genocide denial. Official Ankara decided to “freeze all bilateral relations in political and military fields.” French companies will be deprived of the right to participate in the tenders for Turkish defense and energy projects. The prohibition will first of all refer to the projects of nuclear power plants construction, each costing $5 billion. Besides, French companies will be removed from the tenders announced by the General Staff of the Turkish Armed Forces, reports Azeri Press.

[MosJan]

we can offer french Co. the projects of nuclear power plants in Armenia

projects are no problem 5 in Armenia 5 in Artsax just don;t ask for money

and in addition to that we can take 10 Billion in Military good will pay them wan we get the money from the UK & French Insurance CA/s

[DominO123]

ANKARA DECIDED TO FREEZE POLITICAL AND MILITARY RELATIONS WITH PARIS

 

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The Turkish government has determined “sanctions to be applied against France” in protest of the bill penalizing the Armenian Genocide denial. Official Ankara decided to “freeze all bilateral relations in political and military fields.” French companies will be deprived of the right to participate in the tenders for Turkish defense and energy projects. The prohibition will first of all refer to the projects of nuclear power plants construction, each costing $5 billion. Besides, French companies will be removed from the tenders announced by the General Staff of the Turkish Armed Forces, reports Azeri Press.

 

That's BS, Turkey has absolutly NO INTENTION to buy any nuclear power plants. For years they have used this argument, they did it again in various occasion with Canada, each time the genocide resolution had to be voted, Turkey showed interest in buying Canadian nuclear reactors and then threatning Canada that they will not buy.

 

As for Loréal, we all know how women don't replace a cosmetic product they are accostumated to. French products leads the cometic market, if it is not Loréal, it'll be Chanel etc.

Edited October 20, 2006 by QueBeceR

[Hellektor]

we can offer french Co. the projects of nuclear power plants in Armenia

projects are no problem 5 in Armenia 5 in Artsax just don;t ask for money

and in addition to that we can take 10 Billion in Military good will pay them wan we get the money from the UK & French Insurance CA/s

The reason Armenia is poor is because the savage Turk destroyed our genofund and our civilization and has usurped 90%+ of our homeland.

 

It would be perfectly fair to convince the Eurofags to pressure Turkey to pay for all that instead of Armenia.

 

Let's see, 3 million Armenians were killed or thrown out of their home during the period of 1894-1923 ONLY.

3,000,000 * $1,000,000 = 3,000,000,000,000

One million dollars compensation for the life and property of a human being doesn't seem exaggerated at all.

 

They have destroyed over 2000 ancient Armenian churches and monasteries in the second half of the 20th century ONLY.

2000 * 1,000,000,000 = 2,000,000,000,000

A billion dollars for a historic monument doesn't seem exaggerated taking into account they were priceless samples of human heritage.

 

Who knows how many thousands of khachkars, cemeteries, manuscripts, relics, etc. have also been destroyed. We are not even talking about all the "taxes" and extortions they forced on the landlord during the dark Ottoman era. Add another five trillion dollars for all that.

 

Adding up the whole bill = ten trillion dollars, it can cover the nuclear plants, the arms and everything else hundreds of times over. They owe it to us.

Edited October 20, 2006 by Hellektor

[MosJan]

Turkish MFA: French Parliament “Wounded Souls of Turkish People”

20.10.2006 18:44 GMT+04:00 Print version Send to mail In Russian In Armenian

/PanARMENIAN.Net/ Official Ankara is not going to recall Ambassador from Paris. Turkish MFA Spokesman Namik Tan said the presence of diplomatic mission is essential to bring Turkey’s position to the notion of France. “We are adherents to cool and reasonable conduct and we will proceed with this line,” he said. Tan remarked that although Turkey has calmed down to hear French government oppose the bill criminalizing the Armenian Genocide denial but it doesn’t solve the problem. In his words, the decision taken by the upper house of the parliament “wounded souls of Turkish people and the mistake cannot be corrected by statements.” He also said that bill is being condemned in Europe and the whole world, reports IA Regnum.

