Armenak Posted October 14, 2006 Report Share Posted October 14, 2006 Now zurderer, go do something "productive," like boykot-ing French merchandise. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lev7 Posted October 14, 2006 Report Share Posted October 14, 2006 (edited) Shut up zurderer. This Turk is annoying on so many levels. It's not only his broken English; he makes statements he knows will infuriate most of the members here. Is asserting yourself in a place you are most not welcome a typical Turkish custom? I think there should be a rule on this board, that whoever denies the Genocide should be banned with no questions asked Edited October 14, 2006 by Lev7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skhara Posted October 14, 2006 Report Share Posted October 14, 2006 Part of my family comes from those rich Armenians who lived in Western Armenia and who owned large estates both in Historical Armenia and Central Asia Minor. My ancestors were well educated, had almost no contact with the Turks since their business was predominantly with Europeans and contractors from the Balkans. Our family owned (and legally continues to own) two small islands in the Mediterranean which were olive plantations. The main street in Konia together with all horse accessories stores on both sides of the Main street in the town, together with the building of the Konak were owned by my family. My grand-grand parents were dining with golden plates and utensils. They had French maids to help them with the kids and private German tutors. You are such a bourgeois gams. Those who support or oppose this bill on the basis of their acceptance or denial of the Armenian genocide are equally misguided. This law is unjust, and it is so because any attempt to thwart freedom of expression is injust. Freedom shmeedom. I fully support the passing of this bill. So far, Viva la France!!! I support it on the grounds that it is a blow to the enemies of the Armenian people. turds are in a loud hysteria. J**s were not able to defeat this. Hoorah. I voted no in this thread because I don't think that that it would pass the Senate. But hey, this is a score. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MosJan Posted October 14, 2006 Report Share Posted October 14, 2006 GENOCIDE BILL WILL BE UNFORGETTABLE SHAME ON FRANCE, ANKARA SAID * article's photo The French Parliament has shown that it is in pursuit of simple policies and France has ruined all its historical prestige for the sake of votes, Turkish Foreign Minister Abdullah Gul told reporters on Thursday afternoon. Turkish government and NGOs have continued to protest the highly controversial French bill on the Armenian Genocide, which was passed in the French Parliament on Thursday. FM Abdullah Gul criticized the adoption of the bill penalizing the denial of the Armenian Genocide. "This will be an unforgettable shame on France. From now on, France will never be able to describe itself as a country of freedoms". Gul underlined that the bill struck a heavy blow on Turkish-French relations and seriously damaged the credibility of France as a European Union (EU) member which defends freedom of expression. Gul also assured that Turkey took this as a national issue. "Certainly our reaction both at the official and public level will be very big," Gul said implying possible boycotts on French products, Cihan News Agency reports. * Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MosJan Posted October 14, 2006 Report Share Posted October 14, 2006 FRANCE: VANDALS PROFANED ARMENIAN GENOCIDE MONUMENT * article's photo Two days after the vote of the French Parliament adopting the text of the bill penalizing the Armenian Genocide, the memorial set up in the town of Chaville, close to Versailles, was deteriorated in the night from the 13 to October 14. In fact, two plates engraved in bronze, dedicated to the victims of the Armenian Genocide were torn off from the base, forming a case in the background of the work of art. The police undertook an investigation immediately, independent French journalists Jean Ackian told PanARMENIAN.Net. The monument itself consists of a tangle of the letters of the Armenian alphabet, which form a cross in the center. * Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MosJan Posted October 14, 2006 Report Share Posted October 14, 2006 EUROPE FIRMS IN OPINION THAT TURKEY SHOULD ACKNOWLEDGE ARMENIAN GENOCIDE * article's photo “The adoption of this legislation by the French Parliament reflects both the growing isolation of Turkey as well as the strengthened resolve in France - and throughout Europe - that Turkey must end its denials and accept a just settlement of the Armenian Genocide,” Aram Hamparian, the Executive Director of the Armenian National Committee of America told a reporter. To remind, October 12 the lower house of the French parliament with 106 votes ‘for’ and 19 ‘against’ passed a bill penalizing the Armenian Genocide denial. An analogous law was adopted in Switzerland in 2003, reported PanARMENIAN.Net. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MosJan Posted October 14, 2006 Report Share Posted October 14, 2006 TURKEY SHOULD BE HONEST ABOUT HER PAST * “It is very worrisome that people in and outside Turkey are being threatened or prosecuted, if they recognize the Armenian Genocide,” Dutch Prime Minister Jan Peter Balkenende told Reformatorisch Dagblad newspaper. “The Motion of December 2004 called upon the government, to continuously and explicitly raise the recognition of the Armenian Genocide. Turkey should be honest about her past and come to terms with it”, Balkenende argued. The negotiations with Turkey for accession are a classical example of how it should not be done, van der Staaij of SGP said. His colleague Rouvoet wondered how it is possible that Turkey still can have the EU negotiations so much her own way. To the opinion of the Dutch parliament the negotiation negotiations have to stop if Turkey does not allow Cypriot ships and airplanes, reported PanARMENIAN.Net. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MosJan Posted October 14, 2006 Report Share Posted October 14, 2006 ANTI-FRENCH HYSTERIA IN HEYDAY IN TURKEY * As it was anticipated, the adoption by the French parliament of the bill penalizing denial of the Armenian Genocide has spurred major hysteria. Responding to this event, Turkish prime minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan named the French politicians "narrow-minded" for legalizing "the Armenian genocide lie" and said that it is shameful in terms of "freedom of thought" and is at the same time a blemish for France. This country, he said, is destined to live with shame. Erdogan labeled passage of the bill a "gross historic mistake" and added: "History will surely condemn them who neglect rational manifestations of opposition. We will not accept such unfairness, neither will tolerate it." Byulent Arenc, speaker of the Turkish parliament, called the French National Assembly’s decision "shameful" and manifestation of "hostile attitude towards the Turkish people." Foreign minister Abdullah Gul joined him. "With this decision of the its parliament France showed that it is a country that pursuits minor goals. To reach these goals it has trampled on its historic authority. Let no one think that will stomach all these. We have elaborated countermeasures for all spheres that will be gradually used. This issue is national in essence. Hopefully, France will get out of this deadlock," Milliet quoted Gul as saying. Though Gul did not mention of these spheres, Milliet found out from Foreign Ministry’s sources that is going to lower to the minimum cooperation with France in military, politics, healthcare, education, culture and trade. Meanwhile it is supposed that France will be alienated from all key international tenders in Turkey. Denis Bayqal, leader of the Popular Republican party, said on occasion of the bill’s adoption that it is impossible to take history captive by a bill and that France has signed beneath historic shame. * By Hakob Chakrian Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MosJan Posted October 14, 2006 Report Share Posted October 14, 2006 I have a question haw are we Armenians and ROA ready to repay, it's obvious that some of french goods and business will suffer do to the recent events that took place - now at what cost for Armenians haw do we compromise ?? for what french is going to loos Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yervant1 Posted October 14, 2006 Report Share Posted October 14, 2006 Shut up zurderer. This Turk is annoying on so many levels. It's not only his broken English; he makes statements he knows will infuriate most of the members here. Is asserting yourself in a place you are most not welcome a typical Turkish custom? Why is it so difficult for you guys to ignore this subhuman garbage? Just do not respond to his insane posts, end of the story. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yervant1 Posted October 14, 2006 Report Share Posted October 14, 2006 (edited) I have a question haw are we Armenians and ROA ready to repay, it's obvious that some of french goods and business will suffer do to the recent events that took place - now at what cost for Armenians haw do we compromise ?? for what french is going to loos Armenians already paid with the souls of 1.5 million for the indifference of the so called civilised nations. Not taking into consideration the loss of our lands. What will France and the rest of Europe is going to pay Armenians for all of our losses? Edited October 14, 2006 by Yervant1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zurderer Posted October 14, 2006 Report Share Posted October 14, 2006 still selling? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JanFedayi Posted October 14, 2006 Report Share Posted October 14, 2006 (edited) evolution is interesting for so many years scientist have been trying to teach monkeys to do thinks - many of them did succeeded w/hard work, manage to have the monkey to ring the bell or choose a color but on the other hand see zurdarer - his not only able to turn the computer on / connect to Internet / get an hyeforum account / can even compose BS and not just any BS. BS that's high ranked Turkish governing SOB's are capable to do so BRAVO !!! your subhuman /or human like creature is learning but still you need to work on him - he still cant tell fiction from realty, when he is able to then i guess i see a Nobel prise that will be Gaven to his trainer till then *&)(^(*&*^( and your trainer Edited October 14, 2006 by JanFedayi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Takoush Posted October 14, 2006 Report Share Posted October 14, 2006 (edited) Armenians already paid with the souls of 1.5 million for the indifference of the so called civilised nations. Not taking into consideration the loss of our lands. What will France and the rest of Europe is going to pay