MosJan Posted October 13, 2006 Report Share Posted October 13, 2006 Baku Police Dispersed Picket at French Embassy in Azerbaijan 13.10.2006 16:16 GMT+04:00 Print version Send to mail In Russian In Armenian /PanARMENIAN.Net/ On Friday the United National Front Party of Azerbaijan tried to hold a picket at the French Embassy in Baku. A group of 15 party activists were pushed from the building. Two party members were detained. Despite the pressure the activists read a resolution calling on the “Azeri population to boycott French products, on Milli Mejlis recognize the genocide of 30 thousand Algerians committed by France in 1954-1961 and refuse from the French mediation within the OSCE MG.” The resolution also calls on the Azeri government to break all the economic ties with France, reports Day-az Baku’s discontent was aroused by the bill adopted by the French parliament yesterday. The bill provides for a 45 000 euros fine and a year in prison for the denial of the Armenian Genocide. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MosJan Posted October 13, 2006 Report Share Posted October 13, 2006 French Bill on Genocide Not to Influence on Process of Turkey's Accession to EU 13.10.2006 15:20 GMT+04:00 Print version Send to mail In Russian In Armenian /PanARMENIAN.Net/ EU Commissioner for External Relations Benita Ferrero-Waldner is sure that the adoption of the bill penalizing the Armenian Genocide in France will not influence on the process of Turkey’s admission to the EU. “One thing is if something happens in France but it’s quite another matter what the EU can undertake as regards an aspirant state,” the EU Commissioner said. In her words, “the Armenian Genocide issue is from time to time raised in France where a strong Armenian community lives,” reports RFE/RL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MosJan Posted October 13, 2006 Report Share Posted October 13, 2006 Baku Calls on Turkey to Exile 70 Thousand Armenians 13.10.2006 14:04 GMT+04:00 Print version Send to mail In Russian In Armenian /PanARMENIAN.Net/ “Azerbaijan and Turkey should join against France over the adoption of the Armenian Genocide bill,” said Azeri parliamentarian Ganira *****yeva. “First, Turkey should recognize the genocide in Algeria perpetrated by France. Then Turkey should recognize the genocide committed by Armenians against Azeris in Khojaly. The economic relations with France should be reconsidered. This move by the French parliament can serve as an example for the other European states,” she said. According to *****yeva, all this will have a negative impact on Azerbaijan. “That is why we should at the level of Foreign Ministry and parliament protest against the adopted bill. Over 70 thousand Armenians illegally live and work in Turkey. The Turkish government should exile the illegal Armenian migrants and such decision will not conflict with the international law. If they speak of Genocide and take such moves against Turkey, so why have they chosen this country for living? Let them go to France or any other state that recognizes the Armenian Genocide,” she said. As for France’s being the co-chair of the OSCE Minsk Group on the Nagorno Karabakh conflict settlement, *****yeva said, “I suppose we should think of this question, since France demonstrated its position having passed such a bill. The composition of the Minsk Group should be changed or the format be expanded,” reports Day.az. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MosJan Posted October 13, 2006 Report Share Posted October 13, 2006 Adoption of French Bill on Genocide Victory of Whole Armenianhood 13.10.2006 13:52 GMT+04:00 Print version Send to mail In Russian In Armenian /PanARMENIAN.Net/ The adoption of the bill penalizing the Armenian Genocide in France is a victory for the whole Armenianhood, The California Courier editor-in-chief Harut Sasunian told a PanARMENIAN.Net reporter. In his words, the Turkish government by threats, blackmail and lies attempted to dissuade French deputies from adoption of the bill. “Turks tried to represent the issue as a taboo on freedom of speech but owing to inadmissibility of their actions, the attempts failed,” Sasunian said. Sasunian marked out three principal aspects. “First, Turkey is the single country in the world that lacks the law on freedom of speech. If anyone on Turkey dares to speak of the Armenian Genocide he is sent to prison at once. Second, this bill has nothing in common with freedom of speech. This is a means of political struggle of the Turkish government and the Armenian people. Third, France like many other states has a law providing for punishment for Holocaust denial. So why doesn’t this law infringe freedom of speech but the law on the Armenian Genocide does? These are double standards which are inadmissible. I hope that in the near future the French Senate will ratify the bill and President Chirac will sign it,” said the editor-in-chief of The California Courier. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MosJan Posted October 13, 2006 Report Share Posted October 13, 2006 Dutch Armenians Thank French Parliamentarians 13.10.2006 13:41 GMT+04:00 Print version Send to mail In Russian In Armenian /PanARMENIAN.Net/ The Federation of Armenian Organizations in the Netherlands (FAON) is glad that the French National Assembly in large majority has adopted a bill, which makes denial of the Armenian Genocide a crime, says the press release received by PanARMENIAN.Net from the FAON communication unit. Denying the holocaust has been a crime in France since 1990. “The Federation believes that with such a provision a dam is raised against denial propaganda of the Turkish government, which is painful for the Armenians. Also in the Netherlands such denial material is spread, on internet sites, in writings and also in the public debate. For victims and their surviving descendants it is cause for problems each time. On basis of the discrimination prohibition in the Criminal Code such remarks are in principle already a crime. It would be a major improvement if the Dutch legislation would make it explicitly clear that public expressions, where genocides are systematically denied with the intention to hurt or discriminate people, will be impossible in The Netherlands. The Federation hopes, therefore, that the initiative bill submitted by Mrs. Huizinga-Heringa, Member of Parliament of Christian Union faction, which foresees the punishment of the genocide denial, will be adopted by the House of Representatives. The Federation emphasizes for sake of completeness that this bill is not directed to the denials in itself, as it is suggested sometimes in the media, but to the offending or discriminating aspects of genocide denials,” the FAON statement says. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MosJan Posted October 13, 2006 Report Share Posted October 13, 2006 TURKEY MAKES DEMARCHE IN ISSUE OF ‘GENOCIDE OF ALGERIANS’ Yesterday, Turkish deputies discussed the issue of "denying the genocide of the Algerians" and submitted the relevant draft law to the sub-commission of the Turkish parliament. Chairman of the commission Kyoksal Toptan stated that the draft law contradicts with the Turkish theory that "leaves the historical issues to the historians." The deputies from the ruling party added that Turkey is a legal state and their constitution secures the freedom of speech. They will follow the example of France and the French will not be able to condemn the Turkish people for denying the Armenian Genocide. By Hakob Chakrian Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MosJan Posted October 13, 2006 Report Share Posted October 13, 2006 the "algerian genocide" thing was started by turkey after france officially recognized the Armenian genocide. Its politically motivated, not out of the goodness of the heart... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hellektor Posted October 13, 2006 Report Share Posted October 13, 2006 But It is also true, armenians have hate capacity as much(even more) as us. You can do genocide too, but you had no power, and lets hope you wont have power. I always say that although the Turks have lost their Mongol features as a result of centuries of rape, janissary recruitments, stealing of women and children and forced turkification, their Mongol brain is the sole organ that has stayed in the primitive stage of evolution. I do not call them stupid because the diabolic practic of janissary and the invention of genocide is quite an intellectual feat in a hellish sense. The difference of the Turks from human beings is the fact that they have not yet acquired the attributes human beings have come to develop in the last six million years such as shame, guilt, remorse, sympathy, compassion, honesty, modesty, sincerity, truthfulness, conscience, objectivity, self-criticism, understanding for the suffering of others, the ability to share others' pain, the ability to value achievements of civilization such as works of art, places of worship, manuscripts, cities, etc. You are incapable of seeing the pain you caused the Armenians the last thousand years. If it was not for your savage grandapes who raped and pillaged our homeland, Armenia would be an advanced state, better that Switzerland and Japan put together, with a population of at least 30 million. So how can we not be angry when the Turks not only destroyed our genofund and culture, they brazenly deny the whole thing and shamelessly blame the Armenians for what happened? And we are not capable of genocide because of our culture and civilization not because we didn't have the power. There was a time during WWI when we could have sided with the Russians and annihilated you and liberated our homeland but unfortunately the Armenians remained loyal to the Ottoman Tyranny and were exterminated as a result of their loyalty. BTW, this pulverizes the Turkish bullshit that the Armenians sided with the "enemy" and betrayed "their" "nation" killing 2.500000000000000000000000000 Turks and it was because of that they had to be "deported", right? It is also true, Our way will meet at future too.(Maybe 100 year later maybe 1000.), so why should I help armenians? because my ancestors were murderers, I wont let my children to be murdered. Of course, the murderous thief having slaughtered the landlord and sitting in their home will always be scared shitless that someday the landlord is going to evict them. And be sure and you bet your hairless Oghuz butt, when this Zionist/Anglo-Saxon Turkish phallus worship comes to an end, we’ll kick your Tatar asses back to Mongolia, the phukking hell you come from and the hell you phukking belong. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hellektor Posted October 13, 2006 Report Share Posted October 13, 2006 the "algerian genocide" thing was started by turkey after france officially recognized the Armenian genocide. Its politically motivated, not out of the goodness of the heart... Let the Algerians put the question first then we'll see it's worth spending so much time defending France or Algeria on our boards or not. This is the Turkish superiority over us. They start a bullshit and we can't stop talking about it, making us bad in the eyes of one side (Algerians defending the French in this case) or the other (condemning the French colonialism). Why can't we have 0.1% of Turkish diplomacy? The whole thing sounds much like that insignificant Kh***lu incident... Let the French and the Algerians spend their time and energy on their forums. Turkey is a poor, fuct up, dilapidation of a "state" founded on genocide, yet they have convinced (read fooled) the faggot West int o believing that they are important. Turkey is like an old and ugly prostitute that somehow manages to sell herself for an exaggerated high price... If Turkey had to cease to exist this very day, it wouldn't be missed by anybody. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gmd Posted October 13, 2006 Report Share Posted October 13, 2006 Let the Algerians put the question first then we'll see it's worth spending so much time defending France or Algeria on our boards or not. This is the Turkish superiority over us. They start a bullshit and we can't stop talking about it, making us bad in the eyes of one side (Algerians defending the French in this case) or the other (condemning the French colonialism). Why can't we have 0.1% of Turkish diplomacy? The whole thing sounds much like that insignificant Kh***lu incident... Let the French and the Algerians spend their time and energy on their forums. Turkey is a poor, fuct up, dilapidation of a "state" founded on genocide, yet they have convinced (read fooled) the faggot West int o believing that they are important. Turkey is like an old and ugly prostitute that somehow manages to sell herself for an exaggerated high price... If Turkey had to cease to exist this very day, it wouldn't be missed by anybody. I liked this alot. Really laughed at the prostitue analogy. I do disagree though if Turkey ceased to exist that day would be commemorated as a holiday in all former ottoOrc conquered nations. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Takoush Posted October 13, 2006 Report Share Posted October 13, 2006 Normally when someone presents an argument, the burden of proof and/or providing 'sources' lies upon that person - not others - to verify facts. That said, Talaat being a jew or otherwise is entirely irrelevant here. thread. Though it is true that when one presents an argument, the burden of proof to providing sources lies upon that person; but in this case I wasn't doubting the validity of it; the other person was. And yes we have all drifted from the subject matter of the thread. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Takoush Posted October 13, 2006 Report Share Posted October 13, 2006 (edited) the "algerian genocide" thing was started by turkey after france officially recognized the Armenian genocide. Its politically motivated, not out of the goodness of the heart... Yeah really Movses jan, true true. They are frustrated animals the turkish gov't. and want to find a blame, any blame. Just like some politicians for the presidency; they want to discredit the other party any which way they can; whether it has any validity or not. This is only politically motivated act on the part of turkey. Edited October 13, 2006 by Anahid Takouhi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zurderer Posted October 13, 2006 Report Share Posted October 13, 2006 (edited) They thought to protect turkey? against who? are you for real??? Armenians were living in turkey as citizens..... they were not in a position or the intent at the time to fight against turkey or overturn the then government. They were peacefully and obediently living in turkey paying high very high taxes and plus being mugged by some turks and kurds too. so who tried to kill Patisah? turks and kurds? They tried to protect their country against all people, It is not important If they are turk or not, and armenians are not obedient. I am sure you will say majority of armenians have no relation with politics, but this is true for Turks too. So It is not a good defence. What more do you want in your brain to call a racist a racist? More than 2+ million Armenians were killed and massacred on the spot. children, women and old people were either raped tortured then were dumped in huge ditches, turkish man made graves then burned on the spot. Or they were shoved in a Church or a school or any kind of large governmental buildings and put on fire. Towards the end of 1916 your ittihadist talaat was faxing the governor of Alleppo to find out from him as to how many Armenians are killed even in Alleppo and or in nearby towns and in cities. Talaat was faxing him every day to know of this. Your darling talaat wanted to know this BECAUSE HE WANTED TO SEE THE END OF ALL THE ARMENIANS. HE WANTED THE WHOLE NATIONALITY EXTRACTED AND TAKEN AWAY FROM THE FACE OF THE EARTH. THAT IS A GENOCIDE. Nothing short of that. Don't kid yourself, don't talk into yourself and don't try to find excuses comparing it with the French govenrment and the Algiers. Maybe you should give some proof instead of words. even armenians talk about 1.5 million, now you are talking more than 2 million. So how many armenians survived after 1914? and how many eastern anatolia armenians we have now? I am sure more than 3-4 million(a conservative guess) armenian dont not comes from 500.000 surviver. by the way, how many armenian is asimilated? Why the sudden talk about the French government? Because the French govenrment is honest, sincere and had enough of the likes of you and the turks manipulating the truth about your ittihadists and your turkey trying to conceal the facts that your turkey committed a Genode? Yes, the French government is absolutely right and today's French government has all the respect and love of our people including and especially myself. It is sad you are not living in real world. French goverment is not supporting this law. (weird?) And this law is not voted because of armenian genocide, and armenians sufference, but armenian votes.