[MosJan]

wow - that's 2 words you din;t see to often in the same sentence - Wounded Souls of Turkish People

 

sorrryyyy i'm on drugs

[MosJan]

Armenian Genocide: Turkish University to Send Millions Appeals to European Court

20.10.2006 18:41 GMT+04:00 Print version Send to mail In Russian In Armenian

/PanARMENIAN.Net/ In protest against the adoption of resolutions on the Armenian Genocide by parliaments of different states of the world, the Bahçesehir University has prepared a million of appeals to be sent to the European Court of Human Rights. According to university rector Suleyh Batum, “struggle should be led in political field for a while yet”. “Unfortunately, political influence of other states is felt in Turkey. That is why Turkey has to step on the juridical platform. Our state has a strong instrument – the European Treaty and the Court of Human Rights. The aspiration to prevent Turkey from expressing reaction on historical and not grounded as genocide events is a limitation of human rights. We have prepared 1 million of application forms for the European Court of Human Rights over the decisions taken by the parliaments of Argentina, Russia, Switzerland and other states. We will garner signatures of people throughout the globe and send them to the European Court of Human Rights,” Batum said, reports Azeri Press.

[MosJan]

US State Department: French Bill on Armenian Genocide «Senseless»

21.10.2006 13:10 GMT+04:00 Print version Send to mail In Russian In Armenian

/PanARMENIAN.Net/ The bill criminalizing the denial of the Armenian Genocide «is senseless,» US Deputy Assistant Secretary of State for Europe and Eurasia Daniel Fried stated at a news conference in Brussels. «I share the opinion that the bill does not make sense,» he said. In Fried's words, the US and the President Bush had made many statements on massacre of Armenians in WWI, but did not call it a Genocide. Daniel Fried noted Washington wishes for Turks and Armenians to honestly consider the issue. «I am convinced that the wording similar to that adopted by the French Parliament stimulates that process,» the US Deputy Assistant Secretary of State said, reports RFE/RL

[Hellektor]

US State Department: French Bill on Armenian Genocide «Senseless»

21.10.2006 13:10 GMT+04:00 Print version Send to mail In Russian In Armenian

/PanARMENIAN.Net/ The bill criminalizing the denial of the Armenian Genocide «is senseless,» US Deputy Assistant Secretary of State for Europe and Eurasia Daniel Fried stated at a news conference in Brussels. «I share the opinion that the bill does not make sense,» he said. In Fried's words, the US and the President Bush had made many statements on massacre of Armenians in WWI, but did not call it a Genocide. Daniel Fried noted Washington wishes for Turks and Armenians to honestly consider the issue. «I am convinced that the wording similar to that adopted by the French Parliament stimulates that process,» the US Deputy Assistant Secretary of State said, reports RFE/RL

Whenever I show discontent for the shit this bunch throws at us, I am immediately branded anti-"S***te"... Yet every single day we see one of these screwing us over and over and we do not seem to care.

 

Here I put the question Դրօ had asked a few posts above to this J**, Daniel Fried:

 

Here's what I'd like to know. Isn't there already a law that penalizes those who deny the J**ish Holo**** in France? What makes the genocide committed during the 2nd World War more important than the genocide committed during the 1st? (asteriskization (!) is mine to avoid sinning against YHWH's children H.)

 

Turkish MFA: French Parliament “Wounded Souls of Turkish People”...

...wow - that's 2 words you din;t see to often in the same sentence - Wounded Souls of Turkish People

 

sorrryyyy i'm on drugs

You meant Turkish and people? I'm NOT on drugs

 

P.S. I hope the soulless beast dies of the wound.

[Yervant1]

Since when 106 votes in favour and only 19 against is considered a win by a narrow majority?

 

 

 

SCRATCHING THE OTHER'S WOUNDS

By Avirama Golan

 

Ha'aretz, Israel

Oct 22 2006

 

It is fascinating to see how France, time and again, insists on

sticking its refined nose into the affairs of others and preach

wisdom to them, instead of dealing with the boiling kettles on its

own stove. The law against deniers of the massacre of the Armenian

people is still provoking a lively debate in the French press.

 

(France approved the law about two weeks ago by a narrow majority,

following an internal debate over the severity of punishment.) In

Turkey, the French law pushed intellectuals and writers oppressed by

the regime into a corner, compelling them to defend their country.

 

A day after winning the Nobel Prize, the author Orhan Pamuk hurried to

declare that the French law constitutes "a blow to the principles of

freedom of expression that France itself instilled." It is a shame,

Pamuk said, that France does not leave the Turks to do their own

soul-searching, which is occurring in any case. Another Turkish

writer, Elif Shafak, was recently brought to trial in Istanbul for

allegedly "denigrating Turkish national identity" in her latest novel,

"The Bastard of Istanbul," which tells the stories of two families,

Turkish and Armenian. In an article in Le Monde, Shafak asked the

French to allow her nation to "heal the wounds of its history by

itself." Sinan Ulgen, the president of the Turkish think tank Economics

and Foreign Policy Studies (EDAM), argued in an article in Le Figaro,

that "France is weakening democracy in Turkey."