Armenians for all of our losses? Abris Yervant; Himag achkes medar!!!! Shad djishd ou artar badasxan!!!!! Indeed very good answer Yervant!!! You have a good point man!!! Edited October 14, 2006 by Anahid Takouhi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arpa Posted October 15, 2006 Report Share Posted October 15, 2006 evolution is interesting for so many years scientist have been trying to teach monkeys to do thinks - many of them did succeeded w/hard work, manage to have the monkey to ring the bell or choose a color but on the other hand see zurdarer - his not only able to turn the computer on / connect to Internet / get an hyeforum account / can even compose BS and not just any BS. BS that's high ranked Turkish governing SOB's are capable to do so BRAVO !!! your subhuman /or human like creature is learning but still you need to work on him - he still cant tell fiction from realty, when he is able to then i guess i see a Nobel prise that will be Gaven to his trainer till then *&)(^(*&*^( and your trainer Sung to the tune of Yankee Doodle below. Hayqi doodle went to Paris, Riding on his eshek, Stuck a turkey feather in his cap, Called it erkayna-klora-khmora-tsak. :) That ugly bird has never had its feathers so ruffled. It is wasting its entire diplomatic and financial capital. Shuttling between Paris, Stockholm, Washington and all points between, running and thrashing around like a turkey(chicken) with is head cut off. All we have to do is sit back, ruffle those feathers more and watch. Any more ruffling of the feathers that ugly bird will be as “naked as a jaybird”.** That eshek has never sunk in such a quicksand before. All we have to do is sit back, kick back and watch them sink even deeper. ** What? You don’t know what a “jaybird is”. Adj. 1. naked as a jaybird - (used informally) completely unclothed bare-ass, bare-assed, in the altogether, in the buff, in the raw, peeled, stark naked, raw colloquialism - a colloquial expression; characteristic of spoken or written communication that seeks to imitate informal speech unclothed - not wearing clothing http://www.niehs.nih.gov/kids/lyrics/yankee.htm Yankee Doodle went to town A-riding on a pony Stuck a feather in his hat And called it macaroni. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zurderer Posted October 15, 2006 Report Share Posted October 15, 2006 Indeed very good answer Yervant!!! You have a good point man!!! Indeed bad answer, why do you think EU is own you some dept? Because they just watched genocide of armenians? So they did for all type of genocide.(Infact how can a genocide happen, If someone try to stop it.) BS that's high ranked Turkish governing SOB's are capable to do so Like what? I generally said my ideas(thoughs), I did not played with any facts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gamavor Posted October 16, 2006 Report Share Posted October 16, 2006 http://www.segabg.com/online/IMG/2442/0130.jpg Those are the prospective Europeans! Look at their faces. Anyone impartial, just by observing their attitude would believe in the rightousness of the French Parliament. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MosJan Posted October 16, 2006 Report Share Posted October 16, 2006 Chirac Apologized to Turkish Prime Minister 16.10.2006 13:13 GMT+04:00 Print version Send to mail In Russian In Armenian /PanARMENIAN.Net/ French President Jacques Chirac in a telephone conversation with Turkish Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan said he felt sorry that the bill penalizing the Armenian Genocide denial was approved and added he would try his best to prevent it from becoming law. According to the French leader, the adoption in 2001 of the law recognizing the events of 1915-1917 as the Armenian Genocide was sufficient for establishing the historical truth. “The discussion on criminalization of the Armenian Genocide denial is rather rhetorical than juridical,” Jacques Chirac said. At that he asserted that the Armenian Genocide recognition should be one of the conditions for EU accession. Meanwhile European Commission President José Manuel Barroso voiced anxiety over the slow process of reform in Turkey. He told BBC that Turkey will hardly become an EU member during earlier than in 15-20 years. Turkish Speaker Doubts “Chirac's Apology Genuine” 17.10.2006 14:17 GMT+04:00 Print version Send to mail In Russian In Armenian /PanARMENIAN.Net/ Bulent Arinc, the Speaker of the Turkish Parliament, has said that he does not think French President Jacques Chirac's apologetic phone call to Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan in the wake of the French Parliament's acceptance of the bill criminalizing the denial of the Armenian Genocide was "genuine." “He was not genuine,” Arinc underscored, writes Turkish Hurriyet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MosJan Posted October 16, 2006 Report Share Posted October 16, 2006 http://www.segabg.com/online/IMG/2442/0130.jpg Those are the prospective Europeans! Look at their faces. Anyone impartial, just by observing their attitude would believe in the rightousness of the French Parliament. Nudity against France? 16.10.2006 13:24 GMT+04:00 Print version Send to mail In Russian In Armenian /PanARMENIAN.Net/ Former forward of Besiktas (Istanbul football team) Pascal Nouma, who lives in Turkey at present, said he will go to Paris and undress in front of the French parliament in protest against the bill penalizing the Armenian Genocide denial. “I am ready to go to France and undress at the French parliament with a slogan “There was no genocide,” Nouma said, reported IA Regnum. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MosJan Posted October 16, 2006 Report Share Posted October 16, 2006 Every Week Turkey Will Include a French Company in Black-List 13.10.2006 18:22 GMT+04:00 Print version Send to mail In Russian In Armenian /PanARMENIAN.Net/ The Turkish Union of Consumers declared a limited boycott on French products today. A non-governmental organization engaged in examination of problems and protection of consumers' rights said the boycott will first of all refer to Total French oil company. The NGO representatives also said that in case of adoption of the bill every week the union will include a French company in the black-list. “We will explain our reaction to France in a language it will understand. The boycott will remain in force until the bill is cancelled,” the union chairman said, reports Trend news agency. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Error 404 Posted October 16, 2006 Report Share Posted October 16, 2006 Some people here claim that the new law is against the democracy and freedom of speech. I do not think that an educated person who knows the history will ever deny armenian genocide. A lot of people do not know anything about it and I don't think they will comment on it either. BUT! (BAYC) there are poeple who are very well educated financed and supported to LIE AND DENY ARMENIAN GENOCIDE. This freakin new law is against those people. Those are dirty agents of dirty turkish government to deny armenian genocide and misinform and lie the public about the history. If you want to see an example? Here follow the link and you will see what I am talking about: http://www.tallarmeniantale.com/ Now whoever was defending the free speech and democracy here please go and put your efforts on the autor of the website. I already have tried. No use. Only the law can stop criminals like this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Error 404 Posted October 16, 2006 Report Share Posted October 16, 2006 Here the "Grey Wolves" protesting in front of French Embassy: http://pics.utro.ru/utro_photos/gallery/20061016cres/7.jpg TERRORISTS FOR FREE SPEECH AND DEMOCRACY. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MosJan Posted October 17, 2006 Report Share Posted October 17, 2006 The Observer: Genocide Bill Adoption Made France Enemy of Freedom 16.10.2006 19:05 GMT+04:00 Print version Send to mail In Russian In Armenian /PanARMENIAN.Net/ British daily The Observer commented on Sunday that making denial of the Armenian Genocide a criminal offense is "wrong and bad," describing the French move as an "enemy of free speech." The daily underlined that quite apart from limiting free speech, and therefore legitimizing a desirable debate on historical questions, the French are "surely obliged to remember more distinctly, and more publicly, the collaboration of so many of their own people with the Nazi transport of Jews before starting on the business of criminalizing remoter cases of denial." The Observer also stated that the Armenian bill was designed to complicate Turkey's application to join the EU. "It is a bewildering reality that France sees Turkey's refusal to acknowledge what happened to the Armenians as an obstacle to membership, while at the same time continuing to regard its own wartime behavior as somehow irreproachable," it was added. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MosJan Posted October 17, 2006 Report Share Posted October 17, 2006 Turkish Ex-President: France Won’t Wish to Offend Important Friend like Turkey 16.10.2006 16:26 GMT+04:00 Print version Send to mail In Russian In Armenian /PanARMENIAN.Net/ The adoption of the bill penalizing the Armenian Genocide denial in France is a “great shame”, Turkish ex-President Suleyman Demirel said. “This is France’s erroneous opinion about Turkey and Turkish nation. I sharply condemn this bill and do not believe that it will be approved by the Senate and signed by the President. France will not wish to offend an important friend like Turkey but the decision by the French parliament deserves reproach. We were offended,” he said adding that the “issue demanded reaction.” “This is an international issue and Turkey has expressed its position. Our country is unanimous. Our citizens protested against the French parliament’s decision. Our people will never forget it,” he said, reports APA news agency. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MosJan Posted October 17, 2006 Report Share Posted October 17, 2006 France: Stolen Monument to Armenian Genocide Victims Not Found Yet 16.10.2006 15:08 GMT+04:00 Print version Send to mail In Russian In Armenian /PanARMENIAN.Net/ The monument to the Armenian Genocide victims stolen last week in the French town of Chaville has not been found yet. The 300-kg monument was stolen two days after the adoption of the Armenian Genocide bill. “We do not know whether it was a political deed or the thieves wanted to sell the metal,” the Mayor of Chaville Jean Levain said. The local Armenian community has organized a march and laid a wreath to the monument pedestal, reports RFE/RL. It should be noted that the monument in the value of 50 thousand euros was gifted to the town by the Armenian community in 2002 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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