(Even French newspaper talk about this.) So what you gain is a political gain, and Infact I am not sure at long run It will benefit armenians. Just guess, what will happen If some people goes to jail because of this law. Anyway, Instead of thinking about your ancestors, you should began to think yourself. You are not living in real world. We can say it and we can say it loud and clear the truth which prevails. The ittihadists were just as bad as the nazi germany. They sure have followed and followed it through for Armenians to vanish from the face of the earth. The only Armenians that were spared; are the ones that the American orhphanage took them aboard or a great many of them being strong and persistent to survive, they have survived without food and without water for days and months walking into the Arabian deserts. A great many survivors through the deserts were taken to the cave at Shadaddie in the Syrian desert, they were thrown in it then put on fire and flames, to kill the remainder of the Armenian race. Infact you are wrong, a lot armenian survived in Turkey also, and It has no relation with armenian race. Converted armenians also survived. Nazis dont give any chance to jews, they chased and killed them even out of their land. If Armenians lost wars or not is not the issue here. The issue here is your ittihadists "intent" to murder a whole nation. The Armenian nation. That is a Genocide. Turkey and you should admit the truth and the facts. why? Even I accept your ideas about armenian genocide, why should Turkey admit truth and the facts? why should we enarm armenians? Because you like us much? why should I give weapon to my enemy?(and absolute you are.) As I said before, I care for your ancestors, They deserve something(justice, unfortunately they did not get justice), You deserve absolutely nothing. Why should I care for some people who hate my people? If It is necassary to lie, I will continue to lie for my nation. Infact isnt diplomacy means lie for nation. Personally I am not guilty, and you are not murdered, so I own you nothing. My ancestors were guilty, and your ancestors were murdered. It is between them, dont try to sell your ancestor sufference(not your sufference, you did not suffer because of genocide), because I wont buy it. Although we have lost some wars and gained others; but I very much doubt if any other nationality such as the ones that you have just mentioned, the (Arabs, Persians, Russians, or the Greeks) would have committed the great crimes of the first Genocide of the twentieth century. Yeah genocide is discovered by Turks. the intent was to protect turkey? by whiping out a nation? so whats your excuse? you were trying to protect your citisens? tell that to the 1.5 million armenians, or the 1 million assyrians, or the 800 000 greeks, or the syriacs, pontians, chaldeans...what do you have to say to all these people? whos lives and lands youv destroyed! I will say them, what you will say to algerians. how could you ignore the seriousness of this event! how could you stand here today and say it never happened? young turks never had the intent to kill armenians? so where does their fregin party slogan come in?! "turkey for the turks", where does this fit in?! if thats not a clear statement i dont know what is! I said, intent is a vague word. You cannot say their aim was to kill all armenians, they were not racist like germans. It is not anti-armenian campaign.(Young turks killed every type of people, Turkish, kurdish, greek,arab ext ext., They were absolute cruel, but not racist.) But armenians, and others died. I said, even He did not intent to kill all armenians, absolute he genocided armenians. Sorry I wont accept an idea just because you say this. You cannot read talat intent, nor I. does not matter if it becomes a law or not, the noise has been made, this was on major news networks around the world. It may sound bad, but this is a great marketing plot for our cause Indeed so world now knows, France is supported a law because of armenian votes. The fight here is political - and that kind of game can get messy lest a noble cause get mired in the sickness of politics. exactly,Infact armenian genocide fight is always political, but until now world never saw political face of discussion. Now They see it. the "algerian genocide" thing was started by turkey after france officially recognized the Armenian genocide. Its politically motivated, not out of the goodness of the heart... true,but after all french motivation is also political.(Armenian votes.) indeed i was right. but one thing i am not certain of...are you turkish or a kurd? i dunno, somewhere i read that you were a kurd. if so, il say what i have to say when u answer... I am turk. (Maybe an asimilated son of some greek ancestor, but absolute Turk.) So now you can swear me. Edited October 13, 2006 by zurderer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yervant1 Posted October 13, 2006 Report Share Posted October 13, 2006 Personally I am not guilty, and you are not murdered, so I own you nothing. My ancestors were guilty, and your ancestors were murdered. It is between them, dont try to sell your ancestor sufference(not your sufference, you did not suffer because of genocide), because I wont buy it. The quote of the century, this moron should have received the nobel prize for this not Orhan Pamuk. Please, please guys don't waste your time and energy on this braindead zurdeve. How can you dialogue with someone who doesn't see the death of your grandparents, uncles and aunts as suffering to you. From this point on whoever responds to this piece of trash that he is, not any better. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zurderer Posted October 13, 2006 Report Share Posted October 13, 2006 The quote of the century, this moron should have received the nobel prize for this not Orhan Pamuk. Please, please guys don't waste your time and energy on this braindead zurdeve. How can you dialogue with someone who doesn't see the death of your grandparents, uncles and aunts as suffering to you. From this point on whoever responds to this piece of trash that he is, not any better. how did you effected from this death? do you think we should punish someone who have a murderer grandfather? or do you think we should give someone who lost his grandfather. Sorry as I said before, It is not you who exiled, It is not you who is killed, injustice did not happened to you. You cannot inherit sufference of your grandfathers.It is stupidy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gmd Posted October 13, 2006 Report Share Posted October 13, 2006 The quote of the century, this moron should have received the nobel prize for this not Orhan Pamuk. Please, please guys don't waste your time and energy on this braindead zurdeve. How can you dialogue with someone who doesn't see the death of your grandparents, uncles and aunts as suffering to you. From this point on whoever responds to this piece of trash that he is, not any better. you are right. I could not even read what it wrote. I am glad you summed it up for me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zartonk Posted October 13, 2006 Report Share Posted October 13, 2006 This is the Turkish superiority over us. They start a bullshit and we can't stop talking about it, making us bad in the eyes of one side (Algerians defending the French in this case) or the other (condemning the French colonialism). Why can't we have 0.1% of Turkish diplomacy? The whole thing sounds much like that insignificant Kh***lu incident... Let the French and the Algerians spend their time and energy on their forums. Thank you. Now look at this thread again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DominO123 Posted October 13, 2006 Report Share Posted October 13, 2006 Calm down children... First of all freedom of speech is a priveledge that civilised people extend to everyone - no matter how misguided and/or ignorant. People should be free to express their opinions in public unless their manner of expression is abusive or infringes upon the rights of others. In a case like this, if a state chooses to make denial of the jewish holocaust a crime, than denial of the AG should also be a crime. In my personal opinion, laws like this should be unneccessary - evidence supporting the historical fact of genocide is so strong, that denialists by default, have very little credibility. The fight here is political - and that kind of game can get messy lest a noble cause get mired in the sickness of politics. I don't see how two wrong make it right. Insteed of creating laws supressing freedom of thoughts, people should vote to redraw such laws which already exist like those regarding the shoah. This is not only about freedom of speech, its worst than that it is against freedom of thought and goes against the UN universal declaration of human rights, France is doing what Turkey has done for years. I hope that this law will never pass, nothing good could come from it. Thoughts evolve when they are vehiculated, discussed, debated. It is like isolating a specy and expecting it to evolve. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Error 404 Posted October 13, 2006 Report Share Posted October 13, 2006 I don't see how two wrong make it right. Insteed of creating laws supressing freedom of thoughts, people should vote to redraw such laws which already exist like those regarding the shoah. This is not only about freedom of speech, its worst than that it is against freedom of thought and goes against the UN universal declaration of human rights, France is doing what Turkey has done for years. I hope that this law will never pass, nothing good could come from it. Thoughts evolve when they are vehiculated, discussed, debated. It is like isolating a specy and expecting it to evolve. Here we go again. Another zurderer... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Takoush Posted October 14, 2006 Report Share Posted October 14, 2006 The quote of the century, this moron should have received the nobel prize for this not Orhan Pamuk. Please, please guys don't waste your time and energy on this braindead zurdeve. How can you dialogue with someone who doesn't see the death of your grandparents, uncles and aunts as suffering to you. From this point on whoever responds to this piece of trash that he is, not any better. Yervant jan; I couldn't agree with you more! You said it all bud, all this idiot gives is absolute inhumanity talks and the utmost stupidity. You are right!