 

This phenomenon is familiar to Israeli writers and intellectuals,

veterans of the fight against the occupation, who stutter in an attempt

to defend their country in the face of a buttressed, superficial,

arrogant and self-righteous European stance. And like the French

left's attack against Israel, which places doubt on the legitimacy of

the state of the Jews, the new legislation derives from a combination

of factors: a historical connection (some of the Armenians who were

murdered during World War I were accused of spying for France),

an elitist lobby of anti-Turkish Armenian immigrants in France,

a desire to embarrass Jacques Chirac and weaken the right, and - at

least among some of the legislators - an innocent aspiration, though

somewhat self-righteous, for tikkun olam [making the world better].

 

The ones seeking to improve the world argue that the Armenian

people have suffered a hardship for 90 years, in addition to what

they experienced during World War I. The denials of the massacre are

indeed an open wound. Turkey is not only to blame. Most of the world is

responsible for belittling the tragedy and shunting it aside. In the

soul-searching that has yet to occur here, the children of Holocaust

refugees will have to examine why it was uncomfortable for them to

recognize the magnitude of the suffering of others. In this sense,

the law ostensibly does justice. But this is misleading, and not only

because the measure was essentially an internal-political one, but

also because even when the French left is correct, it is definitely

not smart.

 

In the introduction to the Hebrew edition of Raymond Aron's "The

Algerian Tragedy," Professor Emmanuel Sivan analyzes this symptom: In

France, he explains, politicians tend to be "frighteningly cynical -

even, and primarily, when speaking loftily about morality - while the

intellectuals tend to be detached 'moralists'." (This brings to mind,

in particular, Albert Camus and his denial of oppression in Algeria

and Jean-Paul Sartre and his support for the USSR in 1956 - A.G.)

Thus, the moralists of the French left had little impact on the war

crimes perpetrated by France in Algeria, while Aron, a centrist who

spoke in the name of realpolitik, significantly contributed to the

effort to convince the French to end the occupation.

 

In the case of the law against deniers of the massacre of the Armenian

people, the French left is again ignoring realpolitik. This only serves

to muffle the internal Turkish debate that finally began to awaken

after years of silence. The French should demonstrate sensitivity for

denials. After all, it has only been a few years since they allowed

references to the "war" in Algeria and lifted censorship from Gillo

Pontecorvo's 1965 film "The Battle of Algiers."

 

Why now of all times, when France is in a tumult over a film exposing a

new affair - the (denied) colonial use of North Africans as soldiers in

World War II - is it so urgent for the left to focus on the Armenians?

 

Perhaps it is because of another, concealed motive related to the

fear of Turkey's entry to the European Union: the fear of Islam,

which the Pope expressed in his native tongue during a visit to his

homeland. This fear is the strongest thread motivating politicians in

Europe today. The French, who are waging a desperate battle against

head scarves and the teenagers in the suburbs, are on the eve of a

dramatic election campaign and its perennial X-factor, Jean-Marie

Le Pen, who threatens again to conjure up the dark ghosts and fears

simmering on the republic's ideological periphery.

 

An Islamic Turkey frightens the French, and the fear makes them

forget smart realpolitik. If Raymond Aron were alive today, perhaps

he would explain to the citizens of his country that the order of the

day is actually to bring Turkey closer, help it prosper, encourage

its democracy, and reinforce the voices of Pamuk and his colleagues.

 

The insult and enmity now engendered in Turkey as a result of the

French legislation were unnecessary.

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Their reaction does not surprize me.

 

Because if recognized worldwide (Armenian Genocide), it may put the Holocaust in a shadow.

[Hellektor]

That's it! Our patience must have limits. As long as this evil bunch denies the Armenian Genocide, I suggest us Armenians refrain from using the H word. it's not much, but it's a start and it would be doing something instead of sitting and watching them screw us over and undermine our suffering that happened before theirs and lasted a thousand years, not having been over yet, while the German madness lasted less than a decade.

 

Their reaction does not surprize me.