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gamavor Posted October 14, 2006 Report Share Posted October 14, 2006 I was reading the European press and was amazed how amateurish (especially British press) responds to the voting in the French parliament. You can observe usage of any possible word but not Genocide. The most intimidating for the British journalists part of the law is that it equals the Armenian genocide with the Holocaust of the Jews. They find it highly "distasteful" to deny the Holocaust, while other "tragedies" should merely be remembered. Blah, Blah, Blah of this sort to the point of onanism and at the end again the banality refrain - history should be left to historians. No Sir! Facts of the history are the job of historians. Crimes against humanity are for the politicians and jurists. If Turkey gets in Europe just like that, it means that in Europe it is OK to rob, steal, rape, and kill. Not only that, but on top of it, it is OK to deny it and to blame the victim for the crime. Another point of great distress for Anglo-Saxons is that it is ironic how France the country of Voltaire, the fears defender of the free speech, acts so childish. The great thinker and writer Voltaire, indeed was not only fears defender of the free speech, but also a great friend to the Ottoman Empire. He naively believed that the Ottomans are exactly what Europe needs. New morality and fresh blood. However just before the end of his earthly days he wrote to Ekaterina the Great - Empress of Whole Russia: "I would like to ask the Russian people a favor, - please drive back all the Turks to the land they came from." Do you think Voltaire had an idea how his quest for freedom of speech would be used by the Turks? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Takoush Posted October 14, 2006 Report Share Posted October 14, 2006 (edited) Gams jan; On your last paragraph; that's why Voltaire at the end of his earthly days has asked the empress of Russia to send back the turks to where they came from [MONGOLIA] gam tejoxk. Edited October 14, 2006 by Anahid Takouhi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MosJan Posted October 14, 2006 Report Share Posted October 14, 2006 MESROP MOUTAFIAN AND HRANT DINK ON FRENCH BILL ON DENIAL OF ARMENIAN GENOCIDE According to Turkish Milliet newspaper, Hrant Dink, editor-in-chief of Agos, stated that after the adoption of the French bill on the Armenian Genocide Turkey appeared in more beneficial position that Armenia. He explained this by the fact that the international community had always considered the Armenians as victims in this issue, while at present; the Turks have occupied this favorable position. At the same time, Dink stated that the adoption of the French bill was a shame from the viewpoint of the freedom of speech. According to the Turkish newspaper, Mesrop Moutafian, Patriarch of Constantinople, stated that the French bill made great harm to the tense Armenian-Turkish relations. He added that the bill is anti-democratic, as it hinders the right of the freedom of speech. Besides, Moutafian said that the Armenian residents of Turkey follow the developments with concern and expect pressures from the Turks after the adoption of the abovementioned bill. In his turn, Famous Turkish writer Elif Safak said in the interview to the French Le Monde, that the adoption of the bill would not contribute to the recognition of the historical issue (the Armenian genocide). At the same time, he added that that the Turks should share the grief of the Armenian people, respect that and get along with the past. He expressed hope that the Turks are able to discuss the mistake committed by their ancestors. By Hakob Chakrian Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zurderer Posted October 14, 2006 Report Share Posted October 14, 2006 Yervant jan; I couldn't agree with you more! You said it all bud, all this idiot gives is absolute inhumanity talks and the utmost stupidity. You are right!!!! Realy but you still did not show me how did you inherit sufference of your ancestor. Anyway I will show you how you are trying to sell your ancestors sufference. Lets remember what Sarkosky(so Devecian) want erdogan for stoping new law.(how can they dare to argue about this holy law. ) 1- Turkey should open borders to ROA.This is most disgusting wish I ever saw, we are talking about a genocide, how can you bargain genocide with some trade. Indeed this is nothing than selling sufference. You want trade with Turkey, and you use your ancestors sufference for forcing Turkey to trade. This trade issue is absolutely no relation with armenian genocide. 2- Turkey should abolish 301. Well this is an acceptable term except, you cannot show someone way, when you are doing absolutely what he is doing. 3- committee which discuss armenian genocide, should not only consist historians but also politicians. I dont know what can politicians add a historic discussion. why they want politicians? because historians will not see genocide as politic tool. Or maybe they fear, they can show any proof for armenian genocide? hmmm. Sorry as I said before(and thank Turkey have same idea with me.), dont sell your ancestors sufference, because we will not buy it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Armenak Posted October 14, 2006 Report Share Posted October 14, 2006 Shut up zurderer. This Turk is annoying on so many levels. It's not only his broken English; he makes statements he knows will infuriate most of the members here. Is asserting yourself in a place you are most not welcome a typical Turkish custom? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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