 

Because if recognized worldwide (Armenian Genocide), it may put the Holocaust in a shadow.

 

SCRATCHING THE OTHER'S WOUNDS

By Avirama Golan

 

Ha'aretz, Israel

Oct 22 2006

 

...instead of dealing with the boiling kettles on its

own stove. The law against deniers of the massacre of the Armenian

people is still provoking a lively debate in the French press.

 

...Sinan Ulgen, the president of the Turkish think tank Economics

and Foreign Policy Studies (EDAM), argued in an article in Le Figaro,

that "France is weakening democracy in Turkey."

"president of the Turkish think tank..." what an impartial commentator!

 

...a historical connection (some of the Armenians who were

murdered during World War I were accused of spying for France),

an elitist lobby of anti-Turkish Armenian immigrants in France,

a desire to embarrass Jacques Chirac and weaken the right, and - at

least among some of the legislators -

So now this J** is regurgitating the Turkish bullshit that the Armenians "betrayed" "their" "nation" and got what they deserved. Again he is exaggerating the influence of the French Armenians as if the J*** don't have the most important part of the world media in their hands and they aren't running the US. The Armenians have only one powerful card: the TRUTH.

 

The ones seeking to improve the world argue that the Armenian

people have suffered a hardship for 90 years, in addition to what

they experienced during World War I. The denials of the massacre are

indeed an open wound. Turkey is not only to blame. Most of the world is

responsible for belittling the tragedy and shunting it aside.

I wonder who's working their asses off to keep it that way...

 

 

...Thus, the moralists of the French left had little impact on the war

crimes perpetrated by France in Algeria, while Aron, a centrist who

spoke in the name of realpolitik, significantly contributed to the

effort to convince the French to end the occupation.

Again I don't see why they have to bring the Algerian tragedy every time France deals with the AG.

Is 90%+ Algeria still under French occupation? Is 90%+ of Algeria devoid of its indigenous people? Come on, Shlomo, give us a fucking break.

 

 

In the case of the law against deniers of the massacre of the Armenian

people, the French left is again ignoring realpolitik. This only serves

to muffle the internal Turkish debate that finally began to awaken

after years of silence.

 

...An Islamic Turkey frightens the French, and the fear makes them

forget smart realpolitik. If Raymond Aron were alive today, perhaps

he would explain to the citizens of his country that the order of the

day is actually to bring Turkey closer, help it prosper, encourage

its democracy, and reinforce the voices of Pamuk and his colleagues.

 

The insult and enmity now engendered in Turkey as a result of the

French legislation were unnecessary.

Realpolitik is not everything; sometimes some humanity is also welcome. By recognizing its history, Turkey will be one step closer to humanity and the metamorphosis will begin from monster to man once they accept what they are and where they come from.

 

 

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In the case of the law against deniers of the massacre of the Armenian

people...

The law is against deniers of the Armenian Genocide you )(*)*()*(&&().

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[vava]

Hellektor - direct your hatred of jews towards more productive measures. Reaching to create understanding & empathy will garner you more individual allies to help achieve your goals, than refusing to use the term Holocaust. Antagonism along those lines entirely defeats our credibilty as a people. And let's not so easily permit ourselves to sway againts an entire group of people for the position taken by their government.

[Armenak]

Sinan Ulgen, the president of the Turkish think tank Economics

and Foreign Policy Studies (EDAM), argued in an article in Le Figaro,

that "France is weakening democracy in Turkey."

"You can't call yourself a think tank when all your ideas are stupid."

 

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[MosJan]

EUROPE WILL NOT SWALLOW ISLAMIC STATE WITH 80-MILLION POPULATION

 

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Politically Turkey’s reaction to the adoption of the French bill penalizing the Armenian Genocide denial is adequate, Political scientist, rector of the Caucasus Media Institute Alexander Iskandaryan said in an interview with PanARMENIAN.Net.

 

In his opinion, French parliamentarians were guided by public opinion, which is not pro-Armenian but anti-Turkish. “The point is that France is against Turkey’s accession to the EU, against enlargement, against the European Constitution and it’s not alone in the opinion.

 

Europe will not be able to swallow an Islamic state with 80-million population. Turkey has weak trumps in this game. Experiencing big problems with Article 301 of the Penal Code it speaks of freedom of speech. I think that a chain reaction may take place and some other European states may pass a similar law. But I would like to repeat, the point is not Armenians but Turks,” the Armenian political scientist underscored.